Topic: The QC forum book group - nominations thread (Read 5821 times)

20 jazz funk greats · « **Reply #50 on:** 27 Mar 2010, 12:33 »

^^ pretty much this.

20 jazz funk greats · « **Reply #51 on:** 27 Mar 2010, 12:33 »

oh hey, an accidental page break.

JD · « **Reply #52 on:** 27 Mar 2010, 02:17 »

Poll ends in 3 minutes and it's a tie.

RallyMonkey · « **Reply #53 on:** 27 Mar 2010, 02:53 »

I'm going to give the book the benefit of the doubt and blame this on a piss poor translation, but the prose of The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo was so shitty I couldn't even make it through the first chapter.

JD · « **Reply #54 on:** 27 Mar 2010, 06:30 »

oh it's not that bad

Johnny C · « **Reply #55 on:** 27 Mar 2010, 06:50 »

fucking finals are next month and you pricks want me to read a new book unrelated to my coursework in two weeks? are you people out of your fucking minds

Johnny C · « **Reply #56 on:** 27 Mar 2010, 06:50 »

i can't stand barthes btw

20 jazz funk greats · « **Reply #57 on:** 27 Mar 2010, 07:03 »

fine, you pick the last one.

20 jazz funk greats · « **Reply #58 on:** 27 Mar 2010, 07:04 »

i will talk about barthes with someone else.
it's cool.

Joseph · « **Reply #59 on:** 27 Mar 2010, 09:22 »

I'll talk about Barthes with you Anna. I was planning on picking through Camera Lucida sometime soon anyhow. He has a lot of interesting things to say in Mythologies, but it wasn't something found especially compelling. I've been wanting to check out his later work though for some time, as apparently his thought went through quite a number of changes.

Also, if you want to borrow books, you're welcome to come to Montreal. Don't you live in Ontario? It's not that far!

Johnny C · « **Reply #60 on:** 27 Mar 2010, 10:19 »

oh we can chat about him and i like chatting about his ideas, and he's an important figure in mid-20th-century literary studies (and an absolutely vital one in authorial studies if you'll pardon the pun), i just don't like his writing style and fundamentally disagree with his perception of the author

Inlander · « **Reply #61 on:** 28 Mar 2010, 01:25 »

Okay guys, voting's closed and it was tight but Stieg Larsson just beat out Cormac McCarthy, ten votes to nine. I'm going to pop out and buy my copy now and get reading (it suits me well, I'm in the mood for a quick thrill having just finished reading Middlemarch a couple of days ago). I hope nobody's too disappointed by the result, but I'm sure there'll be a lot to discuss about the book and about the peripheral issues that have come up around it.

Jeans · « **Reply #62 on:** 28 Mar 2010, 03:58 »

I'm a little bit disappointed because I don't like Stieg Larsson much (though I haven't read any of the millennium trilogy, maybe it's good!), but I'll play along! This book club excites me and it would suck if it just stopped dead on the starting block.

Liz · « **Reply #63 on:** 28 Mar 2010, 04:43 »

Alright, I'll pick it up from the library tomorrow and get reading. Too bad it's closed for the day already, I've got free time tonight...

20 jazz funk greats · « **Reply #64 on:** 28 Mar 2010, 05:37 »

Quote from: Joseph on 27 Mar 2010, 09:22

I'll talk about Barthes with you Anna. I was planning on picking through Camera Lucida sometime soon anyhow. He has a lot of interesting things to say in Mythologies, but it wasn't something found especially compelling. I've been wanting to check out his later work though for some time, as apparently his thought went through quite a number of changes.

Also, if you want to borrow books, you're welcome to come to Montreal. Don't you live in Ontario? It's not that far!

have no money for useless trips, so you get over here and bring me books sometime soon. i have a report to write blurgh must finish.

Barmymoo · « **Reply #65 on:** 29 Mar 2010, 04:09 »

Aw man I just realised I ordered this book to come to my college, and I'm leaving tomorrow and not back til April 11th. Hm.

Jeans · « **Reply #66 on:** 29 Mar 2010, 09:11 »

Unless it's shipped already you can probably cancel it and reorder!

