WCT: Aug 10-14, 2009

[Mr_Rose]

Ok I have to ask this question only because I've seen it used quite abit.  What is a "shipper"?

The term "shipping" is, somewhat perversely, derived from the word "relationship" in the sense that the 'shipper' (a person who "'ships") conjures a romantic relationship between two or more characters in a fictional work and declares that this pairing (or more) is the the only appropriate relationship for the participants to be involved in, regardless of the established canon of the work, the authors directly stated intent and all logic.

Some "shippers" do go on to become "ficcers", or writers of fan-fiction (derivative works of fiction based [generally rather loosely] on an existing work), but that is not to say that all shippers are ficcers or that all ficcers are shippers, though the intersection between the two groups is quite large.

[Random832]

AFAIK, shippers are those sick and depraved people , who take random two (usually both male) chars, and then disgustingly fantasize about them engaging in intercourse and indeed call it fanfic

Fix'd.The QC situation is an anomaly.

[danman]

AFAIK, shippers are those sick and depraved people , who take random two (usually both male) chars, and then disgustingly fantasize about them engaging in intercourse and indeed call it fanfic

Fix'd.The QC situation is an anomaly.

Very true, i forgot about the sickos writing this kind of rubbish about the Troika from Buffy the vampire slayer(one of the few US series i like very much) . Blech!

[Border Reiver]

At least Marigold is revealing hereto unknown talents.

[innermoppet]

Ok I have to ask this question only because I've seen it used quite abit.  What is a "shipper"?

AFAIK, shippers are those sick and depraved people , who take random two (usually both female ) chars, and then disgustingly fantasize about them engaging in intercourse and indeed call it fanfic

UPDATE: FIX'D !!!

I don't consider shippers or fanfic writers "depraved" or disgusting.  That's pretty judgmental and rude.  Many people fantasize about fictional characters from books and movies and yes even cartoons. The only difference is that fanfic gets written down. There is plenty of traditional fiction (as well as porn) created by taking already established characters and putting them in new settings and giving them new relationships where they *GASP* have sex!

There is nothing wrong with some good old kinky fantasizing. Jeph never seems to have issues with other artists taking his characters to some very graphic and kinky places.  The problem comes when idiots with too much free time won't give it a rest and have to let all of us know their deep dark fantasies in an inappropriate forum. I wish more of them would just write some fanfic, get it out of their systems and move on. That's what I do.

Oh and I vote "Mar-Mar" because it's adorably gag inducing.

[Is it cold in here?]

It has the drawback of sounding like a ship name for her and Marten. Pity, because the others all seemed kind of lame. Maybe "Stinkypants"? But that's too much like high school Dora.

"Marigeek".

[celticgeek]

I like Marigeek. 

[Juniper Jade]

HAHA! Faye can burp like a champ, and such perfect timing! Her face... oh goodness, I lol'd hard. I like Mari for a nickname but at the same time Marigold is such a pretty name! It shouldn't be shortened.

[danman]

I don't consider shippers or fanfic writers "depraved" or disgusting.  That's pretty judgmental and rude.  Many people fantasize about fictional characters from books and movies and yes even cartoons. The only difference is that fanfic gets written down. There is plenty of traditional fiction (as well as porn) created by taking already established characters and putting them in new settings and giving them new relationships where they *GASP* have sex!

Well , i do. Firstly , 'judgmental' is justly one of the entries in the "Dictionary of Bullshit" , and secondly, there are few ruder things possible on a forum than what said shippers do here.
Yes, many people do have such fantasies, and usually it is harmless, but it is very different to exposing it to public. At best such posts here inane , at worst disgusting.  I do not care  much , they are easy to skip, and i am not sensitive but such exhibitionism is probably not a good sign. I mean, i do consider Faye attractive, but it does not compel me to invent ways she could be coupled with random other chars.



+1 Marigeek is a good nick

[jonarus_drakus]

Oh dear... Faye -vs- Marigold burping contest... this can not end well...

[Dliessmgg]

I vote Mar-bear. It has a bear! Everything's awesomer with bears.

[LTK]

Marigeek is golden.

[Is it cold in here?]

Or shorten the name from the front and call her 'gold.

[LTK]

Or 'Goldilocks'. 

[Zombiedude]

AFAIK,

What

[Watched Pot]

Marigold's nickname (or Faye's suggestions for it) have sort of been giving me a headache. 'Round these parts, "Marigold" is pronounced with the first syllable identical to the first syllable of "marinate". Using this pronunciation, "Mar Mar" and "Mar Bear" don't exactly roll of the tongue. Due to regional differences in the distinction (or lack thereof) between the pronunciations of Mary, marry, and merry, I'm thinking that in New England maybe the first syllable of "Marigold" rhymes with "bear", making Faye's suggestions much more palatable. But even then, Faye is from Georgia, so maybe that accent is coming into play. On the other hand, she's made efforts in the past to hide her southern accent, so it could still be the New England influence........but it still comes out sometimes when she's been drinking, as she is now.....

