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Title: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 12 Jun 2007, 18:22
EDIT:  Since this topic has evolved into a posting place for guitars and the like, go ahead and show'em off!

Well, I finaly got a new guitar!  What kind you ask?  Why, a Fender Special Edition Koa Stratocaster of course!  It's a huge upgrade from my old Squier Strat, and it is certinly a huge improvement.  Its body is made of Alder with a Koa wood top (with 2-color sunburst), it has a rosewood fretboard, "Pearl" inlays and pick guard, a two-point floating tremolo, and some Seymour Duncan pickups all around $700!  Quite a steal.  The Unique combination of tone woods (Hawaiian Koa and Rosewood) gives it an incredible sound: It's bluesy and mellow, but also quite twangy and bright at the same time, and it has loads of tone and quite a nice sustain.  On top of all that, it's quite a beautiful guitar, observe:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_0213.jpg)

More Pictures:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_0212.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_0211.jpg

I am quite happy with my purchase.  It's hanging on a wall mount in my room now.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: jeph on 12 Jun 2007, 18:26
FANCY
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Johnny C on 12 Jun 2007, 18:27
It does look really nice.

One of these days I have to shell out for a better amp and a decent Tele.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: jeph on 12 Jun 2007, 18:43
Seymour Duncans will basically improve any non-vintage guitar where you'd be killing the value by swapping in new pickups, I've found.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: SilentJ on 12 Jun 2007, 19:40
I bought a new guitar a few weeks ago!

Observe:

(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4267/mahbabycf2.jpg)
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: celticgeek on 12 Jun 2007, 20:10
Definitely doubleplusultracool, Bearer.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: godinpants on 12 Jun 2007, 21:00
Man, you payed for all that sexy koa, then ruin it by covering it up with a huge pickguard.

Otherwise, nice guitar, i was thinking of buying one at when they came out.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: dennis on 12 Jun 2007, 21:37
Man, you payed for all that sexy koa, then ruin it by covering it up with a huge pickguard.

Otherwise, nice guitar, i was thinking of buying one at when they came out.
The pickguards are all that big. There are electronics underneath, you know.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: godinpants on 12 Jun 2007, 21:44
yeah i know, but if they did a decent routing job, like they used to you could take the pickguard off like so many bassists have done since jaco made it cool.
They even do it on the vintage modified fretless, if squire can do it, it cant be too much effort for fender to do it with the huge price gap there.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Jun 2007, 21:54
One of these days I have to shell out for a better amp and a decent Tele.

I'm getting an amp soon too.  I want a Telecaster as well.  Just a standard probably.  :|
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: MadassAlex on 13 Jun 2007, 04:56
That's really nice dude! The problem with Fenders however is that they usually have no balls! Grrrr!

I'm sure it's brilliant for your type of music however.

Also SilentJ did you really get that beatufil guitar?
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Misereatur on 13 Jun 2007, 05:46
Fender are really kicking it with the Sunburst lately. The new Highway 1 Jazz Bass models looks amazing with sunburst. They also have a Badass II bridge, and cost less then US$900 around here.  I bought my 2003 model for about US$1000 three years ago and I still love it.

My latest parches was a '93 MusicMan Stingray. Amazing bass.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: simplename9 on 13 Jun 2007, 06:04
Yeah well my guitar beats the shit out of that one.

(http://i.b5z.net/i/u/1530927/i/Guitar_Stand_GS1_-_MAPLE_-_WALNUT_-_front_300x400.jpg)

Air guitar all the way baby!!! YEAH!!!
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Bearer on 13 Jun 2007, 09:22
One of these days I have to shell out for a better amp and a decent Tele.

I'm getting an amp soon too.  I want a Telecaster as well.  Just a standard probably.  :|
Fender actually makes a Telecaster model of the one I got.  It looks just as good and it's about the same price

Koa Series @ Samash:
     Strat Model (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=53315)
     Tele Model (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=53314)
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Kai on 13 Jun 2007, 09:57
The problem with Fenders however is that they usually have no balls! Grrrr!


dude what does this even meannnnnnnnn
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: jeph on 13 Jun 2007, 10:25
yeah i know, but if they did a decent routing job, like they used to you could take the pickguard off like so many bassists have done since jaco made it cool.
They even do it on the vintage modified fretless, if squire can do it, it cant be too much effort for fender to do it with the huge price gap there.

Dogg you have never been able to do that with Strats, they are not built like a Jazz bass.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jun 2007, 14:04
One of these days I have to shell out for a better amp and a decent Tele.

I'm getting an amp soon too.  I want a Telecaster as well.  Just a standard probably.  :|
Fender actually makes a Telecaster model of the one I got.  It looks just as good and it's about the same price

Koa Series @ Samash:
     Strat Model (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=53315)
     Tele Model (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=53314)

That's pretty sexy.  I'm not a huge fan of the sunburst though.  But hey, if it sounds good, then who cares about the finish?

EDIT- I like the Lite Ash Telecaster as well.  It's cheaper, and has Seymour Duncans, but the body is ash with a birdeye maple neck.  Plus, I love guitars with natural finishes.  I'm just wondering how both guitars would fare playing anything from hardcore to indie.  I know they're Telecasters, so I'm hoping they'll be just fine.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Bearer on 13 Jun 2007, 14:54
I like the Lite Ash Telecaster as well.  It's cheaper, and has Seymour Duncans, but the body is ash with a birdeye maple neck.  Plus, I love guitars with natural finishes.  I'm just wondering how both guitars would fare playing anything from hardcore to indie.  I know they're Telecasters, so I'm hoping they'll be just fine.

I'd go down to a local guitar shop and try both out, and if they don't have both in at once they might be able to order one/both for you to test.  Most places should do that, the George's Music down by my place does anyway.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jun 2007, 15:49
What about, just buying a standard Telecaster, then swapping the pickups out?
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: SilentJ on 13 Jun 2007, 16:48
Also SilentJ did you really get that beatufil guitar?

Indeed I did!  I am playing it now actually.
It is an Epiphone, not a Gibson.  I actually like Epis, they sound like the Gibsons do but play like a Fender.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: öde on 13 Jun 2007, 17:04
I have a cheap Les Paul replica. I just took the pickguard off and it looks so much more sexy.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jun 2007, 18:11
I think im getting an epi les paul over the summer. Depends on the new goodies from eastwood and squiers ever-expanding vintage modified line. The hss strat and thinline tele are both nice.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Blue Kitty on 13 Jun 2007, 19:39
here is the guitar I bought a week ago, my first bass guitar/guitar of any kind:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a372/The_Blue_Kitty/myguitar.jpg)
I think is G&L and it only cost me $199.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Jackie Blue on 13 Jun 2007, 19:53
I like old guitars.  I'll stick with my Danelectro and Silvertone.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jun 2007, 20:52
My fingers are too long and frail for playing bass.  I have piano hands.   :cry:
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Chad K. on 13 Jun 2007, 21:50
Nope, not a G&L. It's a Samick Corsair.  Samick is the maker of just about every Korean guitar (Fender, Epi, etc.).  Not a bad little starter, though.  The necks are small and the string action is good, which is the most important thing for a budding bassist.  As for the strat that started this thread, looks pretty nice.  I'm not a huge Strat guy, but that is definitely one of the prettier ones I've seen.  The "no balls" rap they get is just people talking. As has been stated on these boards before, a guitar is a tool to be used for making art. Just as an artist chooses an appropriate paint brush or paints for a desired effect when painting, a musician must choose the instruments that fit her or his desired tone.  Congrats on your purchase!
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: MadassAlex on 14 Jun 2007, 00:51
Indeed I did!  I am playing it now actually.
It is an Epiphone, not a Gibson.  I actually like Epis, they sound like the Gibsons do but play like a Fender.

I love my teacher's Epi. It plays so well and sounds great.

Epi have put out some huge shit but their mid to high range makes up for it so hard.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: thenosebleedkid on 14 Jun 2007, 05:27
Solid guitars, I'm picking up a strat soon, currently I rock this;

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/mainmanmazz/Bass%20gear/DSCN0758.jpg)

and when I have time from rigorous bass practise this;

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/mainmanmazz/Guitar%20gear/forfeli001.jpg)
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Jun 2007, 07:16
You got a Strat?

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

That is to say, I'm not a fan of Strats personally. I'm more of a Tele man. My most recent purchase was indeed, my dream guitar:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/TeleC04.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/TeleC03.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/TeleC02.jpg)
#72 custom Tele reissue. My pride and joy.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Kai on 14 Jun 2007, 07:20
I like old guitars.  I'll stick with my Danelectro and Silvertone.


My first guitar was a Danelectro. I loves it lots. Although most of the time I am playing a strat.


and I really just want a tele.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 14 Jun 2007, 10:27
Once I have the scratch, I'd like to get either one of these (http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/leone/leone_frm.htm), or an Epiphone Casino.  Basically I just want a nice semi-hollowbody with P-90s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 14 Jun 2007, 11:06
It seems that this topic has evolved some, no?  haha

Anyway, you guys have some great looking guitars and basses, I especially like your Tele DynamiteKid.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Jun 2007, 12:10
I, prog dork..

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/Foto38.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Jun 2007, 12:27
Is that an Ibanez?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Jun 2007, 12:34
Yep.

S7420, one of the older Prestige models, from around 2000.

It has been stripped of the craptacular Black Pearl finish and given an oild rub, and the bridge pickup has been changed to a DiMarzio X2N. It fuckin' slays.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Misereatur on 14 Jun 2007, 13:52
Part of why i can play it fast with tiny fingers is the really-smooth neck, and the neck's size (it's a little thicker than a J bass's neck). I got it used last summer, and god do i love it.

After playing my Jazz Bass for three years I never thought I'd get used to the thick Stingray neck. I was seriously wrong, it's the most comfortable thing I have ever played on.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Jun 2007, 17:41
I am going to destroy this thread when I remember to bring my camera to the office.

I have way too many really nice guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Jun 2007, 17:56
You can give me the prs if you want..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Jun 2007, 17:58
Which one?

Also, no.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Jun 2007, 19:32
Yep.

S7420, one of the older Prestige models, from around 2000.

It has been stripped of the craptacular Black Pearl finish and given an oild rub, and the bridge pickup has been changed to a DiMarzio X2N. It fuckin' slays.

Nice, looks like it's a seven string too.  FOR PLAYING OF THE METALS, RIGHT?  \m/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 14 Jun 2007, 22:15
I, prog dork..

My Ibanez is kind of lame in comparison to that:
(http://www.guitarvillage.com/Solids/Ibanez/ibanez-rg350ex-black_m.jpg)

It plays nice and with upgraded pickups it sounds great, too. Still, I am missing a seventh string that I need to jam out on Dream Theater. Still, a solid guitar but once I get a nice amp I'll save up for something a bit more mind-blowing to fully take advantage of said amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 14 Jun 2007, 22:51
I am going to destroy this thread when I remember to bring my camera to the office.

I have way too many really nice guitars.

Not if i destroy it first?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/grommit/lafamillia.jpg)
For everybody who didnt see it in my making music and looking cool thread which will be updated this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: thenosebleedkid on 15 Jun 2007, 00:43
Nice elrick.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 15 Jun 2007, 01:39
It's actually a cort, elrick licensed the design to them.

Unfortunately real elricks are right out of my price range.
But, my rick remains my baby.

Also, lummer, i know this is a problem on 5 string basses alot, but that could just be because of the huge guage difference, but is there a problem of floppy b strings on 7's?

On the same sort of topic, has anyone else seen the new joins on the neck through ibanez's?
So sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Jun 2007, 08:49

Also, lummer, i know this is a problem on 5 string basses alot, but that could just be because of the huge guage difference, but is there a problem of floppy b strings on 7's?

On the same sort of topic, has anyone else seen the new joins on the neck through ibanez's?
So sexy.

1) That depends. I don't have that problem with either my RG7321 or the S7420. It's just a matter of having it set up correctly. Also, I use a .60 gauge string for the low b, so that also helps. I know dudes who use .68 or .70 though, also for B.
There are a few seven strings on the market, with a 24,75" scale, where I am quite sure there'll be some floppiness going on, but those guitars have long since gone out of production. Epiphone made a Goth LP and a V as seven strings, and I've heard they rock.
Again, a matter of setup. I have a pretty brutal picking attack, and until I really learned to set up guitars, I was buzzing all over the place on my sixes even, if I used thin-gauge strings.

And 2) I'm not sure I've seen it. I tried their new VBT700 some time ago, and that axe as a whole was teh sex. A LOT of their new 2007 models are teh sex, in fact.

Speaking of teh sex:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00074.jpg)

I <3 this thing.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Misereatur on 15 Jun 2007, 11:04
It is picture time

(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2/ffgtthttghyujjfdss/bass004.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jun 2007, 10:32
Wow, my guitars suck in comparision.

Behold:

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa100/xholycrapitsmattx/guitarzyayayayayay.jpg)

Kind of blurry.  :|
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 16 Jun 2007, 13:44
When you own a Strat, it sucks in comparison to ANYTHING bro!

Nah, I joke, I just don't like 'em.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 16 Jun 2007, 17:33
When you own a Strat, it sucks in comparison to ANYTHING bro!

Nah, I joke, I just don't like 'em.

You're still right though..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jun 2007, 21:59
Apparently, you can pick up really cool things with single coil pickups...(I'm struggling to find pros for owning a Strat).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: negative creep on 17 Jun 2007, 06:04
i posted this before, but:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/todesfuesch/newguitar.jpg)
jaguar + humbuckers = <3

my other guitar:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/todesfuesch/git001.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/todesfuesch/git002.jpg)

also: dynamitekid: i love your guitar. i want it!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 Jun 2007, 10:41
I want yours.  That pick guard is sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 17 Jun 2007, 10:59
negative_creep, I'll be robbing your house now kthx.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 17 Jun 2007, 11:22
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/todesfuesch/newguitar.jpg)
also: dynamitekid: i love your guitar. i want it!

I was going to say the same thing to you.

Though I'd probably want a different colour.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 12 Jul 2007, 14:39
I done gots me a spankin' new guit-fiddle!

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00101.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00100.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00103.jpg)


(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00105.jpg)


(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00106.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 12 Jul 2007, 15:37
That is actually really nice. How much it set you back?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 12 Jul 2007, 15:48
Pretty much nothing, really.. It was a discontinued model, so I got at 2/5 of the original price. It is completely new, mind you :D

It set me back about 200£, which is a bargain considering how awesome it is. The sound is great, and it plays just as nice as my Gibson.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Jul 2007, 00:35
In a week's time, I'll be the owner of a shiny new Hagstrom Viking Deluxe.

(http://www.gbase.com/files/store_images/296/1571035/Photo3_bef0d.jpg)

This in Cherry Red.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 13 Jul 2007, 07:20
I done gots me a spankin' new guit-fiddle!

When did esp start making nice guitars?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lazer on 13 Jul 2007, 12:17
Far from high quality, but I'm poor so I rock out with a Jackson Stealth (lolz) and a Strat. Pardon my crappy camera flash.

(http://lazer.neonninja.net/Images/jackson.jpg) (http://lazer.neonninja.net/Images/strat.jpg)

Funny thing about the Jackson is that it's a guitar for lefty's, so I have it strung right handed and I play it upside down, which in turn makes it a pain in the ass to keep in tune and what not so I just usually stick with the Strat. Whoo boy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Jul 2007, 13:44
Pretty much nothing, really.. It was a discontinued model, so I got at 2/5 of the original price. It is completely new, mind you :D

It set me back about 200£, which is a bargain considering how awesome it is. The sound is great, and it plays just as nice as my Gibson.

You got that for only £200??? Jesus! I so want one!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Jul 2007, 14:04
Pretty much nothing, really.. It was a discontinued model, so I got at 2/5 of the original price. It is completely new, mind you :D

It set me back about 200£, which is a bargain considering how awesome it is. The sound is great, and it plays just as nice as my Gibson.

You got that for only £200??? Jesus! I so want one!

I doubt you can find one new for that price. It was on a clearance sale of discontinued models, and I snagged the last one in the country :P That is only Denmark, of course. They also had Dave Mustaine signature models for below half price.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 13 Jul 2007, 21:21
1973 Telecaster Custom

i bought it used with case in 1984 for $350 and have since modded it to the point of no longer being a collector's item.

which is fine, since i bought it to play and not as an investment.

back then 70s Fenders were considered crap canoe paddles.

(http://www.timeoven.com/CRAM/gearpix/6-23-07/Tele01_600.JPG)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Jul 2007, 04:59
So me not getting that 72 mustang was a good thing?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Jul 2007, 05:44
That's pretty nice, actually. But then my previous post shows that I do prefer the '72.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: rhinohelicopter on 04 Aug 2007, 23:27
here is the guitar I bought a week ago, my first bass guitar/guitar of any kind:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a372/The_Blue_Kitty/myguitar.jpg)
I think is G&L and it only cost me $199.

This is a Samik.  Even a G&L Tribute (Like Squire by Fender) will run you around $400.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: rhinohelicopter on 04 Aug 2007, 23:33
I want a '69 Fender Tele Thinline. But alas I have not the $700 for the guitar or the $900 for the amp I want (Peavy Classic 50 2x12).  So I wait.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Oct 2007, 13:00
I played this guitar (http://www.schecterguitars.com/index.asp) at a music shop.  I pretty much fell in love with it.  But I want a good set up.  Something like, this guitar, with a good fuzz pedal, through a tube amp or stack.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Oct 2007, 14:40
What's your budget?

Also you linked to the main Schecter page. Which guitar was it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: oblivion on 09 Oct 2007, 15:11
My arse-anal (not bothering w/ pics since they all look like guitars) consists of:

Peavey T-15 electric I got for my 10th birthday (that was 1984, kids).
Yamahammer mid-grade 12-string acoustic.
Ibanez RG-560 in glittery red.
Ibanez somethingorother 6-string acoustic.

There might be some of the guitars in these pics of my assorted gear: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=89453473%40N00&q=studio&m=tags

EDIT:
Forgot to mention my Crate TD-50C amp - the C is for "Chorus".  Neeto.

I don't have much in the way of pedals - I've to an old, sickly Digitech RP-1 that sometimes needs a whacking when it flakes out.  I've also got a DOD Stereo Flanger.  I love me some flange.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Oct 2007, 15:15
What's your budget?

Also you linked to the main Schecter page. Which guitar was it?

Aw, damnit.  The site is built in Flash, so now matter where I link it to, it'll send you to the homepage.  Anyways, it was the S-1 IVY.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 09 Oct 2007, 15:17
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/TehLetterM/36b53d11.jpg)

A red 1980 Fender Lead II. Yes, I am a Mission of Burma fan. Has held up better than my old POS squier strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 09 Oct 2007, 19:54
That guitar is tasty looking.  I want an original Danelectro, but it would be waste of money cuz I suck at guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Oct 2007, 21:27
Lies, greenMonkey!

If you can afford it, or save up for it in a reasonable amount of time, get it. You're just making an excuse why not to get a beautiful instrument.

It's so much nicer and more fun playing a gorgeous sounding and looking guitar that you'll be inspired to do it justice. And practicing to do so on it is the best way to go.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Oct 2007, 11:08
I placed a deposit on a mandolin and an order for a lap steel last friday. This friday I'm getting my f'ing mandolin.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 10 Oct 2007, 14:02
I currently own a Fender '72 Telecaster Deluxe. I don't have any pictures of it right now, but I'll be sure to upload some as soon as I possibly can. Here's a stock photo until then:

(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1558/604444iu6.jpg)

Mine doesn't have the tremolo bar, though. I really wish it did. :(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Oct 2007, 15:12
Nice axe, Tehz.

Try something like this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-American-Standard-Strat-Tremolo-System?sku=361263).

That probably doesn't fit since you have a Tele but yeah, you can get a trem bridge for 100-150 bucks (including installation).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 10 Oct 2007, 19:49
Time for me to hijack the thread somewhat. I'm considering learning to play the bass (even though I can't really afford lessons; I'll have to coerce some friends into teaching me, ehehe...), does anybody have any recommendations for a good model to start learning on? I don't want to buy a piece of crap that I'll hate a few years down the track (and furthermore won't be able to sell if I realise that I have no musical aptitude), so I'd be happy to spend a fair bit on one, though I don't want to exceed around 600-700 USD if it can be helped. Suggestions plz?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Oct 2007, 20:02
Fender makes some really nice basses.  Their amps are fairly nice too.  I'd also say you might want to look into a Behringer amp.  My friend Ryan has one that was pretty cheap and sounds pretty good.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Oct 2007, 20:30
Well, you're certainly better off than most people who start out. $600-700 will get you a great instrument.

If you want a tried-and-true bass that's been used by almost everyone, go for a Fender Jazz Bass (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Standard-Jazz-Bass?sku=516042).

A great bass will sound like crap through a bad amp, but a crap bass will sound decent through a great amp. So I suggest spending as much as you can on one. Now, I'm a guitar tech nerd, but I don't know very much about bass amps. I've heard a lot that it's better to get your head and cab separate, rather than get a combo (in plain English, there are two parts of your amp: the head, and the cabinet. The head is the amplifier, and the cabinet is the speaker. If you've ever had a stereo system, it works the same way. A combo amp contains both parts in one box. At your price range, though, these parts are usually of lower quality than if you get them separately).

Go for something like this Gallien-Krueger half-stack (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/GallienKrueger-Brat-Pack-HalfStack-Bass-Amp-Package?sku=482546).

Most importantly, go to a store and pick up a bass. Play it. Make sure it feels comfortable and you like it. Never order instruments online if you can help it (I'm just using links as a reference). Also, local shops are better than chains like Guitar Center and Sam Ash. Local music store employees typically aren't on comission, know a lot more, love what they do, and are willing to spend time with you and find what's best for you. Employees at large warehouse stores get paid for each sale they make, and will sell you second-rate equipment and send you on your way.

Good luck! Hope you love it.

P.S. Talk to Sam; he is the badass bassist around here.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: cheesepie on 10 Oct 2007, 23:25
(http://www.taylorguitars.com/Guitars/Shared/Images/Models/714ce-5.jpg)

This is the guitar that I have. Taylor 714-CE. I love it like I love my life
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 11 Oct 2007, 10:12
Time for me to hijack the thread somewhat. I'm considering learning to play the bass (even though I can't really afford lessons; I'll have to coerce some friends into teaching me, ehehe...), does anybody have any recommendations for a good model to start learning on? I don't want to buy a piece of crap that I'll hate a few years down the track (and furthermore won't be able to sell if I realise that I have no musical aptitude), so I'd be happy to spend a fair bit on one, though I don't want to exceed around 600-700 USD if it can be helped. Suggestions plz?

Since I'm self taught and mostly organic about getting the sound I want out of something, I can't help you much as far as what bass to buy, but I know that that budget will get you the good shit, even if it includes your amp.

My one piece of advice is this:

Don't take shit from guitarists who think bass is just guitar for retards with two less fingers for two less strings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 11 Oct 2007, 11:33
The best advice on buying a bass is to find a friend who can teach you just how to hold down the strings with your left hand and how to pluck with your right hand.  This shouldn't take long- we're talking 10 minutes to a half an hour, just to get the feel of the instrument.  Once you've done this, go to a bunch of music stores and play a bunch of basses and see what you like. 

On to specifics-

Bass- The key here is string action.  By string action I mean, are the strings close to the neck and easy to hold down? If you haven't been playing for a long time, you probably  haven't developed those muscles necessary to really hold down the strings.  Buying a bass with good string action makes it easier to play, and consequently, quicker to learn.  Bargain basses with good string action are certainly available- try yamaha, ibanez, squier, fender (mexico), cort, peavey, there are a host of others.

Once you've determined the bass has good string action, play around on different parts of the neck.  Bass necks can vary widely in their shape and thickness.  You may find it more comfortable to play on a tapered-flatter neck, or a fatter C-shaped neck, etc.  I tend to like my strings set very low on a neck that is a little fatter (I'm more of a Fender guy).  There was a time, however, when I only played low profile ibanez-style necks. 

After that, check the tone.  This is a little more variable depending on the amp.  I suggest using a similar amp at similar settings for every bass you try.  Just about every store will have one of those ampeg 1x15 cubes.  It sounds dumb, but set everything flat (all EQ knobs at 5) and try to dial a tone with the bass's volume and tone knob.  A word of advice- if you think you only want to play with a pick, try playing with your fingers as well.  You may change your mind depending on the style of music.  You can play metal, punk, etc, with your fingers, it's rare to find good tone playing jazz or blues with a pick. 

Last, check the looks.  Although this is initially what draws most people to a bass, remember that actually being able to play and liking what you hear is key.  It's not uncommon for a good looking bass to be unplayable to a particular player (Rics always feel super awkward to me, so I don't play them, although they look cool as hell).  Given the plethora of available basses, this shouldn't be a problem.  Don't neglect the used section, it can afford the best value, and you will eventually put a nick in your shiny new bass.

Amp-  The key here is to find something that sounds relatively good and is loud enough to get over a drumset and a guitar. Don't buy one of those little rinky-dink 15 watt amps.  You'll just end up buying another amp shortly, because eventually you'll want to play with other people.  There are numerous configurations you can go with here, but for your experience level a combo, where the amplifier and speakers are joined in one unit, would make the most sense.  Combos have gotten really powerful in recent years, and they've gotten really good at tuning the cabs for a more full sound.  At a bare minimum, I would say shoot for the 100-150 watt range.  Keep in mind, this will still be quiet if your drummer turns out to be a basher.

With amps it's the same principle as picking a bass.  Play lots of them.  You may prefer the added attack of a 2x10 combo over the rumble of a 1x15 or vice versa.  You might like something with the growl of a tube preamp, etc.  Try ampeg, fender, behringer, ashdown, gallien-krueger, SWR, fender, etc..

Overall, I think the best thing you can do is buy things that sound versatile.  After that, play with as many different people as you possible can.  Jazz, blues, metal, rock, folk, it doesn't matter.  Just make sure they are better than you.  Trying to keep up is how you get better.

Best of luck!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Oct 2007, 12:40
Try ampeg, fender, behringer, ashdown, gallien-krueger, SWR, fender, etc..

Are you implying something sir?  :]
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 11 Oct 2007, 13:13
Try ampeg, fender, behringer, ashdown, gallien-krueger, SWR, fender, etc..

Are you implying something sir?  :]

That I'm haphazard with my posts?

Actually, I'm not huge on fender for bass amps.  I love the guitar amps, though.  I recently bought a Behringer 4210 combo for my bass.   I had been wanting to downsize for some time, but never dreamed I'd buy a Behringer.  It was a surprisingly nice sounding amp for almost no money. I put in some Emenince 10s in to replace the crappy Bugeras, and did away with my huge Ampeg fullstack.  400 watts, tube preamp, full eq, and a balanced DI for less than $400.  Amazing.

Just to add to the cool picture post- I just ordered this '81 Ibanez Roadstar refin with original old school DiMarzios -

(http://www.diamondstrings.com/ibanez%20roadstar%20nat-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 12 Oct 2007, 06:42
Thanks for the advice, everyone that replied to me.  :-D You've been very helpful. (I didn't even know bassists used picks! Ya learn somethin' new every day..)

I have to admit I'm a bit nervous about hitting a store and trying their models out. Seeing as I'm a noob, and that this will be obvious to anyone that looks at me (I can hold a guitar, and maybe play the first 10 seconds of a Smashing Pumpkins song, but that's the limit of my knowledge) I'm worried about the reactions the shopkeepers might have. Namely that they'll hassle me to buy something lame or something out of my price range.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Oct 2007, 06:56
I bought a brand new Gibson Faded SG Special exactly one month ago. The headstock broke today. She is one month old and already dead.

The moral of the story is WHAT THE FUCK THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN GUYS
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 12 Oct 2007, 08:46
Oh dear god no  :cry:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 12 Oct 2007, 08:47
That is a tragedy of monstrous proportions.

On the other hand, you'll probably meet your future wife when you're looking for a new one.  That's the only way I can imagine the karma balancing out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 12 Oct 2007, 09:01
I bought a brand new Gibson Faded SG Special exactly one month ago. The headstock broke today. She is one month old and already dead.

The moral of the story is WHAT THE FUCK THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN GUYS

Oh my. *hugs*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Misereatur on 12 Oct 2007, 09:46
I recently bought a Behringer 4210 combo for my bass.   I had been wanting to downsize for some time, but never dreamed I'd buy a Behringer.  It was a surprisingly nice sounding amp for almost no money. 

So did it stop working yet? Give it a few days.

I have to admit I'm a bit nervous about hitting a store and trying their models out. Seeing as I'm a noob, and that this will be obvious to anyone that looks at me (I can hold a guitar, and maybe play the first 10 seconds of a Smashing Pumpkins song, but that's the limit of my knowledge) I'm worried about the reactions the shopkeepers might have. Namely that they'll hassle me to buy something lame or something out of my price range.

Don't be. Fuck music shop workers. Seriously.

Also
I didn't even know bassists used picks!

That's because we don't.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Oct 2007, 09:59
I bought a brand new Gibson Faded SG Special exactly one month ago. The headstock broke today. She is one month old and already dead.

The moral of the story is WHAT THE FUCK THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN GUYS

Oh dear...I'm...I don't know what to say...I'm sorry, man...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 12 Oct 2007, 10:03
The bad news- you broke your guitar.  The good news- Gibson-style headstocks are easier to repair than any other because of their "paddle" shape,  provided you saved the pieces, and the thing just cracked through, instead of being smashed to smithereens.  If that's the case, you can generally do the fix at home, or most repair shops will do it for about $100 without a refinish.  It's basically just a glue job with some clamps. This is all provided the crack is in the head stock, and not where the headstock meets the neck joint.  If it is, it's still reapairable, but they have dig out channels and inlay some strips of wood to reinforce the headstock, which can be a little pricier.  

Many, many Gibsons snap at the headstock because of the angle at which they are set.  Many, many Gibsons are repaired after the break and never have problems again.  Just type in "Gibson SG headstock crack" in google and you'll see tons of them.  
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 12 Oct 2007, 10:25
I recently bought a Behringer 4210 combo for my bass.   I had been wanting to downsize for some time, but never dreamed I'd buy a Behringer.  It was a surprisingly nice sounding amp for almost no money. 

So did it stop working yet? Give it a few days.
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Actually, by "recently" I mean about a year and a half ago- and its running strong as can be.  The speakers sucked, and I took it to a shop to have it professionally braced, but other than that it's fine.  I've played with several other bassists who use the stand alone head that's in my model and they love love it.  Sound guys and the engineer on my last recording loved the balanced DI, although I usually ask to be mic'd as well, and in smaller clubs I have enough power to get over the band and audience. While they're not the most consistent company in the world, they can occasionally make a good product, and this is one.


I didn't even know bassists used picks!

That's because we don't.
[/quote]

I am personally not a fan of the pick at all, but i wouldn't tell anyone they are doing something improper by using one.   In bands like Shiner and the Jesus Lizard, the attack that is created with a pick works for the sound they're going for.  If you are experienced, however, you can get that same sound with your fingers just by altering your hand position and how hard you play. The real drawback to a pick is that you give up a lot of the versatility that playing with your fingers provides. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Misereatur on 12 Oct 2007, 10:53
I actually agree with you on the pick thing. That was just a personal joke.

As for amps, I might be buying a little Mark Bass amp soon and getting rid of my Fender amp. About time, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Oct 2007, 13:51
Many, many Gibsons snap at the headstock because of the angle at which they are set.  Many, many Gibsons are repaired after the break and never have problems again.  Just type in "Gibson SG headstock crack" in google and you'll see tons of them.  

Hm, that's good information to have. Maybe the next time I buy a Gibson (unlikely, at this rate) then I'll just *intentionally break that shit* and have it repaired and it'll never be dickish again.

EDIT: Fuck, it's at the head-to-neck transition area... thank GOD this is still under warranty. They might as well replace it. Wish I could keep the pickups though...

And thanks for the well wishes, you guys. I'm not in the best state right now. That was ALL my money from this summer and I am really upset about it, so thanks.

EDIT EDIT: fuck no more booze, that took too long to type
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 Oct 2007, 15:06
Shit dude, my condolences. But yeah I've seen a fair bit of Gibsons snap at the headstock, and it's totally fixable.

(Though getting it replaced would prolly be nicer)

Phaedra, just go to the right shop. As I said before, large warehouse music chains (Sam Ash, Guitar Center) pay by commission, so the employees won't care nearly as much that you get the instrument that's right for you. They'll try to sell you something expensive, and if you say no, they'll sell you some cheap crap. They're also intimidating places to try things out if you're new to your instrument, 'cause you'll have 6 or 7 people around you shredding and playing Stairway To Heaven (what's the bass equivalent??).

So check out your local music shop- they're really nice about you trying everything out, even if it takes an hour or two for you to find the right instrument. They'll set your bass up for you (make sure it's properly stringed, action [the distance between the strings and the fretboard. If you're new, you want the action lower because you haven't built up the finger strength needed to press the strings down hard yet] suits you, it's in tune) and sign off on everything before you go home so you don't wind up with a ton of expensive crap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 12 Oct 2007, 15:07
Try ampeg, fender, behringer, ashdown, gallien-krueger, SWR, fender, etc..

Are you implying something sir?  :]

That I'm haphazard with my posts?

Actually, I'm not huge on fender for bass amps.  I love the guitar amps, though.  I recently bought a Behringer 4210 combo for my bass.   I had been wanting to downsize for some time, but never dreamed I'd buy a Behringer.  It was a surprisingly nice sounding amp for almost no money. I put in some Emenince 10s in to replace the crappy Bugeras, and did away with my huge Ampeg fullstack.  400 watts, tube preamp, full eq, and a balanced DI for less than $400.  Amazing.

Just to add to the cool picture post- I just ordered this '81 Ibanez Roadstar refin with original old school DiMarzios -

(http://www.diamondstrings.com/ibanez%20roadstar%20nat-1.jpg)

What a fabulous specimen.

How much did he cost you? Do they have him in ginger? I could put him to work in my garden.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 12 Oct 2007, 17:13
"What a fabulous specimen.  How much did he cost you? Do they have him in ginger? I could put him to work in my garden."

Yeah, they would only sell the bass, not the child labor.  I found out when I asked the shop owner to poke holes in the shipping box.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Oct 2007, 12:58
...good news, guys, for both me and all of you. Their customer service department is all kinds of accomodating. They said as soon as I get back to the U.S. (December) I can call their 800 number and talk to them about getting my shit replaced.

<3 <3 <3, you guys.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: muteKi on 13 Oct 2007, 20:51
Phaedra, just go to the right shop. As I said before, large warehouse music chains (Sam Ash, Guitar Center) pay by commission, so the employees won't care nearly as much that you get the instrument that's right for you. They'll try to sell you something expensive, and if you say no, they'll sell you some cheap crap. They're also intimidating places to try things out if you're new to your instrument, 'cause you'll have 6 or 7 people around you shredding and playing Stairway To Heaven (what's the bass equivalent??).

I have a lick that's based on the special stage theme from Sonic 2 (yes, I'm a nerd) that I like to play when it comes to stuff like bass shredding.
UPTEMPO JAZZ FTW
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 23 Oct 2007, 20:38
Thanks again for all the advice, people. :-D
But sadly it seems my plans for learning bass will have to be put on hold indefinitely, thanks to screwing my wrist up. Le sigh...

KimJong, glad to hear it. Hope all goes well with it in December!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 23 Oct 2007, 21:39
No way, I think it'd be a great form of physical therapy. And easy to motivate yourself with. Build up the strength in your wrist and fingers while rokking out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Oct 2007, 04:38
I'm considering a new guitar, honestly.

What should it be, a new Gibson, or a nice seven-string?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Oct 2007, 04:50
I did some research and it turns out that headstock breaks like mine are about as common on Gibson guitars as fleas on cougars, so be prepared for it if you get one and register for your warranty as soon as you get the guitar home.

Otherwise, they're brilliant guitars. They sound incredible, they look good, they age nicely (although a beat-up Gibson isn't as good-looking as a beat-up Fender), and if you're getting a semi-hollow, you are GOING to get gorgeous feedback.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Oct 2007, 04:58
Since i said I was considering ANOTHER guitar, I know full well they're brilliant guitars ;)

It's just which one I should choose :/ That's the hard part.

I do own a semi-hollow, but I don't use feedback at all. Maybe for a bit of sustain during solos, but that's it. My style doesn't need it, otherwise. With that said, my Les Paul sustains for days without the feedback anyways, so I'll be fine ;)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 24 Oct 2007, 05:17
Lummer,
I think it's about time, that you kicked it up yet another notch.
http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG2228 (http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG2228)

Sure it's pretty ugly, but imagine the added metal cred.

On second thoughts, if you wanted to add some interesting sounds to your set up, look into a guitar synth pickup.
And some form of synth module.
Imagine having some dirty electro lead doubling your guitar line.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Oct 2007, 05:21
What's your style? I may/may not bet able to help you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Oct 2007, 07:17
My style for my band, is a sort of southern boogie-rock/blues/slugde-metal thing. So as a result of that, a Gibson is the way to go.

Other than that, I am also considering either an Ibanez RG1527, a used RG7620 or maybe even a Schecter.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Oct 2007, 14:38
Gibson definitely fits that whole thing very well, especially the blues and sludge metal parts. For bonus blues justice, I'd say something with P-90s, and don't be too stingy on the distortion and treble/mids on your amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 25 Oct 2007, 09:26
I did some research and it turns out that headstock breaks like mine are about as common on Gibson guitars as fleas on cougars, so be prepared for it if you get one and register for your warranty as soon as you get the guitar home.

And I must point out here...

I DID TELL HIM THIS AT THE TIME.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 25 Oct 2007, 12:17
Hush, you. Now I have to go make my retort-post useful, thanks! ;)

I am a pretty big fan of the "get a shitty Ibanez acoustic, fix up the bridge for proper intonation, and mount a humbucker on it" idea. Of course, you have to get a soundhole cover to prevent (or at least dampen) ear-raping feedback, but meh, details.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: anditsdiscontents on 26 Oct 2007, 07:24

Secondhand Spector NS-4. AU$650 from The Bass Player, Annandale, Sydney.


(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v78/243/86/590220495/n590220495_61633_330.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 26 Oct 2007, 21:21
For anyone vaguely interested in my quest to learn the bass, I'm having an ultrasound on my wrist next week so hopefully I'll find out what's wrong with the damn thing.
In the meantime, I spent yesterday sussing out a few music stores around here. Good lord, music shop workers are a weird breed...Most of them seemed to take the request for advice as an opportunity to show off their own playing skills, and one of them was hellbent on selling me a Squier, for some reason, even after I'd expressed some doubt at this suggestion.
I think I have my heart set on a Fender Jazz...but this thing was kind of sexy-lookin', too: http://www.therockinn.com/inventory.cfm?Cat_ID=6&Man_ID=5&Inv_ID=145
No idea how it plays, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 26 Oct 2007, 21:32
Hehe, Beatle bass.

I'd tell you to go for a Hofner (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Hofner-Icon-Series-Vintage-Bass?sku=511788) if you're getting one of these, but they're all priced out the ass except the one linked, which is too cheap to play well. (Hofner was the company that made the original Beatle basses)

I'd say a Jazz is a pretty good selection.

Good luck with your ultrasound. Hope you get to play soon.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: thestyxcrossing on 27 Oct 2007, 00:42
Right now I'm playing an Epiphone G-400, cherry finish. I'm still fairly new to the instrument but I've gotten to the point where I wanna start refining my sound, and I'm guessing my first step would be to invest in something more than a 15watt tube practice amp...and I'd like to start looking into pedals. It just sucks cuz I really don't know much about amps and pedals, or at least not enough to know what I'm looking for. Any ideas guys?

I like to think my style is kind of folky/classic rock inspired indie...if you can imagine that. Sort of...Shins meets Portugal. The Man...? Or Zep meets Modest Mouse? I'm not quite sure how to describe it...I like playing clean but I like to distort at points to add that cutting force, never too extremely though. I guess basically I want a sound that sounds clean and classic, but leaves room for those times where I want to shred.

Any suggestions of what I should be looking for as far as amps and pedals go?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 27 Oct 2007, 07:43
Amp - Fender Deluxe Reverb. Hands down. Start saving up.

For distortion, just get a RAT. It's the only pedal you'll need.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Oct 2007, 07:50
Right now I'm using a Marshall Guv'nor 2 and an E-H Nanomuff for distortion. The latter is a pretty good pedal, but I'd recommend the full-on Big Muff Pi, as the nano only has a volume control (seriously). I just bought it cos it was cheap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 27 Oct 2007, 18:33
Three most common distortion pedals are the Ibanez Tube Screamer, Electro-Harmonix Big Muff, and ProCo RAT.

If you want overdriven, pseudo-fuzzy classic rock go for the Ibanez TS-808. Though the re-issues kinda suck and aren't nearly as good as the vintage ones, IMHO.

If you want anything from KISS to the Smashing Pumpkins, go for a Big Muff. Thick, heavy, hi-gain distortion. But be warned, it'll hijack your sound. Any guitar through a Big Muff through any amp will sound about the same. So it gets boring fast.

The RAT will give you a wide range of tones. It has a really nice, fluid distortion that lets your guitar's natural tone shine through, but you can Rokk The Fuck Out (TM) with it too.

Then there are a ton of lesser known and/or boutique pedals. There's no science there except playing through them and figuring out whether or not you like the result. Head down to a local guitar shop that isn't Sam Ash or Guitar Center. They'll have a much better chance of having them in stock and they'll be nice about letting you try them out.

P.S. The Voodoo Labs Superfuzz (bit of a misnomer, it doesn't have the least bit of fuzz in it) makes a fucking great distortion pedal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Oct 2007, 19:09
Hello all. I want a bass distortion/overdrive pedal. Do I have to use specific bass FX or can a guitar one just do the job? I know the frequencies will be different, but I like a lot of high and mid in my bass tone anyway.

I'm looking for a pedal that can get me close to Peter Hook, and/or the bass player in 'Eternal Life' by Jeff Buckley. The bass tone in the latter blows me away.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 27 Oct 2007, 19:25
Check out BlackBox Effects (http://www.blackboxmusicfx.com/). Their pedals are specifically designed to sound just as good with instruments other than guitar as with guitar (bass, synth, anything else you can plug in to a 1/4 jack).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: thestyxcrossing on 27 Oct 2007, 22:09
Three most common distortion pedals are the Ibanez Tube Screamer, Electro-Harmonix Big Muff, and ProCo RAT.

If you want overdriven, pseudo-fuzzy classic rock go for the Ibanez TS-808. Though the re-issues kinda suck and aren't nearly as good as the vintage ones, IMHO.

If you want anything from KISS to the Smashing Pumpkins, go for a Big Muff. But be warned, it'll hijack your sound. Any guitar through a Big Muff through any amp will sound about the same. So it gets boring fast.

The RAT will give you a wide range of tones. It has a really nice, fluid distortion that lets your guitar's natural tone shine through, but you can Rokk The Fuck Out (TM) with it too.

Then there are a ton of lesser known and/or boutique pedals. There's no science there except playing through them and figuring out whether or not you like the result. Head down to a local guitar shop that isn't Sam Ash or Guitar Center. They'll have a much better chance of having them in stock and they'll be nice about letting you try them out.

P.S. The Voodoo Labs Superfuzz (bit of a misnomer, it doesn't have the least bit of fuzz in it) makes a fucking great distortion pedal.

Thanks Ballard. I appreciate the differentiations. I'll probably start looking into the RAT since I'm looking for some variety. There's several local shops around where I'm at so I'm gonna bring it in and try em out.