Linds · « **Reply #67 on:** 30 Mar 2010, 08:19 »

I will go pick up this book sometime this week and get reading!

a pack of wolves · « **Reply #68 on:** 30 Mar 2010, 09:04 »

Quote from: Joseph on 27 Mar 2010, 09:22

I was planning on picking through Camera Lucida sometime soon anyhow.

Same here, and since I've come down with something so I can't get to the library to try and find a copy of the Larsson anyway I started on it last night. It's been very enjoyable so far, I'll probably polish it off tonight.

Sox · « **Reply #69 on:** 30 Mar 2010, 09:37 »

I downloaded it for free! But I'll probably just watch the movie and say that I read it.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #70 on:** 31 Mar 2010, 11:40 »

I bought this a couple of days ago, but haven't got round to reading it yet.

negative creep · « **Reply #71 on:** 01 Apr 2010, 07:43 »

I'll buy it when I'm back from vacation.

Jeans · « **Reply #72 on:** 01 Apr 2010, 07:34 »

I've borrowed from a friend. I think it's a safe bet that it's alright to read it in Norwegian, it's originally in Swedish and the languages are more or less the same. Interesting, though - the Norwegian/Swedish title is "Men Who Hate Women". I don't know what that means having gotten to all of page 50, but I guess time will tell.

JD · « **Reply #73 on:** 01 Apr 2010, 08:09 »

when you reach the end of chapter 11 it might make sense

JD · « **Reply #74 on:** 02 Apr 2010, 10:43 »

Finished it last night. crazy book

Linds · « **Reply #75 on:** 02 Apr 2010, 11:47 »

I am still waiting on a copy from the library. Apparently it's popular in this city right now.

Jeans · « **Reply #76 on:** 02 Apr 2010, 01:28 »

Quote from: Zombiedude on 01 Apr 2010, 08:09

when you reach the end of chapter 11 it might make sense

A disclaimer might be needed before you read the rest of my post: As far as I can tell I'm not being sexist, I'm just discussing the semantics of misandry and misogyny (hating men and hating women respectively). If you think I am being sexist then feel free to point out, knowing myself there's probably a fuckton of sexism staring me right in the face in my post/head and I'm not even seeing it.

I reached the end of the chapter just now and it brings up a question that's been bothering me for a while - how does being a sexist asshole in general translate to hating the opposite sex? This goes for both misogyny and misandry. I mean, I have no problems seeing how abusing someone sexually basically makes you a cumstain on the fabric of human society, but it doesn't translate as hate to my mind at all.

I hate things. I hate wars, I hate violence, I hate injustice, I hate Michael Bay, but it's not just that I think these things should be below us as humans, I feel like they should all be made extinct, and whenever I think of them it's as if a switch toggles in my head and I want to start slitting throats and get a revolution going to stop them from existing. I loathe these things, I wish they had never existed - that, to me, is hate. Asserting dominance over a gender you hate through getting off to them doesn't seem that strange* - it's pretty well known that sexual abuse and rape aren't so much about sexual pleasure as power play and demonstrating superiority. But lots of things are called misogynistic/misandristic while apparently being simply sexist! You can be sexist as hell without actually hating the opposite sex, yet the two terms have become virtually interchangeable, which I think is pretty strange. princeton.edu tells me that "hate" is "dislike intensely; feel antipathy or aversion towards", which doesn't really ring any bells at all as far as how misogyny and misandry or "sex-hate" in general is used. My question is, how does sexually abusing someone indicate you hate them?

*this is, of course, not to say that it's rational to hate a gender in the first place.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #77 on:** 02 Apr 2010, 06:56 »

Quote from: Jeans on 02 Apr 2010, 01:28

My question is, how does sexually abusing someone indicate you hate them?

OK so I'm not very good at these kind of things in general so this is probably going to come across as pretty simplistic buuuuuut:

It's more or less accepted fact that raping a person is bar-none the most traumatic thing one human being can do to another human being, right? So I imagine that you'd have to feel a pretty serious antipathy to another person (or as it may be, to their gender or some other component part of that person's identity) to inflict that sort of trauma on them.

