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« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2009, 03:22:58 AM »

I don't think I've ever heard that record so Huh
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« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2009, 07:59:51 AM »

Does the review specify which generation? I mean I'm sure there's going to be an early-twenty-first-century dance music revival a few decades from now.
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« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2009, 09:13:52 AM »

Since I don't think I've ever actually listened to that record when not playing Carcassonne I don't think it's my generation. Don't get me wrong, it's a great board game and all, but I am pretty sure it hasn't been the fun highlight of this decade.
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« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2009, 02:20:56 PM »

Guys, I'm sorry but you weren't doing fun correctly in this decade. Better luck next year, I guess?
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« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2009, 02:30:14 PM »

Does the review specify which generation? I mean I'm sure there's going to be an early-twenty-first-century dance music revival a few decades from now.
I thought Daft Punk-derivative Electro House was already a thing.

Honestly, I think the list is pretty boring and from the standpoint of someone who really loves electronic music it feels staid. It seems like the rock and pop albums on the list sort of serve to impress upon the reader the diversity of those genres, highlighting some albums that didn't exactly take the world by storm when they came out. But looking for electronic music it's peculiarly zeitgeist-y. Aside from maybe Third from Portishead every electronic album is one that announced its niche to the world. Daft Punk's up there with Electro House, I knew Burial would be there representing dubstep, 2 Many DJs is there. It's pretty cursory. Which is to say, I echo Brett's sentiment that this list is made from a certain perspective, with interesting genres of music left at the margins.
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« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2009, 04:38:19 PM »

10. The Avalances - Since I Left You
9. Panda Bear - Person Pitch
8. Sigur Ros - Agaetis Byrjun
7. The Strokes - Is This It?
6. Modest Mouse - The Moon and Antarctica
5. Jay-Z - The Blueprint
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1. Radiohead - Kid A

I think it's funny that 8 of the Top 10 are from 2000 or 2001*.  I suspect that says something about the way the internet has changed the rate and depth of music lovers' audio consumption.  

Back in the beginning of the decade, file sharing was just starting to make an impact on music distribution outside of college campuses, and there weren’t many well-known sources of record reviews (only dead-tree mags like Rolling Stone, etc. or the spearhead online reviewers like Pitchfork).  There were still relatively few tastemakers who were setting musical trends and not a whole lot of ways that people could hear and share more obscure music.  

Contrast with today, where anyone can easily seek out dozens of review sites catering to a range of specific tastes, and have practically immediate access to any of that music through file-sharing sites.  I think what you're seeing in that list is a breakdown of coherent musical zeitgeists near the beginning of the decade.  Pre-2002, the "good" albums were well agreed-upon, at least so much so that they came out on top of Pitchfork's aggregate scoring system.  Post-2002, individual tastes were given the freedom to splinter so much that only two albums, Funeral and Person Pitch, had wide enough consensus to make it into the Top 10 of the 00’s.


*I'm counting Yankee Hotel Foxtrot as an ‘01 album because that’s when the band put it up on the internet.  Albums #11, 12 and 13 are also from 2000 or 2001.
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« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2009, 04:55:56 PM »

I literally had that exact same thought process when I saw the dates of the top 10.
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« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2009, 05:07:34 PM »

Only problem I actually have with the list is A Ghost is Born not even being on it.

Otherwise, decent p4k list.
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« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2009, 06:30:47 PM »

Also come on guys I bought Is This It when it first came out but is it really that good?
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« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2009, 07:24:46 PM »

Yeah it is.
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« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2009, 08:50:50 PM »

It's not.
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« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2009, 08:51:35 PM »

It's really not that good at all.
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« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2009, 09:04:52 PM »

It's pretty okay.
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« Reply #63 on: October 05, 2009, 12:18:46 AM »

I am neither for or against Is This It.
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« Reply #64 on: October 05, 2009, 04:06:45 AM »

List threads are so funny with everyone thinking their opinions are relevant to other people's opinions. t-rex!
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« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2009, 05:20:52 AM »

Well someone's feeling superior today.
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« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2009, 07:41:00 AM »

Anyone else notice how there's not a single British Sea Power album on this list? Anyone else got a problem with that?
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« Reply #67 on: October 05, 2009, 08:47:34 AM »

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Daft Punk at number three when they gave it a 6.4.
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« Reply #68 on: October 05, 2009, 09:02:27 AM »

Anyone else notice how there's not a single British Sea Power album on this list? Anyone else got a problem with that?

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« Reply #69 on: October 05, 2009, 05:45:24 PM »

I give Pitchfork's list a 6.3, and their ability to pretend that they have broad musical taste a 2.

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« Reply #70 on: October 05, 2009, 11:29:33 PM »

I gave that joke 6.8 when it was on The Onion
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« Reply #71 on: October 06, 2009, 04:42:48 AM »

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« Reply #72 on: October 06, 2009, 05:15:11 AM »

Well someone's feeling superior today.

Yeah I had a good day!  grin

It's just hilarious that people think a list of opinions is 'wrong'. Its even more hilarious in those voting list threads.
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« Reply #73 on: October 06, 2009, 09:02:50 AM »

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« Reply #74 on: October 06, 2009, 12:19:23 PM »

Only problem I actually have with the list is A Ghost is Born not even being on it.

Otherwise, decent p4k list.