And thanks for the other suggestions everyone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Felix on 28 Oct 2007, 18:12
A friend of mine came in the other day with a "Léro" guitar. I have found only two things about this brand : it's probably from the 70s and it's a Korean imitation of a Les Paul. Sounds decent, doesn't play bad, I like it.  I doubt it's worth something big, but does anyone here ever heard about Léros ?



As for distortion pedals, I bought a Double Muff this summer. I really wanted a Big Muff, but like Ballard said, it always sounds the same. The Double Muff has two channels, (Ch 1 Overdrive, serves as a volume boost for channel 2nd, and CH 2 well, kinda like the Big Muff) and a lil' (very lil') switch to choose the channel you want. Unfortunately you can't switch with your foot, which is kind of sucky, but I rarely need to do so. Also, it's cheaper than the Big Muff.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sombrasoubrette on 31 Oct 2007, 14:57
Boyfriend + guitar (it's some sort of Ibanez, I'm not sure)

(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v122/216/44/1223851677/n1223851677_30565045_6659.jpg)

Mine (also an Ibanez, from the Artwood series)

(http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v122/216/44/1223851677/n1223851677_30555660_7814.jpg)

It's big but it makes a REALLY nice sound.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 31 Oct 2007, 21:47
Is it wrong not to love Ibanez acoustics?  I like them, I just don't love them.  I really love Taylors though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Oct 2007, 21:58
This (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-AEF37E-AcousticElectric-Guitar-with-Onboard-Tuner?sku=512481) one is pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Nov 2007, 12:31
I don't even -like- Ibanez acoustics. In fact, I don't like most Ibanez that I've played AT ALL. The tone doesn't work for me. I don't like "singing" tones from my guitar. If I'm playing single-coil instruments (like my hardtail Squier Bullet, which I adore), I like a bright snap. If I'm playing humbucker instruments, I like an angry snarl (my SG was built for PURE ROKK, God rest her). And if I'm playing an acoustic, I like one of two sounds. Either it's bright and light-sounding, or it's dark, heavy and mellow.

Maybe I'm just not playing the right Ibanez (or an elitist asshole), but I've never found one that gives me a sound I like, no matter what settings I'm using on any amp I've played one through.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sombrasoubrette on 02 Nov 2007, 18:51
it's dark, heavy and mellow.

Mine makes a pretty dark, heavy, mellow sound. The huge body helps.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 03 Nov 2007, 10:21
Maybe I'm just not playing the right Ibanez (or an elitist asshole), but I've never found one that gives me a sound I like, no matter what settings I'm using on any amp I've played one through.

I strongly suspect you haven't played the right one yet.
The place where Ibanez cuts corners, is ALWAYS the pickups, which is why even their Prestige models come with the "kinda-okay-at-times-but-still-shitty" Ibanez stock pickups. If you've never played one in a store, that appealed to you, the pickups are probably the reason.

Slap a set of decent (yes, even decent will do) pickups in one, and it's like you have an entirely different guitar.

I can honestly say, that my RG1570 with DiMarzio Breed pickups (who are by no means the greatest pups ever), screams, snarls, chugs and whispers with the best of them. Try and get hold of a used Ibby with DiMarzio's, then you'll most likely be amazed :)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 03 Nov 2007, 16:44
DiMarzio

I've been meaning to look and see if DiMarzio makes pickups like their TwangKing Tele pickups, but for Strats. My friend put TwangKings in his Warmoth Telecaster, and I couldn't stop fapping for like 3 weeks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 04 Nov 2007, 08:22
One of my mandolin strings broke. I now have a two-inch gash on my hand. Owweee.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Nov 2007, 20:36
>.<
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 05 Nov 2007, 04:31
I've been playing more slide than normal lately.
I'm thinking of starting a rootsy duo, something like xavier rudd, or john butler.

Should i,
A. get a decent acoustic.
B. get a wiessenborn.
C. get a dobro.
D. get something else.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Nov 2007, 05:13
I'm a fan of dobros. I propose E. all of the above.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Nov 2007, 07:07
I'd say decent acoustic over a dobro, though both are a good choice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 05 Nov 2007, 07:57
Dobro for the win.  Although I really like acoustics.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Nov 2007, 14:54
I'd say decent acoustic over a dobro, though both are a good choice.

I'd say about 80/20 here. The acoustic can be used in pretty much any context you put it in. You might get another bright idea some day, where the Dobro doesn't fit.

The ideal solution is of course to buy it all. It rocks to have a varied "palette" :)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Nov 2007, 17:20
GUYS HOLY FUCK LISTEN TO THE SOUND SAMPLES OF THIS

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Hiwatt-CTE-Custom-Tape-Echo?sku=152500

I WANT THIS SO BADDDDD OMG *UNF UNF UNF UNF*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 05 Nov 2007, 20:33
Looks like the dobro is winning, and i should have mentioned i do already have an acoustic, but its kind of shit, and not an electric acoustic.
There are these really nice matons I've been looking at.

But I'm also leaning more towards the dobro, just with a bit of what Lummer mentioned of it not really fitting in much.



Also KimJongSick, if it's not a WEM copycat or a Space Echo, its not worth it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: corwinzor on 06 Nov 2007, 11:31
That's a nice guitar!

I play a Danelectro U2 1956 reissue. It's kind of a salmony color, so it's like playing a dreamsicle. It was a great buy- I bought it used for $200 about 4 years ago and it hasn't needed any repairs. Really nice, rich, vintage tones. I've been playing it through a Fender Bassman tube amp lately.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Nov 2007, 11:41
How's the Bassman? I've been running down my list of possible new amps, and the reissue is there (also a Fender Hot Rod Deville 2x12, Vox AC30CC, and an Orange Tiny Terror + 2x12). Any decent distortion on its own, or would I be better off with pedals?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 06 Nov 2007, 18:16
Funny, I've been trying to decide between an Orange Tiny Terror + PPC112, a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe or DeVille.

I just played through the latter two today with no pedals and they sounded fucking rad. I have yet to play through a Tiny Terror, but Orange is known for their great hi-gain tones, so it should be great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 07 Nov 2007, 02:18
Both of you need an Orange Tiny Terror. Really, you do.

This is not because i've tried one, but because I've tried to get Fender amps to sound good distorted. And that, my friends, is absolutely impossible unless you have some absurdly good boutique pedals. The Orange may have the same cleans as a fender, though. Fender amps do have very good clean sounds, so if you need that the most, go for that. I wouldn't touch those things with a ten-foot pole, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 07 Nov 2007, 06:41
It's basically fact that Fender amps, without the aid of stompboxes, are terrible for metal. I got a great distorted tone out of them, but it was lighter than required for metal music.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Nov 2007, 07:05
Maybe I'll just get the Tiny Terror and a Deville.

I mean my great-aunt was pretty damned rich, right? ...>>
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Nov 2007, 08:51
Get me that goddamn tape delay dude.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Nov 2007, 08:58
Find Ted Leo's broken one and fix it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Nov 2007, 11:16
That's a vintage Echoplex! Do you know how much it would cost to fix that thing?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 07 Nov 2007, 15:04
That's a vintage Echoplex! Do you know how much it costs?

Fixed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 11 Nov 2007, 22:15
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/TehLetterM/36b53d11.jpg)

A red 1980 Fender Lead II. Yes, I am a Mission of Burma fan. Has held up better than my old POS squier strat.

the old Fender Lead-series guitars kick alot of ass.

i lust after a Lead I with a rosewood fingerboard and i do not care what colour it is!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Nov 2007, 05:21
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-DD20-Giga-Delay?sku=151305

I'm getting one of these for Christmas. It's Boss's answer to the Space Echo (they seriously have everything in common, the layout just looks different).

Also, that Fender Lead is beautiful and I want to marry it. I also want to get that P-90 bearing 22-fret semi-hollow that they've got. It's like $600 and is the perfect answer to the SG. Too bad nobody even notices them, so they'll probably get discontinued.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 12 Nov 2007, 19:45
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-DD20-Giga-Delay?sku=151305

I'm getting one of these for Christmas. It's Boss's answer to the Space Echo (they seriously have everything in common, the layout just looks different).

I have a giga delay, its good fun.

But i would have to say, boss's answer to the space echo would be this one.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-RE20-Space-Echo-DelayReverb-Pedal?sku=152267
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: lyra on 12 Nov 2007, 19:52
gibson's robot guitar (it tunes itself!?!?): http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/


(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/11/robot_guitar.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 12 Nov 2007, 19:55
I play a Danelectro U2 1956 reissue. It's kind of a salmony color, so it's like playing a dreamsicle. It was a great buy- I bought it used for $200 about 4 years ago and it hasn't needed any repairs. Really nice, rich, vintage tones. I've been playing it through a Fender Bassman tube amp lately.

Hopefully I will soon have enough money saved for a Dano U1 re-issue in PURPLE.  It is at my favorite used guitar place and I want it.  I hope to play it through a Fender Champion 600.

How's the Bassman? I've been running down my list of possible new amps, and the reissue is there (also a Fender Hot Rod Deville 2x12, Vox AC30CC, and an Orange Tiny Terror + 2x12). Any decent distortion on its own, or would I be better off with pedals?

My friend (and frequent jam-cohort) leaves his vintage Bassman head and Fender cab in my basement.  I can't speak for the re-issue, but going off of my experiences with his Bassman you're gonna need a nice distortion pedal.  It gets really great clean tone though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Nov 2007, 20:43
Yeah, most Fender amps have a pretty boring distortion.  Well, the solid state ones anyways.  I haven't played enough of the tube ones to really judge them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 Nov 2007, 20:53
The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and DeVille both have great overdriven tones. More than enough for punk or classic rock. As previously stated, though, Fender amps sans pedals suck for metal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 12 Nov 2007, 23:16
The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and DeVille both have great overdriven tones. More than enough for punk or classic rock. As previously stated, though, Fender amps sans pedals suck for metal.

but those amps also have a tendency to vibrate themself into failure if you play them loud very often.

and by loud i mean anything above conversation level.  ;)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Nov 2007, 05:26
More than enough for punk

See guys, THIS was the answer I was looking for. o/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Nov 2007, 08:22
Also, that Fender Lead is beautiful and I want to marry it. I also want to get that P-90 bearing 22-fret semi-hollow that they've got. It's like $600 and is the perfect answer to the SG. Too bad nobody even notices them, so they'll probably get discontinued.

Sadly, I'd think so. Fender axed production on the Cyclones and Toronados for this year.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bishop138 on 13 Nov 2007, 09:03
I have a Jackson Pro DK2M Dinky. I got it second hand and it sounds pretty fucking sweet, the tuning process is a bitch though. I also have a cheapish classical guitar.

I want to get a bass, preferrably a five string. I've been looking at some cheaper ones, like an ESP B-55 or a five stringer from OLP that I had a play around on at the music store.

I need my own amp, I've just been using my mate's for ages and it's a pretty shitty amp, but it's decent for the price he got it. I was thinking of just getting one of those orange cube ones, I think they're just called Micro Cubes or something, anyone know much about them? They're made by Roland, I'm unsure about their quality.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Nov 2007, 09:05
Righto. The Micro-Cube is made by Roland. I think Orange's is called the "Micro Crush"?

I dunno. I've heard a lot of good things about the Rolands, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 09:07
See guys, THIS was the answer I was looking for. o/

\o

When Tommy was here, we went to see a couple of punk bands play. One guy was using a Tele through what I think was an Orange Rockerverb combo, or maybe a Rocker 30. He sounded great (untill his amp blew out the portable generator they were using to power a show in the park).

I also want to get that P-90 bearing 22-fret semi-hollow that they've got. It's like $600 and is the perfect answer to the SG. Too bad nobody even notices them, so they'll probably get discontinued.

If you mean the Thinline Tele (it's semi-hollow with P-90s), it's actually pretty popular. I know at least 4 people who have one just in my circle of acquaintances.

but those amps also have a tendency to vibrate themself into failure if you play them loud very often.

and by loud i mean anything above conversation level.  ;)

First time I've ever heard this complaint, and I've been reading up on them lately. Explain please?

I was thinking of just getting one of those orange cube ones, I think they're just called Micro Cubes or something, anyone know much about them? They're made by Roland, I'm unsure about their quality.

They're small and they're solid-state, but on a budget they're fucking great. I don't know anyone who bought one and was unhappy with it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bishop138 on 13 Nov 2007, 09:27
Righto. The Micro-Cube is made by Roland. I think Orange's is called the "Micro Crush"?

I dunno. I've heard a lot of good things about the Rolands, though.

Hehe, yeah, I was just describing the colour, I would have had a capital O otherwise. Thanks though.

I was thinking of just getting one of those orange cube ones, I think they're just called Micro Cubes or something, anyone know much about them? They're made by Roland, I'm unsure about their quality.

They're small and they're solid-state, but on a budget they're fucking great. I don't know anyone who bought one and was unhappy with it.

Cool, coz I need to look into a second job before getting one bigger really. Thanks, that helps.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Nov 2007, 10:12
I'm looking into buying a whole new setup. Right now, I'm pretty set on getting a Fender '62 Jazzmaster, a Peavy Windsor Half-stack, and some effect pedals (probably a Voodoo Labs Superfuzz and a Boss Digital Delay pedal, possibly a reverb pedal if the amp doesn't have a built-in reverb effect).

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Nov 2007, 11:47
If you mean the Thinline Tele (it's semi-hollow with P-90s), it's actually pretty popular. I know at least 4 people who have one just in my circle of acquaintances.

I was under the impression he was talking about the TC-90. Patrick, y/n?

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/6/3/2/374632.jpg)


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 11:59
Yeah, the TC-90 Thinline Telecaster.

Note the Tele shape and headstock.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2007, 12:57
I think you might need an eye exam, dude, that may have a Tele neck but it sure ain't like any Tele I've ever seen.

I would make out with that thing in an instant if it turned into a female human.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Nov 2007, 13:00
Dude, it's the same shape, but with another cutaway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2007, 14:57
Bottom horn is too long to be Telecaster and the whole body isn't wide enough.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 15:16
Yeah, that's why it's a Thinline Tele. It's more slender and semi-hollow.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Nov 2007, 16:58
Well, You can't go wrong with a good Les Paul. That applies to everyone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 13 Nov 2007, 18:01
GUYS

(http://www.twintown.com/assets/image_database/images/1151.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 19:23
Dano double-neck?

Fuckin' SWEET.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2007, 19:48
*FAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAP*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 19:52
Man, every time I read your signature it reminds me of Moonie.

Is that who it's referring to?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2007, 19:57
I don't remember, it's been a while, heh.

Also, I know there's already that "lol new gibson self-tuning guitar" thread, but I figure it's worth mentioning. I don't want to have to think about how utterly uninspiring that is, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Nov 2007, 20:08
Now that you can get Danos with proper bridges, they're pretty tempting. The guy in the Poster Children gets an INSANE guitar tone with a Dano, a HiWatt, and a Boss OD-2.

And as far as Ibanez guitars go, I cannot say enough good things about even a cheaper Ibanez with a couple Seymour Duncan pickups in it. I put a JB in an old RG I had back in college and the damn thing sounded as good as my McCarty.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2007, 20:37
Dude, what guitars HAVEN'T you played? I bet you have a guitar lying around somewhere that was owned by Jimmy Page, slobbered on by Clapton, lit on fire by Hendrix, and covered in sweat-grease by everybody who has ever played guitar for John Mayall.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Nov 2007, 20:49
I have owned probably 12-15 different guitars at various points in my life. Right now I've got four guitars (two PRS, one ESP, one Gibson) and a bass (shit-ass-old Spector import).

They are basically what I used to spend all my money on.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 20:50
Holy shit Jeph is Dweezil Zappa?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 14 Nov 2007, 03:07
Registered just so I could take part in this thread.

So many awesome guitars, I'm in shock :P

(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/682/img015zm6.th.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img015zm6.jpg)

This is mine, a Fender Highway 1 (I know... not much cashflow going through here) made in USA, with Custom Shop '69 pickups, and the black pickguard, gibson SG buttons you see.

I like it a lot, in retrospective, maybe I should have got a RW neck, but I really liked it.

Soon, I'll be able to afford my dream gear. Fender Twin Reverb, and a Gibson ES-335. :)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: SilentJ on 14 Nov 2007, 05:10
ZOMG HAY GUISE I GOTS A SQIUER STRAT OLOL

Seriously though it was my first guitar and I still like it for some strange reason.

The two even semi-good guitars I've got are a Takamine G334 (discontinued, I feel special) and an Epiphone Les Paul Standard.

the Takamine is purely acoustic, so once I get the funds I'm looking into a Seagull acoustic/electric.  After that though, I'm thinking a PRS would be a solid investment.  My guitar reacher got sponsored by PRS last year, so he may/may not be getting a signature model sometime soon-ish.  If he does I swear I might get one free, or at least reeeeeally cheap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Nov 2007, 06:56
Hah, yes. My first electric was a Squier Bullet. I'm planning on rebuilding it eventually. The body's all beat to shit and currently covered almost 100% with duct tape. I need to get a new bridge, pickguard, tuners, and a humbucker.

Speaking of PRS, I'm kinda really liking their new "Mira". Hmmmn.

http://prsguitars.com/mira/index.html
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 14 Nov 2007, 07:37
Registered just so I could take part in this thread.

Nice!

P.S. Welcome and stuff.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Nov 2007, 10:49
ZOMG HAY GUISE I GOTS A SQIUER STRAT OLOL

Seriously though it was my first guitar and I still like it for some strange reason.

I could go on forever and ever on how much I love Squier. I have a Squier Bullet (the now-discontinued hardtail-only one) and it still is one of my absolute favourite guitars. Maybe it's just the fact that I'm playing her through a Marshall (Fender/Squier and Marshall go together like football players and cheerleaders) but I absolutely adore the sounds I get out of her.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Nov 2007, 11:20
My new plan of attack:

I was looking at old Danelectros and Silvertones (both Dano and Kaye-made) on eBay before my last class, and some of them are on the very damn inexpensive side. I may hoard any money I get for the holidays and buy one of these.

Seriously. Goddamn.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1962-Silvertone-1448-Guitar-Amp-in-Case_W0QQitemZ230189536750QQihZ013QQcategoryZ119094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Nov 2007, 12:27
Kay guitars? Come on dude, don't tempt me. Now I have to post pics of my '53 Kay acoustic.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2459.jpg)

Also, thanks, now I'm looking at Silvertone stuff on Ebay and if I buy anything it will send me into debt. DON'T DO THESE THINGS TO ME, IT'S NOT NICE
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Nov 2007, 12:43
I'll probably be getting me a Schecter C7 Blackjack soon.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Kai on 14 Nov 2007, 15:21
my first guitar was a really old DanElectro. It is pretty much hells of awesome.

I also play a Strat.

I don't have any money for anything else.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 14 Nov 2007, 17:04
So, I've been wondering.

I play mostly funk, mellow chords, with clean sound, and a hint of reverb.

I was on a budget, and I needed some stuff fast, so I bought a Crate Stack amp (can't remember the reference) and a Boss GT-8 pedal (I know, what the fuck was I thinking).

Right about now, I'm fed up with that crap, and I -know- I'm not taking advantage of my Custom shop PU's. Also, I don't use 1/20th of the stuff the GT-8 has.

So, what amps, effect pedals do you recommend?

I was thinking a Fender Twin Reverb, and a Boss Delay pedal, and perhaps a Ibanez Tube Screamer for the distortion here and there (and of course a Boss Chromatic Tuner).

Down the road, I wanted to get a hollowbody guitar, so I was thinking on acquiring a Gibson ES-335, preferrably vintage, if I can afford it.


Whatcha guys think?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Nov 2007, 17:11
Hah, yes. My first electric was a Squier Bullet. I'm planning on rebuilding it eventually. The body's all beat to shit and currently covered almost 100% with duct tape. I need to get a new bridge, pickguard, tuners, and a humbucker.

Speaking of PRS, I'm kinda really liking their new "Mira". Hmmmn.

http://prsguitars.com/mira/index.html

The Mira looks very cool. I'd seriously want one if my Standard 24 wasn't basically the exact same guitar only with a trem and different pickups.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Nov 2007, 17:14
So, I've been wondering.

I play mostly funk, mellow chords, with clean sound, and a hint of reverb.

I was on a budget, and I needed some stuff fast, so I bought a Crate Stack amp (can't remember the reference) and a Boss GT-8 pedal (I know, what the fuck was I thinking).

Right about now, I'm fed up with that crap, and I -know- I'm not taking advantage of my Custom shop PU's. Also, I don't use 1/20th of the stuff the GT-8 has.

So, what amps, effect pedals do you recommend?

I was thinking a Fender Twin Reverb, and a Boss Delay pedal, and perhaps a Ibanez Tube Screamer for the distortion here and there (and of course a Boss Chromatic Tuner).

Down the road, I wanted to get a hollowbody guitar, so I was thinking on acquiring a Gibson ES-335, preferrably vintage, if I can afford it.


Whatcha guys think?

I say Fender are probably a good idea, possibly Orange amps as well. Aside from that all I can do is say go and play some damn amps.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Nov 2007, 17:52
A truly vintage 335 costs more than a decent car, these days.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 14 Nov 2007, 18:18
A truly vintage 335 costs more than a decent car, these days.


Tell me about it. Selling my car for that guitar crossed my mind more than once haha. Too bad I can't ride my vintage Gibson to college heh.


P.S.: omgwhutufux hi Jeph, recent poster, been reading your comic since... well, strip 50 or so. Love it :D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 14 Nov 2007, 19:09
My friend managed to pick up an older Epiphone ES-335 for about $250.  It's fairly beat to shit but we love it because it has a gorgeous bigsby.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 14 Nov 2007, 20:16
A truly vintage 335 costs more than a decent car, these days.

I think they're worth more than cars.  The only thing guitars expel into the environment is love.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Nov 2007, 03:35
I'll drink to that, New Person!

Also, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT TELLING ME HOW BEAUTIFUL MY KAY IS. HOP TO IT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Nov 2007, 07:08
Pff, not only love, you hippie. Guitars expel an unhealthy, potentially-damaging amount of ROKK.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Nov 2007, 08:01
I'll drink to that, New Person!

Also, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT TELLING ME HOW BEAUTIFUL MY KAY IS. HOP TO IT.

*shrug* I guess I find acoustic guitars boring. They pretty much all look the same and have a big hole in the middle.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 15 Nov 2007, 08:03
Now that you can get Danos with proper bridges, they're pretty tempting. The guy in the Poster Children gets an INSANE guitar tone with a Dano, a HiWatt, and a Boss OD-2.

My new plan of attack:

I was looking at old Danelectros and Silvertones (both Dano and Kaye-made) on eBay before my last class, and some of them are on the very damn inexpensive side. I may hoard any money I get for the holidays and buy one of these.

Seriously. Goddamn.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1962-Silvertone-1448-Guitar-Amp-in-Case_W0QQitemZ230189536750QQihZ013QQcategoryZ119094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


If you're looking for Danos - try these guys http://www.fatdawg.com

When Dano shut down in the 80's Fat Dog bought 1000's of necks and bodies, and now he sells the guitars fully put together with vintage parts and upgraded bridges for almost nothing.  They also do lots of custom Dano work with upgraded pickups, bodies, etc.  

For Fender guys, he did the same thing with the Fullerton Fender plant when it shut down, so you can get a fully assembled Fender strat with all vintage parts for about $300 made from Fender themselves.  All it lacks is the lable.  Beats a Squier, huh?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Nov 2007, 08:04
Yeah, I know about them. I might end up getting a Tele Deluxe clone from them, instead of a Fender reissue.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 15 Nov 2007, 08:32
Subway Guitars are the best. Excellent guys.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Nov 2007, 08:35
They pretty much all look the same and have a big hole

Don't feed me straight lines like that, because I WILL say "The same goes for all your girlfriends."

Also, Chad K., stop telling people about it, eventually those parts will run out and *I* will be out of options for getting a relatively inexpensive, well-made guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Nov 2007, 08:41
Man, that's some cool shit. Especially since I spend far too much time drooling over vintage Danos on eBay.

Awesome Kay, KimJongSick.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 15 Nov 2007, 08:46
They pretty much all look the same and have a big hole

Don't feed me straight lines like that, because I WILL say "The same goes for all your girlfriends."

Also, Chad K., stop telling people about it, eventually those parts will run out and *I* will be out of options for getting a relatively inexpensive, well-made guitar.

Damn, Dog, my bad.  Lots of souped-up Kay, Harmony, Silvertone and Sovereign acoustics there, too.  I have an Alvarez acoustic I'm crazy about, but I've thought about purchasing some tricked-out ginormous dreadnought acoustic from them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Nov 2007, 08:52
Hah, I'm just being a dick anyway.

And *finally* somebody gets it. Thanks Ballard!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Nov 2007, 08:55
I once played an all mahogany Alvarez.  It sounded really bright and had great tone.  If I had known about them before I bought my Washburn, I would definitely have tried to get it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Nov 2007, 09:02
They pretty much all look the same and have a big hole
Don't feed me straight lines like that, because I WILL say "The same goes for all your girlfriends."

They were all fairly cute, so I guess so.

Putting my Squier back together? I had a pure evil idea about it yesterday.

Throw one of those huge-ass Tele humbuckers in it. Mwahahaha.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 15 Nov 2007, 09:56
Wow those subway guys are frikkin' awesome.

I wonder how the Hoyer 335 they got there sounds. I fell in love with the picture, and it's only 700$. Speaking of which, do they ship internationally?

You guys recommend buying guitars made by these chaps, are they close to the original sound?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Nov 2007, 10:00
For the most part, I'd think so. They're using all the same stuff that Fender and Dano did. Haven't had a chance to play one yet, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 15 Nov 2007, 10:17
I have an Alvarez 6 string, 12-string and acoustic bass, and they've got the nicest sound.

BaneAtvar: I'd strongly recommend buying a guitar from the Subway guys, they're great to work with.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Nov 2007, 13:18
Every Thursday, I go to guitar club at my school and listen to a bunch of kids in Iron Maiden T-shirts play Metallica riffs for 45 minutes straight on their bastard Strat copies.

I basically only go cause the teacher supervisin' is a cool guy and we end up talking about 90s psych bands most of the time.

Today however, someone brought in a low-end Gretsch. Nothing fancy, an Electromatic of some sort. But that it's all it took to remind me just how gay I am for semi-hollow guitars. It was so fun playing the damn thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Nov 2007, 13:28
I have made it a goal in my life to get a semi-hollow guitar.  Maybe an Ibanez.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Nov 2007, 14:28
Semi-hollow? I think we are going to become good friends.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Nov 2007, 14:46
I'm getting my Semi-hollow back from a friend who's been borrowing it, this weekend. I am looking very much forward to that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 15 Nov 2007, 15:39
Every Thursday, I go to guitar club at my school and listen to a bunch of kids in Iron Maiden T-shirts play Metallica riffs for 45 minutes straight on their bastard Strat copies.

I basically only go cause the teacher supervisin' is a cool guy and we end up talking about 90s psych bands most of the time.

Today however, someone brought in a low-end Gretsch. Nothing fancy, an Electromatic of some sort. But that it's all it took to remind me just how gay I am for semi-hollow guitars. It was so fun playing the damn thing.

Semi-hollows are sexy. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Nov 2007, 16:46
I'm thinking of even making a homebuilt semi-hollow just so I can get a nice, healthy screech from it when I put her next to the amp. I'm thinking Bigsby trem and Gretsch roller bridge + locking tuners on a Fender neck (probably Warmoth).

If I figure out how to post a link to send money to my PayPal, will any of you do it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 15 Nov 2007, 19:24
I'll drink to that, New Person!

Also, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT TELLING ME HOW BEAUTIFUL MY KAY IS. HOP TO IT.

No no no, man.  You got it all wrong. It's a Kay.  It's not supposed to be beautiful. It's like telling somebody their beat old 50's Chevy truck is cool because its beautiful, when its actually cool because its a beat up old Chevy truck.  My old Kay, the Dirty Kay, was a '54 Rocketline beat to hell with a bad yellowed lacquer refin and a neck like a got-damn 2x4.  It sounded like the blues all on its own, and I loved it.  It started seperating at the neck, and I traded it to a knwoledgeable repair guy with some other guitars for an upright.  I still miss that guitar. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 16 Nov 2007, 02:49
My dad had a gorgeous sky blue '53 Chevy (I think '53 was just my family's year for cool shit) and I am failing to understand you. That thing was made of a steel-awesome-badass alloy, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Nov 2007, 07:01
Today however, someone brought in a low-end Gretsch. Nothing fancy, an Electromatic of some sort. But that it's all it took to remind me just how gay I am for semi-hollow guitars. It was so fun playing the damn thing.


Mmmmmm, Gretsch. I might be capable of murder if it got me a '61 Duo Jet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 18 Nov 2007, 18:21
Guys, I'm picking up a used Dano U-1 re-issue this coming Wednesday for super cheap.  The best part: it's in light purple finish.  Pictures will be posted when I get it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 18 Nov 2007, 19:12
Yeah, that's why it's a Thinline Tele. It's more slender and semi-hollow.

I didn't think the real Thinline Telecasters were any more slender. Just hollow.

I wouldn't call it a Thinline Tele because that's generally reserved for the '69 and '72 designs with the same name. Fender themselves market the TC-90 as their only "Other Guitar" (which is pretty weird, haha). See here:
http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?section=guitars&cat=otherguitars

Hollow guitars are awesome for feedback. Semi-hollows like the ES-335 are a bit more easy to get feedback with than solid bodied guitars, but the full-hollows such as the Epiphone Casino and big jazz boxes do it in a snap at pretty low volumes. I have a FuijiGen factory Japanese Epiphone Casino and it sounds fantastic. I still prefer my Fenders overall though.

(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r309/FireAarro/Offset/Epiphone%20Casino%20NAT%20Fujigen/IMG_0878.jpg?t=1195441931)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 19 Nov 2007, 11:23
The Gibson website talks about their CS-356 as a semi-hollow that "doesn't make it look like you're playing your daddy's guitar". I don't know, I just love that big ol' body. I think it looks pretty good on me. Then again, I'm pretty tall, so it's kindof flattering to have it on me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 19 Nov 2007, 15:36
A friend of mine is selling his Gibson SG Worn Cherry for peanuts. It'd be a damn shame to let that fall into the wrong hands.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 19 Nov 2007, 16:51
Why? Does he know it's value?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Nov 2007, 01:14
That bastard, he should give it to me as a replacement for my b0rked one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: kivenkantaja on 20 Nov 2007, 01:25
Oh, I totally win at this thread!  After buying my 1st second guitar I pushed myself into debt and bought another electric guitar, a bass and an acoustic, all within about 8 months.. I went a bit crazy.

Here they are

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m157/DGpr/guitarpromo/crossedsmall.jpg)

That is Skaddi and Saga (Norse Goddesses, for winter/ice and a random drinking partner of Odins) In that order

Specifically they are (L) ESP-LTD DV-8R w/ livewires and an ESP-LTD MH400NT

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m157/DGpr/guitarpromo/DSC00510.jpg)

This is Eir.  The norse goddess of Healing.  She's a Seagull something-or-other.  Seagull has weird model numbers I can never remember.  Bought her for a steal of a deal $500.  She was over looked and marked down hella-good before I snatched her up.

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m157/DGpr/gear/DSC00560.jpg)

And that's my Bass.  Hedrun.  Who's a norse-goddess of something-or-other.

She's an ESP-LTD B2005.  Ebony Fretboard, no fret-markings but the 30 year aniversary @ the 12th fret.

Sexy.. plays like a dream too.  I love Ebony.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Dizzydes on 20 Nov 2007, 07:25
sorry i don't have a photo or a digital camera (mine broke last week when i dropped it in the swamp) but my bass is warwick streamer 5 string in red finish.
but at the moment i currently looking for a jazzier bass preferably fretless any suggestions?, im leaning to a fender at the moment.
and yes i know double bass is better for jazz, but i don't have 4 grand in my back pocket.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: terriblecabbage on 20 Nov 2007, 08:57
Best picture I have at the moment, unfortunately.

(http://progsoc.org/~rhoward/public/pics/photos/house.music_corner.jpg)

It's an OLP MM2 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/OLP-MM2-4String-Bass-Guitar?sku=516050), and my first bass (or guitar for that matter). Yes, I'm a goddamn newbie. :D

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Nov 2007, 11:48
I like how he names his guitars after Norse gods and goddesses.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 20 Nov 2007, 11:51
Why? Does he know it's value?

Well, yeah. But still, friends are friends :) It's fairly well kept and i got it at half list price. Pretty good deal, I reckon!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Nov 2007, 11:57
CAN I HAVE IT PLEASE
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 20 Nov 2007, 13:25
No, I need a(nother) Gibson ;)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Nov 2007, 14:20
So do I, my only one broke :B
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 20 Nov 2007, 16:42
So, I totally fell in love with Subway's Tele* Deluxe, but I live in Portugal (freaking other side of the world) and the guy didnt answer my e-mail, so I'm very skeptical about ordering from them.

I really (-REALLY-) want a Tele with a humbucker in the bridge position, any recommendations fellas?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 20 Nov 2007, 16:49
Why? Does he know it's value?

Well, yeah. But still, friends are friends :) It's fairly well kept and i got it at half list price. Pretty good deal, I reckon!

Ohh. You didn't make clear that he was selling it to you.

Good on 'im then.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 20 Nov 2007, 16:55
Well, it IS in for a kicking, but I believe he knew that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 20 Nov 2007, 22:25
It's an OLP MM2 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/OLP-MM2-4String-Bass-Guitar?sku=516050), and my first bass (or guitar for that matter). Yes, I'm a goddamn newbie. :D



I'm a big noob too. But hey, you always remember your first, right?


Here's mine:

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a207/Xyljin/100_1939.jpg)

Yeah, I know it's gimmicky. But a wise man once said: "Fuck you, I bought it, I thought it was cool."
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Nov 2007, 03:01
Mmm, delicious. 24 frets (that you can fucking reach for once), locking nut and trem, and an attention-grabbing paint job. Gimmicky, yes, and I'm still not a fan of SuperStrats, but if I had to choose between the dime-a-dozen models of them that there are out there, I'd go for that one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 21 Nov 2007, 03:10
So, I totally fell in love with Subway's Tele* Deluxe, but I live in Portugal (freaking other side of the world) and the guy didnt answer my e-mail, so I'm very skeptical about ordering from them.

I really (-REALLY-) want a Tele with a humbucker in the bridge position, any recommendations fellas?

My pride and joy, the guitar I love most in my collection, is the '72 Telecaster Custom reissue. 'Buckers in the neck and bridge. It's got great chnk, great jangle, and if you find the right amp it has a majestic clean tone too. You can do fiery blues, a warm soloing tone, it works for metal, it works for indie, it works for prog - it just does everything I could possibly want.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: voidSkipper on 21 Nov 2007, 03:55
Yeah, I know it's gimmicky. But a wise man once said: "Fuck you, I bought it, I thought it was cool."

I never thought I'd see a Giger series Ibanez outside of the online store. Awesome paintjob, awesome artist. How's it sound?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Nov 2007, 08:15
So, I totally fell in love with Subway's Tele* Deluxe, but I live in Portugal (freaking other side of the world) and the guy didnt answer my e-mail, so I'm very skeptical about ordering from them.

I really (-REALLY-) want a Tele with a humbucker in the bridge position, any recommendations fellas?

Fender Mexican Standard + Seymour Duncan Lil' 59? It's a humbucker that's the size of a Tele bridge pickup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Nov 2007, 08:20
On that note, single coil pick-ups in humbucker form (http://www.eastwoodguitars.com) over at Eastwood Guitars. The site is built weird so I can't direct link, but they're under Accessories.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Nov 2007, 08:21
That may be the only problem I've seen with Eastwood: a kinda shitty website.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 21 Nov 2007, 08:26
So, I totally fell in love with Subway's Tele* Deluxe, but I live in Portugal (freaking other side of the world) and the guy didnt answer my e-mail, so I'm very skeptical about ordering from them.

I really (-REALLY-) want a Tele with a humbucker in the bridge position, any recommendations fellas?

Yeah, it's all over their site that they don't do emails.  It sounds crazy in this day and age, but letters or phone calls are pretty much the only way to go with them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Nov 2007, 08:30
That may be the only problem I've seen with Eastwood: a kinda shitty website.

I fucking love that they have huge pictures of all their products in all the finishes available, though.

Also, you can direct link guitars and basses if you open them in a new tab. Accessories don't have their own pages, however.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Nov 2007, 09:27
http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/classic6/images/classic6-big/classic6white.jpg

I am buying you in the spring, guy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 21 Nov 2007, 09:28
That is a sexy guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Nov 2007, 09:29
I was gonna get it in orange, but now they have it in white. Perfect for those of us who can't throw down $3500 on a White Falcon.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 21 Nov 2007, 09:52
I never thought I'd see a Giger series Ibanez outside of the online store. Awesome paintjob, awesome artist. How's it sound?

Pretty much like you would expect it to, since it's mahogany; nice and warm, plus the sustain goes on forever, despite not being the heaviest guitar I've seen. I really need to replace the pickups though. The guitar is already a couple full notches above acceptable and I'm giddy at the thought of getting some duncans or dimarzios, I just haven't pulled the trigger yet due to indecision.


Guitars like that eastwood aren't really my style (as I'm sure people have guessed by now :D), but I must admit it sure looks classy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Nov 2007, 15:00
http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/savannahDLX/savannahDLX_frm.htm

I came so hard, this is exactly the body shape, style, and bridge setup I've been looking for for AGES.

Between this and that Italia Rimini doubleneck, I don't know which I'd rather have. I have a pretty severe hard-on for a 12-string and practicality isn't a problem for doublenecks, but I've always wanted a guitar that will feed back and you can still divebomb her.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Nov 2007, 15:41
pretty severe hard-on for a 12-string

http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/nashville12/nashv12_frm.htm

Not a double-neck, but fucking gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 21 Nov 2007, 16:40
dogg if you divebomb a Bigsby expect to spend the next ten minutes retuning
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Nov 2007, 03:29
After retrofitting her with a graphite nut and locking tuners (a total of like what, $70?), the roller bridge should make it work without fault. Floyd Rose can suck it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 22 Nov 2007, 04:19
Ehh, I dunno. My experience with Bigsbys hasn't been too positive, they give me tuning hell. I dislike their general feel as well, especially the clunky vibrato arm. Give me a Jazzmaster/Jaguar vibrato system anyday. That's what I calll smooth.

The design on the model you linked is a bit different from the standard Bigsby though- more roller gadgets, different positioning of spring, and the arm looks like it'd be more comfortable, so perhaps it's an improvement. Locking tuners and graphite nut will certainly help. If you're expecting divebombs though, the Bigsbys I've tried have a downward bend range of about two semitones.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 22 Nov 2007, 07:58
My guitar player is currently rockin' this little gem-

http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=153&CollectionID=1

If you like bigsbys, this one's amazing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Nov 2007, 14:01
Give me a Jazzmaster/Jaguar vibrato system anyday. That's what I calll smooth.

Agreed, but have fun setting it up again every time you change strings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 22 Nov 2007, 21:01
http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/classic6/images/classic6-big/classic6white.jpg

I am buying you in the spring, guy.

I'm thinking of trading in my Lead II for one of these babies. Would this be a wise deal or should I save up money so I can keep both guitars?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 22 Nov 2007, 23:38
Give me a Jazzmaster/Jaguar vibrato system anyday. That's what I calll smooth.

Agreed, but have fun setting it up again every time you change strings.

Doesn't affect it unless you change string gauge. Talking about string change hell, have you ever tried changing strings on a Bigsby equipped guitar?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 23 Nov 2007, 06:58
http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/classic6/images/classic6-big/classic6white.jpg

I am buying you in the spring, guy.

I'm thinking of trading in my Lead II for one of these babies. Would this be a wise deal or should I save up money so I can keep both guitars?

Give ME the Lead. Easy enough.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 23 Nov 2007, 08:23
No screw you dude you still have an electric that's intact. Be a pal, hand 'er to me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 23 Nov 2007, 12:02
Give me a Jazzmaster/Jaguar vibrato system anyday. That's what I calll smooth.

Agreed, but have fun setting it up again every time you change strings.

Doesn't affect it unless you change string gauge. Talking about string change hell, have you ever tried changing strings on a Bigsby equipped guitar?

You people have obviously never owned a Floyd Rose-equipped guitar..

*waits for someone who used to own a Steinberger with the TransTrem system to come around and pwn me*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 25 Nov 2007, 10:22
Yeah I am a Floyd Rose fan when it comes to trem bridges. I feel like the PRS trem is the next best thing, but there's no other trem system that lets you do horrible, horrible things to your guitar like a Floyd. It has to be a well-made version though, preferably an actual Floyd Rose and not a "licensed" version- although I've heard good things about Ibanez's newer FR-style bridges.

I'm considering getting an Ibanez 7-string* sometime soon (probably the RG Prestige model) so I guess we'll see.

*I have a thing for owning guitars that used to be "cool" but are currently considered way gauche- I had a Jackson soloist back before all the new-generation metal bands re-popularized the brand. I feel like Ibanez, particularly their 7-strings, are post-hype (and more importantly post-shitty-bands-that-endorse-them) so they're probably a good buy nowadays.

Also that new 8-string guitar they're making is RIDICULOUS. You gotta admire any company willing to put THAT friggin' thing on the market.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 25 Nov 2007, 10:32
Yeah I am a Floyd Rose fan when it comes to trem bridges. I feel like the PRS trem is the next best thing, but there's no other trem system that lets you do horrible, horrible things to your guitar like a Floyd. It has to be a well-made version though, preferably an actual Floyd Rose and not a "licensed" version- although I've heard good things about Ibanez's newer FR-style bridges.

I'm considering getting an Ibanez 7-string* sometime soon (probably the RG Prestige model) so I guess we'll see.

*I have a thing for owning guitars that used to be "cool" but are currently considered way gauche†- I had a Jackson soloist back before all the new-generation metal bands re-popularized the brand. I feel like Ibanez, particularly their 7-strings, are post-hype (and more importantly post-shitty-bands-that-endorse-them) so they're probably a good buy nowadays.

Also that new 8-string guitar they're making is RIDICULOUS. You gotta admire any company willing to put THAT friggin' thing on the market.

†See also PRS guitars right now- I STILL LOVE MY MCCARTY AND I DON'T CARE IF NICKELBACK PLAYS THEM TOO GODDAMNIT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Nov 2007, 07:21
See, part of the reason I kinda want a PRS is because Chris from the Larry Arms used to play an SE EG, and I liked how they sounded Ghost Stories-ish.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Nov 2007, 08:04
I am going to steal my friend's Epiphone Sheraton if he's not careful. I have dreams about that guitar, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 26 Nov 2007, 19:17
See, part of the reason I kinda want a PRS is because Chris from the Larry Arms used to play an SE EG, and I liked how they sounded Ghost Stories-ish.

Thing is, PRS make incredible guitars. Their quality control puts literally every other big manufacturer to shame, and a lot of the one-shop hand-made guys too. They just oversaturated the market back in the nu-metal boom of the late 90s/early 00s. Now they're overpriced and have the stigma of god-awful bands swearing by them.

Even their import models are better than just about any other import I've seen outside of the ESP Japan shop (the fancy-pants non-LTD models).

If you can afford a PRS then by all means get one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 26 Nov 2007, 19:18
I am going to steal my friend's Epiphone Sheraton if he's not careful. I have dreams about that guitar, man.

The Sheratons are their 335-style model, right? Those things are pretty sweet. The Broken Social Scene guys play them sometimes and they sound really good. Semihollows aren't really my thing but they seem like a really good buy for the money.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 26 Nov 2007, 19:22
have the stigma of god-awful bands swearing by them.