Whatever. This over-analysis has been brought to you by Watched Pot: I Will Never Boil.

[Random832]

'Round these parts, "Marigold" is pronounced with the first syllable identical to the first syllable of "marinate". Using this pronunciation, "Mar Mar" and "Mar Bear" don't exactly roll of the tongue. Due to regional differences in the distinction (or lack thereof) between the pronunciations of Mary, marry, and merry, I'm thinking that in New England maybe the first syllable of "Marigold" rhymes with "bear"

'Round these parts, the first syllable of "marinate" does, in fact, rhyme with "bear", so you're going to have to explain in more detail.

In particular, which one of the mary/marry/merry vowels [which I know about at least academically] do you envision Marigold (and "marinate") to contain, and which do you suppose "bear" has?

[LTK]

Isn't Marigold just pronounced like Mary (with a shorter A) and Gold put together?

[Watched Pot]

'Round these parts, the first syllable of "marinate" does, in fact, rhyme with "bear", so you're going to have to explain in more detail.

Hmmm....in retrospect that should have been obvious. I'm not much of a linguist, but I'll do my best to explain--I even found a sound file to help! Where I'm from (near Allentown, PA) Mary and merry are pronounced almost identically, and in these two words Mar/mer would in fact rhyme with 'bear'. Marry is pronounced differently, and this is the "mar" used in Marigold (and marinate). Maybe I should just go to the sound file:

http://www.alt-usage-english.org/mmm_rf.wav

The speaker says "Mary, dear, make me merry. Say you'll marry me," using the pronunciations to which I am most accustomed. I would say "Marigold" using the 'mar' sound the way it is pronounced in 'marry' in that sound clip--it doesn't rhyme with 'bear', and actually makes it a bit awkward to say "Mar Bear" or "Mar Mar".

[H0b0K!n9]

Isn't Marigold just pronounced like Mary (with a shorter A) and Gold put together?

That's how I pronounce it. I figured that was the only way to say it.....apparently I was mistaken....

[Juniper Jade]

Isn't Marigold just pronounced like Mary (with a shorter A) and Gold put together?

That's how I pronounce it. I figured that was the only way to say it.....apparently I was mistaken....

I guess I was too since thats how I was saying it.

[ysth]

Tonight:  Faye and Sven will both be bummed out by the death of Les Paul and get together to mutually commiserate, etc.

[Kugai]

]AFAIK, shippers are those sick and depraved people , who take random two (usually both female ) chars, and then disgustingly fantasize about them engaging in intercourse and indeed call it fanfic

UPDATE: FIX'D !!!

You seek understanding
Then listen to the music, not the song

[Juniper Jade]

Marten's idea is actually a really good one and I want to do it.

RIP Les Paul <3

[Kugai]

Marten Reed, Genius at work  

[Econoline]

"Sorry for the out-of-continuity comic" ????????????

I would've been seriously bummed if Jeph had NOT devoted the comic to Les Paul today. (The only question was whether the character doing the tribute would be Marten or Sven--or both.)

Vaya Con Dios, Mr. Paul.

[voyou]

the 'shipper' (a person who "'ships") conjures a romantic relationship between two or more characters in a fictional work

Though the "fictional work" part is optional.

[Delirium]

Why the FUthBRRGG^^&#-GENERAL PROTECTION FAULT AT $0CFF3E

[Mr_Rose]

the 'shipper' (a person who "'ships") conjures a romantic relationship between two or more characters in a fictional work

Though the "fictional work" part is optional.

I prefer to call those people "stalkers."

[vettechinohio]

I have been in microbreweries where they do this (four samples of various beers, about 250 ml each) and offer a little sheet telling about each of the drinks in the batch.  Kind of a fun way to check out new beers. 

The Buckeye Beer Engine, which is my new favorite food and alcohol hot spot, does this. As a newbie to all things beer related, it makes trying out the hard ciders and fruit beers easier (I hate bitterness so I'm starting light, heh). The first time there we got two samples, which were roughly 250ml glasses, filled to the top, and charged a few bucks each, but after that when we ask for a sample we get about a quarter of that and they never charged us. They have an on tap sheet that lists the type (cider, IPA, lambic, fruit beer, etc.) alcohol by content and bitterness, as well as a short description of ingredients and flavors. And you can't beat them for a burger or fried pickles. Mmnm, I may have to go there tonight...

[SleeperCylon]

Les Paul was like Alexander Graham Bell?  You mean somebody else invented all that stuff and he bogarted the credit by getting the patent through faster?

