Recommend me some punk?

[Cartilage Head]

 Give me some punk suggestions. Bands, songs, whatever.

 Punk bands I like...

 -Dillinger Four

 -Andrew Jackson Jihad

 -Stiff Little Fingers

 -The Queers

- Leftover Crack

- Dead Milkmen

- Dead Kennedys

 Also I could use some song suggestions for some obvious one like Melvins, Ramones, and The Clash.

[Touch Me Im Sick]

Rocket from the Crypt.

Also I could use some song suggestions for some obvious one like Melvins, Ramones, and The Clash.

I'd just pick up the albums Houdini, Stoner Witch (Melvins), Rocket to Russia, Ramones (Ramones of course), Combat Rock, and Give 'Em Enough Rope (The Clash)

Maybe London Calling by The Clash too.

[KharBevNor]

     

Off the top of my head.

[sean]

go listen to coke bust, sick fix, and punch.

[Cartilage Head]

Oh my god I haven't thought about X-Ray Spex in forever thank you Khar.

[Jeans]

Khar is doing it right!

Also some hardcore punk and assorted things:

7 Seconds (making awesome music and proving that more seconds is not necessarily a good thing)
Poison Idea (who had probably one of the worst music videos ever made but they fucking kick ass somewhere right between punk and rock)
Cro-Mags (the name gives away a lot of the sound, and also the visual aspect of the band - brutal, stupid as fuck and pretty dang awesome)
Minor Threat (duh)
Black Flag (fuck off alla yous they are awesome)
Minutemen (I humbly propose that this is one of the best songs ever written)
SOA (Rollins did cool things before Black Flag too!)
So Much Hate (if you can find any recordings by them I'd be very surprised (they are a small band from Oslo which means that they are roughly as famous as I am), but there is some stuff on YouTube)
Kafka Prosess (another local band, they were fucking incredible)
(Early) Bad Brains (dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun *wriaoairng* durururun dun! *chuggachuggachugga* AAAAAAAA)
MDC (Millions of Dead Cops) (with the unbeatable Steve Dave Dictor on vocals!)
Reagan Youth (pretty great band name, yes? Song.)
Chalk Circle (who are fucking impossible to find on Youtube due to the not awesome at all Canadian band with the same name, but they have a MySpace and you should probably check out the song Reflection there)
Circle Jerks (who sound like they mean it more than any other band I know of pretty much)
X (who kicked ass all to hell and was officially recognized as awesome by the Los Angeles city council for their album Los Angeles. They were produced by Ray Manzarek, keyboardist in The Doors! Video with awesome chunky riffs, heavy drums, rad vocals and cameo by Jim Morrison in a stupid hat.)
Red C (LAW'S ON MAH BACK D:)
Black Market Baby
GI (with John Stabb)

[scarred]

[evilCarl]

First of all, Jawbreaker. Go find 24 Hour Revenge Therapy RIGHT NOW.

Anyway, I don't listen to much punk, but I would suggest Minor Threat, Johnny Hobo & the Freight Trains, and Mexican Power Authority.

[sean]

Also some hardcore punk:

coke bust, sick fix, punch

[De_El]

Oh and



you cunts

[Be My Head]

[KharBevNor]

I actually specifically avoided american hardcore because I knew Jens or Tommy would come along and rack out a more complete and nuanced list than I am personally capable of off the top of my head.

I like threads like this because they make me rack my music brain and remember stuff I might not have listened to for a while, like.

 

[Melodic]

The Germs

Thank you for being this guy.

[a pack of wolves]

I like this thread very much, It's lacking one or two things though. Unless it isn't and I just missed them, I broke the shit out of my arm and I'm on a fair amount of painkillers so this is highly possible.

The Dicks - I love Gary Floyd so, so much.
Stiff Little Fingers - One of the best things anyone ever did with an electric guitar.
Los Crudos - If we're bringing in hardcore we can't leave Martin Sorrondeguy out.
The Ergs! - Best pop punk band of recent years.

[Retrospectre]

"Funhouse" by The Stooges.

[Der Golem]

I just found this last night, but I am really enjoying Lydia Laska

[valley_parade]

The Riot Before
The Lawrence Arms
Methadones
The Draft/Hot Water Music
seconding Cock Sparrer
The Briggs
Angelic Upstarts
Dead To Me's new album is pretty badass.
The Sidekicks

(pretty much check out everyone on Red Scare Industries)

[Ptommydski]

Etc.

[valley_parade]

Tommy's right. "Singles Going Steady" is pretty much a mandatory album for EVERYONE EVER.

[KharBevNor]

See Tommy, that is quite a nice list, except that it isn't really related to the OP at all and half of it is post-punk and new wave. Devo are punk only in the sense that Venom are a rock 'n roll band. I mean, partly I avoided post-punk and new wave because you start then getting into this ever broadening definition of punk and three posts down the line you're recommending the dude listen to Throbbing Gristle, early Bathory and All Aboute Eve.