On the other hand, Opeth and Porcupine Tree swear by them as well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 26 Nov 2007, 19:26
I will keep my opinion of Porcupine Tree to myself.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Nov 2007, 21:15
Man, I really wish I could find a used Jazzmaster on Craig's List or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Nov 2007, 01:16
The Sheratons are their 335-style model, right? Those things are pretty sweet. The Broken Social Scene guys play them sometimes and they sound really good. Semihollows aren't really my thing but they seem like a really good buy for the money.

One of the many, yeah. Which albums do they play them on, do you know? I've only got their self-titled from '05.

I do know for a fact that Ted Leo has used his Sheraton (plural?) on numerous occasions, as did one John Lee Hooker. The thing that most appeals to me, though, is the fact that you can get warm, controllable feedback without having to blow out your windows.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Nov 2007, 02:29
Yeah I am a Floyd Rose fan when it comes to trem bridges. I feel like the PRS trem is the next best thing, but there's no other trem system that lets you do horrible, horrible things to your guitar like a Floyd. It has to be a well-made version though, preferably an actual Floyd Rose and not a "licensed" version- although I've heard good things about Ibanez's newer FR-style bridges.

I'm considering getting an Ibanez 7-string* sometime soon (probably the RG Prestige model) so I guess we'll see.

*I have a thing for owning guitars that used to be "cool" but are currently considered way gauche- I had a Jackson soloist back before all the new-generation metal bands re-popularized the brand. I feel like Ibanez, particularly their 7-strings, are post-hype (and more importantly post-shitty-bands-that-endorse-them) so they're probably a good buy nowadays.

Also that new 8-string guitar they're making is RIDICULOUS. You gotta admire any company willing to put THAT friggin' thing on the market.

As for absolute abuse, a Kahler bridge works really well too. Kerry King swears by them...

Say what you will about the man's lead playing, but if it can stand up to his use I'm sure it can stand up to anything.

Oh, and if you're an eBayer, try and find an RG7620 or S7420. You'll thank me later.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Nov 2007, 05:07
And now for no apparent Reason, My 7-string:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/Foto130.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Nov 2007, 06:26
http://www.elderly.com/accessories/items/AMPLUG-AC30.htm


What the hellass?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 27 Nov 2007, 06:58
That's fuckin' weird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 27 Nov 2007, 07:55
That doesn't seem like a bad idea? Good for people who want to practice a lot but live in apartments, or have small babies, or whatever. Unless it does something different to what I imagine it would.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Nov 2007, 08:31
That doesn't seem like a bad idea? Good for people who want to practice a lot but live in apartments, or have small babies, or whatever. Unless it does something different to what I imagine it would.

Honestly, when there are things like the Line 6 POD series on the market, it seems like an extraordinarily daft idea, to me at least.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Nov 2007, 10:13
No way man POD is a shitty band

lol see wut i did there????????
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spinless on 27 Nov 2007, 10:53
Yes, now don't do it again.
I keep trying to understand you guys and your guitar obsessions, but it' always been alien to me. Rather like people who can name more than three cars.
However, recently I have started to become more aware about the subtleties in the sound that each little difference on your guitar can make. Maybe, some day, I will finally be able to understand people who have a favourite car?

I'm under the impression that once you know enough about guitars, and their sounds, that playing guitar becomes a very expensive habit, with people buying guitars like drugs in order to satisfy their craving for each flavour. Can anybody confirm this for me?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Nov 2007, 10:59
I can speak for three people AND myself when I say yes. It's like cocaine, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Nov 2007, 11:33
I own seven electric guitars, and have no intention of stopping at that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 27 Nov 2007, 12:38
guitars guitars guitars guitars
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Nov 2007, 12:55
No it's not like cocaine, because guitars are value for money whereas cocaine isn't.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Nov 2007, 12:58
No it's not like cocaine, because guitars are value for money whereas cocaine isn't.

I love you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Nov 2007, 13:57
I can speak for three people AND myself when I say yes. It's like cocaine, man.

Dude it is worse than cocaine. I think. I've not done cocaine, but guitars, yes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Nov 2007, 15:29
Man, I don't even want to know how many different guitars I've played over the years. I seriously added like 17 to my list when I hit up Guitar Center for an hour and a half in Reno this September.

Those stores are fucking dangerous, man. I didn't leave until I'd spent over $700 on gear. Fortunately the high lasts SO MUCH LONGER than any recorded drug high I've ever heard of, but playing the SG that I finally made mine was something akin to shagging Scarlett Johannson while enjoying an excellent 18-year scotch and a fine Dominican cigar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 27 Nov 2007, 17:17
 :-D - it is tricky balancing both the ashtray and the highball glass on her asscheeks while you ram her

Incidentally, got my RG Prestige 7-string today. Fucker is THICK. Time to start learning some Pig Destroyer riffs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 27 Nov 2007, 22:52
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2170/2070135717_2f9157bdc8_o.jpg)

1988 Yamaha RGX312. It's my dad's old one since he bought a new Tele, so I'm thinking of swapping out for my own. But that's a different topic. :laugh:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Nov 2007, 07:00
Those stores are fucking dangerous, man.

I'll go in to my local just to buy strings, and half an hour later I'm still there, strings unpurchased. It's horrid, fucking horrid.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 28 Nov 2007, 08:15
:-D - it is tricky balancing both the ashtray and the highball glass on her asscheeks while you ram her

Incidentally, got my RG Prestige 7-string today. Fucker is THICK. Time to start learning some Pig Destroyer riffs.

 :laugh: I'm so proud of you Jeph!

Which model is it? Pics, or it didn't happen!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Nov 2007, 09:34
Okay, I must pose a question.  I want a new guitar, I like single coil sounds with lots of distortion and the clean Strat sounds a la Built to Spill, Yo La Tengo, Dinosaur Jr. and Sonic Youth.  BUT!  I also really like The Weakerthans and want to start a band that sounds like them.  I really want a Jazzmaster, because (I think) it can give me all those sounds as I mentioned before, but I'm not so sure about sounding like The Weakerthans.  I was thinking a semi-hollow would work well for folk rock or folk punk.

I guess I'm going to pose two questions here: Jazzmaster or '59 Dano? (I plan to use a Voodoo Labs Superfuzz with whichever one.  I'm leaning more towards the Jazzmaster because of the warmer soap bar pickups.)

and

Would a semi-hollow allow me to sound similar to the guitarists in The Weakerthans?

I would appreciate some help, because I can never make up my mind.  :|
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Nov 2007, 09:38
Maybe an HSS strat?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Nov 2007, 11:32
If you want Yo La Tengo,  :-D Jr. or Sonic Youth sounds, get a Jag. Seriously, the guitarists from EVERY ONE OF THOSE BANDS uses a Jaguar. Too bad the damn things are a grand and a half.

My suggestion if you don't feel like spending a butt-ton of money on a guitar thaht is a bitch and a half to set up: get a Strat and remove the string trees from the headstock. I hate those damn things anyway and I'm probably going to do it on my '06 Squier Bullet (fuck yeah, discontinued!) just so I can kill some sustain. Need a place to store your string trees when you're done taking them off, but want to keep them around just in case? Just Scotch tape them to the inside of the pickguard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Nov 2007, 11:49
J Mascis just got a signature Jazzmaster.

Jazzmaster, Pat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Nov 2007, 11:57
That SON OF A BITCH. I don't even have my own NON-signature Jazz or Jag.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 28 Nov 2007, 11:58
No. Buy something else and dick around with it until you find a sound that's all you instead.

PS: Fender sucks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 28 Nov 2007, 12:02
The Mustang is a good cheaper alternative to the jag, but it's not as warm and vintage sounding.

But I agree with Lummer, Fender does suck.

If you're really looking to achieve all those sounds, but still want your own tones too, you should consider the DiPinto Galaxie 4... 4 pickups means that virtually anything is possible.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Nov 2007, 12:57
I doubt it's as versatile as it could be. Give me an on-off switch and a vol and tone pot for every pickup and then we'll talk.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Nov 2007, 13:09
I like Fender guitars.  I like the Squire Strat I have now, but the neck is too thin for me.  I really want something more professional.  I read up on Jazzmasters and decided that I want one because it can do a good clean and you can get really warm distortion out of it.  I'll check out this DePinto, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 28 Nov 2007, 13:11
Kim, how about one of those old Tiescos with the rocker switches for each pickup? Man, if they didn't play like ass, I'd have one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 28 Nov 2007, 13:22
Man, if they didn't play like ass, I'd have one.

Dude, Eastwood Guitars (http://eastwoodguitars.com/index.htm). They make rad reissues of old Teiscos, Supros, Airlines, Wandres, etc. out of quality parts instead of plastic and shit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Nov 2007, 13:25
I have that site bookmarked because it is just another form of porn for stroking a completely different kind of harbl.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 28 Nov 2007, 13:46
Yeah, I spank to Eastwood's page every night before I go to sleep.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Johnny C on 28 Nov 2007, 14:14
I just came across a post of yours in /mu/. Weird shit, dude.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Nov 2007, 14:23
I don't fuck around when it comes to being an elitist bastard.

Those sons of bitches won't link me to any good torrents though. :(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 28 Nov 2007, 15:47
Maybe an HSS strat?

Fender's humbucking pickups suck ass.*

If you buy a Fender, it's worth spending extra for an American Deluxe model, and then worth spending even more extra to put a Seymour Duncan in if you've got a humbucker equipped model.

*All their new ones do, anyway. Old dual-humbucker Telecasters sound pretty sweet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 28 Nov 2007, 15:53
:-D - it is tricky balancing both the ashtray and the highball glass on her asscheeks while you ram her

Incidentally, got my RG Prestige 7-string today. Fucker is THICK. Time to start learning some Pig Destroyer riffs.

 :laugh: I'm so proud of you Jeph!

Which model is it? Pics, or it didn't happen!

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/ibanez.jpg)

I recorded a song (http://www.questionablecontent.net/FightingOffTheEmus.mp3) on it already!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Nov 2007, 16:11
That's pretty fuckin' sick.  The song and the axe, I mean.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: mediumrare on 28 Nov 2007, 18:35
Yknow what, I've been playing guitar for 7 years and I know shit all about them, so I'm going to ask an amazing question in its stupidity:

how do you guys know all this shit?

If the answer is just "we've played all the guitars we talk about" I'm going to kick you. ACTUALLY go to your houses and kick you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 28 Nov 2007, 18:38
I've been pretty much obsessed with the instrument for about 15 years now. I was seriously considering becoming a luthier in high school and college. I've read virtually everything there is to read about the electric guitar, and have played more than I can count.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 28 Nov 2007, 20:57
About the same, 'cept I've been playing for a year and a half, I've been completely obsessed since the first day, I'm still in high school, and still seriously considering being a guitar technician or luthier.

It's a passion. I'm as interested in the workings of a guitar as in playing one. I am a complete nerd for this stuff and spend countless hours researching it.

I stay over at my drummer's house a lot on the weekends and once his dad caught me up at 3 AM after everyone had gone to bed using his laptop. He was all "DUDE WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT?" and I told him I was reading up on how to wire a pick-up and he gives me this look like "DUDE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PORN JUST FESS UP TO IT" and I made him check my browser history, and to his chagrin he found a bunch of diagrams of a single coil pick-up.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 28 Nov 2007, 22:08
If you want Yo La Tengo,  :-D Jr. or Sonic Youth sounds, get a Jag. Seriously, the guitarists from EVERY ONE OF THOSE BANDS uses a Jaguar. Too bad the damn things are a grand and a half.

Hmm... Sonic Youth don't use Jaguars very often, actually, they're known for their modified Jazzmasters, aka "Jazzblasters", which have those 70s Fender Wide Range Humbuckers in them (from the Tele Deluxe and Custom guitars).

J Mascis used a Jaguar occasionally, but is also better known for his Jazzmasters. In an interview, he said that most of his rhythm guitar tones on record are P-90 equpped guitars, and he likes to use a Jazzmaster for solos. Live he almost exclusively plays Jazzmasters.

I'm a huge Jaguar fan. The short scale, bright, plonky sound, and lack of sustain, I really dig.

You can still get Japanese Jazzmasters and Jaguars imported new from Japan for pretty cheap. Great guitars, though IMO not up to the same standard as the AVRI ones. The main points of difference are the pickups, finish, body shapes (the edges on the AVRI and Vintage ones are more rounded), and the vibrato tailpiece (which is far superior on the American models). You can occasionally pick up a good deal on an AVRI on eBay too- every now and then $900 BIN comes up.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 28 Nov 2007, 22:24
single coil pick-up

So that's what the kids call 'em these days.

These days, I've grown up from obsessing over guitars that I don't own and can't afford to obsessing over recording equipment that I don't own and can't afford.

GAS is a bitch, no matter what it's about.

Right now, the guitar nerd in me is torn between taking my old squier strat, exercising my non-existent wood-shop/luthiery skills and chopping off the top horn and carving it until it's symmetrical and then hot-rodding the shit out of it (which I sure as hell don't have the technical expertise to do), and just buying a new guitar (which I don't have the money for).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 29 Nov 2007, 00:39

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/ibanez.jpg)

I recorded a song (http://www.questionablecontent.net/FightingOffTheEmus.mp3) on it already!

I feel like that song is awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Nov 2007, 04:32
If the answer is just "we've played all the guitars we talk about" I'm going to kick you. ACTUALLY go to your houses and kick you.

That actually is the answer for about 80% of all guitars I've ever talked about.

(Dear Wayfaring Stranger, please don't quote pictures, it's a lot of unnecessary scrolling for the rest of us)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 29 Nov 2007, 05:13
Maybe an HSS strat?

Fender's humbucking pickups suck ass.*

If you buy a Fender, it's worth spending extra for an American Deluxe model, and then worth spending even more extra to put a Seymour Duncan in if you've got a humbucker equipped model.


I was thinking specifically about the Lonestar Strat, which comes with a Duncan humbucker. Ya fuckin' jerk.

Badass 7, by the way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: mediumrare on 29 Nov 2007, 05:39
If the answer is just "we've played all the guitars we talk about" I'm going to kick you. ACTUALLY go to your houses and kick you.

That actually is the answer for about 80% of all guitars I've ever talked about.


Then I shall walk about 80% of the way to your house and kick whomever I find.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Nov 2007, 06:11
Have fun finding anybody to kick in the Atlantic, man.

I for one am a huge fan of Fenders. Hell, that Squier Bullet I've kept yapping over? It's got an amazing sound. If GarageBand wasn't so uppity with multitracking with this sound card (I should consider upgrading, heh), I'd be all over using nothing but my Bullet and GarageBand for an entire album.

This thread is now about how fucking radical GarageBand is with good hardware.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 29 Nov 2007, 07:51
:-D - it is tricky balancing both the ashtray and the highball glass on her asscheeks while you ram her

Incidentally, got my RG Prestige 7-string today. Fucker is THICK. Time to start learning some Pig Destroyer riffs.

 :laugh: I'm so proud of you Jeph!

Which model is it? Pics, or it didn't happen!

*RG1527*

I recorded a song (http://www.questionablecontent.net/FightingOffTheEmus.mp3) on it already!

Again, I'm proud of ya :) I almost bought one of those a while ago, kind of a shame that I didn't :/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 29 Nov 2007, 09:18
:-D - it is tricky balancing both the ashtray and the highball glass on her asscheeks while you ram her

Incidentally, got my RG Prestige 7-string today. Fucker is THICK. Time to start learning some Pig Destroyer riffs.

 :laugh: I'm so proud of you Jeph!

Which model is it? Pics, or it didn't happen!

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/ibanez.jpg)

I recorded a song (http://www.questionablecontent.net/FightingOffTheEmus.mp3) on it already!

Wow, They made them in colours besides black?
Or is the light tricking me....
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 29 Nov 2007, 10:39
This thread is now about how fucking radical GarageBand is with good hardware.

Lies.

I run Garageband 2 on a Goddamned quad-core Mac Pro with 3gb of ram and the fucking thing STILL chugs and crashes on me.

One of these days I'm just gonna switch to Logic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Nov 2007, 11:36
Nah man, I'm talking the ORIGINAL GarageBand, none of this GarageBand 2 crap.

My comment from your LJ still stands though. Just use your amp's simulated speaker out/headphone jack as an input directly into your computer. Then you don't have to deal with any of that "Oh man I am getting SHIT sound and my computer is running slow as hell" crap from using the built-in software effect simulators.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 29 Nov 2007, 12:53
I never knew you could record with actual instruments using Garage Band...My parents said they would get me a laptap when I graduate high school.  I want an iBook, and now I know this, I'm putting Garage Band on it and recording a solo album (a la Kevin Drew)!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 29 Nov 2007, 14:32
Lies.

I run Garageband 2 on a Goddamned quad-core Mac Pro with 3gb of ram and the fucking thing STILL chugs and crashes on me.

One of these days I'm just gonna switch to Logic.

Firstly, jeph, it runs fine on my intel mac, and thats only 2.0ghz with 2 gig of ram. I have projects getting up to 16 tracks so far with no problems.

Like kimjong says, dont use those distortion models, they are shit, and either using an output from it/micing it up will give you a much better sound.
After all,you pay a lot for a decent sound, why not make use of it?

Also,turn any synth drum tracks into audio, it will speed up their processing.

I also read a while back that logic was being ditched by apple. And that it was making way for a new "protools killer" that was going to make use of a touch screen interface.
Or atleast that's what i heard...(apparently from the blog of one of the developers).

edit: so i just googled logic to try find that, and found that logic 8 was released in september.
looks like i was wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Nov 2007, 15:19
Yeah, seriously. Using the built-in effects is what's killing your performance. It's resource-chompy enough without any effects, and then you go up in there with amp simulation, EQ, reverb, and drum tracks, and all of a sudden you've got more than your hardware can deal with. It adds up really fast, especially in GarageBand 2 where they figured, "Nah, fuck it, they'll eventually have all the resources they need, let's just make this shit as detailed as we feel like."

It's the same problem that the game LockOn had. Brilliant in theory, but it was around 4 years before hardware finally caught up with it. It eventually almost killed the game entirely.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 29 Nov 2007, 16:51
Just use your amp's simulated speaker out/headphone jack as an input directly into your computer. Then you don't have to deal with any of that "Oh man I am getting SHIT sound and my computer is running slow as hell" crap from using the built-in software effect simulators.

No way dude, I have a MESA/Boogie and their direct outs suck ass in terms of speaker emulation.

I SHOULD just mic up the amp, but the point is that Garageband 1 ran FINE and GB 2 runs like SHIT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Nov 2007, 17:41
I would offer my install CD but I highly doubt you'd ever give your shipping address to a total stranger in Albania.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 29 Nov 2007, 19:55
Guys, here's my baby.  She's a Dano U-1 Re-issue, of an unknown vintage.  She is PURPLE.

(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7050/dsc00073tm7.jpg)

(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2083/dsc00076gb1.jpg)

I need to get some new strings and probably get a setup done.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 29 Nov 2007, 21:03
That is a really neat guitar.  I guess Danelectro goes for a simple approach to their guitars.  How does it sound?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 29 Nov 2007, 21:30
Well, they were originally cheap ass guitars sold at Sears with an amp-in-case combo. They weren't stylistically minimal so much as efficient, cheap starter guitars.

Then the designs stuck and those vintage ones are popular now so they've kept it going with reissues.

Gorgeous guitar, mate. I've been itching to get my hands on a Dano for a while.

Also, does anyone know where I can get my hands on a Vox Teardrop or reliable reissue?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 29 Nov 2007, 21:31
So, it sounds like shit?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 29 Nov 2007, 21:41
No, that is why vintage cheap ass guitars are now popular and not cheap at all.

Because they sounded and still sound great for cheap guitars.

Somehow I doubt Squier Bullets will be collectors items in 30 years.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 30 Nov 2007, 03:48
I have yet to really put it through its paces tone-wise, but my initial impressions are good.  With the volume and tone turned all the way up it sounds somewhat like a Tele, but it is subtly different, a little more treble bite and ring to it maybe.  It definitely sounds better than most other guitars that you're going to get for $180 though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: SilentJ on 30 Nov 2007, 04:42
Is that thing as small as it looks in those pictures?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Nov 2007, 04:59
Somehow I doubt Squier Bullets will be collectors items in 30 years.

Hah, I bet that's what the people at Danelectro, Airline, Kay and Silvertone all said 40 years ago. Then a bunch of people got famous and started using the, and now all of a sudden the market's being flooded with reissues out of the ass.

Hey Jeph, I found you something.
http://store.retrosoftware.net/15190.html

iLife '05. I'm fairly new to Macs, so I don't know if it'll just auto-install everything (thus killing all your more current iLife apps) or if it'll let you pick and choose what you want, but hell, I honestly think it'd be well worth the trouble.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 30 Nov 2007, 13:22
Sorry, Kim.  I won't do it again. 

If Squier bullets become classics, it seems like that means the quality of current issue, affordable guitars will just continue to decrease.  That would be sad. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 30 Nov 2007, 17:08
Is that thing as small as it looks in those pictures?

It's a pretty small guitar, but it may be exaggerated by the photographs.  It's also really really light-weight, because it's a chambered body, and is mostly hollow inside.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 30 Nov 2007, 20:34
And it's made out of Masonite!

I am still astounded by how great Danos sound through a good tube amp. Someday I will buy an old Hiwatt half-stack and Boss Overdrive and Delay pedals just so I can pretend I am in the Poster Children.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 30 Nov 2007, 21:01
I was playing it today through my friend's vintage Bassman half-stack and I got an absolutely gorgeous clean tone.  I really want to try it distorted though, like super heavy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Dec 2007, 03:06
I am still astounded by how great Danos sound through a good tube amp. Someday I will buy an old Hiwatt half-stack and Boss Overdrive and Delay pedals just so I can pretend I am in the Poster Children.

Man, this is one brand I've never been able to try firsthand other than my friend's rockin' old Dano bass (I think it was a '91? He doesn't use it much anymore 'cause alllll the electronics shit out on him).

If I do get one, though, it would probably be this one (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Danelectro-59-Dano-Electric-Guitar?sku=514243). I might do that with any moneyz from my Graduation Christmas Birthday (funny how people like to combine holidays and winter birthdays).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Dec 2007, 09:27
Hah, I bet that's what the people at Danelectro, Airline, Kay and Silvertone all said 40 years ago. Then a bunch of people got famous and started using the, and now all of a sudden the market's being flooded with reissues out of the ass.

Well, all of those WERE meant to be cheap alternatives to expensive professional instruments. However, they all had their own charms, which is the reason they're so popular.

Squier guitars are shit versions of guitars that are already way too popular.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 01 Dec 2007, 11:02
That '59 Dano is a classic.  Who wouldn't want one of those?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: monkandmovies13 on 01 Dec 2007, 19:15
This is mah bebe

http://www.zzounds.com/item--MRTDX1

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/monkandmovies13/Photo178.jpg)

I also have a mandolin

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/monkandmovies13/Photo216.jpg)

I have been promised a really really nice guitar in a few months, so I'm researching what I should get. Not sure if I want to try an electric or if I should just stick with a great acoustic.

I'll get a better mandolin eventually. I'm still learning some really basic stuff.

My goal is to learn every instrument ever invented. Next up is ukelele.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Dec 2007, 06:14
Maybe an HSS strat?

Fender's humbucking pickups suck ass.*

If you buy a Fender, it's worth spending extra for an American Deluxe model, and then worth spending even more extra to put a Seymour Duncan in if you've got a humbucker equipped model.

*All their new ones do, anyway. Old dual-humbucker Telecasters sound pretty sweet.

I dunno, the pickups on the '72 Reissue are pretty great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Dec 2007, 09:18
My goal is to learn every instrument ever invented. Next up is ukelele.

Go find a çifteli, they're way more obscure/badass than ukuleles.

Speaking of which, I should probably take a photo of mine. It's actually a total piece of shit and I'd be better off building an entire new one than perfecting the current one, but whatever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Johnny C on 02 Dec 2007, 09:49
I disagree but that's because I once saw an absolutely incredible set by The Burning Hell that was played almost entirely on ukelele. It wound up like this this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAX1Qy6glI).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Dec 2007, 11:44
No. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ZHUwaoE-Y)
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Post by: Johnny C on 02 Dec 2007, 12:32
That's not whimsical at all!
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Post by: monkandmovies13 on 02 Dec 2007, 12:40
I've never heard of a çifteli!

Now I really want one!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Dec 2007, 12:52
There's plenty of them in Kosovo, but only if you feel like getting your head blown off by pissed off Serbs. You could try Turkey.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 02 Dec 2007, 18:56
I think I will try to learn to play the Balalaika.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 03 Dec 2007, 14:18
I saw a balalaika group play a couple of months ago.  Pretty sweet.  The bass balalaika is a humongous monster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: casull on 03 Dec 2007, 21:15
IMMA BUY ME A GEETAR.

Yeah, so I'm probably going to go to about 1100 on this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=190179075357&Category=38083

If I don't get it, I'm probably picking up a new '72 reissue Tele deluxe. No idea regarding an amp.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 03 Dec 2007, 21:18
ASATs are AWESOME.

If I ever buy a straight Tele-style guitar it will be an ASAT Classic. They sound better than any Fender Tele I've ever played.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: casull on 03 Dec 2007, 21:30
mmm, glad you think so. I spent a good while hashing out what exactly I was looking for with a guitar-nerd friend. He's a strat nut, especially G&L. I can't afford one of these new, but he couldn't resist trying to get me to buy a G&L, so pointed me this direction.

Plus, the tremelo bridge is not terribly common :D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Dec 2007, 21:55
Those look like bass pickups almost.  But it's still an awesome looking guitar.

I disagree but that's because I once saw an absolutely incredible set by The Burning Hell that was played almost entirely on ukelele. It wound up like this this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAX1Qy6glI).

That was awesome.  I really want a ukulele.  They sound so cool!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 03 Dec 2007, 22:45
G&L guitars are great. I have two balalaikas but don't play them much.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Dec 2007, 02:42
The last "let's copy Fender and make it more rad than the original" guitar I played was an ESP Strat copy. The only problem I had with it was the fact that it only had a 3-way switch instead of a 5-way. You could divebomb the heart and soul out of that thing. Naturally I played Van Halen and Dragonforce.

If it hadn't been for the $2000 price tag I'd have gone for that sucker.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Dec 2007, 08:52
I don't really like the tremolo on Stratocasters.  Mine goes out of tune if I use it a lot.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Dec 2007, 09:02
You've clearly never owned a Jaguar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Dec 2007, 09:28
Clearly neither of you have ever used either guitar with locking tuners.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Dec 2007, 09:56
You've clearly never owned a Jaguar.

You would be correct in presuming so.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 04 Dec 2007, 15:36
You've clearly never owned a Jaguar.

Despite what people say, I use my jag's trem a lot.
Surf Rock a lot.

And going out of tune is very rarely a problem, I'd say I had more of a problem with the trem on my strat copy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 04 Dec 2007, 17:33
My Jag is so sweet sounding - and believe it or not I use my trem a ton. 

Going out of tune is sometimes a problem, it's actually not that bad; the only thing I find annoying is the bridge adjusters going out and the buzz starting again.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 04 Dec 2007, 17:55
I have a JTK-1, but this http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-JTK2-Electric-Guitar?sku=519731 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-JTK2-Electric-Guitar?sku=519731) is pretty cool looking.  These are good guitars for their price, if anybody's looking for inexpensive and decent-sounding models.  The coil splitters are pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Dec 2007, 19:41
I'm having trouble believing that's an Ibanez.

It looks more like an old Supro or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 04 Dec 2007, 19:45
IMMA BUY ME A GEETAR.

Yeah, so I'm probably going to go to about 1100 on this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=190179075357&Category=38083

If I don't get it, I'm probably picking up a new '72 reissue Tele deluxe. No idea regarding an amp.

Thoughts?

That is an absolutely gorgeous guitar, and the unique finish plus tremolo bridge make it even more awesome.  I wish you the best of luck on getting it.

Amp-wise: what kind of tones are you looking for?  I would look around your local music stores to see what they have, and see if you can find anything that you really are drawn to.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Dec 2007, 20:05
I'm having trouble believing that's an Ibanez.

It looks more like an old Supro or something.

Yeah, it's Ibanez's attempt to cash in on the whole White Stripes/indie rock ugly retro guitar thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 04 Dec 2007, 20:51
I don't know, I think they're pretty stylish as far as solids go.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Dec 2007, 21:19
A lot of really great, classic guitars are downright hideous when you really look at them.

Teles? Blocks of wood with the corners rounded off and a chunk cut out of the bottom.

Les Pauls? Goofy, midget ES-175s.

Firebirds? RDs? Explorers? What the fuck?

Don't even get me started on the Jackson Kelly, simultaneously the ugliest and sexiest guitar I can possibly imagine. Or the Warrior. Or anything made by BC Rich.

What I'm saying is that ugly almost never precludes badass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 04 Dec 2007, 21:44
I see what you mean.

And...

Since you brought up the Kelly, I think this one is dead sexy.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/cleric17/Guitars/jackson/Rising%20Sun/a00f_12.jpg (http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/cleric17/Guitars/jackson/Rising%20Sun/a00f_12.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 05 Dec 2007, 00:02
What I'm saying is that ugly almost never precludes badass.

(http://www.zoilus.com/documents/lemmy.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Dec 2007, 02:25
WIN!

I still hate the fact that I missed their gig last night :(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 06:55
Jeph I think I will have to disagree with you on that whole "Les Pauls are ugly" thing. That body shape has always been really attractive to me, even before I had ever learned what it was or which badass people used it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Dec 2007, 07:01
Firebirds?

Gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous.


Yes, I own a Firebird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 05 Dec 2007, 10:54
For me, attractiveness is often in the color and finish, more than the shape of the guitar.  I think a lot of Les Pauls, Telecasters, Stratocasters, etc. are kind of boring and plain, but then there are others I find completely gorgeous.   
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 13:20
Amen. Give me a Strat in arctic white and I'll be a happy man. Until I start lusting after another guitar, that is.

My infidelity with guitars may or may not be what keeps me single. It gives off a "bad vibe" or some other bullshit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Dec 2007, 14:00
SO WHAT STRING GAUGES DO YOU GUYS USE?!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 05 Dec 2007, 14:17
Teles? Blocks of wood with the corners rounded off and a chunk cut out of the bottom.
What I'm saying is that ugly almost never precludes badass.

Honestly, it's the ugly simplicity that makes me like Teles. And I thought you liked them anyway?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 14:53
(an inquiry in a font size that I am pretty sure is compensating for something else)

.010-.046 on my SG (I'm too lazy to adjust the bridge to 9-42s, tune-o-matics are kindof a bitch with bridge intonation), .009-.042 on my Bullet, .012-.056 on my Kay.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 05 Dec 2007, 15:51

[/quote]

Honestly, it's the ugly simplicity that makes me like Teles. And I thought you liked them anyway?
[/quote]

I am a HUGE believer in simplicity.  Whether its bass or guitar I plug them straight into amps with tone that I like and then LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE.  Footwsitch for distortion, maybe but not likely.  I haven't bought a bass in forever that wasn't just a meat and potatoes passive bass. 

As for strings- .45s on my basses, .12s on electric geet-ars and .11s on acoustic gee-tars. 

I go through phases on bass strings, but right now I use Ernie Ball super slinkys.  I tried DRs and they seem to go dead quickly, Markleys are too damned expensive for what you get, and boomers are OK in a pinch, but not quite as nice feeling or long lasting as Ernie Balls. 

For acoustics- Ernie Ball phosphor-bronze all the way.

For electrics, I actually normally go with the DRs or GHS boomers.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 05 Dec 2007, 16:30
Honestly, it's the ugly simplicity that makes me like Teles. And I thought you liked them anyway?

I'm pretty sure he already said that he thinks ugly guitars can be badass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 16:58
I love guitars that I think are kind of ugly. They're still rad. I've owned a Les Paul, I currently own a Firebird Studio.

I use .10-.48 strings I think? I forget. Whatever the "medium" gauge is. Although I may put .11s on my ESP since that thing stays tuned to drop-C all the time.

HEY EVERYBODY IT'S GUITAR STRING TALK TIME

I've tried a lot of different brands over the years but my favorites are still Ernie Ball. Elixirs are nice, but they're more expensive and prone to breaking.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 16:59
Playing .09s is admitting that you are a pussy
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 17:19
Playing .09s is admitting that you are a pussy

HAY F U N00B I HAET U
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 17:20
whatever, fag
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 05 Dec 2007, 17:22
I like .11 D'Addario
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 17:26
whatever, fag

 :x IMMA SEND AL MY FRIENDS TO KICK UR ASS OMFG U FUKKEN ASSHOEL
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 17:29
MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD

ALSO HE HAS A PRIVATE STOCK PRS IT IS SICK
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 17:31
O YEA MY DAD HAS A 1989 VAN HALEN
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Dec 2007, 17:33
Playing .09s is admitting that you are a pussy

HAY F U N00B I HAET U


Well, he IS right, Kim.

Personally, I'm currently using string from a danish company called Stringsite. The cool thing is, they let you put together your own combination of gauges, and it's dirt cheap.
I've had the strings on my Les Paul and my sevenstring for a few weeks now, they still sound totally new :O

For the Gibson, i rock a set going 11 14 20 30 42 52, and for the 7-string, I go with 10 13 17 30 42 52, then with a .65 bass string for the low B. It works extremely well.

I've used D'addario's in the past, and I've never really understood why anyone uses that brand. They don't last half as long as Ernie Balls, and they have zero brightness in their sound compared to other brands. Pretty much every brand out there whoops their ass completely on all fronts, but still SO many people use them?! I don't get it.

EDIT:

The Gibsons are tuned down a half step, the seven is kept in standard. I do not like floppy strings, and a lot strings tend to get floppy because of my picking attack. I've been known that pretty much any guitar buzz like hell, if it's set up for low action. That then means I have to use sorta high-ish action and heavy strings if I want a decent sound. No alternative for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 17:37
a .65 bass string for the low B. It works extremely well.

I've been thinking about doing this since I got mine! It seems like the regular-gauge B string doesn't put out as much volume as the rest of the set. Adjusting the pickup pole-pieces helped, but with a 25.5" scale I bet a bass string would sound really tight, especially since I dropped the B down to an A.

(god I'm a nerd)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 17:45
Oh fine, Lummer, turn this conversation all serious. Punkass.

While I agree that if you're using .9s just so you can bend easier, my reason for using them is more of a sustain issue. The Bullet is what I use for my lead work in some of my original music (see: sig link), and when I'm doing certain higher-fret melodic lines (see again: sig link), I like the note to decay fairly quickly, around 6 seconds or so if I'm higher than fret 8.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 05 Dec 2007, 17:46
hi, i play .09 - .46

But then again, I like the twang in my stratocaster, and I'm thinking of changing to 0.09 - 0.42.

stop the hate on 0.09 kay?

At least intonation setting is eezy peezy japaneezy on the strat bridge.

If all goes well, I'll be soon posting pics of an amp which will make you salivate.


Some of you at least. One of you is prone to salivate at my amp and pedalboard. Perhaps a mild look of admiration? A glaze of acknlowledgement would suffice at this moment really.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 17:48
9s are for pansies

especially on strats

Stevie Ray Vaughn used fucking piano wire
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 05 Dec 2007, 17:50
hey... i resent that statement.


TAKE IT BACK.

I'm a suckah for peer pressure, so I might try 0.10.

But that's as far as I go.

Stevie Ray Vaughan was indeed the man though, he sure knew his business... 0.16 gauge sounds kinda extreme to me, but well, more props to him
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 17:53
Stevie Ray Vaughn used fucking piano wire[/i]

HE ALSO DIED IN A HELICOPTER CRASH. YOU BASTARD, STOP TRYING TO KILL ME
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 18:00
SHUT UP AND GET IN THE HELICOPTER GODDAMNIT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 18:06
YOU FIRST
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 05 Dec 2007, 20:28
I use the heaviest gauge i can get on my jag, because the guy i bought it from said heavier strings keep the bridge from buzzing.
Meanwhile, my tiesco uses the lightest strings i could find, because it's ply, and the neck join is maybe 5mm thick.
I'm not picky about brand.

I like my strings old, not so old they rust, i take care of them to prevent that, but old none the less, maybe its because im a bassist

On my basses i use a light guage, something like 45-100.

Anyone here use flats on a guitar?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 05 Dec 2007, 20:38
I haven't used flats, but I'd like to on my guitar after next.  ;) 
Right now I use  11-49 on my standard tuning ax, and 14/14/28/28/38/38 on my funny stuff guitar.

I gotta get a new guitar, tho.  I'm starting lessons, so i need to get something to play righthanded so i don't confuse beginners.  I guess being ambidextrous aint that bad after all!  It's gotta be thin and audible unplugged, so I'm looking at getting some old low/no name archtop or semihollow.  Anyone have anything they'd like to let go?

P s, I'll post pics of mine as soon as I get em.  At least the tele I built.  <3

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 05 Dec 2007, 21:26
9s on Fenders and 10s on Gibsons.

i flew to Japan on a 777 and then Singapore on a 767, that was scary enough for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: casull on 05 Dec 2007, 22:18
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=190179075357&Category=38083

10 minutes left zomg.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: casull on 05 Dec 2007, 22:31
HOLY SHIT $685!!! I was happy to pay almost twice that... $1600 new without the custom options, mint condition. YEAAHHHH
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Dec 2007, 22:48
Nice. Grats man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 23:28
Good buy!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 06 Dec 2007, 01:05
a .65 bass string for the low B. It works extremely well.

I've been thinking about doing this since I got mine! It seems like the regular-gauge B string doesn't put out as much volume as the rest of the set. Adjusting the pickup pole-pieces helped, but with a 25.5" scale I bet a bass string would sound really tight, especially since I dropped the B down to an A.

(god I'm a nerd)

The Gauge on the low B has always been total science, really. You have to find the right balance.
For instance; if it's to thick, it'll sound all woofy and muddy. If you have it too thin, it'll buzz and flop like there's no tomorrow.

First of all though, and I believe you've heard this a squillion times before, change the pickups!
Stock pickups in recent day Ibanez models have been known to be less than impressive, although with sufficient tweaking of the rest of your gear you can make it sound cool.
I for one, managed to squeeze a fairly decent out of an RG7321 i used to own.

I used a POD Xt, directly into the computer, and I nailed a pretty cool Meshuggah "Nothing"-style tone.
This can be heard, here:

http://download.yousendit.com/D472737A432BD329 (http://download.yousendit.com/D472737A432BD329)

The guitar was tuned down 1 1/2 step for that clip, by using a regular set of .12's, plus the .65
I had bundles of fun with that tuning  :evil:

That said, I would think that a .60 low B would be the absolute minimum, for dropped A. I don't quite know how the string tension feels on an RG1527, it's fairly loose on S7420, which is why I upped the gauges, but it was a little tighter on the RG7321. I don't know if it was the fixed bridge or what.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Dec 2007, 02:12
Also, a longer scale length probably would help. Get a 28" and stop being such a little girl, JEPH
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Dec 2007, 05:30
Playing .09s is admitting that you are a pussy

When I was in high school, a kid called me a pussy for playing .10s.

Right now, I'm using GHS Boomers, .12-.52. I keep my Firebird in D standard, so it works pretty well. Used to play Ernie Balls, both .10-.48 and .10-.52, but they broke way too often for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: yossarian07 on 06 Dec 2007, 08:42
(http://www.zikinf.com/_gfx/matos/dyn/large/c736d71113b544735d9390d01f81a6d3.jpg)
I currently rock one of these.
If i ever get around to getting another one I'm thinking about getting a tele and swapping out the pickups for some nice Lace Sensors.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Dec 2007, 08:59
What's wrong with using 9s? I just use 9s because I've trained my fingers to be strong enough that I bend entire chords. It's a major part of my technique now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 06 Dec 2007, 10:02
What's wrong with using 9s? I just use 9s because I've trained my fingers to be strong enough that I bend entire chords. It's a major part of my technique now.
11s don't break nearly as often, sound drastically better, and are maaaybe two weeks harder to bend multiple strings. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Dec 2007, 10:17
What's wrong with using 9s? I just use 9s because I've trained my fingers to be strong enough that I bend entire chords. It's a major part of my technique now.
11s don't break nearly as often, sound drastically better, and are maaaybe two weeks harder to bend multiple strings. 

I hardly break strings anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 06 Dec 2007, 10:34
What's wrong with using 9s? I just use 9s because I've trained my fingers to be strong enough that I bend entire chords. It's a major part of my technique now.
11s don't break nearly as often, sound drastically better, and are maaaybe two weeks harder to bend multiple strings. 

I hardly break strings anyway.

UR GAY!!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Dec 2007, 11:09
I'm gonna have to agree with Lummer there, Gaz. If you're not breaking your 9s once every 2 hours, you're a pussy.

And you know enough about my personal life to make that really mean something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Dec 2007, 11:44
I hardly break strings anyway.

Whatever you say, Rivers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 06 Dec 2007, 15:24
.09s !?  I knew they made them, I just didn't know people actually played them.  Those must be some dainty fingers ya got there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 06 Dec 2007, 19:48
oh shit guys it's the dude from Nickelback
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 06 Dec 2007, 19:56
I say we kill him!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 06 Dec 2007, 19:59
The Gauge on the low B has always been total science, really. You have to find the right balance.
For instance; if it's to thick, it'll sound all woofy and muddy. If you have it too thin, it'll buzz and flop like there's no tomorrow.

First of all though, and I believe you've heard this a squillion times before, change the pickups!
Stock pickups in recent day Ibanez models have been known to be less than impressive, although with sufficient tweaking of the rest of your gear you can make it sound cool.
I for one, managed to squeeze a fairly decent out of an RG7321 i used to own.

That said, I would think that a .60 low B would be the absolute minimum, for dropped A. I don't quite know how the string tension feels on an RG1527, it's fairly loose on S7420, which is why I upped the gauges, but it was a little tighter on the RG7321. I don't know if it was the fixed bridge or what.

Yeah, I definitely need a different bridge pickup in there. I actually like IBZ neck pickups, but I'll probably toss a JB or a Custom in the bridge when I find time.

String tension is pretty much normal for a fender-scale guitar, since every other string is in standard tuning. I think I'll mess around with the string gauge on the B when I put in the new pickup, since I'll have to take the strings off for that anyway.

The polepiece adjustment DID help, though. This (http://www.questionablecontent.net/inprogress.mp3) is what I've been working on lately and I'm a lot happier with the string balance on it. And yeah there's a total Meshuggah ripoff riff in there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 06 Dec 2007, 21:13
What's wrong with using 9s? I just use 9s because I've trained my fingers to be strong enough that I bend entire chords. It's a major part of my technique now.
11s don't break nearly as often, sound drastically better, and are maaaybe two weeks harder to bend multiple strings. 

I hardly break strings anyway.
Hardly? 
Sucks to be you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 06 Dec 2007, 21:19
My brother paired the cheapest, crappiest bass with the heaviest strings he could find for years. He got a Geddy Lee jazz bass recently and put some "light" strings on it and it's ridiculous how much better he sounds now... although he still practices on the POS bass with the stupidly thick neck. I guess there's something to be said for practicing in way worse conditions than you actually play under. His finger strength is disgusting now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: yossarian07 on 07 Dec 2007, 00:08
I play 9's (ernie ball slinkies are my favorites) . My guitar is set up to use that gauge so if I wanted to play anything diffrent I would have to get the neck adjusted.
I break strings a lot, but I like the twangy sound I get out of the ligher strings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Dec 2007, 07:29
but I'll probably toss a JB

JAILBAIT THREAD GOGOGOGOGOGOGO

In not-fucking-around news, the only way you can play 9s and not be considered a complete and total LITTLE GIRL is to use this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ernie-Ball-2253-Super-Slinky-Pure-Nickel-Electric-Guitar-Strings?sku=100642) specific set of 9s.