If that made my list, it'd have every single other Wilco album wayyyyy ahead of it.
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« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2009, 02:51:54 PM »

even Sky Blue Sky? or the new record?
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« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2009, 08:05:46 PM »

Only AGIB, YHF, Sky Blue Sky, and Wilco: The Album, are this decade.

Of those 4, only two have any place on an albums of the decade list.

AGIB should have been in the 20's or something.

Also Exploding Hearts should have been higher.
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« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2009, 08:13:14 PM »

Did you like the self-titled one? I never heard it but a lot of people who were 'done' with Wilco said they thought it was their best record aside from YHF.
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« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2009, 08:24:50 PM »

AGIB is better but the self-titled is a huge improvement over Sky Blue Sky.
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« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2009, 11:23:49 PM »

Sku Blue Sky, one of the best Eagles records of the decade?!
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« Reply #80 on: October 07, 2009, 12:34:13 AM »

I dunno, I like the record The Eagles made a fair bit.
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« Reply #81 on: October 07, 2009, 07:09:47 AM »

I'm going to ignore all your Wilco talk for a moment because I just cannot get into them. But regarding Pitchfork's list, I would like to say that if I had been making the list I would have included the Silver Jews' Bright Flight (2001) on there somewhere. For some reason it's the Silver Jews album that always flies under the radar, but I think it's their best outside American Water. It's a fantastic collection of songs and in the middle of it there's "I Remember Me", which has to be one of the most heartbreaking and beautiful songs of the decade.

So there.
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« Reply #82 on: October 07, 2009, 08:08:42 AM »

That list has made me realise why I don't read Pitchfork. I don't think one single record on there would make my top ten.

As for the Hip Hop, it always annoys me that publications which should champion new & exciting music seem to drop the ball when it comes to a huge number of genres.

(My statement is general to avoid using the dreaded "I" word)
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« Reply #83 on: October 07, 2009, 09:03:42 AM »

I am curious to see your top ten
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« Reply #84 on: October 07, 2009, 09:39:41 AM »

even Sky Blue Sky? or the new record?

Yes, Emilio. I'm also apparently one of those very small minority of people that think Summerteeth was awesome.
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« Reply #85 on: October 07, 2009, 11:45:51 AM »

Everyone loves Summerteeth, it is a great record.
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« Reply #86 on: October 07, 2009, 01:44:19 PM »

Summerteeth was 99 thought, wasn't it?
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« Reply #87 on: October 07, 2009, 02:58:16 PM »

definitely not in the 00s
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« Reply #88 on: October 07, 2009, 03:10:28 PM »

I'm going to ignore all your Wilco talk for a moment because I just cannot get into them. But regarding Pitchfork's list, I would like to say that if I had been making the list I would have included the Silver Jews' Bright Flight (2001) on there somewhere. For some reason it's the Silver Jews album that always flies under the radar, but I think it's their best outside American Water. It's a fantastic collection of songs and in the middle of it there's "I Remember Me", which has to be one of the most heartbreaking and beautiful songs of the decade.

So there.

This is something I can get behind. I love every single Silver Jews album, though.
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« Reply #89 on: October 07, 2009, 04:46:32 PM »

Prof, was that aimed me? If so. I don't do top tens, only uber specific top fives. It's more fun that way. But I may just have Botch's We Are The Romans 10 times to give you answer.
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« Reply #90 on: October 07, 2009, 04:54:04 PM »

Prof, was that aimed me? If so. I don't do top tens, only uber specific top fives. It's more fun that way. But I may just have Botch's We Are The Romans 10 times to give you answer.

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« Reply #91 on: October 07, 2009, 09:40:41 PM »

Yeah that was directed at you Eliza, mainly because I thought you would be able to find at least one album out of the 200 that were on the list.  Buuuuuuuuut seeing as how that genre seems to not be very well liked by Pitchfork, I can see why you wouldn't be able to find a one.
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« Reply #92 on: October 07, 2009, 09:56:03 PM »

I'm not sure any of pitchfork's selections would be in my top 10. Top 50 certainly.
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« Reply #93 on: October 08, 2009, 02:48:35 AM »

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« Reply #94 on: October 08, 2009, 03:18:44 AM »

Yeah, I didn't see anything that is top 10 material for me, either. Lift Your Skinny Fists might be on the top 50, same with Songs For the Deaf, but I don't remember much else on there that I liked at all (I didn't listen to all of them, obviously).
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« Reply #95 on: October 10, 2009, 01:17:17 AM »

Prof, was that aimed me? If so. I don't do top tens, only uber specific top fives. It's more fun that way. But I may just have Botch's We Are The Romans 10 times to give you answer.

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« Reply #96 on: October 10, 2009, 01:18:39 PM »

There are records I like & even love on that list prof, just not TOP TEN love, (Jens Lekmen, the Hold Steady, Interpol, M.I.A, QOTSA, Lightening Bolt, Fugazi, Trail Of Dead, Girl Talk, The Walkmen are ones I remember.)

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« Reply #97 on: October 10, 2009, 01:59:35 PM »

This list is like an old sitcom...

There's basically a cast of hipster music/white guys, the occasional rap album/black guy, and one metal album/that weird guy who hangs out in your neighborhood.

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« Reply #98 on: October 10, 2009, 10:46:41 PM »

I looked through the list and was sorely tempted to just go ahead and insert my own selections whenever something by The Streets came up.
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« Reply #99 on: October 11, 2009, 02:13:47 PM »

5. Jay-Z - The Blueprint

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