I mean like, I tried to keep my suggestions fairly relevant. For example his liking of Stiff Little Fingers suggests 999 and The Undertones, whilst Leftover Crack suggests crust classics like Axegrinder and Amebix. Also you have that post in a file somewhere don't you?

[Scandanavian War Machine]

the classics seem to have been well and truly covered so here's something new that I don't think got mentioned yet

[Jeans]

You guys may or may not shoot me for this but Kenickie were a band I have expressed deep appreciation for in meebo (especially while inebriated). They are a pop-punk band from north England, and while there is precious little material of theirs to be found on YouTube and the likes, but I would say it's worth a listen anyway-  in fact, avoid everything by Kenickie on YouTube because they are mostly terrible live recordings and doesn't do the band justice at all. I uploaded the Catsuit City 7" in the mediaf!re thread, which I think represents some of their best work, along with the album At The Club. Go there and have a listen.

Also look at this totally rad 7" EP cover



Johnny X is the coolest fucking cat you ever saw

[spoon_of_grimbo]

The Riot Before
The Lawrence Arms
Methadones
The Draft/Hot Water Music
seconding Cock Sparrer
The Briggs
Angelic Upstarts
Dead To Me's new album is pretty badass.
The Sidekicks

(pretty much check out everyone on Red Scare Industries)

^ this guy has the right idea!!!

i'd also add Banner Pilot, The Menzingers, The Falcon, Cobra Skulls, The Arteries, Avail, Lifetime and Cadillac Blindside.  and i'll second whoever recommended Rocket from the Crypt.

[Ptommydski]

See Tommy, that is quite a nice list, except that it isn't really related to the OP at all and half of it is post-punk and new wave.

Depends who you ask. I'd argue that all of the records I posted have a claim to being Punk and so would many writers and critics.

Also, the bands listed in the OP are mostly pretty lame so it was an attempt to turn him onto something better.

[Scandanavian War Machine]

Also, the bands listed in the OP are mostly pretty lame so it was an attempt to turn him onto something better.

...except Dead Milkmen....right? RIGHT?!?!?


OH GOD PLEASE AGREE WITH ME

[imapiratearg]

Kid Dynamite
Fake Problems
Mischief Brew
Johnny Hobo & the Freight Trains
Chris Burrows/Asking For It
Red Forty

Looks like I've got some downloading to do myself...

[KharBevNor]

Depends who you ask. I'd argue that all of the records I posted have a claim to being Punk and so would many writers and critics.

You'd be right to an extent but only a very broad one, I think. Elvis Costello is certainly not someone I'd choose as a representative proponent of punk, for example. Post-punk is punk only in the way ice is frozen steam. They're different things.

Also I think it is kinda dickish to come into a recommendation thread and completely disregard the rules. You don't catch me going into every recommendation thread and demanding people listen to Club Moral or Diabolical Masquerade, do you?

[Zombiedude]

[20 jazz funk greats]

tommy just wants everyone to have correct musical taste. but it's not incredibly far-fetched to recommend post punk bands to people who like regular punk, in my opinion.

Oh my god I haven't thought about X-Ray Spex in forever thank you Khar.

also, this.

[KharBevNor]

But if we start on post-punk we will get into arguments.

Like for example I find Elvis Costello very dull and think good post-punk sounds something like this.

[Ptommydski]

You'd be right to an extent but only a very broad one, I think. Elvis Costello is certainly not someone I'd choose as a representative proponent of punk, for example. Post-punk is punk only in the way ice is frozen steam. They're different things.

Elvis Costello's debut record was released in July 1977. By comparison, Never Mind the Bollocks was released in October 1977. How can he be "Post" Punk when he pre-dated what is considered to be the definitive Punk rock records? Not to mention the fact that he'd been playing in the pub rock scene for about six years or so before he was given a record deal. There's a blatant continuity from bands like The Modern Lovers to Elvis Costello, both of whom were regarded as being Punk at the time and indeed, now.

Punk didn't begin and end in Britain in 1977. It had existed on both sides of the Atlantic for years before then and it continued to thrive into the 1980s. Sure, terms like Post-Punk and New Wave can also be used for a lot of Punk bands but it's really a question of semantics. Punk wasn't anywhere near as rigidly defined as most people think.

Also I think it is kinda dickish to come into a recommendation thread and completely disregard the rules.

What are the rules? I would have thought it was literally that you should try to recommend something relevant and that's exactly what I did. All of those bands have been described as Punk on many, many occasions.

[KharBevNor]

Punk didn't begin and end in Britain in 1977.

That is when it stopped sucking though.

[Ptommydski]

The Ramones did not suck at all.

An overwhelming majority of Punk bands since The Ramones have been a poor imitation.

[E. Spaceman]

Punk didn't begin and end in Britain in 1977.

That is when it stopped sucking though.

Obvious troll is obvious.

[KharBevNor]

Pretty much. I'm not sure if Tommy is counter-trolling up there though, I am never good at these things.

[David_Dovey]

SRS PUNX SRS BSNS

[spoon_of_grimbo]

i've just re-visited an album i was given a promo of earlier this year - "Ghosts" by the Marked Men.  definitely worth checking out - it's basically really good garage-punk with proper bubblegum-pop melodies.