I guess there's something to be said for practicing in way worse conditions than you actually play under. His finger strength is disgusting now.

Agreed. My Kay (the '53) has the action set literally 3x as high as my dad's '37 Kay, and every time I play the '37... shit, it's like I was used to slicing frozen butter with a VCR, and then transitioning to slicing thawed butter with a straight razor.
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Post by: valley_parade on 07 Dec 2007, 07:34
Pat, that's easily the worst metaphor I've ever seen. Slicing butter with a VCR?
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Dec 2007, 07:45
You haven't played a guitar with 1/8" action, 12-54 brass-wound steel strings, and a 25" scale length?
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Post by: valley_parade on 07 Dec 2007, 07:52
Vaugely, and the neck was warped. I just found it incredibly annoying.
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Post by: Thrillho on 07 Dec 2007, 09:24
I'm sorry, so why exactly is one a pussy for not snapping strings? I prefer the sound of older strings to new ones. New ones are too bright. Plus, I tend to have strings from different packs on my guitar at once. It makes for slightly different tones.

And KimJongSick, ya muthaphuqqing prick - I'm not taking any shit from you. You currently have at least -3 penises and -9 testicles.
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Post by: valley_parade on 07 Dec 2007, 09:27
I'll agree with you on the old strings part. Generally I play mine until they get rusty. And then about another week or so after that.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Dec 2007, 10:02
You currently have at least -3 penises and -9 testicles.

This is why you should start using REAL MAN strings. If even my pathetic ass can use REAL MAN strings (I've been known to use 12s on my Les Paul copy) then you can use REAL MAN strings.
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Post by: Chad K. on 07 Dec 2007, 10:39
oh shit guys it's the dude from Nickelback

Michael Bolton: Yeah, well at least your name isn't Michael Bolton.
Samir: You know there's nothing wrong with that name.
Michael Bolton: There was nothing wrong with it... until I was about 12 years old and that no-talent ass clown became famous and started winning Grammys.
Samir: Hmm... well why don't you just go by Mike instead of Michael?
Michael Bolton: No way. Why should I change? He's the one who sucks.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Dec 2007, 10:53
You currently have at least -3 penises and -9 testicles.

This is why you should start using REAL MAN strings. If even my pathetic ass can use REAL MAN strings (I've been known to use 12s on my Les Paul copy) then you can use REAL MAN strings.

Fuck straight off, Patrick. I'm going to start using 14s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 07 Dec 2007, 11:05
I use D'Addario EJ22's on my guitar. (13, 17, 26w, 36, 46, 56).
I'm also tuned down to C#.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Dec 2007, 11:09
Downtuning = release of tension = not nearly as REAL MAN as tuning to standard E with 13s.

Also: FUCK YOU BOTH, SHANE AND JEPH, I'M GOING TO START USING ANCHOR CHAINS
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 07 Dec 2007, 11:29
A set of 13's tuned to C# would have very snappy tension on pretty much any axe.

Personally, i really prefer the whole light top/heavy bottom thing. Works perfectly for me!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Dec 2007, 12:15
Yeah, well I'm going to start murdering people, around six, maybe seven if I need a spare, and cutting off their dicks and using THEM as strings because I'm that hardcore!

Or something.
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Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 07 Dec 2007, 17:31
because I'm that hardcore! creepy.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Dec 2007, 17:34
because I'm that hardcore! creepy FUCKING METAL.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 07 Dec 2007, 19:15
I'm gonna try .11s tuned to standard.

I'm going to gauge my eyes off when these break ain't I?




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Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Dec 2007, 22:11
Don't worry about elevens, dude.  They are pretty light.


Sometimes, if I have an extra set, I'll just go after them with a pocketknife to hear the broken string scrape against my pickups.   Of course, I'm crazy. 
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Post by: CarpeNoctem on 09 Dec 2007, 01:11
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p312/JERMDADDY/Epiphone%20Archtop/SheratonIIArchtopebony.jpg)
^^^My baby.

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/7/7/499377.jpg)
^^^My baby soon-to-be.

I swear, I love hollowbodies so damn much. I'm a convert for life.
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Dec 2007, 04:39
I hate you so goddamn much right now. I love Sheratons.
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Post by: Thrillho on 09 Dec 2007, 07:19
Don't worry about elevens, dude.  They are pretty light.

What kind of bullshit pissing contest has this thread turned into?
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Dec 2007, 07:30
Let's talk about necks.

I can't play classical nylon-strung acoustics because the neck is so damned wide and I can't friggin' handle that inward-curved fretboard. I have long fingers but I'm so used to necks the width of my electrics that it's nigh impossible for me to play those damn things.

I also prefer the 24.74" scale length because I don't like a whole lot of sustain, as I've mentioned before. I can reach just fine on a 25.5 but it sustains too long for my liking.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Dec 2007, 07:31
Sheratons in black are perfect. Dear god.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 09 Dec 2007, 09:26
So, I just changed my strat from 009ers to 011 to give it a try, and the bridge suddenly lifted a whole bunch. I like the playability a lot more, but is this freaking normal?

I tuned it, the intonation as well, still lifted a lot more than it was when I was using 009. I know the tension is a lot harder, and whatnot, but I don't think this is normal, and I'm afraid to get hit smack with the bridge in the face while playing it.

Also, I'm scared to use tremolo now.
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Dec 2007, 10:11
Man, I am posting in here a hell of a lot.

Just open up the plate in the back and tighten the screws that hold the spring plate. That should help get your bridge back to normal.

I should also suggest adding a couple of springs to the tremolo once you do that, and then re-adjust the spring plate, just so you don't overstress the springs you've got (most stock Strats only have 3 installed at purchase).
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Post by: CarpeNoctem on 09 Dec 2007, 14:00
Sheratons in black are perfect. Dear god.
I hate you so goddamn much right now. I love Sheratons.

I know. It sounds glorious. When I bought it (it was only like, $550) I got to play one of the $2000something Gibsons, and to be honest there wasn't a huge difference. Mostly electronics.
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Post by: Tehz on 09 Dec 2007, 14:37
Anyone have any experience with Gibson Marauders (Wikipedia it if you don't know)?

I see them going for wicked cheap on eBay all the time, and they look pretty badass, but I'd like to hear some opinions before I make any decisions.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 09 Dec 2007, 15:53
(http://i4.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/c8/4a/a8d4_12.JPG)

*gleee*

most recent purchase! Can't wait to put my hands on it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Dec 2007, 16:04
Herm...I'm not a huge fan of Fender amps, but the more I play with it, the more my Fender FM 212DSP grows on me.  I played with the amp modeler, and the bass, middle, and trebels and got it to sound pretty damn good, in my opinion.  The amp I have it set to model is one of the seven or so British tube models.

Which one is that?
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 09 Dec 2007, 16:32
Fender Pro Reverb, dated 1979, 70w pure tubes baby.

It's freaking sweet and I want to make sweet love to it all night long.

I'll get some pics once UPS decide to deliver it. In the next YEAR or so.
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Post by: jeph on 09 Dec 2007, 17:58
Nice! Silverface Fender combos are really underrated.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 09 Dec 2007, 20:16
I think my friend has an old Epi Sheraton in red.  This same friend has a silverface Bassman half-stack he leaves in my basement.  He also recently received the following as a gift (he plays bass and guitar):

(http://www.longbowbass.com/Portals/1/lbg04b.jpg)

More info. (http://www.longbowbass.com/)
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Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 09 Dec 2007, 21:30
That's a cool looking bass.  I really want to get an upright.  So versatile.
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Post by: Ballard on 09 Dec 2007, 21:54
Wow, that's one weird bass. I checked their site out, and they seem totally for real. I can't quite see what the point is, though, and their FAQ doesn't cover that. Usually companies that make weird shit do so because they think it is better somehow or optimal for certain players.
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Post by: FireAarro on 09 Dec 2007, 23:12
Cool bass, but $395? A bit much for a stick with tuners, bridge, pickups and a couple of output jacks.

I use .011-.052 on my Jaguar, .010-.049 on my Jazzmaster right now but will probably put .011s on that too. I'm deciding between .010s and .011 for my Casino. On bass I like .045-.105, .135 for the B string if I remember right. I use D'Addario XLs for everything, haven't tried other guitar strings but have tried other bass brands (DRs, TI Flats) and not liking them. I too like my strings slightly dead.
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Post by: godinpants on 09 Dec 2007, 23:48
*longbow bass*
More info. (http://www.longbowbass.com/)

I prefer krappy guitars (http://www.krappyguitars.com/)

They make some with bodies too.
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Post by: valley_parade on 10 Dec 2007, 05:38
Cool bass, but $395? A bit much for a stick with tuners, bridge, pickups and a couple of output jacks.

I use .011-.052 on my Jaguar, .010-.049 on my Jazzmaster right now but will probably put .011s on that too


You have a Jag and a Jazzmaster? JEALOUS.
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Post by: Patrick on 10 Dec 2007, 06:36
I was about to say the same thing, but with more use of the word "bastard".
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Post by: StaedlerMars on 10 Dec 2007, 07:01
So I'm looking for a new guitar/amp.

I currently have a Yamaha beginner's pack (EG 112 with with a GA-10 amp), which have lasted me 6 years. The guitar is starting to get a twang I don't quite like, and the amp is starting to buzz at lower and higher volumes. I don't ask for much in way of quality, but it's starting to become a bit annoying.

My budget is fairly tight/ I don't know all that much about guitars (six strings, neck, body, pickups), or amps(sound -> more sound).

Any suggestions? What should I be looking for? Are these danelectros worth looking into?
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Post by: valley_parade on 10 Dec 2007, 07:10
Danos have a very specific sound, but at the price the reissues are selling for (about $250), why not get one?

How big of an amp are you looking for/what do you play?
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Post by: StaedlerMars on 10 Dec 2007, 13:46
I'm not planning any shows any time soon, so the amp doesn't have to be big, just something with a decent sound that I can hear in my room. In fact, if I get a new guitar, I'm probably not going to be able to get a new amp for a while.

I play a bunch of everything, but if I'm just jamming I end up playing surf - or stuff that sounds like it. Not much gain, melodic, pretty distinct notes.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Dec 2007, 13:59
I might be being a bit hypocritical here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say a small Fender might do nicely for that.  Especially one of the tube ones.  Like a DeVille or something.  I don't know, it's just a thought.  I kind of liked the clean and dirty tones you could get out of them.
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Post by: Ballard on 10 Dec 2007, 14:20
I can't stress enough- spend as much as you can on the amp. A lot of people save up for nice guitars and settle for shitty amps, and get shitty tone as a result.

Your Yamaha through a nice amp will sound loads better than a Dano through your little practice amp.

I second the Fender Hot Rod DeVille or Deluxe suggestion. They are somewhat muddy at hi-gain settings but for the kind of music you described, they are perfect. Also if you later decide to play shows, they have more than enough power for you to use them on stage.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 10 Dec 2007, 14:22
Sadly, the cheapest tube fender is $200 new.  And that's for a 5w practice amp.  If you are really on a tight budget, but need something new, I suggest you look at a Kustom Tube 12A Practice amp (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Kustom-Tube-12A-Practice-Amp?sku=481230).  It's solid state, but it has a tube pre-amp, and I've heard some very good things about it. 

As far as guitars go, I really have to vote for looking for a used or new Danoelectro re-issue.  For their quality they are DIRT cheap.  Mine was $180, and it plays and sounds great.  New they run for about $250, but do some snooping around at your local music stores (aka not Guitar Center) and see if you can find some.  Also, from what you said about what you like to play, a Dano sounds about right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Dec 2007, 14:30
I don't trust companies that replace "c" with "k" to sound cooler. They are up to something.
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Post by: FireAarro on 10 Dec 2007, 15:32
I might be being a bit hypocritical here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say a small Fender might do nicely for that.  Especially one of the tube ones.  Like a DeVille or something.  I don't know, it's just a thought.  I kind of liked the clean and dirty tones you could get out of them.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

I don't think you should get a Danelectro, personally. I wouldn't have one as my only guitar, they are fairly special things with lots of quirks. (Do the new ones have truss rods?) They feel about as cheap as they look, even though they sound great. Though I think the new ones have adjustable bridges which is a plus over the old wooden things they used to use...

If you can give us a better idea of your budget we'll be able to make better suggestions.

I also agree with Ballard on getting a nice amp. Anything through your amp will probably sound crap. Having said that I do have this tiny solid state bass practice combo which was my first amp ever which I enjoy playing guitar through.
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Post by: Patrick on 10 Dec 2007, 15:39
I stomped the everliving FUCK out of my first amp. It was a Johnson RepTone 15, a little 15w solid-state job. Made out of masonite, didn't last long. It seriously took like 2 kicks from some running shoes and it was already well beyond repair.

But damn it sounded good before it became so shitty as to warrant my rock star rampage.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 10 Dec 2007, 15:41
I'd like to put in a good word for the Ibanez Valbee.

Very nice-sounding little valve amp.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 10 Dec 2007, 19:04
I absolutely wish I could run an Orange Tiny Terror to one of those Orange 1x12 cabs.  I played my Dano through that setup before I bought it and I basically was in heaven.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Dec 2007, 20:58
I wish Orange amps weren't so god damned expensive.  I'd possibly get one if they were relatively affordable.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

It's relatively small, when you think about it.  I play a 100 Watt Fender amp in my room, and that works fine.  I mean, there are some Krank cabs that go up to like, 1000 watts or something utterly ridiculous like that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 10 Dec 2007, 21:50
The guitar is starting to get a twang I don't quite like,
I end up playing surf
a twang I don't quite like
surf

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 10 Dec 2007, 21:51
I can't stress enough- spend as much as you can on the amp. A lot of people save up for nice guitars and settle for shitty amps, and get shitty tone as a result.

Agreed. In all honesty, if I had been smart, I would have spent half the money I did on my Ibanez and taken the extra few hundred and plowed it into a solid li'l pratice amp. As it stands now I basically swipe my brother's gear for as long as I can get away with it. Ah well, at least it's bought me some time to figure out what I'm looking for before I really commit some dollars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Dec 2007, 21:58
I wish Orange amps weren't so god damned expensive.  I'd possibly get one if they were relatively affordable.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

It's relatively small, when you think about it.  I play a 100 Watt Fender amp in my room, and that works fine.  I mean, there are some Krank cabs that go up to like, 1000 watts or something utterly ridiculous like that.

I have a 50 watt Mesa/Boogie combo and the goddamned thing is SO LOUD I only ever needed to turn the master up to 5 when playing with my friend (who is the loudest drummer I've ever played with).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Dec 2007, 01:41
Shane recently showed me a Fender amp that was something like 2500w, I think it was. It came with 25 sets of earplugs. Shane, help me on the specifics here.

During testing of this godforsaken monster at full volume, they set off car and building alarms and the police came banging on their door wondering what the fuck was going on. I am pretty sure you can get all kinds of feedback from that beastly creation.

Also my 1x12 100w Marshall combo has been known to rattle the windows across the street.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 11 Dec 2007, 02:05
I wish Orange amps weren't so god damned expensive.  I'd possibly get one if they were relatively affordable.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

It's relatively small, when you think about it.  I play a 100 Watt Fender amp in my room, and that works fine.  I mean, there are some Krank cabs that go up to like, 1000 watts or something utterly ridiculous like that.

What's your amp?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 11 Dec 2007, 02:50
I wish Orange amps weren't so god damned expensive.  I'd possibly get one if they were relatively affordable.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

It's relatively small, when you think about it.  I play a 100 Watt Fender amp in my room, and that works fine.  I mean, there are some Krank cabs that go up to like, 1000 watts or something utterly ridiculous like that.


Alas, if I remember correctly your Fender is Frontman Series aye?

60Watts tube power is enough to mow down the lawn if you turn it in 6, tear down a brick wall on 8, and kill small rodents on 9.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: StaedlerMars on 11 Dec 2007, 03:37
The guitar is starting to get a twang I don't quite like,

Trust me, no good twang.

Your Yamaha through a nice amp will sound loads better than a Dano through your little practice amp.

OK

Quote
I second the Fender Hot Rod DeVille or Deluxe suggestion. They are somewhat muddy at hi-gain settings but for the kind of music you described, they are perfect. Also if you later decide to play shows, they have more than enough power for you to use them on stage.

It upsets me that the list price for those Fenders is about 500 - 650 quid = 1000 - 1300 dollars (on google search anyway)

However, on craigslist I saw some for 400 dollars, which makes me happy, cause that's basically my budget.

My biggest problem with a big amp (sizewise) is that I do a lot of traveling, and If I were to get one in NY, where it would be considerably cheaper, I would have to ship it to the UK, and still 'need' to have an amp in NY. So I'm guessing I'm looking for a smaller amp that's of decent quality.
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Post by: FireAarro on 11 Dec 2007, 03:54
I wish Orange amps weren't so god damned expensive.  I'd possibly get one if they were relatively affordable.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

It's relatively small, when you think about it.  I play a 100 Watt Fender amp in my room, and that works fine.  I mean, there are some Krank cabs that go up to like, 1000 watts or something utterly ridiculous like that.


Alas, if I remember correctly your Fender is Frontman Series aye?

60Watts tube power is enough to mow down the lawn if you turn it in 6, tear down a brick wall on 8, and kill small rodents on 9.

If his amp is a solid state that explains it. Solid state amps are basically maxed out at the rated wattage, and clip hard if pushed beyond. Tube power stages just start to break up there and can be cranked a fair bit more depending how dirty don't mind getting.

How small are you looking at, Staedler?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Dec 2007, 05:27
Shane recently showed me a Fender amp that was something like 2500w, I think it was. It came with 25 sets of earplugs. Shane, help me on the specifics here.

Fender Metalhead. 550 watts.
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Post by: Patrick on 11 Dec 2007, 06:45
Jesus! Only 550? Man my memory sucks.

...holy shit it would be AWESOME to use a 2500w rig.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 11 Dec 2007, 07:50
Get on ebay- look up an old Music Man 2x12 combo.  Realize you're getting a classic Fender tube amp by Leo himself for like $400-$500 without the Fender nameplate.  Go home happy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Dec 2007, 07:54
Jesus man, quote tunnels...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 11 Dec 2007, 08:48
Shane recently showed me a Fender amp that was something like 2500w, I think it was. It came with 25 sets of earplugs. Shane, help me on the specifics here.

Fender Metalhead. 550 watts.

Which is still solid state.

Ie. utterly useless.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Dec 2007, 11:52
I'm a little weary about it just because Fender's trying to do something metal-related.

Myself? Gonna get an AC-15. Eventually. *crosses fingers*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Dec 2007, 12:42
I would fuck a walrus if it meant getting an AC30 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Vox-AC30CC2-30W-2x12-Custom-Classic-Combo?sku=482620) and a 2x12 cabinet. I played my SG through an AC100 head + 4x12 cabinet in a store in mid-September and it really tested how well my parents potty trained me as a child. That thing was VICIOUS, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 12 Dec 2007, 01:37
since i don't know how to post pictures on a forum cuz i'm hot smart like that i'll tell you the guitars i have:


my prized possession is my gibson firebird VII reissue

i also have a Fender telecaster - maplewood which is the baby i learned on all those many years ago
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: StaedlerMars on 12 Dec 2007, 03:55
How small are you looking at, Staedler?

If it fits in a suitcase with room to spare for some clothes and it doesn't weigh a ton I'll be happy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 12 Dec 2007, 08:38
How small are you looking at, Staedler?

If it fits in a suitcase with room to spare for some clothes and it doesn't weigh a ton I'll be happy.

It's way more than $400, but my guitar player plays this - http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM06/Content/Fender/PR/Jazzmaster-Ultralight.html  It sounds absolutely incredible, it's tiny as hell, and is louder than his silverface.  Damn cool amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 Dec 2007, 22:41
Quote
the Jazzmaster Ultralight offers an incredible 250 Watts of sparkly clean Fender solid-state tone, with effects that have been voiced specifically for jazz guitar.

Nope, definitely not Nickelback.
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Post by: jeph on 12 Dec 2007, 23:01
Now I want to hear a bossa nova cover of "This Is How You Remind Me."
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Post by: Ballard on 12 Dec 2007, 23:05
Good god I wish I had the equipment to do this right now.
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Post by: Patrick on 12 Dec 2007, 23:37
Bossa nova requires a lot more use of maj6 chords than anybody in Nickelback is capable of. Hate to disappoint you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 12 Dec 2007, 23:39
Now I want to hear a Nickelback song with the maj6th overdubbed on top of everything. Just that one note.

"[CLONK] This is how [CLONK] you remind [CLONK] me"
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Post by: Patrick on 12 Dec 2007, 23:41
Just punch a goose at random intervals while listening to the song.
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Post by: Ballard on 12 Dec 2007, 23:58
Just punch a goose at random intervals while listening to the song.

There is something inherently wrong with this idea.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Dec 2007, 00:09
Just punch a goose at random intervals while listening to the song.

There is nothing inherently wrong with this idea.

Geese are jerks.
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Dec 2007, 00:21
I remember my mom and I were on the Autobahn and all of a sudden I see this flight of 2 geese. All of a sudden, THUNK, we hit one of them at 90mph. I laughed really hard when I learned they mate for life and I am pretty sure this thread seals my fate as a bastard/non PETA member.

I'm going to laugh every time I hear a Nickelback song now.
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Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 00:23
Sounds like a Lifetime movie. 'cept you left out the female goose's crippling heroin addiction and struggle to rise above her problems.
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Post by: Tehz on 13 Dec 2007, 03:21
You just described every Lifetime movie ever made.




Wait, this is the Guitar Topic?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 03:30
Seriously.

LESS YAPPING MORE FAPPING (http://www.pmblues.com/product_pics/98c.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 13 Dec 2007, 03:35
Gross.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 13 Dec 2007, 04:07
Fapping?

(http://www.otheroom.com/namm06/images/guitars/curry-bass.jpg)

I know it's not exactly a universally aesthetically pleasing design but goddamn does it look like something that should make fucking ludicrously good music in the hands of the right person.  Maybe if Bruce Wayne's parents hadn't died and he became a rock star?
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Post by: FireAarro on 13 Dec 2007, 04:17
Fapping?

(http://www.otheroom.com/namm06/images/guitars/curry-bass.jpg)

I know it's not exactly a universally aesthetically pleasing design but goddamn does it look like something that should make fucking ludicrously good music in the hands of the right person.  Maybe if Bruce Wayne's parents hadn't died and he became a rock star?

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/04/science/04obse.crab.600.jpg)

I like it better than the dragon thing. The upper horn is a bit much though.
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Post by: SilentJ on 13 Dec 2007, 05:05
JESUS LAMARCK WAS RIGHT

...*cough*

I think for my next guitar I want something like this. (http://www.seagullguitars.com/productperformerfolkcwgt.htm)

Mmmm, Seagull.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 05:07
I love Seagulls but that is one hell of an awkward cutaway.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 13 Dec 2007, 05:27
If you are playing that high on an acoustic YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 05:31
It's like, a fucking right angle.
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Post by: Thrillho on 13 Dec 2007, 05:36
Just punch a goose at random intervals while listening to the song.

There is nothing inherently wrong with this idea.

Geese are jerks.

I think you were misunderstanding  which part he took exception to.
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Post by: Lummer on 13 Dec 2007, 10:16
I PLAY MEGADETH RIFF FOR YOU!!

http://download.yousendit.com/AAC3F8DF6181F8CB
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Dec 2007, 10:40
I never really liked that PRS Dragon. I do like the fact that it's got the 2vol and 2tone pots though, quite a nice departure for the 1vol1ton that PRS likes to dick around with.
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Post by: Chad K. on 13 Dec 2007, 13:08
Now I want to hear a bossa nova cover of "This Is How You Remind Me."

Done.  Well, actually its just those lyrics set to "Girl From Ipanema," but I think Jobim's almost as much of a bastard as those Nickelback folks, so the combination was a natural.
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Dec 2007, 14:42
Fuck everybody who hates Squiers, my Bullet will fucking destroy any of you people's guitars. Even that filthy man Jeph Jacques cannot win the badass guitar contest against this thing.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2562.jpg)

FUCK YEAH MOTHERFUCKER
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Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 17:43
That Squier looks like it's been through a zombie apocalypse.

Did you somehow find a natural finish Squier or did you strip the paint?
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Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Dec 2007, 20:55
Kim, I love your guitar.  But, I have to be honest, the McDonald's sticker brings the whole thing down.
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Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 20:58
Yeah, it does. An OBEY sticker would do well on top of it.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Dec 2007, 21:01
I love the "Use First (Use Primero)" sticker, though.
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Post by: jeph on 13 Dec 2007, 21:34
Yeah the McDonalds sticker ruins it.
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Dec 2007, 21:50
Guys it's a $90 guitar that I got for free that I spraypainted with a ten year old. It's not exactly like it's a damn Van Gogh.
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Post by: Thrillho on 14 Dec 2007, 05:18
...yeah, but the McDonald's sticker ruins its purity.
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Post by: valley_parade on 14 Dec 2007, 07:10
FUCK YEAH MOTHERFUCKER

Patrick I love you. That is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Dec 2007, 08:55
...yeah, but the McDonald's sticker ruins its purity.

No.
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Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 14 Dec 2007, 20:12
For my next guitar, I want one of these (http://www.mansons.co.uk/images/feature_images/3%20neck%2Ejpg).
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Post by: audacity on 14 Dec 2007, 20:14
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but even if it has, it's worth being mentioned again -> http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9815768-1.html
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 14 Dec 2007, 20:32
It had its own thread.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 14 Dec 2007, 20:52
For some reason I find the idea of guitar that tunes itself unsettling.
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Post by: Ballard on 14 Dec 2007, 22:12
It had its own thread.

Two, in fact.

greenMonkey, sentient musical instruments are a bad, bad idea. They'd band together and play Freebird 'till we went insane.
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Post by: Patrick on 15 Dec 2007, 01:22
it's worth being mentioned again

INCORRECT

Seriously, if somebody's too damn tone-deaf to tune their own instrument, they shouldn't be making music. Case closed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Dec 2007, 01:24
As much as I dislike the guitar, you missed the point behind it, Patrick.

It not only tunes itself to standard low E but you also have 5 alternate tunings at the turn of a knob. Convenient I guess, if you use them all often.
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Post by: Patrick on 15 Dec 2007, 01:44
No, I get the point. The point is to kill the awesome performer-and-crowd banter that goes on during tuning/guitar changes.
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Post by: valley_parade on 15 Dec 2007, 06:05
Y'know, if I start playing gigs, my witty banter is going to be "GUYS HOLD THE FUCK ON I NEED TO TUNE THIS TO B STANDARD, ALRIGHT?"


Favorite banter ever: A Lawrence Arms live show I have.

Brendan: It's great being here in Champaign tonight..
Crowd: WE'RE IN URBANA!
Brendan: ...Lobando!? What did you say?
Crowd: URBANA.
Brendan: Esto lamtan..something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 15 Dec 2007, 16:33
I've come to the realisation that this is the only thread I come to these forums for anymore.

On topic though.
I have this old tiesco, which I'm sure I posted earlier in the thread.
Anyway, I got this thing for about $20, and its pretty good for what i paid, but the frets are very worn.
Also the screws on every piece of hardware(except the pickguard) have been stripped on top because the previous owner couldn't use a screwdriver.

So I ask you mighty guitar gods, should I drill out these screws, plug the holes and refit all the hardware?(as well as unbending where the previous owner tried to pry the bridge off with a screwdriver, and managed to take a chunk out of the body) And should i also pay to have it re-fretted?
I say refretted, because a fret dressing would have no effect, some of the frets are paper thin.
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Post by: Thrillho on 15 Dec 2007, 16:50
Y'know, if I start playing gigs, my witty banter is going to be "GUYS HOLD THE FUCK ON I NEED TO TUNE THIS TO B STANDARD, ALRIGHT?"


Favorite banter ever: A Lawrence Arms live show I have.

Brendan: It's great being here in Champaign tonight..
Crowd: WE'RE IN URBANA!
Brendan: ...Lobando!? What did you say?
Crowd: URBANA.
Brendan: Esto lamtan..something.

My best stage banter to date has been 'Sorry I forgot how that one went in the middle there.'
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 15 Dec 2007, 20:34
I've come to the realisation that this is the only thread I come to these forums for anymore.

On topic though.
I have this old tiesco, which I'm sure I posted earlier in the thread.
Anyway, I got this thing for about $20, and its pretty good for what i paid, but the frets are very worn.
Also the screws on every piece of hardware(except the pickguard) have been stripped on top because the previous owner couldn't use a screwdriver.

So I ask you mighty guitar gods, should I drill out these screws, plug the holes and refit all the hardware?(as well as unbending where the previous owner tried to pry the bridge off with a screwdriver, and managed to take a chunk out of the body) And should i also pay to have it re-fretted?
I say refretted, because a fret dressing would have no effect, some of the frets are paper thin.

Pics? Doing all that might be more effort than the guitar is worth... but it's up to you to decide that. A lot of these old cheap guitars are terrible, but some Teiscos were pretty cool.
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Post by: Ballard on 15 Dec 2007, 22:12
It really depends on the Teisco. The one you described sounds like the ultimate low-end student models from the 60s/70s. Which means that while they're technically vintage, they're still pretty basic guitars.

If you're willing to completely refurbish the guitar, it might be worth it. Play it messed up and see if you like the tone. New shiny bits won't change that very much.
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Post by: yossarian07 on 15 Dec 2007, 22:38
Speaking of Mansons, I think that guy makes the most badass guitars ever for Matt Bellamy
(http://www.musewiki.org/images/Kaoss_Manson.jpg)
Seriously, a Korg Kaoss pad and a Fernandez Sustainer built right into it. What more could you want.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Dec 2007, 22:41
At my place of work (Ludlow Guitars) there is a cool lookin' guitar with a wah probe under the pickguard. Coolest thing ever.
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Post by: yossarian07 on 15 Dec 2007, 22:51
At my place of work (Ludlow Guitars) there is a cool lookin' guitar with a wah probe under the pickguard. Coolest thing ever.
Never heard of anything like that before. It seems like it wouldn't be as good as just using a Wah pedal since you would need a free hand to play it.
Pretty cool idea though. I like the idea of onboard effects, it just seems like not too many people have gotten the hang of them yet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Dec 2007, 23:00
in b4 Bo Diddley

When I get back to Albania on the 28th I'll have to take a photo of the body of my Johnson Strat that I had him sign.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 15 Dec 2007, 23:18
At my place of work (Ludlow Guitars) there is a cool lookin' guitar with a wah probe under the pickguard. Coolest thing ever.
Never heard of anything like that before. It seems like it wouldn't be as good as just using a Wah pedal since you would need a free hand to play it.
Pretty cool idea though. I like the idea of onboard effects, it just seems like not too many people have gotten the hang of them yet.

Z.Vex made some of these guitars, you don't need a free hand to play it actually, it follows your strumming hand. Read here: http://zvex.com/guitars/

That Manson is way cool. Chrome soapbar P90s? Hell yes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Dec 2007, 07:56
Yeah, it's right underneath the pickguard so you use your strumming hand. The difficult part is playing lead but it's all a matter of getting used to it.

The one we have isn't the Z.Vex Teardrop model. It's made by another company and it's this really cool lookin' semi-hollow offset guitar
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Post by: Patrick on 16 Dec 2007, 11:26
this really cool lookin' semi-hollow offset guitar

??? (http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/savannahDLX/savannahDLX_frm.htm)
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Post by: FireAarro on 16 Dec 2007, 12:42
Talking about cool lookin' semi-hollow offset guitars...

(http://www.12fret.com/used/FenderStarcaster714284.jpg)
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Post by: Patrick on 16 Dec 2007, 13:58
I wish they'd reissue that, those fuckers.
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Post by: Ballard on 16 Dec 2007, 18:43
The Starcaster is pretty but I've really been diggin' the Coronado lately.

I'll take pics of the wah guitar next week, Pat.
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Post by: valley_parade on 17 Dec 2007, 05:25
Good news!

Eastwood is doing a Pete Shelley (http://eastwoodguitars.com/Other/peteShelley/images/shelley-big/shelley3-big.jpg) (Buzzcocks) signature guitar!


Bad news!

Mike Robinson from Eastwood just emailed me back. They're doing 88 of them and that's it. Ever.
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Post by: Thrillho on 17 Dec 2007, 07:20
Whilst it has a cool, iconic value to it...uh, it looks like crap.
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Post by: valley_parade on 17 Dec 2007, 07:25
The original snapped in two in like...'78? He played it as-is, and that's why it looks the way it does. Heh.
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Post by: Patrick on 17 Dec 2007, 09:20
I hope he used krazy glue.
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Post by: FireAarro on 17 Dec 2007, 20:16
Whilst it has a cool, iconic value to it...uh, it looks like crap.

Yeash.
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Post by: Ballard on 17 Dec 2007, 20:25
Personally, I'm not a fan of artist guitars. Like, I am not Pete Shelley, or Jimmy Page, or Brian May. I think it's a bit pretentious to play a replica of someone else's guitar. I'd rather have my own style.

That said, I think it looks pretty badass. I just wouldn't ever get one.

I'll probably get to play with one eventually because the guitar shop I work at likes Eastwood a lot and carries most of their guitars, as well as the owner is a huge Buzzcocks fan.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 18 Dec 2007, 00:55
Personally, I'm not a fan of artist guitars. Like, I am not ...Jimmy Page...
Don't you mean you are not Les Paul?  ;)
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Post by: jeph on 18 Dec 2007, 01:11
The Les Paul has transcended being an "artist" guitar, especially considering that Les Paul himself plays guitars that have very little to do with current "Les Pauls" in terms of electronics and such.
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Post by: jeph on 18 Dec 2007, 01:12
PS: God Damnit why is Gibson making more of these (http://www.gibson.com/promotions/reverseflyingv/).
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Post by: FireAarro on 18 Dec 2007, 01:35
(http://www.modernguitars.com/imagefiles/2007summernamm/day3/NAMM-DAY-THREE---17.gif)

Who buys these things?  :?
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Post by: valley_parade on 18 Dec 2007, 05:13
I hope he used krazy glue.

Nah dude, like..the top bit snapped off and he never bothered putting it back on. That's why the guitar's kinda flat on top.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 18 Dec 2007, 06:36
Why was I reminded of this (http://www.instrumentpro.com/P-JAYJTSHARK) when I saw the reverse flying V?
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Post by: valley_parade on 18 Dec 2007, 06:38
Who buys these things?  :?

That guy, maybe? It looks like his name is "Greg". GREG, WHY DO YOU BUY SUCH HORRID LOOKING GUITARS?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 18 Dec 2007, 06:57
The only "signature" guitar I'd really like to try is the Music Man Albert Lee guitar. Not because of the looks (http://images.miretail.com/products/full/musicman/632866234674696778_X.jpg), but because of the way they play. Really bright, crisp single-coil tones. Also, I haven't tried it, but apparently the neck is a creamdream.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 18 Dec 2007, 07:07
PS: God Damnit why is Gibson making more of these (http://www.gibson.com/promotions/reverseflyingv/).

Holy shit. Not only does it represent a penis, but it's now actually shaped like one.

That said, I actually think it's an improvement over the Flying V.

Also, just wait for companies like B. C. Rich to start doing reverse Randy Rhoads asymmetrical Flying V-knockoff guitars.
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Post by: Patrick on 18 Dec 2007, 10:46
An improvement? Now the body shape is even MORE awkward for seated playing, you have even less control over your sound, and you have less of an ability to reach every fret.
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Post by: valley_parade on 18 Dec 2007, 11:45
Patrick, say you're in a crowd and people are trying to find you. Hoist the guitar skyward, and it instantly turns into an arrow, pointing out "AMIGOS, ESTOY AQUI!"
You've gotta look at the positives.
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Post by: Patrick on 18 Dec 2007, 11:56
That only works with the original V. The body shape is like this:

>---=

And when held skyward by the neck it goes like this:

V
 |
 |
 "

When you hoist the reverse V skyward by the neck, it just makes an up arrow.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 18 Dec 2007, 12:06
You got the neck wrong. it looks like this:

>-

|
"
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Post by: Beastmouth on 18 Dec 2007, 14:07
The Les Paul has transcended being an "artist" guitar, especially considering that Les Paul himself plays guitars that have very little to do with current "Les Pauls" in terms of electronics and such.

Don't you mean to say that Gibson are just waiting to reissue the Recording model?  It's actually the most modern design of a guitar with his name, barring perhaps the semi-hollow Signature, and the only thing nonstock on Mr. Polfus's is the Bigsby, I believe.  Gibson just find it easier to reissue the crappy ones. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 18 Dec 2007, 14:58
An improvement? Now the body shape is even MORE awkward for seated playing, you have even less control over your sound, and you have less of an ability to reach every fret.

Dude, nobody gets a Flying V in order to play it seated. It looks like the fret reach is about the same.

By improvement, I meant looks cooler.
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Post by: Patrick on 18 Dec 2007, 15:16
Idunno, the tailpiece shape really doesn't flatter the body shape very well.
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Post by: Ballard on 18 Dec 2007, 15:31
At least it's not the Flying Z (also known as the Thunderbolt)

(http://www.jjm.ch/images/guits/bolt3.jpg)
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Post by: sean on 18 Dec 2007, 15:38
That has got to be the ugliest and the dumbest guitar I have ever seen, hands down. That guitar is an abomination.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 18 Dec 2007, 15:49
Agreed.  I think this thread is now The Ugliest Guitars thread.

Like this one: (NSFW I would say.)

http://www.guitarsite.com/newsletters/gnw/images/ugly06/01-11penis.jpg (http://www.guitarsite.com/newsletters/gnw/images/ugly06/01-11penis.jpg)
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Post by: Ballard on 18 Dec 2007, 15:50
NO DO NOT KILL THIS THREAD PLEASE NO!

That said, you beat me by literally a second to:

(http://www.audiomastermind.us/wp-content/images/wangcaster.jpg)
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Post by: FireAarro on 18 Dec 2007, 15:51
PS: God Damnit why is Gibson making more of these (http://www.gibson.com/promotions/reverseflyingv/).

Holy shit. Not only does it represent a penis, but it's now actually shaped like one.

What? Reverse Flying V looks like a penis? I don't know what yours looks like...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Dec 2007, 16:26
I'm going to laugh when every one of those shitty reverse-Vs has a body break.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 18 Dec 2007, 19:32
I think the intricate inlays near the Wangcaster's neck are really hilarious.  Who would think to put such intricate, beautiful detail on a guitar that's shaped like a penis?
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Post by: FireAarro on 18 Dec 2007, 20:00
Not really inlays, just pickguard designs. Pubic hair?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 18 Dec 2007, 20:10
Guys, I kind of want a Taylor.  I don't really like how my Washburn has lots of trebel, but no bass.  Taylors, have a good amount of both, though.  So I want a Taylor.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 18 Dec 2007, 20:41
Not really inlays, just pickguard designs. Pubic hair?

Precisely.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 18 Dec 2007, 21:25
An improvement? Now the body shape is even MORE awkward for seated playing, you have even less control over your sound, and you have less of an ability to reach every fret.

Dude, nobody gets a Flying V in order to play it seated. It looks like the fret reach is about the same.

By improvement, I meant looks cooler.
How does it look cooler?  I can't even imagine that thing balancing at all anywhere but the moon.


Also, when I read yr sig I keep seeing "Wood alcohol + benzos!" which is extra disturbing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Dec 2007, 22:30
Guys, I kind of want a Taylor.  I don't really like how my Washburn has lots of trebel, but no bass.  Taylors, have a good amount of both, though.  So I want a Taylor.

Taylors are DELICIOUS, man. I played one in Reno before I got my SG. Man, that neck was made of fucking heroism and justice. I could play fucking -anything- on that thing.
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Post by: MadassAlex on 19 Dec 2007, 04:31
HAY GUYZ

I want to start work on a PROJECT GUITAR. Basically, I want to buy a cheap, yet sturdy guitar and over the course of some time tinker, alter and refurbish it into something awesome.
Can anyone reccomend an el-cheapo guitar that has nice handling? Best case scenario, I don't want to have to bother with changing the neck(but I will if I have to).
I'm a fan of Ibanez, Schecter and Epi/Gibson in particular. I guess I like my necks superflat or nice and round. Pickups, electronics, ect. will all probably be altered at some point. If the guitar has a flat finish I'll mess with that, too. Preferably a tune-o-matic kind of bridge, too. I hate messing with a guitar for ages to make sure it's set right after each change of strings.
I got an offer for a cheap Ibanez for around 300 AUD. Wizard neck and mahogany body, plus a free case. I'm leaning towards that right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 19 Dec 2007, 07:47
Personally, I'm not a fan of artist guitars. Like, I am not Pete Shelley, or Jimmy Page, or Brian May. I think it's a bit pretentious to play a replica of someone else's guitar. I'd rather have my own style.

Yeah, agreed, especially with the more distinctive looking guitars like Red Special. About the only artist instrument I've seen that really made sense to me has been my brother's Geddy Lee jazz bass, since it's a nice and clean looking and has a relatively unique feature (skinniest neck I've seen on an under $1000 jazz bass) and actually isn't a total rip off at $800 or so new, which is pretty amazing considering that decent basses aren't cheap and it's got an artist attached to it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Dec 2007, 08:01
That only works with the original V. The body shape is like this:

>---=

And when held skyward by the neck it goes like this:

V
 |
 |
 "

When you hoist the reverse V skyward by the neck, it just makes an up arrow.

I meant hold it by the large pointed end, neck facing upward.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 19 Dec 2007, 08:30
I think the intricate inlays near the Wangcaster's neck are really hilarious.  Who would think to put such intricate, beautiful detail on a guitar that's shaped like a penis?

Those aren't inlays, that's just somebody making swirly patterns in a 2-tone pickguard with a small router bit. Takes about 10 minutes if you know what you're doing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 19 Dec 2007, 08:32
At least it's not the Flying Z (also known as the Thunderbolt)

(http://www.jjm.ch/images/guits/bolt3.jpg)
:-o :laugh: :-o

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Dec 2007, 08:37
So that's what happened to the Moderne.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 19 Dec 2007, 12:17
I just want to destroy it. Immediately.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 19 Dec 2007, 15:01
Quote from: Wikipedia
Stylistically Modernes are characterized by an elongated upper treble bout (similar to the Flying V), a scooped-out bass bout (similar to a shark fin), an oblong headstock (similar to Gumby's head) with inverted tuners, and gold hardware.

lol
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 19 Dec 2007, 18:30
I'd say we should do wikipedia favor and take turns editing that to "Stylistically the Moderne looks like ass", but it sounds like work.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 19 Dec 2007, 23:22
At least it's not the Flying Z (also known as the Thunderbolt)

I bet that thing has pretty amazing balance given the length of the bass horn.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 20 Dec 2007, 06:10
I dunno, all that weight forward of the bridge pickup means it probably balances horizontally at best. All the comfiest-balancing guitars (Strats, Les Pauls, PRSes, hell even Explorers) have most of their weight at or behind the bridge pickup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 20 Dec 2007, 06:30
The only problem I have with my Firebird is that it's prone to diving down neckwards because of the headstock. Oh wells.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 20 Dec 2007, 15:12
The only problem I have with my Firebird is that it's prone to diving down neckwards because of the headstock. Oh wells.
How's that? 
Every time I've played a Firebird I've thought it just about the best balanced instrument I've ever held.  Is yours reverse or Fender styled?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 20 Dec 2007, 16:12
Aww, I didn't realize that the thread was shifting to ridiculous instruments like the moderne with it's "gumby head."
I guess posting mine will seem kind of tame... oh well

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/InitiateFailure/DSCN0102.jpg)

It's such a sweet instrument. Fender thinline tele, TC-90 with the duncan p-90s in it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 20 Dec 2007, 16:16
The only problem I have with my Firebird is that it's prone to diving down neckwards because of the headstock. Oh wells.
How's that? 
Every time I've played a Firebird I've thought it just about the best balanced instrument I've ever held.  Is yours reverse or Fender styled?