[Juniper Jade]

"Sorry for the out-of-continuity comic"

I would've been seriously bummed if Jeph had NOT devoted the comic to Les Paul today. (The only question was whether the character doing the tribute would be Marten or Sven--or both.)

Vaya Con Dios, Mr. Paul.

True dat. After I learned of Les Paul's death and sat around thinking about him, I wondered what sort of tribute comic Jeph would make. It just seemed obvious he would.

[Zombiedude]

Les Paul was like Alexander Graham Bell?  You mean somebody else invented all that stuff and he bogarted the credit by getting the patent through faster?

No

[H0b0K!n9]

I'm glad for the deviation. I was totally bummed when I found out Les Paul died....

[nichidani]

i always assumed 'mar-bear' was pronounced like 'mare-bear', making it cute.

even 'mar-mar' would be 'mare-mare', which deviates it from dora and marten's babytalk, in that i assumed their's was 'mar', etc.

and i am a georgia girl myself, and if 'mar-bear' were pronounced unlike 'mare-bear', it would NOT rhyme just because of the accent, damnit. we don't pronounce 'bear' like 'bar' here.

oh and, i vote 'mar-bear'!

[SigPig]

Ahhh nicknames.  I'll go with Mari mostly cause I Knew a girl with that name.  Hmm I must be getting sentimental in my old age. 

[Shiaar]

Les Paul was like Alexander Graham Bell?  You mean somebody else invented all that stuff and he bogarted the credit by getting the patent through faster?

No

He was talking shit about Alexander Graham Bell, not Les Paul.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Meucci

[Zombiedude]

I knew that.

[The Duke]

I vote Mar-bear. It has a bear! Everything's awesomer with bears.

I just spent hours on TVTropes because you linked to it.

I can't decide if that's a good thing or not.

[chrisa1]

Thanks for the Les Paul tribute. Another of the great ones is gone, though his works will live on.

Despite the "progress" of our times, I've always felt that all the progress since the mid-1900's is entirely due to geniuses like Edison and Einstein, and subsidiarily from people like Les Paul, who created ingenious tools based on the early great discoveries. Has anyone in the post-Boomer generation brought any significant contributions to the table?

[Jimor]

Well, there's this guy who put a treadmill on wheels so people could run outside.

[Dliessmgg]

I vote Mar-bear. It has a bear! Everything's awesomer with bears.

I just spent hours on TVTropes because you linked to it.

I can't decide if that's a good thing or not.

It's the only purpose of linking to TVTropes.

[Zombiedude]

I spent 5 minutes on there. Boring

[ysth]

I just spent hours on TVTropes because you linked to it.

I can't decide if that's a good thing or not.

The effect has been observed before.

[giant_bug]

When did drunk-Faye lose her Southern accent?

[Dliessmgg]

There's not much space for an accent in four sentences.

The effect has been observed before.

"It's really good when I can just link to TV Tropes, because then I know you'll have hours of reading without me having to do anything else."

Edit: Damn. I tvtropes-trapped myself.

[nichidani]

When did drunk-Faye lose her Southern accent?

i think its just kind of assumed at this point.

[ModernRonin]

> Has anyone in the post-Boomer generation brought any significant contributions to the table?

"The transistor is often cited as being one of the greatest achievements in the 20th century, and some consider it one of the most important technological breakthroughs in human history."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor

Wasn't even discovered until '47, and integrated circuits weren't being made in any significant quantity until the 1970's. The Interbutt didn't really come its its own until the early 1990's.

And 15 years later, we have the webcomic QuestionableContent. ;]

[bhtooefr]

Still, even the foundations for the Internet would have been laid by boomers...

That said, a huge number of non-boomers won't have had a chance yet to bring a significant contribution to the table.

First off, the US census bureau defines a boomer as anyone born from 1946 to 1964. That's a huge range, and it means the oldest non-boomers are 45.

Second, everyone else got the low-hanging fruit a long time ago. There's certainly room to bring stuff to the table, but it'll be harder to do.

[chrisa1]

Still, even the foundations for the Internet would have been laid by boomers...

That said, a huge number of non-boomers won't have had a chance yet to bring a significant contribution to the table [...] the oldest non-boomers are 45.

Second, everyone else got the low-hanging fruit a long time ago. There's certainly room to bring stuff to the table, but it'll be harder to do.

Not sure about 'low-hanging fruit'. Principles of electro-magnetism, and much of electronic paraphernalia into the latter 1900's, were non-trivial things to discover or invent.

I've always approached the issue from my background in artistic expression (music in particular). There's a quote I once heard, though I can't remember the attribution, that says something like: The great banquet of music ended in the early 1900's (post-Romanticism). Now in our age, we are the mice after the banquet, making what we can of the leftover crumbs.