[Jeans]

also: the sex pistols.

As for the discussion above: I find it hard to draw any kind of line from Bad Brains to Elvis Costello, probably because they sound nothing like each other (from what I can tell). There may be similarities in song structure that I'm not aware of because I'm a dumbass, but I feel safe saying that most people wouldn't pick up on those either. To be able to call even VU punk music, it seems to me that you probably have to know some history, a basic understanding of the core punk mindset - and even that isn't a definite, people still disagree on what the punk mindset is, from the nihilistic fuck yous of the sex pistols to the DIY and local scene promotion of dischord house.

Tommy has a reasonably good excuse for posting Devo and Elvis Costello in this thread, in that if you know a bit of punk history and are familiar with its central ideas, it totally makes sense. On the other hand, when Cory namedrops the Dead Kennedys he's obviously not hungering for Devo! Punk is a very wide umbrella term, the definition of which varies wildly by simply asking two different people, as is clearly demonstrated here - so I think you have to narrow it down to things that sound at least a little similar to the examples provided, in order to pass it off as a recommendation and not just throwing a bunch of bands at the guy. Fair enough trying to give him Correct Musical Taste but I think a little bit of explanation is in order when he asks for a band similar to the Dead Kennedys or the Dead Milkmen and you give him Elvis Costello? I dunno. I don't want to come across as preachy because I don't know shit about nothing really, but I know that I would certainly be turned off Devo pretty much instantly if I hadn't read about the conceptual part of the band first. It just seems a little pointless!

[a pack of wolves]

Devo are a pretty useful punk recommendation in a lot of ways, since you can draw some very clear lines from them to the kind of punk bands you get on labels like 31G such as The Locust. Having said that, I totally agree that given the huge scope of punk someone just reeling off punk records they like without paying heed to the kind of punk the person asking for recommendations is interested in isn't the best approach. Correct Musical Taste isn't a legitimate reason either, since anyone rocking Dillinger Four, Stiff Little Fingers and the Dead Kennedys is in no need of a taste readjustment.

Anyway, we've left out one of the greatest punk bands of the last couple of decades and this needs redressing. I speak of course of Propagandhi. This is one of the best punk songs ever, from their second album, but they really hit their stride with their third LP Todays Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes which included glorious moments of hardcore simplicity like Fuck The Border as well as ridiculously catchy tracks such as Back To The Motor League. They're still on form these days, their latest album containing an impassioned plea against nationalism in hockey, continued dedication to the vegan jihad and a declaration of love to heavy fucking metal.

[E. Spaceman]

    60 Minutes Of Fear - JD Twitch

1 Big Black - Bombastic Intro
2 Zounds - Can't Cheat Karma
3 Crass - Bata Motel
4 Savage Republic - Viva Le Rock N'Roll
5 Butthole Surfers - Mexican Caravan
6 Flipper - Ever
7 The Ex - Ay Carmela
8 Sun City Girls - CIA Man
9 The Mob - Witch Hunt
10 Swans - A Screw (Holy Money)
11 Sonic Youth - Brother James
12 The Pop Group - She Is Beyond Good And Evil
13 Minutemen - This Ain't No Picnic
14 Hüsker Dü - Don't Want To Know If You Are Lonely
15 Big Black - Jordan, Minnesota
16 World Domination Enterprises - Asbestos, Lead, Asbestos
17 Black Flag - Slip It In
18 Flux Of Pink Indians - Tube Disasters
19 The Rentals - New York
20 The Screamers - 122 Hours Of Fear
21 Fatal Microbes - Violence Grows
22 Poison Girls - State Control And Rock N'Roll

Code:

http://www.mediaf!re.com/?zgm1dmngtxe

[Ptommydski]

The thread is called Recommend Me Some Punk and does not at all say "based on these bands".

Those are all great records anyhow.

[Jeans]

The thread is called Recommend Me Some Punk and does not at all say "based on these bands".

It's certainly implied, though. Why else would he give us a list of punk bands to begin with? Even if he doesn't want a list based on those bands, it's still going to be very hard to find the connection between elvis costello and the dead milkmen right off the bat - obviously dependent on how much Cory knows about the genre.

[BlahBlah]

Why is everyone getting so upset about this genre thing?

[Jeans]

it is srs business

[De_El]

It is srs bsns, and though genre is an ugly and messy thing, to certain extent it pertains to what the music actually sounds like, e.g. The Birthday Party does not sound very much like Leftover Crack.

[Scandanavian War Machine]

maybe not to you

[De_El]

I'm probably biased w/r/t that particular comparison. I've never thought Leftöver Crack is very good.

[Scandanavian War Machine]

well, there's your problem, right there.

we can fix it though. it'll take a few days and cost a bit more since it's kind of an awkward place to work on but i think we can do it. Just sign here.

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[Shaolin]

Also very good, since it's the band Leföver Crack developed from: Choking Victim.

[sean]

so did you listen to coke bust yet?