Probably just depends on how you like your guitars to sit. My Firebird is quite comfy, but there's really only one position it naturally sits in when it's strapped on. Good thing for me it happens to be my default playing position anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 20 Dec 2007, 16:30
Aww, I didn't realize that the thread was shifting to ridiculous instruments like the moderne with it's "gumby head."
I guess posting mine will seem kind of tame... oh well

It's such a sweet instrument. Fender thinline tele, TC-90 with the duncan p-90s in it.

Oh god, the Thinline. That thing is fucking gorgeous.

P.S. We already established earlier in the thread that it's not a Tele. The other Thinlines are Teles, but this one isn't.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 20 Dec 2007, 16:39
Aww, I didn't realize that the thread was shifting to ridiculous instruments like the moderne with it's "gumby head."
I guess posting mine will seem kind of tame... oh well

It's such a sweet instrument. Fender thinline tele, TC-90 with the duncan p-90s in it.

Oh god, the Thinline. That thing is fucking gorgeous.

P.S. We already established earlier in the thread that it's not a Tele. The other Thinlines are Teles, but this one isn't.

I always just called it one because except for the double-cut it's basically the same body as a tele. I can abide by the decisions of the thread in general though. From now on I'll just call it my awesome guitar
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 20 Dec 2007, 17:08
Nah I only mention it 'cause I spent an hour arguing that it IS in fact a Tele and got proven wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 20 Dec 2007, 17:52
haha, yeah I just saw some of the posts from earlier in the thread. Although I'm still convinced that the word telecaster is involved in the model name. I could be wrong, I've had the thing for a couple years now So I haven't really been paying attention to it. I heard they were discontinued but I never looked it up
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Dec 2007, 18:23
It's definitely Tele-inspired, and yes, the TC probably stands for "Telecaster", but it's definitely a different piece. For example, she appears to have a set neck.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 20 Dec 2007, 19:02
It's definitely Tele-inspired, and yes, the TC probably stands for "Telecaster", but it's definitely a different piece. For example, she appears to have a set neck.

Yeah it is set, and the neck's much flatter than any of the tele's I've played which is one of the reasons I loved it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 20 Dec 2007, 19:11
I would very much like to have intercourse with that TC.

It is THAT awesome.

I want a Reverend Manta Ray. Besides, with that name, I can only think of an priest gunslinger bible in one hand, six-shooter in the other, and I want to play something like that.

Really.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 20 Dec 2007, 20:01
That TC-90 is indeed gorgeous.  I kind of wish they made them in different finishes though.

EDIT: Nvm, I just looked it up on Musiciansfriend and it comes in white and is even more gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Dec 2007, 20:12
Oh my god...are those soap bar pickups?  I think I might have to get a guitar like that...It is a beautiful instrument.

>.<  Damnit!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 20 Dec 2007, 20:23
They're Seymour Duncan P-90s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 20 Dec 2007, 20:24
I want a Reverend Manta Ray. Besides, with that name, I can only think of an priest gunslinger bible in one hand, six-shooter in the other, and I want to play something like that.

Haha, it helps that the manta ray looks pretty cool too.

Oh my god...are those soap bar pickups?  I think I might have to get a guitar like that...It is a beautiful instrument.

>.<  Damnit!

And it has great tone, at least for everything I've tried to play on it, so it's pretty damn versatile for me. I feel lucky 'cause I haven't seen another one (in my area at least) before or after getting this one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Dec 2007, 20:26
Yeah it is set, and the neck's much flatter than any of the tele's I've played which is one of the reasons I loved it.

I have mixed feelings about flat necks. While I adore being able to play stupid-fast riffs, the muscles in my thumb start to get really sore after a long day of bar/barre/whatever chords. Either way though, HOLY SHIT SEMI-HOLLOW FENDER WITH GOOD FRET REACH.

On Monday I finally sent my SG back to Gibson to get her repaired or replaced. They said the typical return time is 2 weeks, but this time a year it gets bumped to 3 or so. Either way, I won't see her again until I'm back in CA in March.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Dec 2007, 12:37
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc212/voodoo_child777/Ibanez%202008/XPT707FX-GCM.jpg)

I am afraid I will have to buy this in the coming year..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 21 Dec 2007, 12:44
How's that? 
Every time I've played a Firebird I've thought it just about the best balanced instrument I've ever held.  Is yours reverse or Fender styled?

I know it's pretty much a completely different beast, but Thunderbird basses are notorious for their ridiculous neck dive.
I had one, and it was awful.
That's kind of always turned me away from buying a Firebird because I figured it was a body shape thing.
Then again, I can't stand my mates SG because I constantly need to hold the neck up.
With these new testimonials from both Beastmouth and Jeph, I may look into a Firebird, because I've always loved the shape and sound.


Yeah, one thing y'll have to remember is that the Thunderbird was Gibson's first long-scale bass, so they probably did put a little too much weight on the neck end. 

Also, on that thing above me, why?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Dec 2007, 12:55
Also, on that thing above me, why?

Mainly because of the specs on it. Also, it is the first decent Ibanez 7-string with a fixed bridge to be produced in AGES!
It is a mahogany body with a maple top, neck-thru walnut/mahogany neck and comes with a set of decent DiMarzios. Sounds cool to me!

The shape also lends itself well to some of the music I play.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Dec 2007, 15:24
Why the hell are they using maple, mahogany, and walnut if they're putting an opaque finish on there? Those woods are too beautiful to justify covering them up.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 21 Dec 2007, 17:00
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc212/voodoo_child777/Ibanez%202008/XPT707FX-GCM.jpg)

I am afraid I will have to buy this in the coming year..

I'll have to borrow it from you so I can gouge out my eyes with the headstock.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 21 Dec 2007, 17:44
The other end would work better.  I mean, damn,  look at that upper bout at the tail.  You could probably cut down a tree with that axe.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Dec 2007, 17:57
I see what you did there.

Edit: Oh what the fuck, I passed 4000? Weird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 21 Dec 2007, 18:17
Yes, it's an odd body.  The reversre headstock I like, tho; I find tuning a touch easier on a reverse headstock.  What I just can't understand is those inlays.  What on earth?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 22 Dec 2007, 05:25
Why the hell are they using maple, mahogany, and walnut if they're putting an opaque finish on there? Those woods are too beautiful to justify covering them up.

My thought exactly. I can't decide whether I like that colour-changing finish or not. It does look at LOT better in real life, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 22 Dec 2007, 06:08
The only problem I have with my Firebird is that it's prone to diving down neckwards because of the headstock. Oh wells.
How's that? 
Every time I've played a Firebird I've thought it just about the best balanced instrument I've ever held.  Is yours reverse or Fender styled?

Epiphone! Bolt-on neck.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 22 Dec 2007, 11:35
lummer, isn't that the artist guitar for one of the guys in Necrophagist?

Yes and no. He is the posterboy for it, but it isn't a signature model as such.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 22 Dec 2007, 11:58
(http://www.salwender.com/images/einstein_1_388x282.jpg)

DO want.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jposh on 22 Dec 2007, 15:43
Well, because of being verbally beat senseless after my first post, I've been avoiding posting, but this is a special case.

I've wanted to play Guitar for a long time, and have finally sat down with my mom's acoustic, to learn a few notes and chords. I've kind of realized that I could use some lessons but, because of the incredibly shitty economy, at least locally, if not elsewhere, there is a lack of money in my household, and I can't afford them. I can afford music books though, so does anybody have any suggestions for a good one? Does anybody have an idea as to what else I could do to try and teach myself?


Also, I plan on eventually going to electric to, and I was looking at 7 strings, any ideas as to what I should get? I know it will be kind of expensive, but I can save some money, and I might be able to get my mom to match it
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 22 Dec 2007, 19:22
Just get any book with a good explanation (with pictures/diagrams) of open and barre chords and scales. From there, you'll be able to teach yourself just fine.

When I originally started playing, mine came with a DVD which I found pretty helpful since I mainly taught myself.

P.S. I promised pictures of the onboard wah guitar we have at my work. I didn't wanna bring a camera in to work (kinda weird) so I just checked the manufacturer and found it online.

This (http://www.tonesmith.com/guitars_electric_custom_316.asp) in a teal finish.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Dec 2007, 19:36
I like how they pretty much just jacked the Fender headstock shape and put a notch in the little ball end.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 22 Dec 2007, 19:54
Dude so did like half the guitar companies in the world.

Also that was snarky and useless as a post. What are you, Zerodrone?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Dec 2007, 20:00
ARE YOU HAPPY NOW EUGENE

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2586.jpg)

Why yes, this is in fact the same photo as in the photo thread. And yeah I took that McDonald's sticker off 'cause of you whiny whiners.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 22 Dec 2007, 20:41
I played one of these (a Gretsch G5135 Electromatic Corvettee) at a Sam Ash in NYC, and I think I'm in love.

(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8742/gretschg5135gd2.jpg)

And for only $525, too. If you played one, you'd never believe that it was this cheap.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 22 Dec 2007, 20:42
Dang, that Gretsch is sexy shit (as always with Gretsch)

What is the deal with the f-hole on that wah guitar? Weeird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Dec 2007, 20:51
That's a sweet looking Gretch.  I played one today at Guitar Sam in Montpelier.  I didn't really like the pickups...I also played a Gibson SG Gothic, and I didn't really like the pickups on that either.  I don't know what it is, I just don't like humbuckers very much.  :\

I played this custom Squire Strat with all stacked pickups, though.  That sounded pretty bitchin'.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 22 Dec 2007, 21:05
holy crap, i want that Gretsch (but without the trem)!

what colours does it come in?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 22 Dec 2007, 22:45
Faded cherry and faded brown I think.

The F-hole makes the wah guitar all the more cool.

Yeah, Gretsch's Electromatic series has some really cool shit for pretty decent prices.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 23 Dec 2007, 05:02
I'm pretty sure this is the best guitar I've ever seen...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/teevee/wtf.jpg)


For anyone who remembers my bass quest, I finally bought one, and have been playing around with it. Whatever I learnt about playing the guitar when I was 13, I've either completely forgotten or found that it's not applicable to bass, lolz. But I'm having fun anyway! Also the test results on my buggered wrist have all been inconclusive, so eh, I'll just keep playing 'til my hand drops off, or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 23 Dec 2007, 05:07
I like how they pretty much just jacked the Fender headstock shape and put a notch in the little ball end.
You mean Paul Bigsby's headstock shape that Leo Fender jacked?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 23 Dec 2007, 16:35
Dang, that Gretsch is sexy shit (as always with Gretsch)

What is the deal with the f-hole on that wah guitar? Weeird.

I thought it was a pretty bitchin' f-hole on the wah guitar.

Although, I feel like I may be too stupid to figure out where the control for the wah is? I like the channel select-knob at top-left though (unless that's wah control. In that case I like the wah control)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 24 Dec 2007, 00:16
Although, I feel like I may be too stupid to figure out where the control for the wah is? I like the channel select-knob at top-left though (unless that's wah control. In that case I like the wah control)

No you're right- the black "chicken feet" style knob is a tone knob. Different stages of overdrive. The bottom tone and volume knobs are push-pull and pushing both of them turns on the wah, which is under the pickguard. You use it by moving your fingers around, lkind of ike a theremin.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 24 Dec 2007, 00:51
Hi I'm new so I'm not too sure if this is the best place to post this but here goes anyway.

My dad just gave me his Squier strat as he just bought a new guitar. I have been teaching myself for the past week or so, scales and strumming patterns.
So i was wondering if any of you could suggest any easy songs to start me off.

thanks in advance for any help, and if I have posted this in the wrong thread i apologise.


i HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend not learning songs yet, learn some basic music theory (including WHAT a scale is and how it matters) and learn a bunch of chords, includin gall of your open chords both majors and minors, and the two main barre chord formations, don't make the mistake of "learning by playing songs" that doesn't get you anywhere really but once your confident that you know enough about the guitar to consider yourself some level of a guitar player learn some folk songs, i highly recommend anything old-age bob dylan for chord strumming fun! and stay away from drop-D tuned songs! 9 out of 10 times they're just doing it to "cheat a bar"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 24 Dec 2007, 02:12
I disagree almost entirely with dalconnsuch.

It's better to learn your chords and scales first before moving on to songs but if you take either method too seriously, you'll wind up burning out. Learn a couple of major chords, and then learn a song with those chords in it. Or better yet, find a song made up entirely of open chords and learn it, making sure to learn what each chord is and not just the song.

Also drop D is a cool tuning if you use it properly, just like any other tuning. There's a stigma surrounding it because it's used for a lot of shred metal, but that doesn't make it any better or worse.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: alfrogy on 24 Dec 2007, 03:07
Thanks for the advice, I have memorised most of the major chords and some of the minor ones. I really struggle with th barre chords right now though I can't seem to keep my finger pressed down firmly enough on all the strings there are always a few that are muted.

Oh and can anyone give me a few good websites I can check out, most of the ones I've tried so far have been really vague.

Thanks for everything so far though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 24 Dec 2007, 04:32
Struggling with barre chords is totally normal. I could play open chords fairly well in a number of weeks to a month, but it took me 3 or 4 months to really play barre chords cleanly, and even longer to learn to switch to/between them quickly and accurately.

Websites..

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/
If you need song tabs. You've probably found a tab site already but you basically can't find anything anywhere else that you won't find here. It's the definitive source. If you use 911 Tabs, it's an aggregator rather than a provider. Most of their results come from Ultimate Guitar and the ones that don't are the same tabs that do.

http://www.guitarforbeginners.com/
Cool, easy to follow lessons starting from the very basics and ending with difficult fingerstyle and music theory lessons. You have to sign up to access 'em but they're worth it and the people on the forums are nice, if mostly old fogeys and jazz/rhythm & blues snobs.

http://www.tunemybass.com/
Guitar/bass tuner. There's a ton of presets (standard, drop D, open tunings) but you can set it to any strange tuning you want string by string. Pretty useful until you learn to tune by ear and/or get a tuner. (it's still important to get used to the tuner because it's an integral part of playing any live show. doing it by ear just won't cut it, or shouldn't IMHO)

Good luck! Most importantly enjoy yourself. Never get caught up on scales or any dumb shit someone might tell you to learn. If you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 24 Dec 2007, 04:50
Why learn chords if you're not going to learn the scales that fit them?  :-o
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 24 Dec 2007, 06:07
And yeah I took that McDonald's sticker off 'cause of you whiny whiners.

FUCKING SELLOUT.


On the subject of inexpensive Gretsches: the G5120 is beautiful (http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/9/7/540497.jpg) (clear pickguard aside).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 24 Dec 2007, 09:27
Why learn chords if you're not going to learn the scales that fit them?  :-o

Because you can write a solo without knowing the scales. These days I mostly ignore them anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Dec 2007, 10:14
Also drop D is a cool tuning if you use it properly

The guy from Billy Talent uses it religiously. That guy's got some -epic- riffs, despite the band being hellishly emo.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 24 Dec 2007, 10:43
I am buying a Danelectro 59, I decided this a few minutes ago. It will help me do stuff that isn't wallowing in apathy. Now i need to find a place that sells them here.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Dec 2007, 11:05
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Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
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Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 24 Dec 2007, 16:09
I've got a black Mexican Fender Telecaster Custom, the one with the humbucker at the neck. Its a really sweet guitar, wouldn't trade it for anything, except one of them fully digital Gibson Les Pauls mmmmm  :lol:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Dec 2007, 16:54
Also drop D is a cool tuning if you use it properly

The guy from Billy Talent uses it religiously. That guy's got some -epic- riffs, despite the band being hellishly emo.

Not to forget Tool and Porcupine Tree.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 24 Dec 2007, 17:32
Ah, Ian D'Sa is one of the biggest influences on my guitar playing. The chordal parts that don't stay in one place, the conscious effort to do rhythm and lead at the same time. And is tone is great too, chiming but jagged.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 24 Dec 2007, 19:12
Although, I feel like I may be too stupid to figure out where the control for the wah is? I like the channel select-knob at top-left though (unless that's wah control. In that case I like the wah control)

No you're right- the black "chicken feet" style knob is a tone knob. Different stages of overdrive. The bottom tone and volume knobs are push-pull and pushing both of them turns on the wah, which is under the pickguard. You use it by moving your fingers around, lkind of ike a theremin.

Sounds like a pretty sweet design. I wish someplace around here had something with onboard effects so I could check it out
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 25 Dec 2007, 20:03
Because you can write a solo without knowing the scales. These days I mostly ignore them anyway.

You can write solos - good solos - without knowing scales. The chances that they won't clash with a chord progression when you know nothing about the scales is very very slim, however, and it distortion only makes it worse.

Anyone who learns chords should know at least the notes that make those chords and a few basic guidelines of composition and scale theory at some point. Hell, knowing scale theory can mean you never have to learn a scale on its own again.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 25 Dec 2007, 20:49
Composing solos is kindof lame anyway. It's way better to do spur-of-the-moment improvisation.

I hellof got a Duncan soundhole pickup for my Kay for Atheist Kids Get Cool Shit Day, as well as a Boss DD-20. I'm jazzed as fuck.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 25 Dec 2007, 21:57
Composing solos is kindof lame anyway. It's way better to do spur-of-the-moment improvisation.

I hellof got a Duncan soundhole pickup for my Kay for Atheist Kids Get Cool Shit Day, as well as a Boss DD-20. I'm jazzed as fuck.

i don't agree with that statement at all, composing solos is just like composing songs if you want to compose a solo well then fuck, artistic freedom too ya! you can go ahead and do the spur of the moment stuff (i do it too) but some of the best solos are composed versus spur of the moment improvs, case in point, the stairway to heaven solo, eruption by van halen, just about every solo by dragonforce, yngwie malmsteen, steve vai, jeff bec, clapton, the list goes on, there is nothing wrong with it at all, its all on what the artist wants to do
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Dec 2007, 03:44
Because you can write a solo without knowing the scales. These days I mostly ignore them anyway.

You can write solos - good solos - without knowing scales. The chances that they won't clash with a chord progression when you know nothing about the scales is very very slim, however, and it distortion only makes it worse.

Anyone who learns chords should know at least the notes that make those chords and a few basic guidelines of composition and scale theory at some point. Hell, knowing scale theory can mean you never have to learn a scale on its own again.

Yup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 26 Dec 2007, 04:36
Learning the scales opens up so many different doors. If you just learn the different shapes for the minor pentatonic scales its really easy to use them in any key and in any way you want. I mostly play the blues and they are just perfect for it. I hardly ever learn songs anymore i just make up my own licks and jam with other guys. Nothing like soloing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Dec 2007, 05:09
Yeah this is probably what I neglected to say, is that while I ignore the scales, I had to learn them first to ignore them. When I write I just deliberately to write stuff with non-diatonic notes and chords in it, but I wouldn't be able to do that very well without knowing the theory first.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Dec 2007, 09:20
One complaint about my delay pedal: doesn't switch delay times fast enough to get that trippy-ass flutter effect.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 26 Dec 2007, 12:00
Yeah this is probably what I neglected to say, is that while I ignore the scales, I had to learn them first to ignore them. When I write I just deliberately to write stuff with non-diatonic notes and chords in it, but I wouldn't be able to do that very well without knowing the theory first.

i still recommend you learning theory, the more you know the more music knowledge you have in your composing tool box, i respect your artistic views on that but i can't stress enough about the importants of learning music theory even if your not gonna use it lol
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 26 Dec 2007, 13:42
Both theory and scales are useful but necessarily required basic material. I learned rhythm guitar for the first 6 or 7 months and practically ignored scales. While I admit that this decision bit me in the ass a bit when I finally decided to learn lead, it only took me a week or so to catch up and it was more productive and less frustrating than if I had tried to learn them around the same time as chords.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Dec 2007, 15:24
Yeah this is probably what I neglected to say, is that [size=20]while I ignore the scales, I had to learn them first to ignore them.[/size] When I write I just deliberately to write stuff with non-diatonic notes and chords in it, but I wouldn't be able to do that very well without knowing the theory first.

i still recommend you learning theory, the more you know the more music knowledge you have in your composing tool box, i respect your artistic views on that but i can't stress enough about the importants of learning music theory even if your not gonna use it lol

...dude, are you actually READING my post?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Dec 2007, 10:16
Yeah this is probably what I neglected to say, is that [size=20]while I ignore the scales, I had to learn them first to ignore them.[/size] When I write I just deliberately to write stuff with non-diatonic notes and chords in it, but I wouldn't be able to do that very well without knowing the theory first.

i still recommend you learning theory, the more you know the more music knowledge you have in your composing tool box, i respect your artistic views on that but i can't stress enough about the importants of learning music theory even if your not gonna use it lol

...dude, are you actually READING my post?

POST NUMBER 666 IN THIS THREAD!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: JackyL on 27 Dec 2007, 11:00
[img width= height=]http://www.nantelmusique.qc.ca/upload/Speciaux/b4fl.jpg[/img]

I thought I would bring some bass action before you guys completely rape my eyes (literally) with your guitar/penis pics....

This is my bass, and my first post :lol: I also have an upright.. and an acoustic.. and an ashbury.. I need to buy fewer basses >.<
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Dec 2007, 11:56
I also have an upright..

I thought you were talking about an upright piano at first.  But then I remembered there were upright basses too.

Man, I want a piano.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Dec 2007, 12:06
Oooh, fretless <3
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 27 Dec 2007, 12:17
I have to say, I have been rather impressed with Cort's most recent efforts.  I liked the Curbow, I loved the Elrick, and the GB series jazz basses are great. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: JackyL on 27 Dec 2007, 12:49
When I went to look for a fretless my good buddy showed me a custom he had built that is almost identical to the court. Swamp ash body, wegie wood neck (which sounds amazing with flatwounds), Bartolini mk 1 picks, and solid on board electronics. My next conquest is 6 sting Warwick to satisfy my metal obsessions.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 27 Dec 2007, 13:39
ooooh basses, this is where i work been playin bass since i was 6, well before my guitar days


i have a fretless rickenbacker, its my baby, plkayin fretless is hard man, study up on yer theory! i ain' tkiddin around
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Post by: JackyL on 27 Dec 2007, 13:54
I'm going to college on a string bass scholarship and I'm taking AP theory in high school as we speak and loving it so theory is not a huge problem for me. :lol: It's good to know that someone else out there isn't afraid of that beautiful fretless sound, it's well worth the practice! Sometimes its hard for me to play fretted instruments because I feel really limited as far as pitch control and slides and whatnot. I wish I had a Rick, classic sound like that is not easy to come by.
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Post by: valley_parade on 28 Dec 2007, 07:51
I'd love to get an upright bass someday.
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Post by: Ballard on 28 Dec 2007, 11:12
I play an upright in my school's string orchestra.

It's beginner string orchestra and I got suckered into doing it so it's rather boring.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Dec 2007, 11:14
I'd love to get an upright bass someday.

I'd love to get an upright piano.
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Post by: Thrillho on 28 Dec 2007, 15:22
I need a new bass. With my back issues, my current one is killing me. It's so heavy, man, it's ridiculous. I'm going to trade it in for another one.
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Post by: thermodynamics on 28 Dec 2007, 16:49
i love my black 1978 fender musicmaster bass to death. of course, it has the single coil traded for a seymour-duncan musicman alnico-5 humbucking pickup, but the ease of playing a short scale bass makes it a joy on stage. that and it is so fucking light. i throw it around :) mine was only $275 in a pawnshop.
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Post by: Ballard on 31 Dec 2007, 09:57
I have a question for you guys. This is the current object of my affections (sorry Eastwood)

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/9/8/269498.jpg)

It plays like a beast, and is absolutely gorgeous. Also I usually prefer maple necks. But shit, tell me this guitar wouldn't look better with a rosewood fretboard?

Is there any way to keep the maple fretboard but dye it black or something? I'm not attached enough to the maple tone to never trade it up for real rosewood, but new necks are hells of expensive.

Maybe if I got it aged it'd look nicer. But brand new and sparkling clean it looks really ehhh.
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Post by: Johnny C on 31 Dec 2007, 10:04
Dude just buy that guitar and treat it like a newborn. They sound so great.
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Post by: Chad K. on 31 Dec 2007, 12:02
Is there any way to keep the maple fretboard but dye it black or something? I'm not attached enough to the maple tone to never trade it up for real rosewood, but new necks are hells of expensive.

There's no great way to dye a finsihed neck.  You'd have to strip out the frets and take out the nut and remove the clear coat.  And then, you'd never get it dyed to match how you want it.  It's just not worth it.

You're right, though.  I had thought you were going for the George Harrison all-rosewood guitar look, and checked Warmoth for an all rosewood replacement neck- $899-$999.  No frets, no nut, just a neck.  Yikes. 
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Post by: Patrick on 31 Dec 2007, 12:27
Just play it with sweaty hands nonstop for about 12 years and you will get a nice grime buildup on there.
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Post by: Ballard on 31 Dec 2007, 12:36
Way to be like every stereotypical sensei in every kung fu movie of the last 40 years Pat.
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Post by: Patrick on 31 Dec 2007, 12:41
Yngwie fucking Malmsteen, man.
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Post by: MusicScribbles on 31 Dec 2007, 12:48
Have there really been any true fung fu movies in the last ten years? I vote NO.
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Post by: Ballard on 31 Dec 2007, 13:11
What the fuck are you talking about, Scribbles?

Afro Samurai. 'nuff said.
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Post by: Patrick on 31 Dec 2007, 13:21
JET FUCKING LI, MAN
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Post by: greenMonkey on 01 Jan 2008, 14:22
So guys, I'm taking my Dano in for a setup soon, and I'm wondering what kind/guage strings to put on it.  I have no idea what kind are on there now.  Advice?
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Post by: FUBAR on 01 Jan 2008, 14:33
Have there really been any true fung fu movies in the last ten years? I vote NO.

Did you not watch Fearless?
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Post by: jeph on 01 Jan 2008, 15:22
So guys, I'm taking my Dano in for a setup soon, and I'm wondering what kind/guage strings to put on it.  I have no idea what kind are on there now.  Advice?

.10s. There're probably .09s on there now. .10s sound better.
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Post by: Patrick on 01 Jan 2008, 16:20
WHAT'S THAT, JEPH? DID I HEAR YOU SAY ".10"? PUSSING OUT FOR LIGHTER GAUGE STRINGS, I TAKE IT?
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Post by: jeph on 01 Jan 2008, 17:27
BITCH I'MA CUT YOU
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Post by: Tehz on 01 Jan 2008, 17:43
I have a question for you guys. This is the current object of my affections (sorry Eastwood)

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/9/8/269498.jpg)

It plays like a beast, and is absolutely gorgeous. Also I usually prefer maple necks. But shit, tell me this guitar wouldn't look better with a rosewood fretboard?

Is there any way to keep the maple fretboard but dye it black or something? I'm not attached enough to the maple tone to never trade it up for real rosewood, but new necks are hells of expensive.

Maybe if I got it aged it'd look nicer. But brand new and sparkling clean it looks really ehhh.

I have one of those. Amazing guitar, it is.
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Post by: Patrick on 01 Jan 2008, 17:46
BITCH I'MA CUT YOU

LET ME GUESS, YOU'RE GONNA USE .10-.46 STRINGS AREN'T YOU

PUSSY
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Post by: greenMonkey on 02 Jan 2008, 06:21
BITCHES, I ALSO REQUIRE BRAND ADVICE

Thanks for the tips!
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Post by: Beastmouth on 02 Jan 2008, 12:45
BITCHES, I ALSO REQUIRE BRAND ADVICE

Thanks for the tips!
Strings?  Don't waste money on Elixirs or any of that fancy junk.  I've had good luck with D'Addario XLs, for me, they sound good and last.  Most importantly, play 11s.  Anything less is just asking to break a string every other week.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Jan 2008, 13:15
break a string every other week.

 :oops:  I guess I should play something heavier.


...Or get better at guitar.  One or the other.
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Post by: Ryder on 02 Jan 2008, 20:39
I just got an old Danelectro Baritone. I've started using instead of bass, and I'm loving it.

My other guitars are an SG 101, a Tele, a Les Paul, a Collings acoustic/electric, and this custom, but unnamed brand acoustic. Some nice variations.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 03 Jan 2008, 01:53
My dads started collecting old acoustic guitars from the 1930's off of ebay. Some of them sound really really sweet. I got this little thing that you put on the tone pot of the guitar called black ice which turns the tone pot into an on guitar overdrive system. It's pretty cool but i miss my tone.
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Post by: Patrick on 03 Jan 2008, 02:01
That would drive me nuts, having to trade one of my tone knobs with an overdrive knob. I'll stick with putting stompboxes (sans springs) on top of my amp.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 03 Jan 2008, 02:12
Yeah it's not that brilliant for just practicing, my dad bought it on a whim. It would be cool if you were in a band and were playing quite a quiet song then you could rip into and awesome solo. Unfortunately me equals no band. :|
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Post by: greenMonkey on 03 Jan 2008, 02:45
I just got an old Danelectro Baritone. I've started using instead of bass, and I'm loving it.

I would love to do this.  I would play Evens songs constantly.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 03 Jan 2008, 19:57
Been catchin' some John Mayer licks by ear. Guy knows his blues. Mostly pentatonic jollying around, but these days what isn't*?


Other than that, been spoiling my '79 Pro Reverb, and been wiggling around in Open Tunings with my Fender acoustic.

What are -YOU- guys up to?



* - In the mainstream music. Don't get all indie on me.
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Post by: Patrick on 04 Jan 2008, 00:01
Lufthansa finally found all my shit again, so I have my cables and my delay pedal back. I need to get my Marshall back from my friend. When I do, it's Ted Leo cover time.
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Post by: valley_parade on 04 Jan 2008, 07:08
Keep it and tell him it got lost. *nods*
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Post by: valley_parade on 04 Jan 2008, 09:07
I hate you, Gretsch.

HATE YOU. (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gretsch-Guitars-G5122-Double-Cutaway-Electromatic-Hollowbody-Electric-Guitar?sku=514651)
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Post by: Patrick on 04 Jan 2008, 09:09
So I lied about covering Ted Leo when I finally got the chance to record with my delay pedal. Sue me. (http://www.box.net/shared/grea3d6kgc)
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Post by: Thrillho on 04 Jan 2008, 12:59
while i still have it i'm going to make a voicemail greeting of pinch harmonics

You just won at life.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Jan 2008, 22:08
So I lied about covering Ted Leo when I finally got the chance to record with my delay pedal. Sue me. (http://www.box.net/shared/grea3d6kgc)

Nice.
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Post by: Ballard on 05 Jan 2008, 01:29
Nice.
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Post by: valley_parade on 05 Jan 2008, 08:57
Much to the non-delight of Patrick, winter NAMM is coming in two weeks. Ampeg have already announced that they're going to sell moderately priced, wood-based Dan Armstrong models, complete with switchable pickups.

LINK (http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM08/Content/Ampeg/PR/Dan-Armstrong-AMG100-Electric-Guitar.html)
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Post by: Patrick on 05 Jan 2008, 17:47
It's not so much non-delight at a gearhead circlejerk, it's non-delight at the fact that I am fucking poor.

EDIT: Also guys dig this shit. So I shipped my busted-up SG back to Gibson for warranty repair/replacement, right? I paid for delivery confirmation. Been looking back now and then to see if it has even gotten to Gibson, and no go.

So about a day and a half ago, I get an email from my dad saying he's got the guitar back, and he's like "Do you want me to open it for you to see how it is?" I'm like "YAYAYAYA PLZ!" So he opens the package up, and... no SG.

Went back to the tracking thing on the USPS website and I still had the following notice:

"Your item was accepted at 12:44 PM on December 17, 2007 in LIVERMORE, CA 94550. No further information is available for this item."

tl;dr they lost my shit, and if I don't have my SG at my dad's house within a week, I'm filing the insurance claim. I bought $700 worth of insurance in one package, so as to cover both the guitar and the expensive-ass case, and so with the insurance money I am going to buy myself an Epiphone Sheraton II.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Jan 2008, 02:09
Bump for update on my SG situation.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 07 Jan 2008, 02:40
Thats pretty fucking ridiculous on the postal services part.  What's the Shereaton II like. Looks a bit like an ES 335.
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Post by: Ballard on 07 Jan 2008, 06:42
Wait dogg, they're not paying you the full value of what they lost if you bought that big an assload of insurance?

Good to hear that you're getting something out of it finally, though.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Jan 2008, 07:39
Well, the guitar was $550 and the case set me back another hundred, so I rounded it up to the next hundred and insured that much. I'm covered, I'm gonna have a guitar again, and this time the headstock angle isn't the ridiculous 17º, it's more like 10º.

Also, as I've told Shane via MSN, it is going to be damn nice to be able to get such strong body-vibe feedback that it's impossible to read the volume and tone knobs.
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Post by: valley_parade on 07 Jan 2008, 07:45
And I thought I was obsessed with feedback...
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Post by: Ballard on 07 Jan 2008, 07:51
.. that's what she said!

I'm dearly sorry
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Post by: Thrillho on 08 Jan 2008, 03:35
Feedback is great. Magnetic Fields just released an album composed of feedback.

I personally have made several collages out of feedback.

Once I set up a panning and tremelo effect or some shit, it was a preset on a pedal, and I left my guitar feeding back. It meant the feedback moved side to side, and in rhythm, and it changed shape. It was AWESOME. So I ran to the next room, set my organ playing on orto so it had this swelling note coming up and down, and then I stood in the doorway between the two rooms playing acoustic guitar over it.

I did this for like, half an hour to an hour. I lost track of time. But it was GREAT.
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Post by: Lummer on 08 Jan 2008, 11:37
Yeah, I guess feedback can be fun, but go ahead and call me a dick pre-emptively, for I have only this to say:

Aren't you supposed to actually play the damn thing?! I've always thought that was what you did with a guitar.
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Post by: Patrick on 08 Jan 2008, 12:51
Some of us do ;)

Nah, I mean, I use feedback like Hendrix did. It's good to have feedback that you can get easily, but still keep under control. Gives you a different means of expression. Some people, such as our darling Gaz here, use it in different ways from how I do it.
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Post by: Lummer on 08 Jan 2008, 13:13
Oh, okay. That's the kind of stuff i occasionally use myself. It is pretty rare though, that I run out of sustain.
<3 Mahogany bodied guitars..

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Post by: Thrillho on 08 Jan 2008, 13:29
Of course you're supposed to play guitars. But I'm at this weird point as a musician where I do allsorts of weird shit to my instruments - anything except put them through effects - to obtain the sound I want. I hope one day to be able to form a metal band and use my lap steel, because you can get some great riffs on that mutha.

Feedback is just another sound, and sound can be used to make music.

I forget where it's from, but there's some song I have somewhere where there's a sample of some guy saying 'you see, we are scientists of sound.'

That's a delightfully pretentious - and sadly appropriate - way of putting it...

Oh yeah, it's from the introduction to some Radio One show.
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Post by: Lummer on 08 Jan 2008, 13:32
I saw a swedish hardcore/sorta-grindcore band called Crowpath last year, and the guitarist used a Lap Steel. I nearly shat my pants with joy at the mere thought of it, but the sound at the venue was horrible so it turned into total mush just like the guitar :(

I imagine it's really cool on record, though.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Jan 2008, 13:45
Lummer made me wonder something with that mahogany body comment. Is there a website that describes the kinds of tones that different tonewoods give?
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Post by: Lummer on 08 Jan 2008, 13:58
Here you are:

http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/options/options_bodywoods.cfm
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Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Jan 2008, 14:28
Ah, thanks a lot.
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Post by: asdfasdf on 08 Jan 2008, 16:34
I'm looking to get into guitar (having played classical piano, other instruments for past 9 years or so), and I want to get an electric. What's the best value i can get for 500$ or less? I was thinking about just buying an entry level strat, but I'm not sure. Any suggestions?
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Post by: Alex C on 08 Jan 2008, 16:48
What do you want to play? A used tele would be good because they're pretty versatile, but a cheap ESP or lower end Ibanez RG isn't bad either if you like metal. I'm a massive newb compared to most here though, so don't mind me too much.
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Post by: 12-tone on 08 Jan 2008, 16:56
I'm looking to get into guitar (having played classical piano, other instruments for past 9 years or so), and I want to get an electric. What's the best value i can get for 500$ or less? I was thinking about just buying an entry level strat, but I'm not sure. Any suggestions?

I'm a big fan of Godin's budget line. Ridiculous quality, American/Canadian made. You can pick up a used Exit-22 that will blow away basically anything else in that price range.

Schecter also makes really good cheap guitars.

In general, stay away from cheap guitars with Floyds. That includes a lot of cheap Ibanez stuff, but they have so many models I'd have to go look at specific ones to know what has who.

PRS SE series can also be killer on the cheap, if you're into those.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 08 Jan 2008, 17:06
My friend got a cheap cort and it is great value for money cost about the 200 quid range. I think it was the cort x5 but could've been the x2, it's a great guitar anyway.
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Post by: Alex C on 08 Jan 2008, 17:21
[In general, stay away from cheap guitars with Floyds. That includes a lot of cheap Ibanez stuff, but they have so many models I'd have to go look at specific ones to know what has who.


Oh god, I'm an idiot; I forgot about that for a second. Uh, yeah, the Ibanez Edge Pro bridge is good, as is a used guitar with a Lo Pro. The Edge Pro II? Not so much, and the III is worse. I have a guitar with the Edge Pro II, and I personally love it enough not to particularly care, but then, I'm comfortable with the idea of having to replace the edge plate in it, which is something I'm sure most people would just rather not have to worry about.
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Post by: jeph on 08 Jan 2008, 17:23
I have no idea what bridge is in my fancy-pants Prestige 7-string, but it works just as well as the original Floyd my old Jackson had on it.
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Post by: 12-tone on 08 Jan 2008, 17:31
Oh god, I'm an idiot; I forgot about that for a second. Uh, yeah, the Ibanez Edge Pro bridge is good, as is a used guitar with a Lo Pro. The Edge Pro II? Not so much, and the III is worse. I have a guitar with the Edge Pro II, and I personally love it enough not to particularly care, but then, I'm comfortable with the idea of having to replace the edge plate in it, which is something I'm sure most people would just rather not have to worry about.

Hey, as long as it's not a lo-TRS.  :cry:

I have no idea what bridge is in my fancy-pants Prestige 7-string, but it works just as well as the original Floyd my old Jackson had on it.

If it was made after 2003 ( I believe) it's got either an Edge III or some kind of ZR. The Edge I and II are pretty nice, and I actually really like the ZR. I don't really know much about the IIIs.

The big issue with the TRS trems was the goddamn knife edges would wear out, and they weren't replaceable. The better quality trems use hardened steel that lasts a lot longer, and some of them have replaceable knife edges. The ZR is rad because it uses a bearing pivot so you don't have to worry about the knife edges getting dull.

To tell the truth though, Ibanez has way too many models of everything for me to really keep track of everything.
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Post by: Alex C on 08 Jan 2008, 17:50
I'm under the impression that the Edge II & III is basically code for a cheaper Edge Pro (as far as I'm aware all three are still being made). If it's a Prestige S I think it's supposed to have the zero resistance and if it's not an Prestige S it should have the Edge Pro I. And yeah, none of them are as bad as the TRS, which as 12-tone said, isn't replaceable. Since TRS equipped guitars are all used these days, that means they basically spell certain doom. :P

But uh, yeah, other than that, I love Ibanez! A lot of people are just picky because for a long time great trems was basically what the Ibanez experience was all about, and the TRS really kind of hurt them in that area.
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Post by: jeph on 08 Jan 2008, 17:52
I looked it up, it's an "Edge Pro 7." So it's pretty good I guess!
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Post by: Alex C on 08 Jan 2008, 17:58
Oh, trust me, there was never any question whether or not your guitar was made of win or not. The guys at Ibanez definitely aren't stupid enough to make a shit Prestige; the TRS and its successor the Edge Pro III (which, after checking, has replaceable knife edges, so should be just fine, if not as sexy as the Edge Pro) exist only because putting a $250-300 trem in a $350 guitar isn't exactly great business sense.
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Post by: 12-tone on 08 Jan 2008, 18:02
Oh, trust me, there was never any question whether or not your guitar was made of win or not. The guys at Ibaneze definitely aren't stupid enough to make a shit Prestige; the TRS and its successor the Edge Pro III (which, after checking, has replaceable knife edges, so should be just fine, if not as sexy as the Edge Pro) exist only because putting a $250-300 trem in a $350 guitar isn't exactly great business sense.

I stand corrected on the Edge I/II/III thing! I was under the impression that it had something to do with Floyd licensing issues.
I wonder if you can find good hardened-steel replacement knife edges for the Edge III. . .

And yeah, if it's a Prestige that pretty much means it's top-notch.
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Post by: Alex C on 08 Jan 2008, 18:11
I think it was a bit of both, actually; I'm pretty certain they got out from under the Floyd Rose license issue with the Edge II to save money and then compounded it by replacing it with a fairly cheap trem for even greater profit. BTW, I didn't mean to imply that the Edge Pro III is actually related to the TRS in design, I just meant it's taking the TRS's place as the low end option for Ibanez guitars. Sorry for any confusion and bear in mind that I'm an idiot and could still very well be wrong.

Anyway, if you get an ibanez it's probably best to just get a used one with a regular Edge Pro or just a good ol' fixed bridge if you don't plan on dive bombing like a maniac.
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Post by: asdfasdf on 08 Jan 2008, 18:14
What about an epiphone les paul?
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Post by: Spluff on 08 Jan 2008, 19:19
My friend got a cheap cort and it is great value for money cost about the 200 quid range. I think it was the cort x5 but could've been the x2, it's a great guitar anyway.

I can vouch for Cort too, I've got a Cort EVL Z-6 as my 'metal guitar'. I paid $700 for it, and it's comparable to a $2000 ESP / LTD. I have seen nothing but quality from what I've seen of their lineup so far.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 08 Jan 2008, 20:19
Guys I'm really happy because I finally got my Dano back, but the bad news is within the next year it will probably need some work.  Some of the lower frets are very worn, and I might need to get them replaced.  I also probably need to get a new bridge, as the stock one is almost shot.  I'm thinking I'll go for the slighty more expensive Dano bridge which is for the U3, but looks like it should fit the U1 also.  It has individual adjustable saddles for each string, as opposed to one large rosewood saddle on the stock U1 bridge.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 09 Jan 2008, 01:48

Hey, as long as it's not a lo-TRS.  :cry:


I hear ya... I have that trem on my 7-string, and god does it suck all kinds of ass. Any kind of use would the low B, and ONLY the low B go crazy out of tune.
It works pretty good as a fixed bridge though.
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Post by: Thrillho on 09 Jan 2008, 04:55
Where has this idea that Teles suck for metal come from? I used exclusively Teles, mostly my Custom, in my metal band before we split and it sounded great.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 05:08
Yeah i've got a custom tele as well and if you put it on the humbucker and pile the distortion on it sounds brilliant.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Jan 2008, 05:10
I once saw a metal band whose guitarist had a neat Telecaster with dual humbuckers that sounded pretty bad assin'.
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Jan 2008, 06:16
What about an epiphone les paul?