Incidentally, as I was typing this and thinking the position through I have come to the conclusion that I'm not entirely sure I agree with what I have said, but it's certainly one way of looking at it?

Be My Head · « **Reply #78 on:** 02 Apr 2010, 07:45 »

This looks interesting...I'll see if I can finish off Snow Crash and read this quickly.

jimbunny · « **Reply #79 on:** 02 Apr 2010, 10:12 »

Well, I forget where I first encountered the idea that hate is not the polar opposite of love (which is actually one of a number of things, depending on whom you ask), but it might prove insightful here. Jens, the way you've phrased the question is a bit difficult for me to follow, but it seems like you're trying to assert the difference in meaning between "sexism" and "gender-hate" (misandry/-ogyny). What hate and love have in common, perhaps, is a quality you might call "relational passion," in which strong feelings are created out of the interaction between two or more people - generated, figuratively speaking, by the third quantity "we." Whereas, with proper bigotry (sexism, racism, etc.), the generator comes from within the self and the emotions center around identity formation - in this case, through opposition. Usually, I think, there is some connection to a power relationship, i.e. the bigot sees him/herself as the rightful (if not acting) superior to the other party, by means of some convenient rationale. In love/hate, the other is known; in bigotry the other is unknown. This makes the existence of "gender-hate" rather impossible to imagine and surely the mark of a delusional character; one could not possibly know and have a relationship with every single person of a particular sex. In common, everyday usage, I'd say that "misandry/-ogyny" was more or less synonymous with "sexism," but I think there is an interesting distinction to be made.

This may be unnecessarily literary, but the written tradition labeled the "querelles des femmes" (I can't believe there isn't a wikipedia article devoted to it!) thrived for much of the Renaissance. Sometimes an argument between male and female writers on the merits and pitfalls of the female species (but mostly between male and male writers arguing over which aspects they disliked most), it provides, I think, an excellent example of a variety of opinions that are mostly sexist and which range into the misogynistic (and perhaps even the misandric - I'm not that well acquainted).

(Sorry - I get a bit pedantic ~~after~~during a few drinks)

Linds · « **Reply #80 on:** 08 Apr 2010, 08:15 »

Ok, I had to buy a copy because the wait list at the library is really long for this book! So I will start it today.

JD · « **Reply #81 on:** 08 Apr 2010, 04:45 »

I went on to the second one since I finished the first so quick. wooo

Inlander · « **Reply #82 on:** 08 Apr 2010, 06:35 »

I anticipate finishing the book in the next couple of days.

How's everyone going? Feeling ready to start discussin' soon? (In a separate, spoileriffic thread, of course.)

Barmymoo · « **Reply #83 on:** 12 Apr 2010, 04:00 »

I think my copy has arrived! Actually it arrived about a week and a half ago but I haven't picked it up yet. Will do that later today.

Linds · « **Reply #84 on:** 12 Apr 2010, 04:45 »

I am about to start part 3 and...wow. I know I'm going to be finishing this in the next couple days, so I'm ready for the discussion thread when you guys are.

As for the sexism vs hate, I'm not sure if the sadist actually hates women, but certain men in the family definitely do.

JD · « **Reply #85 on:** 14 Apr 2010, 12:00 »

The climax is so crazy.

Linds · « **Reply #86 on:** 14 Apr 2010, 02:03 »

Holy shit, I thought chapters 11-14 were bad, but this is insane. 100 pages to go and I'm done.

Barmymoo · « **Reply #87 on:** 08 May 2010, 10:17 »

Hey guys, isn't it time we voted on a new book?

Alex C · « **Reply #88 on:** 08 May 2010, 01:44 »

I might join in on this one!

Liz · « **Reply #89 on:** 09 May 2010, 07:42 »

Let's just do the #2 vote getter, it's one that I've been meaning to read for a while!

RallyMonkey · « **Reply #90 on:** 09 May 2010, 08:00 »

I call for new nominations. If you want to read Blood Meridian, nominate it.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #91 on:** 09 May 2010, 09:38 »

I think that's what they were doing?

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