No.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 06:29
What about an epiphone les paul?

Switch the pickups out and it could be decent. I'm thinking about doing that with a plaintop Standard.
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Post by: Lummer on 09 Jan 2008, 07:52
Where has this idea that Teles suck for metal come from? I used exclusively Teles, mostly my Custom, in my metal band before we split and it sounded great.

As long as it has a humbucker, it won't suck.

If it's a completely standard tele with singles... It will. Bad.
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Post by: Thrillho on 09 Jan 2008, 08:09
I always thought that Epiphones were bullshit 'budget' models. For the price of some of the Epiphones, you could get a Fender, not Squier, Telecaster.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 08:11
Scary fact: Squier's been getting pretty decent lately.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 08:21
I think epiphones are pretty good. My friend got an eiphone les paul and it sounds really good, i also tried an epiphone and a gibson les paul out side by side in a music shop and i liked the sound of the epiphone a lot more.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 08:27
I am calling shenanigans. Better than a Gibson?

That said, I heart my Epi Firebird.
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Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 08:28
The hell? That's really weird. Was the Gibson set up properly?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 08:33
Dunno should have been if it was in a guitar store, i definitely remember the epiphone sounding better.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Jan 2008, 08:35
Scary fact: Squier's been getting pretty decent lately.

Yup, I use Squiers all the time...

As for Epiphones sounding better, 'better' is in the ear of the beholder, and wood is inconsistent as a material, so it's entirely possible.
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Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 08:40
Dunno should have been if it was in a guitar store

Hahahahaha. Yeah, this should be the case but it never really is. If you were at a chain store such as Guitar Center that guitar probably hasn't been touched since it was put together at a factory. They go straight from the box out onto the shelves.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 08:47
It was a small store in the middle of Perth (Scotland) i ended up getting a fender jaguar from there but that was a mistake as i rarely ever use it and my telecaster is far more versatile, nicer to play and looks a lot better.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 08:57
Send all unused Jaguars to:


Eh. PM me for address.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 08:59
I'm actually looking to sell it if anyone wants to buy it. Its got a couple of dents in it and one largish dent which doesn't affect the playing at all but does look a bit out of place.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 09:04
*rummages through wallet*

I've got $1 and some used ice hockey tickets.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Jan 2008, 09:30
I'm actually looking to sell it if anyone wants to buy it. Its got a couple of dents in it and one largish dent which doesn't affect the playing at all but does look a bit out of place.

How. Much.

Fun fact: everybody who liked that little song I posted featuring my delay pedal? You admitted to liking the sound of a Squier.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 09:47
£400-£450, i replaced the shitty jaguar bridge with a decent jagstang bridge so that the strings don't keep falling off when you pluck them to hard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 09 Jan 2008, 10:50
I always thought that Epiphones were bullshit 'budget' models. For the price of some of the Epiphones, you could get a Fender, not Squier, Telecaster.

I think epiphones get a bad wrap.  Great hollowbodys, great semi-hollows, great acoustics and some great electrics.  Unfortunately, most people know them from their solid body models, which are admittedly generally bad.

Scary fact: Squier's been getting pretty decent lately.

I played some of the "Vintage Modified" series of basses, and I have to say, I agree.  I want to check out that new Precision TB bass that's built like an old-school tele bass with a single Gibson-style bass humbucker.  Looks tasty.

I just purchased one of these guys- http://cgi.ebay.com/60s-PRECISION-BASS-REISSUE-CUSTOM-BUILD-PRO-SET-UP_W0QQitemZ300188483500QQihZ020QQcategoryZ64400QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It's a hand made custom repro of a '62 Fender P-bass.  I basically wrote the guy and asked if he'd make me a bass like the one in the listing (the listing had closed at the time) and he agreed.  He let me pick my neck and body (sunburst alder with tort pickguard and curly maple neck with rosewood fretboard) and changed the things I hated about my old p-bass- that the truss rod access was at the body joint instead of the headstock and that the neck ended at 21 frets (you know, for all those soaring C# notes you're always having to play). It was ridiculously inexpensive.  I should have it by Thursday or Friday.  If anyone's interested I'll let you know how it came out.  He was a real cool guy and easy as hell to work with.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: asdfasdf on 09 Jan 2008, 10:54
Stratocaster vs. Telecaster (fender models)? Which one is more versatile, sounds better, etc. And what would I have to do with them in terms of replacing pickups etc.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 11:02
*shrug* I think we're all Tele fans around here, so uh..

Telecaster.

Sound-wise, it's really up to you. Go try out a few different models, get whichever one sounds the best to you. If you want versatility, I'd go with an HSS Strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Jan 2008, 12:50
I don't know really, I haven't played enough genuine Fender Stratocasters to really be familiar with them, but I have a Squire Strat that is fairly nice.  I'm not very partial, but if I had to choose one or the other, I guess a Telecaster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Jan 2008, 13:02
If you want versatility, I'd go with an HSS Strat.

Don't say that around Jeph. He will hurt you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 13:08
I will help him.

(I know you love your Bullet Pat and that's cool but in general I hate Strats)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Jan 2008, 13:28
Replace the humbucker with a Duncan of some kind and maybe Jeph won't napalm your entire family.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:07
TOO LATE THE BOMBS ARE IN THE AIR

(actually they are just aimed at the DiMarzio factory. God I hate their pickups)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:08
Also someday I will own one of these

(http://www.andersonguitars.com/images/guitarImages/01,27,2007_04-13-18.jpg)

but without the stupid super-fancy quilted maple top.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Jan 2008, 17:10
Oh wow.  The finish is a bit over the top, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:11
Yeah, agreed. I really just want a black one with a cream pickguard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 17:18
I honestly do not like black guitars at all. Acoustic or electric. They look so boring.

The only one I've ever been partial to is a custom Tele with white binding and a cream pickguard that we have at work. I wish people used white binding more. It totally makes that guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:20
See that's why I LIKE black guitars. Nothing ostentatious about them (unless they have some wacky BC Rich body shape).

Binding pretty much always makes a guitar look nicer.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Jan 2008, 17:25
See that's why I LIKE black guitars. Nothing ostentatious about them (unless they have some wacky BC Rich body shape).

Binding pretty much always makes a guitar look nicer.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I tried to explain that to the others in the electric guitar selection topic, but they wouldn't listen.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:26
You should still not buy a black SG. Everybody knows SGs are supposed to be cherry.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 17:29
Dude there's a fine line between gaudy and beautiful. My proof?

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/8/7/5/269875.jpg)

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/3/3/230733.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:32
Man even Zakk Wylde must be embarassed by that travesty of an instrument

when he's not busy drinking and beating up homosexuals, anyway
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: 12-tone on 09 Jan 2008, 17:35
I honestly do not like black guitars at all. Acoustic or electric. They look so boring.

The only one I've ever been partial to is a custom Tele with white binding and a cream pickguard that we have at work. I wish people used white binding more. It totally makes that guitar.

I like this tele:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/6/6/6/374666.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 17:40
Tell me about it Jeph. The camo one with the original black bullseye design over it isn't any better.

What's with the curved back on that Tele?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: 12-tone on 09 Jan 2008, 17:42
I guess they decided to make on that wasn't shaped like a block. It makes it feel a lot more strat-like, actually.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 18:39
That Tele's all right, but I'm partial to ones with a pickguard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 09 Jan 2008, 18:46
Yeah, chuck a white pickguard on that Tele and omg splooge.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Jan 2008, 19:13
You should still not buy a black SG. Everybody knows SGs are supposed to be cherry.
Cherry would just look horrible for me, maybe one of the brown colors would look better, but after reading Kim's troubles with his SG, I think I am going to go with something else, no matter how awesome SGs look. And Tony Iommi uses a black SG, he singlehandedly makes black SGs awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 19:15
SGs are pretty variable in terms of sound quality. Most of the ones I've played have pretty loose, flabby-sounding bottom end, but every once in a while you come across one that sounds super tight and focused. I guess it's probably something to do with the wood as they all have the same pickups and such.

If I didn't already have a Firebird Studio (which is basically just an SG with a thinner neck and different body shape) I'd want one, I think.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Jan 2008, 19:24
I have no idea what you are talking about sound-wise, I am very new at this, I have been playing a cheapo behringer for the past couple of years, and am just starting to look into a new guitar, because I want a metal guitar, which my strat-clone isn't. I assume you mean that when you switch the amp to playing as low a tone as you can get, some of the SGs just sound really sloppy and mushy, but some of them sound fine?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 20:21
Yeah, basically.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lazer on 09 Jan 2008, 20:48
Playin muh Jackson Stealth EX. Thin neck and decent pickups, it's meant to be a metal guitar but if you jack up the bass on the amp and switch the tone nob down several turns it sounds wonderfully jazzy. Funnily enough I got it as a gift from a guitar collector and had previously never fucking heard of it.

Any tips to make it sound better? Right now unless I'm in jazzy mode it just sounds very generic. Looking for a good amp for it basically, any suggestions? I refuse to get a different guitar as this one is so damn comfortable. Seriously, thin as hell and weighs roughly 6 and a quarter pounds, if that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 09 Jan 2008, 20:50
TOO LATE THE BOMBS ARE IN THE AIR

(actually they are just aimed at the DiMarzio factory. God I hate their pickups)

At the risk of getting bombed into the dark ages, what is that you don't like about DiMarzios? I realize that's a pretty vague question, but if it's just a fear of being mistaken for Steve Vai or something I wouldn't worry about it too much unless you wear fruity blouses more often than I was previously led to believe. I've been in the market for new pickups for a while, but I should probably demonstrate some goddam discipline for once and man up for a decent amp first.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 20:53
Dude, have you seen photos of Jeph? Vai looks like a tiny wimp compared to him.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 09 Jan 2008, 20:59
Agreed, but the risk of underestimating the power of Vai's wardrobe gave me pause.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 21:03
Every guitar with DiMarzios I have ever played sounded thin, tinny, and had awful midrange.

My Ibanez may be an exception, as I suspect DiMarzio makes Ibanez's "fancier" pickups, and if anything that guitar has too MUCH bass. I have to turn down the gain on my amp whenever I plug that fucker in because the pickups are so hot and bassy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 09 Jan 2008, 22:25
My guitar time!
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4070/002fw4.jpg)\
i still need to drill new holes for the damn strap buttons, Ibanez puts them in horible places on this guitar
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 09 Jan 2008, 23:27
What the hell is this?

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=59048

It looks like something you would perform surgery with.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 23:40
What's the medical term for "mind numbing" again?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Jan 2008, 02:46
"Cerebral anesthesia"?

i still need to drill new holes for the damn strap buttons, Ibanez puts them in horible places on this guitar

Ouch man. It's like they want the horns to snap. Just uh, don't drill near that neck, it already looks like that pickup rout is taking a lot of strength out of it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 10 Jan 2008, 11:03
"Cerebral anesthesia"?

i still need to drill new holes for the damn strap buttons, Ibanez puts them in horible places on this guitar

Ouch man. It's like they want the horns to snap. Just uh, don't drill near that neck, it already looks like that pickup rout is taking a lot of strength out of it.

The guitar is a neck-thru, so it's not that bad.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PacoSees on 10 Jan 2008, 11:48
What the hell is this?

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=59048

It looks like something you would perform surgery with.

I totally thought it said Moose-r.

It looks like one of those weapons those guys in Star Trek used.

(Don't ask me which series or episode or species... I was like, 6.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Jan 2008, 12:11
I always thought that Epiphones were bullshit 'budget' models. For the price of some of the Epiphones, you could get a Fender, not Squier, Telecaster.

I think epiphones get a bad wrap.  Great hollowbodys, great semi-hollows, great acoustics and some great electrics.  Unfortunately, most people know them from their solid body models, which are admittedly generally bad.

I wasn't making any comment about the quality of Epis as guitars. I just thought it was a little wacky that their 'budget' model is the same price as a mid-range guitar from their leading competitor.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Jan 2008, 12:49
Fun fact: Fender top-end guitars cost the same as Gibson's standard-run models.

Juuuust sayin'.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 10 Jan 2008, 14:01
Fun fact: Fender top-end guitars cost the same as Gibson's standard-run models.


Yeah, but they aren't Gibsons, now are they?! ;)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Jan 2008, 17:15
What the hell is this?

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=59048

It looks like something you would perform surgery with.

I totally thought it said Moose-r.

Neil Moser used to be one of BC Rich's main designers. Now he's making his own, even more ridiculous-looking models.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Jan 2008, 17:16
My guitar time!
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4070/002fw4.jpg)\
i still need to drill new holes for the damn strap buttons, Ibanez puts them in horible places on this guitar

Oh man someone actually bought one of those things!

I simultaneously HATE it and LOVE it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Jan 2008, 17:29
I think it's fucking beautiful, in the kitchiest way possible.

I generally hate stereotypical pointy metal guitars (mind bombing the B.C Rich plant when you're done with DiMarzio?). But the shape combined with the sparkle finish, both usually lame as shit, makes for a gorgeous guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Jan 2008, 17:32
I hate most BC Riches, but I think Warlocks are pretty sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Jan 2008, 17:42
Ehhhhhhhhh.

Granted, all of my experience with them is the low end models that a couple of poser metalheads at my school have.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Jan 2008, 17:44
Oh, I've never played one that SOUNDED good. They just look cool.

I imagine the USA-made ones are as good as anything else though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Jan 2008, 20:13
I would hate a guitar in that shiny green, and I would hate a guitar with that shape, but I like the looks of that one. Don't know how they did it.

Yeah, the warlock looks kinda cool, reminds me of a beetle or something, like if you put something between the prongs, it will suddenly snap shut and cut through whatever you put in there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 10 Jan 2008, 20:29
A little better picture, if only for teh shirt.
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6828/003ii9.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Jan 2008, 20:41
Are those comfortable? I haven't use any electrics other than strats, but I imagine that something like that wouldn't be nearly as comfortable to play, compared to something with a more conventional shape.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 10 Jan 2008, 20:48
They're actually not that bad, because both the bottom and the top are just a curve (the ends don't really matter). The only thing is that if you stop playing fast metal solos in the vein of power metal or megadeth and play something else, even just for a moment, you feel like your no longer worthy to play the guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 10 Jan 2008, 20:55
Generaly it's very comfortable, i haven't redone the strap pins yet so it has a neck dropping problem still, which has been forcing me to play it sitting down, and it's surprisingly comfortable sitting down, sits a lot like a strat would with your arm resting halfway down the fin that my forearm is resting against instead of against the round part of a strat. On the other hand i'm still trying to find a decently prices guitar stand that will accommodate the shape (trying to avboid a wall mount). On a completely unrelated note but something that i should mention my amp is a Vox ad50vt 212.

Note, guy above me posted that while i was writing all of this.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Jan 2008, 20:57
They're actually not that bad, because both the bottom and the top are just a curve (the ends don't really matter). The only thing is that if you stop playing fast metal solos in the vein of power metal or megadeth and play something else, even just for a moment, you feel like your no longer worthy to play the guitar.
So it is like Speed? If you go slower than Youthanasia, your self-esteem explodes?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Jan 2008, 21:11
One part of me hopes Youthanasia is the name of a metal song, but another really, really hopes it's not.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Jan 2008, 21:13
Metal album, it was also a track on the album. It was the slowest Megadeth album I can think of. Still a really good one.

(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2355/megadethyouthanasiafg8.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Jan 2008, 21:18
A little better picture, if only for teh shirt.
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6828/003ii9.jpg)

Can I put this on the merch page?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 10 Jan 2008, 21:20
Just a quick followup to a previous post- I just got in my handmade '62 reissue p-bass.  I bought it from a seller on ebay called "bikebassnut" if you want to look him up.  He sold it to me direct and let me choose my options- a countoured alder suburst body with tortoise pickguad, classic pickups and bridge, and a figured maple neck with a rosewood fretboard.  He had it done in 3 weeks and sent it on out.  Even with shipping and handling it was less than half the price of a U.S.A. p-bass.  The finish is beautiful, the pickups sound punchy as hell, and it plays better than any bass I've ever owned.  The drawbacks- the tortoise pickguard is one of those fake pixelated tortoise guards that I'll be replacing soon; and, the neck has too high gloss of a finish on it, which is more of a personal preference.  I highly recommend him to anybody looking to get a new Fender style bass.  He's easy as hell to work with and cheap as they come for what he does.  
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 10 Jan 2008, 21:37
sure, you can put it on the merch page
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Jan 2008, 21:57
Man, I don't know the first thing about playing metal or even listening to it. But ever since I first saw Jeph talk about high end metal guitars I've wanted to learn to play it if only to justify getting one like the one above.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 10 Jan 2008, 22:05
Oh, I've never played one that SOUNDED good. They just look cool.

I imagine the USA-made ones are as good as anything else though.

I like the sound and playability of the all-natural 70's B.C. Rich guitars like the Eagle and Mockingbird.  The basses form that era are nice as hell, too.  
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 11 Jan 2008, 07:53
I have a late 70's to Mid 80's Japanese made Warlock that totally does not suck ass like the current import models do.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: asdfasdf on 11 Jan 2008, 11:52
Alright, so I've decided to get a fender telecaster. What should I know about buying one (eg any types to avoid, is the standard model worth it)?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 11 Jan 2008, 14:07
Alright, so I've decided to get a fender telecaster. What should I know about buying one (eg any types to avoid, is the standard model worth it)?

I bought a standard Mexican tele a couple years ago that had a neck twisting issue, which is very bad.  A friend of mine had a similar problem.  Obviously, this is anecdotal and may be resolved, but I am of the belief that you should stick to Fender USA or Japan. 

That said, what type of tone are you looking for?  Are you going twang or metal or something more versatile?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Jan 2008, 14:48
Fender Japan is a bitch and a half to import though, I don't think they're actually allowed to send stuff to the States.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 11 Jan 2008, 15:08
The Ibanez 2008 catalogue:

http://www.t3-kundenserver.de/htmlpages/redasys/_core/databases/t_meinl-uploads/e-git_2008-mini.pdf

I'm diggin' the Omar Rodriguez signature model. Really!

2008 ESP new models.

http://www.espguitars.com/ESPdealer/08models/
http://www.espguitars.com/ESP-2008-Catalog.pdf

And also, the BC Rich 2008 lineup:

http://bcrich.com/2008_bc_rich_catalog.pdf
They now have a Chuck Schuldiner tribute model, which is about damn time!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 11 Jan 2008, 19:18
Oh. My. God.

(http://www.espguitars.com/ESPdealer/08models/Viper-1000_OW.jpg)

That is a CREAM VIPER. I now know what it's like to be a girl, because I just had multiple orgasms.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Jan 2008, 20:49
I like how for the ibanez one, they say "This is the future" and then show a superstrat. Seems I remember seeing a few of those in the past.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 11 Jan 2008, 23:37
The Ibanez 2008 catalogue:

http://www.t3-kundenserver.de/htmlpages/redasys/_core/databases/t_meinl-uploads/e-git_2008-mini.pdf

I'm diggin' the Omar Rodriguez signature model. Really!

2008 ESP new models.

http://www.espguitars.com/ESPdealer/08models/
http://www.espguitars.com/ESP-2008-Catalog.pdf

And also, the BC Rich 2008 lineup:

http://bcrich.com/2008_bc_rich_catalog.pdf
They now have a Chuck Schuldiner tribute model, which is about damn time!


oh god my pants are covered in jizz
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: 12-tone on 12 Jan 2008, 07:40
Fender Japan is a bitch and a half to import though, I don't think they're actually allowed to send stuff to the States.

I've never personally ordered something from there, but as far as I know Ishibashi (http://www.ishibashi-music.com/) is pretty much the place to do it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Jan 2008, 10:21
I read somewhere that if you purchase a Japanese-made Jazzmaster, you're going to get what are essentially Stratocaster pickups that only look like the authentic Jazzmaster pickups.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 12 Jan 2008, 12:31
How do those vipers feel? Is there a reason for that angle on the body other than not wanting to get sued by gibson?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Jan 2008, 02:42
I read somewhere that if you purchase a Japanese-made Jazzmaster, you're going to get what are essentially Stratocaster pickups that only look like the authentic Jazzmaster pickups.

Get some Duncans for it, then. Problem solved.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Jan 2008, 03:50
How do those vipers feel? Is there a reason for that angle on the body other than not wanting to get sued by gibson?

They're said to be a bit neck heavy, and I can *sort of* confirm that.

I had the Viper 407 once, but ended up taking it back to the store, due to the balance.
The Viper owners I've heard from, though, say this is easily fixed by moving the strap button.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2008, 07:12
2008 ESP new models.

(http://www.espguitars.com/ESPdealer/08models/PB-500_BLK.jpg)

Oooooh.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PacoSees on 13 Jan 2008, 10:40
It seems like that guitar has too many strings.  It would look better as a bass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2008, 10:45
You didn't see the three or four 8 strings they're putting out, did you?


How would one tune those, anyway? GBEADGBE or BEADGBEA?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jan 2008, 11:17
Probably the first one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Jan 2008, 11:39
How would one play those, anyway?

Fixed that for you. How it is physically possible to play a 7-string alone is beyond me, but an 8-string? You've got to be kidding me. Unless you're one of those people who taps entire chords at once, in which case, die in a fire, shredder scum.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 13 Jan 2008, 11:49
Die in a fire unless you are Ian Williams (formerly of Don Cab, currently of Battles), because then you're just amazing, and play guitar and keyboard at the same time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Jan 2008, 12:37
Or Michael Angelo Batio, who plays two guitars at once, and has a quad-guitar.

I think the Viper neck-heaviness also applies to SGs, I wonder what causes that? Too small a body? Too dense a neck?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 13 Jan 2008, 12:48
Michael Angelo Batio encapsulates all of the reasons why I would ever join KimJongSick in lighting a shredder on fire.

I love Don Caballero though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: CarpeNoctem on 13 Jan 2008, 13:03
Die in a fire unless you are Ian Williams (formerly of Don Cab, currently of Battles), because then you're just amazing, and play guitar and keyboard at the same time.
Don Cab is terrific. Is there something wrong with me liking the new album (with the only original member being Che) almost more than the others?

Or Michael Angelo Batio, who plays two guitars at once, and has a quad-guitar.
Michael Angelo Batio is horrible. Horrible. His hair looks like one of those hats that the queen's guard wears, and his music is cornier than the Top Gun soundtrack.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Jan 2008, 13:19
How would one play those, anyway?

Fixed that for you. How it is physically possible to play a 7-string alone is beyond me, but an 8-string? You've got to be kidding me. Unless you're one of those people who taps entire chords at once, in which case, die in a fire, shredder scum.

Well.... It's the exact same thing as a regular guitar.

Why people have that whole ignorant/condescending/n00b attitude towards extended range guitars is completely beyond me.
It's an extra string or two, nothing more.
Get over it, or even better, start using it.

By the way, the 8-strings are normally tuned F# B E A D G B E.
Some people tune them up though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Jan 2008, 14:05
Michael Angelo Batio encapsulates all of the reasons why I would ever join KimJongSick in lighting a shredder on fire.

I love Don Caballero though.
He plays amazingly fast, I don't care much for his music, and a 6 minute solo is way too much, but watching him play amazes me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jan 2008, 14:56
It bores the crap out of me.  My friends were drooling over his "skillz" and I was like, "Dude, finger tapping is nothing new."  People use eight fingers to tap all the time, and they generally make better music than Michael Angelo Batio, too.

That's my two cents, anyways.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Jan 2008, 15:40
I think part of it is the ability to hold it up while playing like that. Maybe his playing just impressses newbies, but hey, I am entertained. And that is what matters.

edit: You know... with the other two guitars he has now, is he going to play with his toes? That would be impressive.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 13 Jan 2008, 20:07
Don Cab is terrific. Is there something wrong with me liking the new album (with the only original member being Che) almost more than the others?

Yes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Jan 2008, 20:28
Seven string guitars are just as easy to play as 6-strings. For me, anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Jan 2008, 20:31
Or Michael Angelo Batio, who plays two guitars at once, and has a quad-guitar.

I think the Viper neck-heaviness also applies to SGs, I wonder what causes that? Too small a body? Too dense a neck?

It's a combination of the strap button placement and the heavy headstock. You can alleviate it somewhat by moving the top strap button onto the upper horn of the guitar, but it'll always still balance horizontally most comfortably.

Also why anybody would go drilling holes in a perfectly good SG is utterly beyond me. I cry when people mod Gibsons.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 13 Jan 2008, 20:33
Ya i sorta wish i had waited on the xiphos, word is now theres gonna be a 7 string available and i sorta would have liked a 7 string, but o well, ill just get that 8 string eventually to go with my xiphos,
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Jan 2008, 22:18
Or Michael Angelo Batio, who plays two guitars at once, and has a quad-guitar.

I think the Viper neck-heaviness also applies to SGs, I wonder what causes that? Too small a body? Too dense a neck?

It's a combination of the strap button placement and the heavy headstock. You can alleviate it somewhat by moving the top strap button onto the upper horn of the guitar, but it'll always still balance horizontally most comfortably.

Also why anybody would go drilling holes in a perfectly good SG is utterly beyond me. I cry when people mod Gibsons.

Part of me wants to dredge up pictures of modded gibsons, part of me doesn't want to be that much of an asshole, and the last part of me just doesn't want to piss off the admin.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Johnny C on 13 Jan 2008, 22:25
I plan to Sonic Youth a seven-string guitar my friends own.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Jan 2008, 02:40
I am going to side with the "I hate seeing modded Gibsons" crowd. I can't justify voiding the warranty on something that expensive just so it looks pretty.

EDIT: Speaking of Gibsons, I got my empty case back from Gibson, right? I decided to wait before whining at them, I was expecting them to send my guitar in a separate box for safety's sake and all that (they don't like replacing my shit as much as I don't like having broken shit), but nothing is at my dad's house still.

So I sent them an email pretty much asking them "lol wher's my gitar?? did u guys even get it or did u just get a empty case??"

tl;dr FUCK this is annoying
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Jan 2008, 10:32
I plan to Sonic Youth a seven-string guitar my friends own.

Dig out the frets, put four bass strings on it and stick drumsticks under the strings?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: cmalberg on 14 Jan 2008, 12:19
Soooo....I play uke. Haha...have my moms old (probably about 1960) cheapo Yamaha when I want to play guitar, although I about cried when my girlfriends father threw away an old acoustic/electric guitar that was her great uncles. Got wet and had some serious body damage, but I would have payed an arm to get it fixed. And the rumor was that it was haunted. Can you imagine owning a haunted guitar? Awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Jan 2008, 16:21
http://www.virb.com/djmacintyre/videos/35666

Guys, check out this video. I'm drooling uncontrollably!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Jan 2008, 16:24
Saw that show on Saturday, actually.

I had no idea so much of Gibson's construction was still done by hand, like fitting the neck joint. No wonder they're so friggin' expensive.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Jan 2008, 16:54
I really fucking love my Les Paul. It just feels so solid and..... right!!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Jan 2008, 18:23
I had one for a while but traded it in for a bunch of cash and a Firebird Studio. I just like the old 490/498 pickups better than the newfangled BurstBuckers. Also it was a little too fancy looking for me. My Fancy Guitar slot is and always will be held by my McCarty.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 14 Jan 2008, 18:43
So, I just changed string gauges from .10's to .13's.  Is there anything I need to do other than adjusting truss tension to compensate for the increased string tension?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Jan 2008, 18:45
You'll need to get the bridge reintonated, which you can also do yourself if you have a good tuner and the right tools.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 15 Jan 2008, 00:49
You might have to change the action at the bridge too. Setups are quite holistic, adjusting the truss rod and intonation will probably result in you having to tweak the action. Also, if the strings don't fit in the nut it's recommended you should file the string slots so they do.

Fender Japan is a bitch and a half to import though, I don't think they're actually allowed to send stuff to the States.

They're not, but it's not enforced. It's very easy to import guitars from Japan, I don't know how it is with US customs and taxes and stuff, but to Australia I have no problems. Ordering from Ishibashi is a breeze.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Jan 2008, 04:23
For a bridge that is called the 'tune-o-matic', it is certainly a pain in the ass to intonate as compared to a Fender bridge. The winding on the heavier-gauge strings tends to get caught on those mighty pointy saddles, so you have to detune and lift the strings and retune and arrrrrgh.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: negative creep on 15 Jan 2008, 07:42
You'll need to get the bridge reintonated, which you can also do yourself if you have a good tuner and the right tools.



Really? I changed from a regular set (.010 - .046 or something) to a set with a .070 as the lowest string (highest is still a .010, though) and I didn't do anything. Sounds just fine, to my ear.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Jan 2008, 08:15
I cry when people mod Gibsons.

You have no clue how much I wanted to rush the stage and punch the vocalist from American Steel when I saw them last year.. He had this great wine red LP Custom that was completely GUTTED. Just the bridge humbucker and volume pot were left on it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 15 Jan 2008, 14:01
For a bridge that is called the 'tune-o-matic', it is certainly a pain in the ass to intonate as compared to a Fender bridge. The winding on the heavier-gauge strings tends to get caught on those mighty pointy saddles, so you have to detune and lift the strings and retune and arrrrrgh.
I can't tell if you're kidding or not.  Every Gibson I've set up/played I've always used nut files to slot each saddle.
Also, who cares if someone takes the pickups out of an old Gibson?  Let's hope none of you crybabies every saw the Who!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bbqrocks on 15 Jan 2008, 14:03
My friend is about to get a BC Rich Beast. Any hints/tips/recommendations/bursts of outrage, apart from the fact he is probably going to disembowl himself with it one day?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bbqrocks on 15 Jan 2008, 14:10
Yeah, I know I am posting fast. If its annoying people, I will slow down- Its just sometimes when you make a couple of posts on a forum, people just ignore you. So yeah, I'll slow down now- Seems like I have made a slight impact. Any thoughts on the guitar?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 15 Jan 2008, 16:56
Pete Townshend is a douchebag.

Fun fact: He is essentially responsible for the invention of the 4x12 speaker cabinet, but he originally intended it to be an 8x12. When Jim Marshall remarked that an 8x12 cab would be really heavy and difficult for his roadies to move, Townshend replied "fuck 'em, they get paid."

Two weeks later the cabs were back in Jim's shop, being sawn in half. And that is why we use 4x12s to this day.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Jan 2008, 17:08
Every Gibson I've set up/played I've always used nut files to slot each saddle.
Also, who cares if someone takes the pickups out of an old Gibson?  Let's hope none of you crybabies every saw the Who!

I have been lurking /b/ for the last year and a half and I have never seen something that chilled me to the bone as much as this single post. Taking a file to anything on a Gibson? I damn near murdered my dad when he took 200-grit sandpaper to the cutaways of my SG to smooth them out.

Also Jeph I am pretty sure that the dude who invented the wheel would be rolling in his grave if he knew people weren't using it to it's full potential. And come on, it only takes two roadies to lift the bloody thing into a van anyway. 150lbs carried by two people? Hell, even my waifish skinny ass can deal with that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 16 Jan 2008, 06:25
Since we're on the subject of Gibsons, I just got a very nice custom doublecut LP Jr. It plays pretty damn well... the single P-90 is really hot. Pics later (maybe.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 16 Jan 2008, 09:27
That is -awesome-. Also, I hate to post for the 384965976th time in the last page alone, and especially with caps, but OH FUCK YEAH GIBSON ACTUALLY RECEIVED MY SG AND THEY ARE REPLACING IT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 11:46
I can't figure out what kind of guitar John K. Samson plays.  He switches between this one that looks like an SG, but not, and a modified Telecaster of sorts.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 16 Jan 2008, 12:09
Every Gibson I've set up/played I've always used nut files to slot each saddle.
Also, who cares if someone takes the pickups out of an old Gibson?  Let's hope none of you crybabies every saw the Who!

I have been lurking /b/ for the last year and a half and I have never seen something that chilled me to the bone as much as this single post. Taking a file to anything on a Gibson? I damn near murdered my dad when he took 200-grit sandpaper to the cutaways of my SG to smooth them out.

Also Jeph I am pretty sure that the dude who invented the wheel would be rolling in his grave if he knew people weren't using it to it's full potential. And come on, it only takes two roadies to lift the bloody thing into a van anyway. 150lbs carried by two people? Hell, even my waifish skinny ass can deal with that.
Are you just that clueless about setting up a guitar?  Do you know what nut files are?  They're tools constructed specifically for shaping nut and saddle slots on a guitar.  Saddles are not meant to be permanent; the strings running over them will wear them out given enough time. 
While I would probably not bother trying to smooth out the cutaways on an SG, I use superfine grit sanding cloths on the neck of every guitar I work on.  Going from 800 up to 6000 makes the neck feel like silk and play much better. 

Also, it might not just be people carrying them that was the problem on the 8x12s.  Just think of how damn big those things were, it'd just be a PITA in general.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2008, 12:30
I can't figure out what kind of guitar John K. Samson plays.  He switches between this one that looks like an SG, but not, and a modified Telecaster of sorts.

A few minutes spent searching for photos of him on Google reveal that his main guitar is a Gibson Les Paul Jr.

He also has some weird thing that looks like a cross between a Strat and a Mustang.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 12:50
That's what it is?  I guess I don't know my guitars very well.  :|
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2008, 13:01
(http://dawn.cbcr3.com/concerts/0/486/Images/Jk%20and%20christine%201.jpg)

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/2/0/1/343201.jpg)

There are slight variations so it might be modded (volume/tone knons on top of pickguard, front input jack)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 13:04
Yeah, I'm looking on musiciansfriend.com right now, and it could be something like this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Faded-Double-Cutaway-Electric-Guitar?sku=517512).

I'm still torn between saving up for a $1500 Jazzmaster, or just getting one of these.  I see nothing wrong with it, and it's three times cheaper.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2008, 13:23
Oh shit, that is a double cutaway. Good spot.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 13:28
Thanks.  So, do you think it's a good idea to go with one of these instead of selling my soul for a Jazzmaster?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2008, 13:38
Dude, they are two completely different guitars. Jazzmaster soapbar pick-ups sound much more like single coils than Gibson P-90s. Also the floating bridge is a giant pain in the ass- warning you in advance.

Neither is better or worse (though quality control on an American Jazz might be higher). You just have to decide which tone you like more.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 13:42
Yeah.  I wish the stores around here carried those guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 16 Jan 2008, 15:29
(http://dawn.cbcr3.com/concerts/0/486/Images/Jk%20and%20christine%201.jpg)

There are slight variations so it might be modded (volume/tone knons on top of pickguard, front input jack)

It's some form of Double Cutaway Melody Maker. The single pickup version, because it has two knobs.

(http://www.beaverband.co.uk/mediac/400_0/media/2~melody~makers.JPG)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 16:15
Yeah.  I think you're right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 16 Jan 2008, 18:37
Melody Makers are nice.  I think I have a preference for simpler guitars.

Although there is some kind of Teisco-like monstrosity at my local music store for $269 and I am EYEING it.

EDIT:  Anyone have any idea what kind of guitar/bass beast this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mXr1nTsWKYk) is?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 16 Jan 2008, 19:12
EDIT:  Anyone have any idea what kind of guitar/bass beast this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mXr1nTsWKYk) is?

Headless, so I'd guess a Steinberger or some Japanese copy thereof.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 16 Jan 2008, 20:16
Can't find any info on it anywhere.  He (guitarist/bassist/vocalist from Boris) also has an amazing Ibanez bass/guitar double-neck.

Has anyone here played the Fender Jaguar Baritone?  It looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 17 Jan 2008, 07:44
EDIT:  Anyone have any idea what kind of guitar/bass beast this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mXr1nTsWKYk) is?

Headless, so I'd guess a Steinberger or some Japanese copy thereof.

Kramer did headless stuff for a while too. Could be one of theirs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 17 Jan 2008, 09:46
I've played one. It was a mindfuck and I couldn't get used to it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 17 Jan 2008, 14:09
I've got a few basses and some guitars.

Bass: Fender Aerodyne, Ibanez Soungear six-string, Ibanez EX Series
Guitar: Schecter Ultra-III, Takamine acoustic

I've also got a Microkorg, banjo and an old plastic melodica, but those aren't exactly guitars.

I've taken to playing more blues-driven prog rock lately, so I've gotten the chance to really be surprised at how many different tones I can get out of my Schecter.
(http://www.instrumentpro.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Ultra%20III.jpg)
Unfortunately, changing pickups quickly is next to impossible on it since it has the three three-position switches.
Oh well. That's why I mostly just record all my ideas.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 17 Jan 2008, 17:13
He (guitarist/bassist/vocalist from Boris) also has an amazing Ibanez bass/guitar double-neck.

I just saw a video on YouTube where he was playing a Gibson EDS-1275-style bass/guitar. INTENSE.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 17 Jan 2008, 21:32
*mentions Geordie Walker from Killing Joke for no apparent reason*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Jan 2008, 04:07
WHAT?! There's an actual person on earth named Geordi? That's not fair. I wanted to change my last name to LaForge just so I can name my kid that.

LaForge is a way radder last name than boring old James anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 18 Jan 2008, 07:25
Hell, the Times Union Center in Albany has a banner for a hockey played called "Geordie Kinnear".

They also have one for Billy Joel, though...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Jan 2008, 07:06
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Tom-Delonge-Signature-ES333-SemiHollow-Electric-Guitar?sku=515625

Part of me (in fact, most) is just screaming "WHYYYYYY?!"

The other 15% is going "you know, that would probably feed back epically. I could totally use that to do another noise album."
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Jan 2008, 07:15
WHAT?! There's an actual person on earth named Geordi? That's not fair. I wanted to change my last name to LaForge just so I can name my kid that.

LaForge is a way radder last name than boring old James anyway.

Har, your last name is a first name.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Jan 2008, 08:14
New from Danelectro: ANOTHER BITCHIN' REISSUE

http://www.danelectro.com/guitars_main.html

*drool*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 19 Jan 2008, 15:36
It looks sweet, but the tail end is funky.  It looks like an ass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 19 Jan 2008, 18:39
I actually thought the bottom was bent at first. But that's a sexy guitar, nonetheless. Wonder how it'd sit in a stand though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 19 Jan 2008, 19:39
Ugh. You know, I really, really love my current 6 string Ibanez, but between all the Kyuss love in a few other threads and Jeph's "My 7 string Prestige is so sexy, but man, these pickups are so hot and bassy it's actually bordering on overkill..." comments I've been spending the last few nights trying to figure out if I can sell a kidney or something to get one, tune it down to C, steal my brother's bass amp and unleash some godzilla riffs.  :evil:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 19 Jan 2008, 21:20
Dude, I'm just lusting over the Jaguar Baritone HH. Humbuckers and B tuning.  Also, my friend is getting his Fender cab back from getting the speakers replaced, and will be running his Bassman through it.  Jaguar Bari HH + Bassman = ZOMGSPLOOGE.

...But the Jag bari is about $700 too expensive...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 20 Jan 2008, 04:27
Ugh. You know, I really, really love my current 6 string Ibanez, but between all the Kyuss love in a few other threads and Jeph's "My 7 string Prestige is so sexy, but man, these pickups are so hot and bassy it's actually bordering on overkill..." comments I've been spending the last few nights trying to figure out if I can sell a kidney or something to get one, tune it down to C, steal my brother's bass amp and unleash some godzilla riffs.  :evil:

By all means go ahead. I've tried the same model as Jeph owns, and it is one smexy guitar. Shouldn't be a problem tuning it up to C either, if you know how to setup a Floyd Rose.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 20 Jan 2008, 06:52
Ugh. You know, I really, really love my current 6 string Ibanez, but between all the Kyuss love in a few other threads and Jeph's "My 7 string Prestige is so sexy, but man, these pickups are so hot and bassy it's actually bordering on overkill..." comments I've been spending the last few nights trying to figure out if I can sell a kidney or something to get one, tune it down to C, steal my brother's bass amp and unleash some godzilla riffs.  :evil:

You do realise to tune DOWN to C on a 7 string, you'd be tuning down by something like five tones (can't be arsed to think about it). A 7 string's lowest string is a B in standard tuning.

I want to get a 7 string to try some Drop A.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Jan 2008, 08:03
Drop C on a 7 string would be pretty close to an octave for the lowest string, or something like that, right?

EDIT - Hah. 1111th post.  It's kind of like 11:11.  Which is my favorite time.  I don't know why.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 20 Jan 2008, 08:47
Drop C on a 7 string would be pretty close to an octave for the lowest string, or something like that, right?

Yes, a major 7th, actually.

However, that would be short of impossible to do, since a guitar is not a bass.

Just tune it up, that's heavy enough, still.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 20 Jan 2008, 09:35
It's all academic anyway. Even when my student loans and tax return comes in, I really need to spend the cash on a new car more than anything. I'm fairly sure the dealership I got my last car from was secretly Crazy Akbar's Not-A-Deathtrap Autos.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 20 Jan 2008, 13:38
I want to get a 7 string to try some Drop A.

Yeah, drop A seems to be about as low as you can reasonably go and still get any definition out of the thing. Of course, it could be the pickups. As soon as I find a decent guitar tech in my area I'm swapping in some Duncans.

(I would wire it myself but Ibanez does those wacky split/series/parallel pickup selections that make things very confusing in the control cavity)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Jan 2008, 14:42
I really need to spend the cash on a new car more than anything.

Get your priorities in shape, nothing is more important than buying a ridiculously expensive car.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Jan 2008, 16:47
Besides buying a ridiculously expensive guitar, right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 20 Jan 2008, 21:24
Guys, I think we can all agree that this is coolest thing ever:

(http://www.microphoneheaven.com/guitarbass4.jpg)
http://www.microphoneheaven.com/guitarbass/ (http://www.microphoneheaven.com/guitarbass/)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 20 Jan 2008, 21:30
Just give me that instrument, 2 good loop pedals, and a bunch of effects, and I will never ever ever ever be bored.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Jan 2008, 21:31
That would confuse the hell out of me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 21 Jan 2008, 00:43
That has got to be the worst design I've ever seen - I want it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Jan 2008, 02:43
Besides buying a ridiculously expensive guitar, right?

I am an idiot and need to proofread more often, because that is totally what I meant to say.

That guitar/bass thing is *fabulous*. I would go the same route as onewheelwizzard and just loop the hell out of it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 21 Jan 2008, 03:27
I'm thinking it's time I picked up a new bass this year. Current candidates are:

http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0194060720

http://espguitars.com/images/basses/vintage-4_3TB.jpg

http://www.glguitars.com/instruments/bigpic.asp?pic=34

I like P-basses but I need a bridge position humbucker for the kind of stuff I do.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Jan 2008, 10:36
Speaking of basses, look what I got recently!!

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/Foto138.jpg)

Oh yes people, back to the 80s...

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/Foto136.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/Foto139.jpg)


This is not a steinberger, however. It is a Status.

A British-produced, carbon-fibre neck monstrosity from 84. It rocks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 21 Jan 2008, 11:47
That must've been a nice bass before you slit its throat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 21 Jan 2008, 13:53
Headless basses are The Ugliest Thing
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Jan 2008, 14:02
You, sir, have never seen Lyle Lovett
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 21 Jan 2008, 14:36
Headless basses make me sad! Why would anyone decapitate a perfectly good bass? The humanity... instrumentanity?

Anyway, on the subject of basses, I got one of these fancy things back in December.

(http://www.warwickbass.com/images/corvstd4.jpg)
(please excuse the stock photograph, my only camera is my silly old phone camera.)

It sounds so delicous. I love this thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 21 Jan 2008, 17:43
I bought a POD X3 today!

I like it a LOT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 21 Jan 2008, 18:33
Jesus fucking christ you guys

the "Treadplate" model on my POD

it's so good

so good

They even got the midrange to sound EXACTLY like a Mesa/Boogie. I own a (currently broken) Dual Rectifier and I'm not sure I could tell the difference.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 21 Jan 2008, 19:08
POD X3's are glorious, Can't wait to hear that shit on any new recordings you do.

As far as basses go, that first one you posted, the American Deluxe P-Bass is an absolute killer, and I covet one for myself mightily.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 21 Jan 2008, 19:53
The ASAT basses look really cool, but I don't think they'd balance very well on a strap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 21 Jan 2008, 20:20
I personally think the ASAT hollow-body bass looks gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 22 Jan 2008, 02:59
i continue to be unable to sleep, and have consequently tuned all the strings on my guitar to D# and started hitting them with a can of coke. It sounds real awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Jan 2008, 04:18
I've done similar things. 'Cept I left it in drop D and hit it with one of those thick-ass chisel-tip Sharpies. With the cap on, of course. It definitely gives it an interesting sound.
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Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jan 2008, 06:36
I've done similar things. 'Cept I left it in drop D and hit it with one of those thick-ass chisel-tip Sharpies. With the cap on, of course. It definitely gives it an interesting sound.

Guitar in D standard, whack at it with a ball-point pen. That's some good tone.
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Post by: Patrick on 22 Jan 2008, 08:58
Use a fountain pen or you're a vagina
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Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jan 2008, 09:02
I don't want ink splashed all over my Firebird!
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Post by: Patrick on 22 Jan 2008, 09:09
Get a really shitty guitar (like a student-model Ibanez or something) and do it.
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Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jan 2008, 09:14
Can I borrow the bridge from your Squier so mine is playable?
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Post by: Ballard on 22 Jan 2008, 09:39
If you guys don't quit one-upping each other's failure I'll stab you both with the jagged edges of a shattered Merzbow vinyl.

Why did I break it? Because it sucks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jan 2008, 09:54
Maybe if you play the broken record, it'll sound somewhat normal.
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Post by: Patrick on 22 Jan 2008, 10:12
I wonder what Sigur Rós would sound like played backwards. I bet that's not even Icelandic they're singing, it's probably all backmasked from English.
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Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jan 2008, 10:17
There was a track on Von and another on Agaetis Byrjun that were clips of another song on the album spun backwards.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 22 Jan 2008, 19:09
If you guys don't quit one-upping each other's failure I'll stab you both with the jagged edges of a shattered Merzbow vinyl.

Why did I break it? Because it sucks.

Epic sig'd
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 23 Jan 2008, 06:06
Dude -nobody- has enough money for a Rickenbacker.

My friend's dad has a vintage (liiike, '65 I think?) Rickenbacker 330 that he bought new, and it would probably sell for ricockulous amounts of money today. If he would lower the bridge and intonate the damn thing it would be an -amazing- little piece. It jangles so much that the Byrds would probably never stop masturbating.
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Post by: valley_parade on 23 Jan 2008, 06:36
They have solid body electrics that are in like..the $750-1000 range.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Rickenbacker-650D-Dakota-Electric-Guitar?sku=513610
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Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Jan 2008, 08:29
That is a beautiful guitar.
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Post by: Ballard on 23 Jan 2008, 13:23
There is a very small amount of natural finish guitars that can give me a boner.

That is not one of them. It's so.. eh.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 23 Jan 2008, 14:42
Oh, god, Rickenbackers have the worst heel ever.  They make Paul Reed Smiths look good, which is impossible.
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Post by: FireAarro on 23 Jan 2008, 15:11
Dude -nobody- has enough money for a Rickenbacker.

My friend's dad has a vintage (liiike, '65 I think?) Rickenbacker 330 that he bought new, and it would probably sell for ricockulous amounts of money today. If he would lower the bridge and intonate the damn thing it would be an -amazing- little piece. It jangles so much that the Byrds would probably never stop masturbating.

New Rickenbackers really aren't all that expensive. They're about as expensive as the Fender AVRI and Deluxe series guitars, which is still affordable. Used stuff from the late 70s-now hasn't inflated too much either (but they don't lose value either. Recent used Ricks can sell for more on eBay than brand new ones... :S).

I like the look of the cheaper Ricks, but I don't expect you'd be able to get "Teh Jangle" outta them. Very cool/modern style though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 23 Jan 2008, 15:20
Dude I'm pretty sure the 4003 rick is about 2000 dollars.

That is not inexpensive. That is actually worth more than most people's existence.
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Post by: FireAarro on 23 Jan 2008, 15:49
Dude I'm pretty sure the 4003 rick is about 2000 dollars.

That is not inexpensive. That is actually worth more than most people's existence.

I just checked on Musiciansfriend and confirmed this is true. Wow, they've bumped the price a lot. Two or three years ago I know it was something like $999-$1099 from Musiciansfriend. Last year it was about $1399, now it's $1949... The 360 was literally "$1,399.99 from a manufacturer's list price of $1,819.00" just in September last year, and has risen to "$2,249.00 from a manufacturer's list price of $2,499.00". That's pretty fucking insane. You're right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 23 Jan 2008, 16:26
Okay guys here is My First Electric Guitar. I just got it yesterday!

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n217/rageaholicdove/dano/dano016.jpg)

I haven't had a chance to plug it in since I don't have an amp yet but I like it a whole bunch.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 23 Jan 2008, 16:53
That looks fantastic. Surf Green Burst!  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Nodaisho on 23 Jan 2008, 17:40
I am wondering if anyone has any personal experience with PRS SEs. The store that I go to has them on sale for less than $400 before tax, and I know that PRSs have a reputation for awesomeness (though whether some of that comes from the price, I don't know), but are the asian budget copies worth it?
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Post by: greenMonkey on 23 Jan 2008, 19:12
Okay guys here is My First Electric Guitar. I just got it yesterday!

DANO MADNESS

I haven't had a chance to plug it in since I don't have an amp yet but I like it a whole bunch.

I feel like I have found a kindred spirit.

My Dano is now in D standard and I play silly metal on it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 23 Jan 2008, 19:20
Danelectros are so freakin ugly.
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Post by: sean on 23 Jan 2008, 19:37
No way! Dano's are smexy guitars.

Now Musicmans, those are ugly instruments.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Jan 2008, 20:11
*Cough!  BC Rich guitars!  Cough!*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 23 Jan 2008, 21:11
No way! Dano's are smexy guitars.

Now Musicmans, those are ugly instruments.

What are you trying to

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/7/5/3/374753.jpg)

say here?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 23 Jan 2008, 21:54

Now Musicmans, those are ugly instruments.
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Post by: Patrick on 24 Jan 2008, 04:23
Danelectros are so freakin ugly.

1/10 obvious troll
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Post by: valley_parade on 24 Jan 2008, 06:25
Okay guys here is My First Electric Guitar. I just got it yesterday!

I haven't had a chance to plug it in since I don't have an amp yet but I like it a whole bunch.


You really know how to first it up. Gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 24 Jan 2008, 16:04
No way! Dano's are smexy guitars.

Now Musicmans, those are ugly instruments.

What are you trying to

*ew*

say here?
I'm sorry Mr. David but those simply are not attractive instruments.

They're just like that girl with a great personality. They sound great but god forbid if I have to look at her.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 24 Jan 2008, 21:21
That's why my post was sarcastic! (I'm sorry for trying to convey sarcasm on the Internet, that was a bad idea)

Danelectros are seriously uggo though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Johnny C on 24 Jan 2008, 23:25
Okay guys here is My First Electric Guitar. I just got it yesterday!

Holy shit!

My band uses a guitar identical to that on occasion, except it's a solid seafoam colour. Great thick sound out of it. Use care picking an amp and make sure you get something that compliments the tone nicely.

Good pick!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 24 Jan 2008, 23:34
So... what would be done to me if I said I didn't like the color on that danelectro?

Just hypothetically, of course.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 25 Jan 2008, 00:17
Guys, if you bounce a pair of metal tweezers off your strings it sounds really neat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 25 Jan 2008, 02:12
GUYS GUYS GUYS I AM A FUCKING HERO ALRIGHT DIG THIS

SO. I was trying to make an adjustment to the middle pickup of my Squier Bullet so that the volume of each pickup would match up, right? Well, the screw hole on the plastic pickup mount (oh, Squier!) that's built into the motherfucker? Yeah, it stripped. Both holes.

So I cut off my strings, lifted the pickguard, cut off the pickup and all the wires for it, rewired the thing, and BAM, I have a Strat-shaped Telecaster with one volume/no tone.

Oh and there's a nice little Van Halen-esque void where the middle pickup used to be :B
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 25 Jan 2008, 02:31
You know... I am sure there would be a way to have gotten it to mount even once it stripped.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 25 Jan 2008, 05:15
So... what would be done to me if I said I didn't like the color on that danelectro?

Just hypothetically, of course.

Hit you in the face with an Epiphone EM-1.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 25 Jan 2008, 10:09
You know... I am sure there would be a way to have gotten it to mount even once it stripped.

I think sticking a matchstick in works usually.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 25 Jan 2008, 10:15
So I cut off my strings, lifted the pickguard, cut off the pickup and all the wires for it, rewired the thing, and BAM, I have a Strat-shaped Telecaster with one volume/no tone.

Put it in an open tuning, whack on the distortion pick up a slide and go nuts.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 25 Jan 2008, 11:27
Dude -nobody- has enough money for a Rickenbacker.

My friend's dad has a vintage (liiike, '65 I think?) Rickenbacker 330 that he bought new, and it would probably sell for ricockulous amounts of money today. If he would lower the bridge and intonate the damn thing it would be an -amazing- little piece. It jangles so much that the Byrds would probably never stop masturbating.

I got my ric bass for $2000.
I've seen American Fenders at $2500, and Musicman's are around $3000. Warwicks are also in the "more expensive than a ric" category.



If you EVER pay $2500 for a Fender bass you are DOING IT WRONG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 25 Jan 2008, 13:21

If you EVER pay $2500 for a Fender bass you are DOING IT WRONG.

Agreed.  You can get artist signature Fenders for that much, but why an extra $1k+ for a painted on signature? 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 25 Jan 2008, 13:42
You can get CUSTOM SHOP Fenders for that much!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 25 Jan 2008, 14:36
I think sticking a matchstick in works usually.

Matchstick for small screw holes, dowel or chopstick for strap button screw holes plus wood glue. Works like a charm.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 25 Jan 2008, 15:50
So... what would be done to me if I said I didn't like the color on that danelectro?

Just hypothetically, of course.

Hit you in the face with an Epiphone EM-1.
En Garde! I have the advantage in that I have less to lose, the clean tone on my Behringer Vintager is crap, and the distorted tone isn't much better.

Maybe I just haven't found the right set-up to make it sound decent, but it sounds like the equivalent of inhaling helium before singing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 25 Jan 2008, 16:17
Quote from: tommy
Anna's new Dan is so fucking hot.

All of you naysayers are smoking rock.

seriously

I have absolutely no knowledge of electrical guitaring. Does anyone have suggestions for beginner amps that will make my guitar sound awesome?
It's more likely that my brother will buy himself a nice amp upgrade and just give me his 15 amp Frontman since that makes more sense, but it will be good knowledge for later.
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Post by: FireAarro on 25 Jan 2008, 23:06
You can get CUSTOM SHOP Fenders for that much!

My numbers were Australian numbers.
So theres the exchange rate, and the fact that guitars tend to get way more expensive when they come over here.

I also can't stand jazz bass necks for some reason.

Yeah, prices here in Australian dollars = 2x the number of dollars in US pretty much.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Jan 2008, 05:45
I think sticking a matchstick in works usually.

That is nancy-boy shit, I did pretty interesting electronics wiring -by myself- without ever consulting a manual, because I am one pimp-ass mother fucker.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Jan 2008, 06:54
Quote from: tommy
Anna's new Dan is so fucking hot.

All of you naysayers are smoking rock.

seriously

I have absolutely no knowledge of electrical guitaring. Does anyone have suggestions for beginner amps that will make my guitar sound awesome?
It's more likely that my brother will buy himself a nice amp upgrade and just give me his 15 amp Frontman since that makes more sense, but it will be good knowledge for later.

There's a few low-wattage tube amps floating around right now for under $150-250. Gretsch Electromatic, Fender Champion 600, Blackheart Little Giant, Epiphone Valve Junior..try some of them out. You'll get a lot better tone than you would from a solid-state amp.

That said, I'll push the Marshall MG series on you cos I really like mine.
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Post by: Patrick on 26 Jan 2008, 07:07
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2614.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2613.jpg)

lol nobody's going to pay attention to Shane's post now
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Jan 2008, 07:13
It was only directed at Anna, anyway.

I really need to buy a new Bullet and just hit it with cans of spray paint.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 26 Jan 2008, 15:28
So I cut off my strings, lifted the pickguard, cut off the pickup and all the wires for it, rewired the thing, and BAM, I have a Strat-shaped Telecaster with one volume/no tone.

No middle pickup on a hardtail Stratocaster shaped guitar does not a Telecaster make.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Jan 2008, 16:00
Oh yeah you're right. It just makes a Strat-shaped hardtail MIJ Jaguar with a 25.5" scale. MY BAD.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Jan 2008, 21:56
I don't know, I'd say it'd make it something akin to a Fender Lead.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 27 Jan 2008, 00:57
I was thinking more along the lines of Stratocaster-shaped Les Paul with a bent steel bridge, large pickguard, Fender styled single coils, a master volume knob instead of a 2vol2tone configuration, a five-way blade pickup switch, a 25.5" scale 21 fret maple neck and 6-on-a-side tuner alignment. Also a Strat jack.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Jan 2008, 06:51
Oh yeah you're right. It just makes a Strat-shaped hardtail MIJ Jaguar with a 25.5" scale. MY BAD.

Without all the weirdass switching.

Dude, you've got nothing more than a Tom Delonge strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Jan 2008, 12:07
Wait, I got one, I got one.

What you have... is a strat with one of the pickups cut out for no apparent reason.

Crazy, huh?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Jan 2008, 14:10
I will have you know, the two pickup configuration with the original bridge and neck pickups is a hell of a lot more versatile than the stock setup. Srsly, using the middle pickup with either of the other two is cool and all if you're SRV or Mark Knopfler, but if you're anybody else it really doesn't work, sry2say.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 27 Jan 2008, 14:11
The middle pickup by itself is my favorite sound to ever come out of a Strat.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Jan 2008, 14:36
I actually usually have mine to bridge/mid, though that is partially because with the amp I usually play on, that has the least amount of buzz. Interestingly my little tube amp doesn't buzz in the least, but the Fender G-dec that I use while taking lessons buzzes pretty obnoxiously.

And I found how to get a decent tone out of my pseudo-strat. I just have to turn the bass most of the way up, and the treble almost all the way down. Now I just need to find how to get it sounding like one of the strats used by any of the Iron Maiden guitarists, or at least as close as I could get without paying out the nose for a bridge humbucker that ends up costing more than my guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Jan 2008, 14:48
@Jeph: It used to be mine, too. Everything on my myspace so far was recorded entirely with the middle pickup, with very few exceptions. I loved that thing so much but I am amazed at how much brightness that guitar is holding back with that pickup there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Jan 2008, 20:22
I don't think I've ever used a middle pickup since I forgot how to play 'The Kids Aren't Alright.'
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Jan 2008, 20:28
I use the bridge pickup on my Strat almost exclusively.  I hate the buzz, though.  In which case, I switch it to to bridge/middle.  The neck pickup has a really warm clean tone, I think.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 27 Jan 2008, 20:44
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 28 Jan 2008, 06:42
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!

On a 24-fret guitar, I agree with you. The middle pickup is too close to the other two and just sounds like a bad mix of both. But on 22-fret guitars, particularly long-scale ones like a Strat, that middle pickup can sound golden.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Jan 2008, 07:58
As promised (http://www.box.net/shared/atq6pk6os0).

It's just me covering some Jimmy Page, but whatever. It sounds better than the original Strat configuration, if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 08:06
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!

On a 24-fret guitar, I agree with you. The middle pickup is too close to the other two and just sounds like a bad mix of both. But on 22-fret guitars, particularly long-scale ones like a Strat, that middle pickup can sound golden.
Why on earth would anyone want a 24 fret guitar?  The 24th fret is the perfect spot for the back end of the neck pickup!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 28 Jan 2008, 10:20
I've got a couple. It tends to make the neck stick further out from the body, which can make doing high-fret things easier than, say, a Strat or Les Paul. Also there's those two extra frets!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 13:00
I know the technical reasons, it's just sacrificing what I consider to be the best sound of a guitar. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 28 Jan 2008, 13:28
Why on earth would anyone want a 24 fret guitar?  The 24th fret is the perfect spot for the back end of the neck pickup!

Because some people like to shred.
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Post by: Ballard on 28 Jan 2008, 13:35
(http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1133941.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F10653E92B247B839BF85A5397277B4DC33E)
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Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Jan 2008, 13:40
That's some intense shredding action, right there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Jan 2008, 15:35
IM IN UR THRED, PROVIN DAT MY 2-PICKUP BULLET IS BETTER THAN ANY SHITTY MIDDLE PICKUP ON ANY STRAT (http://www.box.net/shared/atq6pk6os0).

AHEM, MISTER JACQUES, THIS WAS FOR YOU
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 28 Jan 2008, 15:50
@Jeph: It used to be mine, too. Everything on my myspace so far was recorded entirely with the middle pickup, with very few exceptions. I loved that thing so much but I am amazed at how much brightness that guitar is holding back with that pickup there.

Maybe you had it too close to the strings? Maybe it's something to do with the tone knobs you had in?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 17:40
I thought that the 24-fret guitars were so that you had a greater range on the guitar, but of course, I also thought that they just made the neck longer. If they had the frets go further in, wouldn't that just make it more difficult to play the higher frets, rather than easier?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 28 Jan 2008, 18:14
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!

Pssh, who needs two pickups?  One pickup is sufficient.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Jan 2008, 18:58
I'd be tempted to engineer a way to mount a pickup on a slider and just -slide the pickup- to get a different sound.

It would look all kinds of retarded, but it'd be cool to see what it would do sonically.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 28 Jan 2008, 19:00
You could slide it around whilst holding a note, it'd probably sound like some kind of whacked out wah.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 19:05
You would have to make sure that it was wired so that it couldn't get tangled up by sliding it back and forth, that would probably be the difficult part.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 19:09
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!

Pssh, who needs two pickups?  One pickup is sufficient.
In nearly all situations, yes.  However, nearly all single pickup solidbodies only have bridge, which is some bad.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 19:11
You would have to make sure that it was wired so that it couldn't get tangled up by sliding it back and forth, that would probably be the difficult part.
Actually, the best thing to do would be just to make a small p/u mount wired to a small wireless plug and just run it full to the amp, using the amp's knobs for all tone/vol concerns.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 28 Jan 2008, 19:13
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!

Pssh, who needs two pickups?  One pickup is sufficient.
In nearly all situations, yes.  However, nearly all single pickup solidbodies only have bridge, which is some bad.

This is why it's brilliant that the Dano u-1 puts it in the middle on a slant: it gets a great tone.  With the tone turned up it's nice for clean and bright stuff, but turn the tone all the way down and run it through a good distortion pedal and it can roar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 19:15
Hmm... You do have a point there. I was thinking maybe have the wiring in the rails that it is mounted on, and a bit coming out of the pickup to touch the wiring in the rails.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 19:16
Under the 24th is, I'll repeat, the sweet spot for a pickup to my ears. 



@Nodashi: Are we talking light rail or bottleneck slide?  What do you mean by rails?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 19:19
I was referring to the idea of having one pickup and sliding it back and forth, I was thinking you would mount it on a couple of rails, for ease of sliding.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 19:27
I was referring to the idea of having one pickup and sliding it back and forth, I was thinking you would mount it on a couple of rails, for ease of sliding.
A slide guitar wouldn't really work like that.  Your best bet would be either going wireless or using a full 1/4" cable to wire the thing so it doesn't get tangled in the strings. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 19:35
You and I aren't talking about the same thing. You mount the pick-up on rails, and slide it to the position you want, then play normally, I am not talking about using a slide to play guitar. Only problem would be height of the pickup, but you could hollow out a bit, and use low rails.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 19:42
There are some jazz guitars built like that, using one of those tiny flat humbuckers.  There's usually only a single rail that's part of the pickguard.  Of course, that only gives the range from the fretboard to the bridge; however, given that these are fancy archtops, they're designed so that yr strings don't drop out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 20:08
That seems like it would work, I was thinking a rail on each side, but I suppose that given what I would expect the weight of a pickup to be, one rail would have no problem.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 20:12
That seems like it would work, I was thinking a rail on each side, but I suppose that given what I would expect the weight of a pickup to be, one rail would have no problem.
Well, the ones I remember do use really tiny Allen screws to hold it in, I think the best you can expect is to adjust it between numbers instead of during.  If you did route a solidbody and put guides in, you'd need some sort of powerful spring to hold it in place when it's not moving, assuming you want mid-song adjustability.  Not quite an amp capo, but a pickup capo I suppose.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 20:15
I think you could do it so that it stays as long as you aren't pushing on it, it wouldn't be easy though, you would have to set it up just right so that it won't slide around just from you moving your guitar, but also so you can move it one-handed.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 20:27
Probably put it in from the back side of the instrument, too
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Post by: Ballard on 28 Jan 2008, 21:12
Ripper's better.
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Post by: hellion on 28 Jan 2008, 21:47
Nice Vette.
I picked up a Fortress 5 last summer & it quickly became my favourite bass.
Warwick's kick ass.
(http://www.warwickrockbass.com/news/RockbassFortressBurgandy5frnt.jpg)
Stock photo for basically the same reason as you.

Headless basses make me sad! Why would anyone decapitate a perfectly good bass? The humanity... instrumentanity?

Anyway, on the subject of basses, I got one of these fancy things back in December.

(http://www.warwickbass.com/images/corvstd4.jpg)
(please excuse the stock photograph, my only camera is my silly old phone camera.)

It sounds so delicous. I love this thing.
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Post by: valley_parade on 29 Jan 2008, 06:05
Ripper's better.

EB-3L amirite
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 29 Jan 2008, 06:07
Guys, the Gibson RD (http://www.gibson.com/en%2Dus/Divisions/Gibson%20USA/Guitar%20of%20the%20Week/RDStandardReissue%2DWeek48/) is going to be one of those Gibson Guitars of the Week...

Such an ugly shape, I think I'm in love. I absolutely adore ugly guitars.

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Post by: valley_parade on 29 Jan 2008, 06:09
This is why I had my heart set on that '72 Mustang. It was hideous looking, but I loooooooved it.
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Post by: Xyloid on 29 Jan 2008, 06:18
Hey everyone, new guy here and I was just too excited to contain myself.

I just won this new shiny bass on ebay about a month ago!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/borntodie/grabber.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/borntodie/blah.jpg)

It's sparkly green!  A lot of you have really great taste in guitars, by the way.

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Post by: imapiratearg on 29 Jan 2008, 09:03
Guys, the Gibson RD (http://www.gibson.com/en%2Dus/Divisions/Gibson%20USA/Guitar%20of%20the%20Week/RDStandardReissue%2DWeek48/) is going to be one of those Gibson Guitars of the Week...

Such an ugly shape, I think I'm in love. I absolutely adore ugly guitars.



It looks like the bastard offspring of a Telecaster and and Explorer.
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Post by: Patrick on 29 Jan 2008, 09:55
Hey everyone, new guy here and I was just too excited to contain myself.

I just won this new shiny bass on ebay about a month ago!
(preeeeeeetty)
It's sparkly green!  A lot of you have really great taste in guitars, by the way.

I wants it.

That Gibson RD would be pretty badass if they flipped the body shape the other way around. It'd look like one of those goofy-ass Eastwoods, and as if it wasn't already well known by now, I pretty much masturbate furiously over Eastwoods.
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Post by: jeph on 29 Jan 2008, 11:25
Grabbers are great basses.

I too lust over the RD reissue.

And there's an ORIGINAL one languishing in a local music shop...
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Post by: bucky_2300 on 29 Jan 2008, 12:40
That whole sliding pickup thing has actually been done on a guitar. Actone guitars out of Britain make it. Here are a couple shots... small, but you can see it. (It's an ugly MF'er, imo.)

(http://www.matamp.co.uk/best_complete_pictures_010.jpg)

(http://www.matamp.co.uk/best_complete_pictures_024.jpg)

The gear shift moves the pickup.


Anyway, as for my gear, I play an Ibanez JEM7V into a Carvin Legacy 100w head. It's ironic because I'm not that huge a Vai fan, but really the JEM is just a fantastic guitar (and having the extra two frets doesn't harm any tonal characteristics, imo. Still a great tone on all pickups and huge sustain) and the Legacy is kind of like a souped-up JCM800 with a better clean channel. Might post pics later.
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Post by: Patrick on 29 Jan 2008, 13:36
(http://i25.tinypic.com/2dchbhe.jpg)
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Post by: ledhendrix on 29 Jan 2008, 14:23
That sliding pickup guitar is a pretty cool ideal. Wonder what is sounds like?


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Post by: bucky_2300 on 29 Jan 2008, 14:33
^ I can't imagine that it sounds too alive, given that there's almost no wood in the construction. It's neat for shock value though.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 29 Jan 2008, 14:41
Heres my guitars (not including my dads acoustics).

Electrics and kit.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2127/2229572858_8cbbbdec80.jpg?v=0)


Just guitars.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2319/2229574012_9c9ca4042d.jpg?v=0)


Acoustic

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2270/2228806683_8a035506b0.jpg?v=1201646211)


Jaguar and damage to jaguar.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2229576166_443425e053.jpg?v=1201645557) (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2299/2229596204_d2135263f0.jpg?v=0)



And I saved the best for last.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2397/2228805577_25a07f3871.jpg?v=1201646222)

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Post by: carrotosaurus on 29 Jan 2008, 14:43
Grabbers are great basses.

I too lust over the RD reissue.

And there's an ORIGINAL one languishing in a local music shop...

Jeph, is it the Standard, or one of the Customs/Artists with the active MOOG electronics?!!?
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Post by: Patrick on 29 Jan 2008, 14:58
(JAGUAR)

*FAPFAPFAPFAP*
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Post by: ledhendrix on 29 Jan 2008, 15:02
I was gonna post a picture of me thrusting wildly at it but it would have been far to awesome (and that picture doesn't exist....yet).
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Post by: Lummer on 29 Jan 2008, 15:22
I'm gonna have to take some pictures of my guitars tomorrow...
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Post by: FireAarro on 29 Jan 2008, 15:42
(JAGUAR)

*FAPFAPFAPFAP*

+1
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Post by: Xyloid on 29 Jan 2008, 16:36
(JAGUAR)

*FAPFAPFAPFAP*

Mmmm Jaguar... :-D
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Post by: greenMonkey on 29 Jan 2008, 17:22
Speaking of Jaguars...

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/6/9/4/305694.jpg)

I wish.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 29 Jan 2008, 17:26
One of the guys in my band got the jag HH and it's phenomenal.
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Post by: Lummer on 29 Jan 2008, 17:33
It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?
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Post by: Gemmwah on 29 Jan 2008, 17:39
I played an Epi Les Paul yesterday, it was beautiful and I'm totally saving up for it. It's going to be the best first electric guitar ever.

Seriously though, I was sitting on a stool with the guitar in my hands and it was just perfect in every way. I wanted to walk out of the store with it then and there, but that would be stealing.
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Post by: Lummer on 29 Jan 2008, 17:49
Good girl!

*pat on head*


Just be thankful you didn't try a Gibson, then you would charged out of the store and cut a bloody swathe through anyone standing in your way.
That said, sometimes Epiphone spits out a total gem. I have on some occasions heard of Epi's that measure up to "the real deal", so make sure that you buy THAT EXACT GUITAR!!
Epiphone, like any other "budget" manufacturer has wild fluctuation in quality.

Some Epis are unplayable pieces of junk, while some are total treasures. You seem to have come across a good one, now hold on to it.

PS: And don't buy a Jag, they're ghey.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 29 Jan 2008, 18:39
I have seen a few youtube videos of a kid playing Down songs, he plays an epiphone Les Paul Gothic most of the time, it sounds nice, guess he got one of those gems. Course, it could be uncomfortable to play, but sound good.

I am lusting over some PRS SEs in the local guitar shop, if nothing breaks on my computer, I might be able to afford one soon *knock on wood*. Thinking a Tremonti, the extra tone and volume knobs seem like they can't be a bad thing. But I don't like the looks as much, and I don't know if I will like the feel... I need to go in and play them when I actually have money.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 29 Jan 2008, 19:24
It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?
You're aware that the first two production years of Les Pauls simply did not work?
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Post by: Patrick on 29 Jan 2008, 21:33
It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?

I shouldn't have to remind you that the guitar Marten had to sell was a Fender Jazzmaster.

I can't wait to get my SG back, does that make you feel better?
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Post by: MadassAlex on 29 Jan 2008, 22:01
Les Pauls are basically the best non-active humbucking guitars ever. Yes, specifically Les Pauls, and SGs are close behind.
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Post by: Lummer on 30 Jan 2008, 03:52
It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?
You're aware that the first two production years of Les Pauls simply did not work?

That was over fifty years ago, so that doesn't bother me that much.

It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?

I shouldn't have to remind you that the guitar Marten had to sell was a Fender Jazzmaster.

I can't wait to get my SG back, does that make you feel better?

Yes, yes it does.
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Post by: valley_parade on 30 Jan 2008, 05:20
Electrics and kit.


Is that a Blues Junior?
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Post by: ledhendrix on 30 Jan 2008, 10:22
It sure is. It's got an excellent sound, perfect for the blues (as you would expect) but when i want to rock out it is sadly lacking in the distortion area, thats what the other amp and the distortion box are for.
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Post by: jeph on 30 Jan 2008, 10:39
I am lusting over some PRS SEs in the local guitar shop, if nothing breaks on my computer, I might be able to afford one soon *knock on wood*. Thinking a Tremonti, the extra tone and volume knobs seem like they can't be a bad thing. But I don't like the looks as much, and I don't know if I will like the feel... I need to go in and play them when I actually have money.

Noooooo not the Tremonti

Playing a guitar with the name of the fucking guy from CREED on it is basically like wearing a giant sign that says "I am a giant douchebag."
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Post by: dalconnsuch on 30 Jan 2008, 10:45
I am lusting over some PRS SEs in the local guitar shop, if nothing breaks on my computer, I might be able to afford one soon *knock on wood*. Thinking a Tremonti, the extra tone and volume knobs seem like they can't be a bad thing. But I don't like the looks as much, and I don't know if I will like the feel... I need to go in and play them when I actually have money.

Noooooo not the Tremonti

Playing a guitar with the name of the fucking guy from CREED on it is basically like wearing a giant sign that says "I am a giant douchebag."


i completely agree with this statement, but for a coorporate scam guitar it does have good tone

i recently got the geddy lee signature jazz precision bass, its excellent, nothin wrong with gettin a signature guitar if its go tthe tone your lookin for

of course then again, creed makes me puke blood
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Post by: valley_parade on 30 Jan 2008, 11:21
I am currently lusting over the Muddy Waters signature Tele.

Signature models: very yes when done right!


Gemm, this better be a hell of an Epi LP if you're going to top Anna's Danelectro.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 30 Jan 2008, 12:21
Signature models: very yes when done right!

The Albert Lee signature Music Man - yes please.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 30 Jan 2008, 12:46
J Mascis Signature Jazzmaster. It's purple and shiny!
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Post by: Patrick on 30 Jan 2008, 12:46
And only $800.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 30 Jan 2008, 13:00
And only $800.
And only righthanded.  ;_;
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Post by: imapiratearg on 30 Jan 2008, 13:11
And only $800.

That alway struck me as odd.
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Post by: Gemmwah on 30 Jan 2008, 13:59
Gemm, this better be a hell of an Epi LP if you're going to top Anna's Danelectro.

£350 worth of amazing sound.

Plus I like how it looks more than I do Anna's. Although that Danelectro is beautiful.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 30 Jan 2008, 14:19
I am lusting over some PRS SEs in the local guitar shop, if nothing breaks on my computer, I might be able to afford one soon *knock on wood*. Thinking a Tremonti, the extra tone and volume knobs seem like they can't be a bad thing. But I don't like the looks as much, and I don't know if I will like the feel... I need to go in and play them when I actually have money.

Noooooo not the Tremonti

Playing a guitar with the name of the fucking guy from CREED on it is basically like wearing a giant sign that says "I am a giant douchebag."
Maybe that is why it is the cheapest one there, 380 as opposed to 480.

They have non-SE singlecuts for 1300, I wish I could afford that, but if I could, I would probably end up getting a car.

The latest Alter Bridge album actually isn't bad, the vocals don't seem to fit, but he actually appears to be trying to play guitar well.

edit: I would get a Santana one if they had one in stock, it wasn't too expensive, and it felt good to play, but they don't. They have a lot of the SE Ones though, the ones with one pickup and one knob. Those are actually cheaper than the Tremonti, but I don't think I want something that limits options that much. I might not be good enough to take advantage of the features of the more elaborate set ups yet, but I want to be able to when I am good enough to do so.

edit^2: Oh, and who says I am not a douchebag?
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Post by: Patrick on 30 Jan 2008, 19:39
Gemm, this better be a hell of an Epi LP if you're going to top Anna's Danelectro.

£350 worth of amazing sound.

Whoa whoa whoa. This is like U.S. $800 going toward an Epiphone? Dude just get a Sheraton or something already.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 30 Jan 2008, 21:16
While I think stuff tends towards being more expensive in the UK, Kim is right, there has to be a better guitar for that price.
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Post by: valley_parade on 31 Jan 2008, 05:56
Gemm, this better be a hell of an Epi LP if you're going to top Anna's Danelectro.

£350 worth of amazing sound.

Whoa whoa whoa. This is like U.S. $800 going toward an Epiphone? Dude just get a Sheraton or something already.

I think importing guitars is a little more expensive for the Brits.

That or it's an LP Custom Plus.
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Post by: jeph on 31 Jan 2008, 07:47
You guys I was in the music store yesterday and they had one of these:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/3/1/4/464314.jpg)

I think I need to own it. But I already have too many guitars!

WHY MUST LIFE BE SO DIFFICULT

ps pixxx of my guitarz comin' soon
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Post by: valley_parade on 31 Jan 2008, 07:50
I already have too many guitars!

NOT POSSIBLE.
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Post by: Patrick on 31 Jan 2008, 08:56
I agree wholeheartedly with this comment. Seriously? Look at the number of Gibsons Kieffer Sutherland owns, and he doesn't even fucking play for a living.

tl;dr NO EXCUSES JEPH
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Post by: celticgeek on 31 Jan 2008, 09:24
Too many guitars??????????????????

Blasphemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Ballard on 31 Jan 2008, 09:27
Patrick was referring to:

(http://www.gibson.com/Files/AllAccess/2007/Feature_Images/kiefer3.jpg)

Full story here (http://www.gibson.com/allaccessFeatures.aspx?aliaspath=/AllAccess/Kiefer%20Sutherland_%20The%20Gibson).

That one he's holding, by the way? It's a '59. A FUCKING '59.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 31 Jan 2008, 09:30
The one to the left of that Explorer on the right, there.  That is a sexy guitar.
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Post by: Thrillho on 31 Jan 2008, 10:19
It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?

Anyone with long hair started plugging them into Marshalls and thinking they were the best band in the world. And so I, for one, grew to despise them and everything they began to stand for.

That is to say, they suck, dude!
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Post by: Ballard on 31 Jan 2008, 10:30
imapiratearg- that's just a faded Les Paul in TV Yellow. The double cutaway (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Faded-Double-Cutaway-Electric-Guitar?sku=517512) model is cooler.

DynamiteKid just outlined the reason I'll probably never get a Les Paul. That doesn't stop me from thinking that they're fucking great, really nice looking guitars. But they're just too stereotypical as rokk guitars for me.
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Post by: psyne on 31 Jan 2008, 10:48
Holy shit that's a lot of guitars. I don't think I know enough about electrics to get a boner over them like you guys do, but the acoustic in front is gorgeous.




This is my acoustic:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/psyne0/P1010321.jpg)

It's a little scuffed up now because my brother stole it for a while and when I got it back there were nicks. But it's still pretty and I love it, and it sounds great. I'm pretty much just starting out learning to play, been about a month (plus some random attempts at learning chords over the past year but complete failure at chord progressions).

True story: That guitar was given to me by a random guy on the street, for nothing but the condition that I should learn to play.
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Post by: Bearer on 31 Jan 2008, 11:58
My friend has an acoustic that's made out of 100% maple.  Probably the best sounding one I've heard.

But guys, I think I have a trump up my sleeve.  My grandfather recently passed away, which totally sucks, but he had an old Gibson hollow body from the 40's!  My dad is having it restored by Gibson, but we're not going to get it back probably until next year.  I'd get a pic up if I could, but I sadly don't have one.  I need to find out the serial number in any event.
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Post by: Patrick on 31 Jan 2008, 12:01
I don't think I know enough about electrics to get a boner over them like you guys do

Yeah Fuzz just go under the assumption that every guitar there is -fucking amazing-. Because they are.

Seriously? Those are all vintage Gibsons. That motherfucker has a '59 ES-335 and I want to chloroform the motherfucker and steal it from him.
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Post by: FireAarro on 31 Jan 2008, 20:14
imapiratearg- that's just a faded Les Paul in TV Yellow.

Not a Faded Les Paul, it's a Les Paul Special, aiight?
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Post by: Patrick on 31 Jan 2008, 20:46
Yeah Gene nothing there is new-manufacture, that is an -original run- TV yellow Les Paul flattop.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 31 Jan 2008, 20:51
It's still gorgeous, in my opinion.
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Post by: Spluff on 31 Jan 2008, 22:11
I personally prefer the two flanking it. That explorer is sexy, as is the other guitar which I can't put a name to.

Also, that much gold hardware gives me a raging erection.
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Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 05:04
Kieffer Sutherland

How does HE have a signature model and I don't? He's a FUCKING ACTOR.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Feb 2008, 05:15
I personally prefer the two flanking it. That explorer is sexy, as is the other guitar which I can't put a name to.

Also, that much gold hardware gives me a raging erection.

The one to the left of the vintage Les Paul Special is a Les Paul Junior.
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Post by: Patrick on 01 Feb 2008, 07:53
The one thing I hate about Gibsons: EXPENSIVE AS FUCK. A Les Paul Jr. would be awesome if it wasn't $800. You can get an American-made Fender for another $100 and you have a lot more tone options.
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Post by: jeph on 01 Feb 2008, 07:56
Okay guys, we have to kill Kiefer Sutherland.

(incidentally I might be getting an SG, I have been looking at too many of them lately...)
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Post by: Patrick on 01 Feb 2008, 08:30
(http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7638/thebeastdoitfaggotso8.jpg)
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Post by: David_Dovey on 01 Feb 2008, 08:59
All that being said, his sig-guitar looks pretty fuckin cool.
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Post by: jeph on 01 Feb 2008, 10:15
PS: Here's the first song recorded using the new POD X3. The guitars sound SO MUCH BETTER OMG

http://www.questionablecontent.net/CowerandSpit.mp3
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Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 10:53
All that being said, his sig-guitar looks pretty fuckin cool.

You know what'd look pretty fucking cool? MY SIGNATURE TELECASTER. Maybe I should get into acting, then I can get one!
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Post by: Lummer on 01 Feb 2008, 11:31
PS: Here's the first song recorded using the new POD X3. The guitars sound SO MUCH BETTER OMG

http://www.questionablecontent.net/CowerandSpit.mp3

Aw fuck... Now I need one of those..
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Post by: Thrillho on 01 Feb 2008, 11:47
So what'd you guys have on your signature guitars?

For me, I've got one word for ya:

STRELECASTER.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 11:54
White Telecaster, b/w/b '69 Thinline pickguard, normal 3-way/vol/tone control, humbucker in the bridge (probably a Duncan Custom 5) and a Texas Tele neck pickup.
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Post by: Jasper on 01 Feb 2008, 12:27
PS: Here's the first song recorded using the new POD X3. The guitars sound SO MUCH BETTER OMG

http://www.questionablecontent.net/CowerandSpit.mp3

That sounds great, the song itself has a kind of Mastadon-ish quality. Is that recorded on the seven string?
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Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Feb 2008, 13:04
Okay, guys, I just bought .010s for my guitar, and I've only had .09s on it before.  How do I avoid bowing my neck when I put them on?
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Post by: Jasper on 01 Feb 2008, 14:17
Okay, guys, I just bought .010s for my guitar, and I've only had .09s on it before.  How do I avoid bowing my neck when I put them on?

Tighten the truss rod, but do it over a few days. I think the rule is to stick under a quarter or half turn a day so it doesn't blow the fuck up. What guitar is it? And kind of a rule of thumb, (atleast I think) is to replace on string at a time, don't take all the old ones off at once then restring.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Feb 2008, 14:20
Oops.  That's exactly what I did...

>.<

It's a Squire Stratocaster.  Nothing fancy.  It's already broken and I want to get a better guitar, so I'm not horribly concerned about it breaking.  Although, I don't have a spare to play at all.  :|
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Post by: Jasper on 01 Feb 2008, 15:00
Oops.  That's exactly what I did...

>.<

It's a Squire Stratocaster.  Nothing fancy.  It's already broken and I want to get a better guitar, so I'm not horribly concerned about it breaking.  Although, I don't have a spare to play at all.  :|

You did what, take all the strings off? It's not going to ruin it, but chances are the necks' bow will be off, but you are adjusting it anyways, so I wouldn't sweat it.
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Post by: sean on 01 Feb 2008, 15:04
Fun fact: It is frowned upon to quote the post right above you. It tends to anger the elder forum gods.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 01 Feb 2008, 15:05
And kind of a rule of thumb, (atleast I think) is to replace on string at a time, don't take all the old ones off at once then restring.

I generally take them all off at once so I can get all the crap off my guitar.
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Post by: Ballard on 01 Feb 2008, 15:58
I generally take them all off, then alternate. Especially with single cutaway guitars which (usually) have a neck tension issue. Starting with the low e, high E, a, b, d, g.

Jasper, why is it necessary to do it over a few days? I've never had any problem adjusting the bow completely at once.
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Post by: FireAarro on 01 Feb 2008, 16:03
It's advisable to do only about a quarter turn a day, to give time for the wood to adjust, or your truss rod might snap, or some other shit will go down. But a quarter turn is often enough adjustment anyway.
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Post by: Jasper on 01 Feb 2008, 16:10
^^You got it. Cranking your truss rod is like slapping murphy's law in the balls.

Might as well put this all in one post -

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2234967591_c7a6cc331e_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2183/2235010705_d107d25ba1_o.jpg

The inlays make you play pentatonics faster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 01 Feb 2008, 17:19
I have almost the same thing Jasper, but it's the model les paul-esque body and it's the more expensive version instead of the cheaper - the z-6, if I recall correctly. Quality fucking guitar. Though I hate the inlays, they look pretty dodgy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 17:21
The inlays are far too big
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 01 Feb 2008, 18:10
The one thing I hate about Gibsons: EXPENSIVE AS FUCK. A Les Paul Jr. would be awesome if it wasn't $800. You can get an American-made Fender for another $100 and you have a lot more tone options.
I saw a... I think SG for 560, not epiphone, a gibson, I double-checked the name on the head.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 18:17
Faded, probably. Patrick had some bad experience with that and the headstock snapping off.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Feb 2008, 18:19
Though I'm pretty sure that wasn't price related.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 18:26
Probably not.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 01 Feb 2008, 18:30
So before I posted a silly little image of my bass from the intarnets. Now in this one of a time post, you can see the real thing, in shitty/blurry camera-phone format!

First, the collective group!
linkzorz! (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee175/antithesis9/kthx.jpg?t=1201918764)

From left to right, it is my Ampeg ba-115 hp, a squier p-bass, a hidden rumble 15 amp, and my pride and joy, my warwick convertte.

This is a closer, but kinda crappy pic of my amp and some of the squier.
another link!
 (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee175/antithesis9/pow.jpg)
And finally, a close up of my warwick. Delectable!
zomg clickplz! (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee175/antithesis9/dadfl.jpg)

Man, I need a real camera.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Feb 2008, 19:09
Though I'm pretty sure that wasn't price related.

It might've been. They obviously skipped the "check to see if the grain won't be compromised by the headstock angle we've been using for almost a century" step in the quality control process. That probably saved a good $500 right there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 01 Feb 2008, 21:29
That sounds great, the song itself has a kind of Mastadon-ish quality. Is that recorded on the seven string?

Reminds me of Arch Enemy, or Gothenburg stuff (and not Mastodon at any point at all), particularly the opening section. What drum sampler do you use?

Oh shit, that part about 3/4 of the way through, total Arch Enemy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 01 Feb 2008, 22:27
I was thinking of buying this one


(http://www.nealsmusic.com/uploads/productimg/item2_P7249288228.jpg)


Then anna and I can b guitar buddies
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Feb 2008, 22:36
See above, "DO IT FAGGOT"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 02 Feb 2008, 01:06
Guys...

(http://i9.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/bf/53/7b5c_1_sbl.JPG)

How exactly does one hold this guitar, let alone attach a strap?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Feb 2008, 01:17
Hold it by the neck? It looks like there is a bit that could have the strap attached to it (I think where the neck screws on), but it is going to be neck-heavy no matter what you do.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Feb 2008, 06:29
I was thinking of buying this one

I give up. I had my heart set on a '59 RI, but I suppose I'll get a U2 RI.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Feb 2008, 09:21
I was thinking of buying this one


*Blue Dano.*


Then anna and I can b guitar buddies

That's the best looking one I've seen so far.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 02 Feb 2008, 11:39
That flat finish is awesome.

^^You got it. Cranking your truss rod is like slapping murphy's law in the balls.

Might as well put this all in one post -

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2234967591_c7a6cc331e_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2183/2235010705_d107d25ba1_o.jpg

The inlays make you play pentatonics faster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bbqrocks on 02 Feb 2008, 11:41
My friend is going to purchase a BC Rich Beast. Is this a good idea?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 02 Feb 2008, 13:49
You know, after reading up on it a bit, I think I want to mod my strat so that I can do a Neck/Bridge Configuration (http://home.comcast.net/~jroscoe/Bridge-neckmod.html).  I think that'd sound pretty awesome.

Clean Sound Test (From above Link) (http://home.comcast.net/~jroscoe/bnclean.mp3)

Is this a good idea?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Feb 2008, 14:07
My friend is going to purchase a BC Rich Beast. Is this a good idea?

Based on what I've played and seen - buying a BC Rich is never a good idea...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bbqrocks on 02 Feb 2008, 14:10
Any reasons as to why? Is the sound/feel particularly bad, or is it just the chance that you are going to look like a tool/disembowl yourself?

On that note, my other friend got a 12 string that sounds beautiful.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Feb 2008, 14:17
In my experience - and wood being so inconsistent, it could very well have just been the guitars I played - they sound like shit, unless you're doing a riff so fast that it may as well be just pumping one detuned power chord for all the difference it makes to the sound coming out of your amp.

And yes, they look like fucking shit and mostly can't be played sat down. I've yet to see one that looks good. Actually, I think I saw one that was okay that was a rip-off of a Flying V, but that may have been someone else - and I never liked Flying Vs much either.

However, I guess they have their place if you like that sort of thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Feb 2008, 14:23
I have a nice, accurate slogan for them.

B.C. Rich Guitars: Only really useful for mercilessly bludgeoning the elderly since 1972.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Feb 2008, 14:25
Actually, just to add to my previous post, I thought the necks were quite good though. Possibly they're made for shredding - but it seemed smooth and easy to play, I just had a fucking stupid shape digging into my leg at the other end.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bbqrocks on 02 Feb 2008, 14:37
Thanks, I will advise him against it. Seeing as he is strictly rhythm guitarist, I don't think he will be doing much shredding.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 03 Feb 2008, 22:03
NEW TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BITCHES

After I get my Valveking, I'm getting a new guitar. Who knows anything about 7 strings?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Feb 2008, 22:37
Paging Jeph, Lummer to thread. I repeat, Jeph, Lummer to thread.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Feb 2008, 05:06
you are going to look like a tool

That one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Feb 2008, 05:15
you are going to look like you're in Tool.

That one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 04 Feb 2008, 09:47
NEW TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BITCHES

After I get my Valveking, I'm getting a new guitar. Who knows anything about 7 strings?

What's your budget ?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 11:44
Details, details. If you're not selling off everything you own to be able to afford an expensive guitar, you are not fit for this thread.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Feb 2008, 11:45
I can't find anyone to appraise that baseball I have, but I'd say it's worth a low-end Custom Shop Gibson.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 04 Feb 2008, 12:01
Details, details. If you're not selling off everything you own to be able to afford an expensive guitar, you are not fit for this thread.
...I am going to go be emo now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 04 Feb 2008, 12:09
What the fuck is this? (http://cgi.ebay.com/Electric-Bass-Guitar-4-String-New_W0QQitemZ180211461881QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Also, unf unf unf UUUNNNHHHFUUCCK ... aaaah. (http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Vadim-Custom-4-String-Bass-Guitar-Check-it-out_W0QQitemZ180211980233QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 12:35
I can't find anyone to appraise that baseball I have, but I'd say it's worth a low-end Custom Shop Gibson.

Is it bad that I immediately started thinking about selling my Bo Diddley-autographed guitar on Ebay just so I could buy more guitars?

I'm more tempted to just mod the everliving shit out of the electronics than anything though. I mean, it was the first ever guitar I had, and as one might expect, it was cheap as eff (January '05, it set my dad back $200 even, including amp, which is the one I have semi-famously destroyed by stomping on it) and the electronics-related corner-cutting that goes on with low-cost, low-end guitars like that Johnson is appalling.

That sentence had a lot of hyphens, but the tl;dr is that I am thinking of putting either some Texas Specials or a pair of '57 Classics in there. If I do the latter, I'm getting two of those vol+tone knobs to put in the tone spots, and there'll be a vintage style three way switch. Nothing's going to go in the original volume knob area.

And this time I'll actually have the damn thing wired the right way, with solder and shit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 04 Feb 2008, 12:45
Just don't mess up the signature on it, though I doubt I need to tell you that. It is going to be worth even more later on. Unless the world ends in 2012.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 12:53
My dad and I already engraved it. I had no choice. My dad and I sprayed some clearcoat on there (ironically, to try to form a protective barrier) and the Sharpie started to slough off. So honestly it's really not worth jack shit anymore 'cept unbelievable sentimental value.

He uh... yeah, he let me play his Gretsch box.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 04 Feb 2008, 13:23
What the fuck is this? (http://cgi.ebay.com/Electric-Bass-Guitar-4-String-New_W0QQitemZ180211461881QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Quote from: EBay
Electric Bass guitar, One piece solid Elm wood hand carved body, beautiful shape,  4 String,  Wilkinson high end  Pick ups. 5 seperated tailpiece.

That should be considered false advertising. I mean, beauty is subjective, but I can't believe anybody would find that shape beautiful.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 04 Feb 2008, 15:46
It's a knock off of uber-high end Ritter basses.  See here- http://www.ritter-basses.com/ritter-basses-baesse/ritter-basses-jupiter.htm . 

I hate stuff like that. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 04 Feb 2008, 17:40
I can't believe I'm saying this, but that thing makes less sense than Prince's guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 04 Feb 2008, 18:03
If I had $350 to burn I might consider getting this baby:

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/msg/561933394.html
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 04 Feb 2008, 18:19
It's a knock off of uber-high end Ritter basses.  See here- http://www.ritter-basses.com/ritter-basses-baesse/ritter-basses-jupiter.htm . 

I hate stuff like that. 

That thing has a four coil humbucker, or as they have aptly named it, the Quattro-Bucker.

If that's not unnecessary then I don't know what the fuck is. Plus, the body is just designed terribly. Not just on that model either. All of their models are just... too much.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 20:48
Do you see how many bolts the neck joint has
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 04 Feb 2008, 21:11
Do you think those bolts are bad? Then observe this bass, which triumphs in failure.

(http://www.ritter-basses.com/ritter-basses---bilder/ritter-basses-basses/ritter-basses-raptor/ritter-basses-raptor5.jpg)
(http://www.ritter-basses.com/ritter-basses---bilder/ritter-basses-basses/ritter-basses-raptor/ritter-basses-0317neckjoint.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 21:19
HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE

Seriously guys just set the fucking neck already.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Feb 2008, 06:00
Do you see how many bolts the neck joint has

I've see basses with six bolt necks..but fucking TEN?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 05 Feb 2008, 10:25
If I stick on some 10s and have my guitar tuned to drop C, am I going to have to fuck about with the intonation?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 05 Feb 2008, 10:36
If you're going all the way to Drop C, yes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 05 Feb 2008, 11:11
Just to make sure I understand correctly, I do mean Drop C as in D standard, but with the bottom string down to C. That is, CGCFAD, not CFBbEbGC.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 05 Feb 2008, 11:20
Oh, then yeah you should be ok.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 11:50
Oh, then yeah you should be ok.

No, he won't. The low C will be ridiculously floppy, even on a strat scale guitar.

11', at the very least!

However, I strongly recommend a Light Top//heavy Bottom set, like the Ernie Ball Beefy Slinky's.
You'll have to move the saddle for the G-string back a little to make it intonate properly, but that is only because .22 plain steel string behaves a little different.

Otherwise, the strings are 11-54
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 11:53
I use .11 sets on all my drop-c guitars. It seems to work pretty well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 05 Feb 2008, 11:57
The floppiness adds an added layer of awesome. It's like gravy on mashed potatoes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Feb 2008, 12:00
hello, first post here.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2262/2244267043_e297e33fcc_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 14:02
The floppiness adds an added layer of awesome. It's like gravy on mashed potatoes.

That depends.

If you wanna play sludgy, dooooomy riffs, then it is practically required..

Anything more technical than "Iron Man", though, will be nigh-on impossible to play.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Feb 2008, 15:42
I strongly recommend a Light Top//heavy Bottom set, like the Ernie Ball Beefy Slinky's.

Good sir, are you perhaps referring to these (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ernie-Ball-2215-Nickel-Slinky-Skinny-TopHeavy-Bottom-Electric-Guitar-Strings?sku=100615)?

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/6/4/7/366647.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:00
I've tried those before, and I didn't really like them. The jump in gauge between the top and bottom three strings felt weird to me.

Back when I had my soloist (sniffle goddamnit why why why did I sell that thing) I had it tuned to drop-b (drop-C only a half step higher...no it wasn't my idea, it was the other guitarist in the band) and put .12 gauge jazz sets on it. Having a wound G string is fucking INTENSE. Makes you feel like the dude from High on Fire.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Feb 2008, 16:04
I've tried those before, and I didn't really like them. The jump in gauge between the top and bottom three strings felt weird to me.

Back when I had my soloist (sniffle goddamnit why why why did I sell that thing) I had it tuned to drop-b (drop-C only a half step higher...no it wasn't my idea, it was the other guitarist in the band) and put .12 gauge jazz sets on it. Having a wound G string is fucking INTENSE. Makes you feel like the dude from High on Fire.

The 11 gauge sets from Dean Markley come with two different G strings. The set I just put on my AEX500 works smartly with a wound G. But I don't do alt tunings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 16:05
I strongly recommend a Light Top//heavy Bottom set, like the Ernie Ball Beefy Slinky's.

Good sir, are you perhaps referring to these (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ernie-Ball-2215-Nickel-Slinky-Skinny-TopHeavy-Bottom-Electric-Guitar-Strings?sku=100615)?

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/6/4/7/366647.jpg)

Among others, yes.
I had my Ibanez RG1570 tuned to Drop C with those for a short while. It worked very nice! That said, me and Drop C just don't get along.


I've tried those before, and I didn't really like them. The jump in gauge between the top and bottom three strings felt weird to me.

Back when I had my soloist (sniffle goddamnit why why why did I sell that thing) I had it tuned to drop-b (drop-C only a half step higher...no it wasn't my idea, it was the other guitarist in the band) and put .12 gauge jazz sets on it. Having a wound G string is fucking INTENSE. Makes you feel like the dude from High on Fire.

That must be a pretty darned good feeling, especially considering the Pikester probably wouldn't touch a soloist with a ten foot pole.
I do prefer the unwound G though, but still with a bit of grit to it.

For my Les Paul, I tune down to Eb with a set that goes 11 14 20 30 42 52.. Works prefectly for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 05 Feb 2008, 16:12
NEW TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BITCHES

After I get my Valveking, I'm getting a new guitar. Who knows anything about 7 strings?

What's your budget ?

It will be a fairly serious investment for me, so probably about a grand, give or take a few hundred. Also, it HAS to be fixed bridge. I think Schecter looks like my best bet, but I don't really know a whole lot of 7 string manufacturers.

And about strings, I've been using light top heavy bottom sets for a while, just out of curiosity, what kind of tone do you get from heavy top strings? My G string feels a little floppy-stretchy (harharhar) playing some things, but if it sounds like crap I won't bother.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:17
Yeah I am pretty sure if Matt Pike sees a dude playing a Soloist he just looks at them and it renders them sterile for life.

Drop-C is a tricky tuning because it's riiiiight on the threshold where the lower frequencies and looser strings start to interact with the guitar's pickups in funny ways. My EMG-equipped ESP handles it beautifully since its pickups have such a tight (you might even say absent) bottom end to begin with, but my McCarty, which sounds valkyric* in standard or drop-D, just turns into midrangey mush.

My Standard 24 FINALLY settled into drop-C (stupid tremolo) and it sounds quite nice. Fatter and creamier than the ESP, but with better definition than the McCarty. Mixing the ESP and the 24 is now my default recording setup.

*Like angelic, only more badass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:25
It will be a fairly serious investment for me, so probably about a grand, give or take a few hundred. Also, it HAS to be fixed bridge. I think Schecter looks like my best bet, but I don't really know a whole lot of 7 string manufacturers.

I don't have much experience with Schecters (although I played a USA-made one once that was awesome). I really like my Ibanez 7-string, but it's got a trem bridge so you wouldn't want it. Some other options for under a grand:

http://ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG7321
(http://espguitars.com/images/guitars/sc-607B.jpg)
(note that the above is a 27" scale baritone)
(http://espguitars.com/images/guitars/sc-607.jpg)

The ESPs have better components than the ibanez, but they also have the dude from the Deftones' signature on them. Dunno if that'd be an issue for you.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 16:31
NEW TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BITCHES

After I get my Valveking, I'm getting a new guitar. Who knows anything about 7 strings?

What's your budget ?

It will be a fairly serious investment for me, so probably about a grand, give or take a few hundred. Also, it HAS to be fixed bridge. I think Schecter looks like my best bet, but I don't really know a whole lot of 7 string manufacturers.

I'd say Schecter too, then. With some luck, you can chase down a blowout of the '07 Blackjack- or Hellraiser-series and get one for cheap.
That's what I'm planning, at least. You have to admit this guitar looks damn classy:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/hr_c7_bj_blk.jpg)

Otherwise I'm with Jeph on the ESP's, but due to my disdain of EMG's I'll pass myself.

If you want a fixed bridge Ibanez, you can perhaps hunt down an RG7621 og 7421 on EvilBay, but they're DAMN rare.
That said, it is pretty easy to block a floating trem, with one of these:

www.tremol-no.com (http://www.tremol-no.com)

I have one in my S-series sevenstring, and it's absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:36
You can also just wrap a 9-volt battery in electrical tape and wedge it between the trem and the inside of its routing cavity.

HELLA DIY, YO

Oh hey, are those actual Seymour Duncans in that Schecter? Go with that, then.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 16:39
You can also just wrap a 9-volt battery in electrical tape and wedge it between the trem and the inside of its routing cavity.

HELLA DIY, YO

Yes, But the tremol-no can let you switch the trem into full floating again at the turn of two finger screws. That's what's so brilliant about it :)

Plus, if you only use it as a blocker, it will be easier to get the trem sitting nice and level with it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:40
That thing does look pretty cool. I like how it doesn't require any permanent modifications to the guitar to work.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Feb 2008, 16:42
Having a wound G string is fucking INTENSE.

If you're never planning on bending a note on that G past 1/8 of a step, yeah it's intense. Trying to bend a note on a wound string with that much tension on it is like trying to squeeze a golf ball through your urethra. Sure, it might be possible, but do you really want to try it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:43
I bend wound Gs two whole steps all the time

With my cock
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 16:45
I bend wound Gs two whole steps all the time

With my cock

EDIT:

I tried to make a witty remark aimed at KimJongSick for being lame, but the remark itself was horrid and unfunny. Karma, I guess...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Feb 2008, 16:48
PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, JEPH, YOU KNOW THE POLICY
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Feb 2008, 17:08
If you're never planning on bending a note on that G past 1/8 of a step, yeah it's intense. Trying to bend a note on a wound string with that much tension on it is like trying to squeeze a golf ball through your urethra. Sure, it might be possible, but do you really want to try it?

Hmm I will give it a shot. I'm no hercules but I am a lefty that plays righty. But then I've never really gone for a specific note interval with a bend. After I put the set with the wound G on my yamaha I just commenced finger picking it like a banjo. Because that's what I do with that guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 05 Feb 2008, 17:42
You can also just wrap a 9-volt battery in electrical tape and wedge it between the trem and the inside of its routing cavity.

HELLA DIY, YO

Oh hey, are those actual Seymour Duncans in that Schecter? Go with that, then.

Actually, the two guitars I've owned up to this point have been floating bridges, and I've blocked both of them. The mock 'liscenced' Floyd on my current one feels great for palm muting, so it's more that tolerable, but if given the chance to trade for an identical guitar with a fixed bridge I would do it right away. I have given an honest attemp to stick with the bridge floating, but after swapping strings I couldn't handle completely re-tuning every half hour. Yeah, I stretched the srings. Yeah, I corrected the tension for a higher guage string. Yeah, I hate it like I hate spiders or snakes or other various wiggly grossfuckers.

So yeah, no trem. I'll keep an eye out for 07 Blackjacks, or any other ones for that matter I guess. I just figured out my local music shop is supposed to carry Schecter, so next time I'm there I'll ask about avaliability. And my hands and fingers are HUGE, so I wouldn't mind a longer scale.

EDIT~

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Schecter-C7-ATX-Electric-Guitar?sku=515766
HOLY SMOKES BONERGASM
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 06 Feb 2008, 03:08
That is one nice-looking guitar!

However it is the 08 blackjack, with active pickups. They are called Blackouts, are made by Seymour Duncan, and the clips I've heard thus far sound pretty nice. Not as sterile as EMG's.

I'm still gunning for the 07 models, though, due to the passive Duncans they come with. The JB pickup in particular tickles my fancy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Feb 2008, 12:59
On another topic, that sterility is what has always turned me off about PRS guitars. Maybe our self-gratifying friend Carlos has got his treble rolled all the way off on his shiny little PRS, but every post-1998 Santana song I have ever heard has no kick at all. It's just saying "Oh, hey, I'm here, but don't really mind me, I'm not really gonna get in the way." Man if you are playing lead you are SUPPOSED to be noticed. That's kindof the idea behind playing lead, idjit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 06 Feb 2008, 18:25
I have noticed that with all of his recent playing. The tone is so flat sounding, not my taste at all.

And on another note, does Ibanez make a single seven string without a trem? The only one I found is this-

(http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/images/eg2008/K7APEX2_GSF_1P_01.gif)

It's got Dimarzio's. Anyone have experience with them?

EDIT - Sorry about the funky outline. It's because of the site layout. And also, I just remembered the fixed bride 7 Jeph posted to. But two seems a little low still? My guitar teacher advised me to get a Ibanez instead of a Schecter, mainly because of their long time doing 7's. Is he right to say that? Because right now it looks like I'm getting a Schecter sooner or later.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Feb 2008, 19:33
Jeph wants to bomb the DiMarzio factory. I, for one, would like to procure all their TwangKing Tele pickups before he does so. After that, it is fair game.

Even then I would prefer Duncan Tele pickups. UNF
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Feb 2008, 10:24
The floppiness adds an added layer of awesome. It's like gravy on mashed potatoes.

That depends.

If you wanna play sludgy, dooooomy riffs, then it is practically required..

Anything more technical than "Iron Man", though, will be nigh-on impossible to play.

I dunno, I was mostly managing okay with 9s in Drop C, bro. I just wanted the less flappiness. I'll try it with tens and come back later.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 07 Feb 2008, 10:40
I have noticed that with all of his recent playing. The tone is so flat sounding, not my taste at all.

And on another note, does Ibanez make a single seven string without a trem? The only one I found is this-

PIC CHOP

It's got Dimarzio's. Anyone have experience with them?

EDIT - Sorry about the funky outline. It's because of the site layout. And also, I just remembered the fixed bride 7 Jeph posted to. But two seems a little low still? My guitar teacher advised me to get a Ibanez instead of a Schecter, mainly because of their long time doing 7's. Is he right to say that? Because right now it looks like I'm getting a Schecter sooner or later.

They make 2 that I am aware of,
This http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG7321 (http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG7321)
&
This http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=APEX2 (http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=APEX2)
The APEX2 is one of Munky's (korn) signature guitars if that means anything to you.
Dimarzio pup's always sounded a bit thin to me.
What ever you get just make sure it has at least a 25.5 inch scale.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 07 Feb 2008, 12:52
Out of curiousity, how long does it take playing guitar before you stop snickering at people referring to the G-string?

And what does a "sterile" sound sound like? Anyone got an example of that? Just post '98 Santana? That is post-Supernatural, right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 07 Feb 2008, 13:03
The APEX2 is one of Munky's (korn) signature guitars if that means anything to you.

Nothing good.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Feb 2008, 21:40
And what does a "sterile" sound sound like? Anyone got an example of that? Just post '98 Santana? That is post-Supernatural, right?

Listen to "Smooth" with Rob Thomas and you will know exactly what I'm talking about. When Brian May did it, it was cool, because he was doing something unique on the side of it. When Carlos Santana does it, it's just self-gratification with a Brian May tone, but none of the cool multi-tracked badassery.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Feb 2008, 06:30
As I recall, he used a Les Paul for that album. He used PRSs later. Or did he start partway through that album?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Feb 2008, 10:26
He's used PRS since the late 80s, I think. One of Paul's first custom guitars was hand-built for Santana.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Feb 2008, 11:00
I do remember seeing that most of it was made with a Les Paul, but in the MTV video for smooth, at least, the guitar is his PRS, as is the one used in Put Your Lights On. I guess the les paul thing was probably not true. I do like some of those songs off that album, my father has it.

So, am I right in surmising that a large part of whether you like guitars or not is personal taste, in which there is no right answer (other than mine)?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Feb 2008, 11:05
Optional theory:

PRS Singlecut.


And also: yes. If you like it, get it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 08 Feb 2008, 11:20
On another topic, that sterility is what has always turned me off about PRS guitars. Maybe our self-gratifying friend Carlos has got his treble rolled all the way off on his shiny little PRS, but every post-1998 Santana song I have ever heard has no kick at all. It's just saying "Oh, hey, I'm here, but don't really mind me, I'm not really gonna get in the way." Man if you are playing lead you are SUPPOSED to be noticed. That's kindof the idea behind playing lead, idjit.
And you think his early stuff didn't?   Face it, Santana's always been a hack.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Feb 2008, 11:28
Optional theory:

PRS Singlecut.


And also: yes. If you like it, get it.
I have seen singlecuts at $1300, compared to the 2800 I see online. Curse my brokeness.

Beast, I will stab your eyes out with my hair.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 08 Feb 2008, 19:08
Dudes, I have no words for how nerdy and awesome this is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbpZBQ7jXgI

just...wtach
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Feb 2008, 07:22
Ah yeah. I saw those dudes on Current TV the other night.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Feb 2008, 21:25
I can't exactly say that's really the most useful thing to do with your time. Have fun with your pentatonic scale there, sugar.

I, for one, am starting to want to get a steel guitar. Seriously? Listen to how they use it in this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Va-1diMIpqk). It'd be worth the $700 for a good pedal steel to be able to do that kind of thing.

Aside from that I really want to make out with either one of them. Too bad for me that neither of them are straight.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 09 Feb 2008, 22:16
Yeah, I've wanted a lap steel for a long time, but I can't see myself buying it until I have a lot of other things first. It's a pretty specific instrument, theres not too many things you can do with it - so it would only really get used occasionally.

So I guess I'll keep myself occupied just using a slide with my regular acoustic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Feb 2008, 04:00
Lap steel and pedal steel are different things.

And if you think it's specific, you need to experiment more. I'm working on incorporating it into my space-metal band somehow.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 10 Feb 2008, 04:23
This has just convinced me that I need a Caparison really bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xzKu5Cannc
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Feb 2008, 12:42
And if you think it's specific, you need to experiment more. I'm working on incorporating it into my space-metal band somehow.

I'd drink to that if I were more sober right now.

Seriously? Think of the possibilities. All the limitations of slide guitar (one tuning only? Fuck that) are GONE save for tone versatility (you can only do so much with one pickup).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 10 Feb 2008, 19:39
http://buildyourguitar.com/resources/lapsteel/ (http://buildyourguitar.com/resources/lapsteel/)

Build one for cheap. you can put in another pickup if you want.



umm....

*slap*

build your own guitar my fat furry ass

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 10 Feb 2008, 20:56
Lap steel and pedal steel are different things.

And if you think it's specific, you need to experiment more. I'm working on incorporating it into my space-metal band somehow.

Yeah, but he just said he wanted a steel guitar, not a pedal steel.

It's still a pretty specific sound. Sure, you could incorporate it into many things and probably have it sound pretty awesome, but the sound it produces it pretty similar each time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Feb 2008, 00:31
It'd be worth the $700 for a good pedal steel to be able to do that kind of thing.

Also, I feel like showing off (http://www.box.net/shared/dnneufqm8o) again. This is me, learning how to fingerpick fun rockabilly stuff on my modded Squier!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 11 Feb 2008, 10:45
Lap steel and pedal steel are different things.

And if you think it's specific, you need to experiment more. I'm working on incorporating it into my space-metal band somehow.

Yeah, but he just said he wanted a steel guitar, not a pedal steel.

It's still a pretty specific sound. Sure, you could incorporate it into many things and probably have it sound pretty awesome, but the sound it produces it pretty similar each time.

This is one of the few times where I endorse effects - some reverb, delay, distortion and you can come up with a kind of far-eastern-metal sound on my lap steel, at least. Get a violin bow working properly and you haven't something awesome too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 01:20
I WANTS IT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 13 Feb 2008, 01:23
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r309/FireAarro/Offset/AVRI%20Jaguar/IMG_0682.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 13 Feb 2008, 01:46
OLYMPIC

FUCKING

WHITE

HUAGLAGLSGKDJ
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 02:12
Probably NSFW (http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7349/icamevn5.jpg) but totally fucking relevant.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 13 Feb 2008, 02:28
Jag overload.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2229576166_443425e053.jpg?v=1201645557)

I've just started playing my jag again. I've neglected it for years but now i realize that it actually has a fantastic sound. At the moment it has 12 gauge strings on it which are ripping my pissy fingers to shreds after using 10 gauge strings on the tele for so long (i keep meaning to put 11's on it but my local guitar shop never seems to have them). I think at the moment i actually prefer playing the jaguar which has never happened to me since i got my tele.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 02:56
People who own Jaguars and do not play them should be -beaten-
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Feb 2008, 03:15
In general, all people who own nice guitars and don't use them need a pimpslap.. Myself included, since I don't really use my RG1570 that much anymore, if at all :/

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 13 Feb 2008, 03:31
Send that RG1570 my way, I need a 24 fret guitar for extended sweeping wankery. If you're gonna do it, you've gotta do it properly with an extra two frets of range.

 :-D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Feb 2008, 03:32
That depends how much you're willing to pay :P
Or if you happen to have an Ibanez RG1570 lying around that you'll trade for it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Feb 2008, 05:23
I want a Jag, now. =(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 08:24
You and me both. Don't listen to Eugene when he tells you that we have an unhealthy obsession with them because he is full of shit and I bet he listens to Good News For People Who Love Bad News and likes it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Feb 2008, 08:34
http://www.hofner.com/gab/en/phpshop/43/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.zupf_flypage/product_id,175/category_id,104/

Sup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 13:41
I see your Höfner and I raise you one brand new replacement Gibson SG, fresh from the factory, never been played by anybody but the setup guys.

(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5776/newsgru1.jpg)

She's back at my dad's and I will pick her up the next time I'm in California.

TL;DR FUCK YES
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Feb 2008, 13:44
Is it wrong to not like SGs?  I played an SG Gothic once, and I hated it.  The pickups sucked, and the fretboard was ebony, and flat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 13 Feb 2008, 13:59
I mean, I guess it's fine if you have no soul.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 14:35
Or it could just be he was playing a crappy Epi, since they are the only ones that make Gothics, as far as I know.

That SG looks absolutely awesome, you got really lucky on the way the grain shows on that one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Feb 2008, 14:43
No, it was a Gibson.  I'd imagine it would sound nice if it had Seymour Duncans in it or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 13 Feb 2008, 15:01
You and me both. Don't listen to Eugene when he tells you that we have an unhealthy obsession with them because he is full of shit and I bet he listens to Good News For People Who Love Bad News and likes it.

It's okay, he's only jealous; he's try to play mine everytime it's near him.

Haha, he's forgiven though, his Epiphone SG is kind of shitty.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Feb 2008, 15:04
My drummer's dad's Epiphone SG is kind of shitty.*

(Hopefully I'm getting me that Tele Custom in April)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 13 Feb 2008, 17:00
My drummer's dad's Epiphone SG is kind of shitty.*

(Hopefully I'm getting me that Tele Custom in April)

(Finally)

I really wanna get a Gibson (Maybe Firebird?) to go with my Jaguar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 13 Feb 2008, 17:02
So, I'm looking to get a new amp.  My current shite practice amp is not cutting it.  I want something that is very versatile, has good tone, and is fairly small.  It would be nice to get it under $250, $200 if possible.  I'm liking the Fender Champ 600, but it doesn't seem that versatile tone-wise.  There's a vintage Traynor solid-state at a local store that I'll probably look at.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 17:06
No, it was a Gibson.  I'd imagine it would sound nice if it had Seymour Duncans in it or something.
Huh. I had never heard of Gibson making those. Wait... is that what Iommi plays, or does he have a signature model?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 13 Feb 2008, 17:18
Guys, guys, guys.

Take a look at this number.

(http://a418.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/10/l_3402402749046901c8fab9df8096cf19.jpg)

(http://a399.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/50/l_55ad4cd9daee59d1c5663e1a2a0d85de.jpg)

This would probably destroy the shit out of my back, but gosh darn how lovely this thing looks.

I'm pretty happy with my Fender Lead II, but this thing... damn.

As far as other guitars I lust for go, I would be happy with an Eastwood Classic Six or a Rickenbacker 330 (not that I can afford one). And that Hofner looks spiffy, but I think I like the look of this one (http://www.hofner.com/gab/en/phpshop/43/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.zupf_flypage/product_id,50/category_id,9/) better.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Feb 2008, 17:25
That Hofner guitar is pretty much what I want for a guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 17:29
*img*
*img*
'Scuse me, I need to clean the drool off my keyboard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Gemmwah on 13 Feb 2008, 17:34
holy fucking SHIT that thing is amazing. want want want want want.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 13 Feb 2008, 17:44
Guys, guys, guys.

Take a look at this number.

That's nice, but what the fuck is it? Bean-esque all aluminiumaster?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 13 Feb 2008, 17:46
Sorta. (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=75565971)

P.S.: If you choose to venture through the pictures section, have about two changes of pants at the helm.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Feb 2008, 17:49
No, it was a Gibson.  I'd imagine it would sound nice if it had Seymour Duncans in it or something.
Huh. I had never heard of Gibson making those. Wait... is that what Iommi plays, or does he have a signature model?

They made them for a year or two, a while back, then discontinued them. They were basically gussied-up SG Specials.

Iommi has a signature model which is completely different.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 18:03
Ah, okay. Thank you, o font of guitar wisdom and guru of webcomicry.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Feb 2008, 02:43
Is it wrong to not like SGs?  I played an SG Gothic once

That right there indicates -exactly- what you were doing wrong.

(snip) you got really lucky on the way the grain shows on that one.

Thanks! I actually though that too, at first, but then I realized it wasn't so much luck as the fact that the really thin finish shows it off beautifully. This one's a lot brighter red than the one that broke, it appears, althought that may just be the flash.

godinpants is right about that mirror Jazz, that's a 3x3 angled headstock if I ever saw one. My guess is that it's a Warmoth job that had a lot of potential but immediately turned into FAIL with that headstock. Seriously who the fuck thought it'd be a good idea to angle that thing?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 14 Feb 2008, 04:18
godinpants is right about that mirror Jazz, that's a 3x3 angled headstock if I ever saw one. My guess is that it's a Warmoth job that had a lot of potential but immediately turned into FAIL with that headstock. Seriously who the fuck thought it'd be a good idea to angle that thing?

It's just the same neck they use on all their guitars. Kramer/Travis Bean style:

(http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/780/620956.JPG)

(http://www.thealuminumking.com/images/TB1000A.jpg)

The entire guitar is aluminium, by the way. (not these ones, the Electrical Guitar Company Jazzmaster). That might explain the headstock design, save on metal/weight
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 14 Feb 2008, 05:36
So, I'm looking to get a new amp.  My current shite practice amp is not cutting it.  I want something that is very versatile, has good tone, and is fairly small.  It would be nice to get it under $250, $200 if possible.  I'm liking the Fender Champ 600, but it doesn't seem that versatile tone-wise.  There's a vintage Traynor solid-state at a local store that I'll probably look at.  Any ideas?

I'm looking for a small amp myself & this caught my eye,
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-SuperChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483075 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-SuperChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483075)
It's a little more, But it might be worth looking into.
They also have this,
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-VibroChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483069 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-VibroChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483069)
It's more in line with your stated budget & has the same features & effects but only one channel and 5w output.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 14 Feb 2008, 07:01
Thanks! I actually though that too, at first, but then I realized it wasn't so much luck as the fact that the really thin finish shows it off beautifully. This one's a lot brighter red than the one that broke, it appears, althought that may just be the flash.
So is that a faded model? I think I heard that those have the thinner finish, which would be great, since they are also the cheaper ones.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 14 Feb 2008, 07:04
I cannot get past that the SG is one of the worst balanced guitars evarr.

If you like the chrome, the fender, the six in line tuners, the humbuckers...then check this out: (John 5 Triple Deluxe)
(http://www.musikland-online.de/pix/onlineshop/Fender-Telecaster-John-V-J5-Triple-Deluxe-Black.jpg)
That pickguard is chrome, not white, btw...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Feb 2008, 09:42
That is fucking HIDEOUS. What is it with John 5 and raping Telecasters?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Feb 2008, 09:59
So is that a faded model? I think I heard that those have the thinner finish, which would be great, since they are also the cheaper ones.

It is indeed! The best thing about the finish is that it's not even really paint, it's just a reddish stain on mahogany and it's just given a sortof twice-over airbrushing of tung oil.

Regarding the SG's balance issues, I've never really cared about the way any of my guitars have balanced. Idunno, maybe I'm just not picky after having owned nothing but shit guitars up until I bought that SG, but I'm really not concerned with how it balances. *shrug* I dunno, it doesn't balance perfectly but it's never bothered me.

To be fair, I've never once played a Gibson that balanced well. My mate's dad has a vintage ES-335 (I hate him so much for it, too), I've played Pauls and SGs out the ass, I've played a friend's vintage Blueshawk and another friend of mine let me play his CS-356 and none of them have been anything but neck-heavy. Maybe Gibson's offset-body designs are different but I've never tried them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Feb 2008, 10:49
Okay people.

I have a '72 Telecaster Custom. It was my baby. It is my dream guitar. It plays like a dream, it looks like a dream, it sounds like a dream. I couldn't be happier with it.

However - since buying it, I haven't played my Squier Tele Standard much. I picked it up to play it recently, and realised that, quite frankly, it's essentially worthless to me now.

The single coil pickups are weak. They're stock, and I know singles aren't meant to be great for sustain or power or anything, but this is ridiculous - they have virtually no sustain and don't even sound that great any more. I was having trouble competing with my mate's electro-acoustic through an amp, fer chrissakes.

It also doesn't play well for me any more. The neck seems to not slide very well. I always forget the names of the woods - but it's a dark colour. Maple, I think? I don't know, but the Standard has a dark neck and I can barely play it, the Custom has a yellow neck and it plays beautifully.

Basically, I don't think that this Squier is a bad guitar, it's just not what I want any more.

It does still hold sentimental value. It has a slight ding in the finish which I find endearing - but I'm realising that I have eight guitars. I can't take them all to uni and this one isn't doing me much good for anything. I'm in a metal band at the moment and as a spare guitar, it'd be utterly useless.

The question is - should I sell it? It has no practical use, only sentimental value; and if nothing else, it may teach me that I never want to sell one of my guitars again, but I know I'll barely use it.

I want to replace it with a Jaguar...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Feb 2008, 10:57
Just give it to me. I'll fix it up nice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Feb 2008, 11:08
That's another thing I forgot to mention, is that for the cost it'd take to make it useable again, it'd 1. not be the guitar I loved any more (it'd be just the body) and 2. be pricey enough that I should just buy another guitar instead.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 14 Feb 2008, 13:11
That's another thing I forgot to mention, is that for the cost it'd take to make it useable again, it'd 1. not be the guitar I loved any more (it'd be just the body) and 2. be pricey enough that I should just buy another guitar instead.
I have a mexiCaster I feel the same way about. It's an ok backup. Everytime I think about getting the bridge fixed I just say, "meh."

I think the John 5 looks cool. But then I play a Parker so I am already into unusual, I guess. I've been leaning on something like the John 5 for my next purchase. But 1) I don't want a #$@#$^ John 5 anything. and 2) I could get an Eastwood that would be way fruitier looking and thus multiply my happiness. Addionally 3) the J5 Triple Delux is fucking made in Mexico. And I fear that it would be a let down shortly after purchasing.

Of course the last 3 basses we bought we 'Murican made and every one of them had to go back for one reason or another.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Feb 2008, 14:00
Regarding the SG's balance issues, I've never really cared about the way any of my guitars have balanced. Idunno, maybe I'm just not picky after having owned nothing but shit guitars up until I bought that SG, but I'm really not concerned with how it balances. *shrug* I dunno, it doesn't balance perfectly but it's never bothered me.

To be fair, I've never once played a Gibson that balanced well. My mate's dad has a vintage ES-335 (I hate him so much for it, too), I've played Pauls and SGs out the ass, I've played a friend's vintage Blueshawk and another friend of mine let me play his CS-356 and none of them have been anything but neck-heavy. Maybe Gibson's offset-body designs are different but I've never tried them.

That's weird, I've never played a Les Paul that balanced funny!

My Firebird is less neck-heavy than an SG but more neck-heavy than a Les Paul. The design also sticks the neck way further out towards your left arm than Les Pauls or SGs, which I like. I've never actually played an Explorer standing up, so I don't know if they do something similar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Feb 2008, 14:57
The single coil pickups are weak. They're stock, and I know singles aren't meant to be great for sustain or power or anything, but this is ridiculous - they have virtually no sustain and don't even sound that great any more. I was having trouble competing with my mate's electro-acoustic through an amp, fer chrissakes.

It also doesn't play well for me any more. The neck seems to not slide very well. I always forget the names of the woods - but it's a dark colour. Maple, I think? I don't know, but the Standard has a dark neck and I can barely play it, the Custom has a yellow neck and it plays beautifully.

Squire pickups are pretty lame.  Although, I changed the strings on my Squire Strat to a heavier gauge recently, and got a shitload of my sustain back.  Dark necks are either ebony or rosewood (or perhaps mahogany*).  I've never seen an ebony fretboard on a Squire or a Fender, though.  Maple is the yellow wood.

*You might want to double check that one.  I'm not too sure about it, myself.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 14 Feb 2008, 15:24
Hmmm...

On the topic of Squier pickups, I've debated replacing the pickup's on my p-bass. Is this worth bothering with?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Feb 2008, 15:50
Squier pickups are pretty lame

YOU ARE WRONG (http://www.box.net/shared/xc7w6i2sks)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Feb 2008, 15:54
Squier pickups are pretty lame

YOU ARE WRONG (http://www.box.net/shared/xc7w6i2sks)

What about the overdriven tone?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 14 Feb 2008, 16:05
So, I'm looking to get a new amp.  My current shite practice amp is not cutting it.  I want something that is very versatile, has good tone, and is fairly small.  It would be nice to get it under $250, $200 if possible.  I'm liking the Fender Champ 600, but it doesn't seem that versatile tone-wise.  There's a vintage Traynor solid-state at a local store that I'll probably look at.  Any ideas?

I'm looking for a small amp myself & this caught my eye,
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-SuperChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483075 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-SuperChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483075)
It's a little more, But it might be worth looking into.
They also have this,
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-VibroChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483069 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-VibroChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483069)
It's more in line with your stated budget & has the same features & effects but only one channel and 5w output.

Thanks for pointing these out!  I went and tried out some amps today.  I eliminated a vintage Univox solid state w/ tremolo (it was kind of ridiculous but also shitty), an Orange practice amp (again, shitty), and a Tech 21 Trademark 10.  The Tech 21 was nice (for solid state), but I kind of dislike the idea of trying to copy the sound of a classic amp, and I'm not sure how I feel about the execution of the concept either.  I tried one amp I really liked: the vintage Traynor TS-50.  It's solid state, but has decent tone, and might be exactly what I want, as it has some good basic controls (EQ, gain, volume) and some nice features (reverb, bright switch, boost).  Plus it's larger than my current one and sounds like it could get loud (and it has a direct out as well as the ability to disconnect the internal speaker and hook it up to a larger cab).  I was not able to try out the Fender Champ 600, but it seems like it wouldn't really be versatile enough for my needs.

In other news, my friend just got a vintage Mosrite Celebrity hollow-body short-scale bass.  Serial No. 12
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Feb 2008, 16:37
What about the overdriven tone?

(quick reminder: please don't quote the post above you!)

http://www.box.net/shared/ngwdul3lwc

Disregard the vocals, I suck cocks (and it was a 20 minute job at most).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 14 Feb 2008, 16:50
What amp is that tone going through?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 14 Feb 2008, 20:08
The question is - should I sell it? It has no practical use, only sentimental value; and if nothing else, it may teach me that I never want to sell one of my guitars again, but I know I'll barely use it.

I want to replace it with a Jaguar...

That's up to you, depends how much sentimental attachment you have to it. You know, a Jaguar won't be much use in a metal band either, unless you're just using it for the clean bits or it's one of those with humbuckers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Feb 2008, 00:50
What amp is that tone going through?

My Marshall MG100DFX and my Boss DD-20. I think I've only got one recording on an EP I'm about to finish that doesn't use my Marsh exclusively, and I think every recording has my DD-20. Those two things are pretty much my lifeline.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 15 Feb 2008, 01:01
My Marshall MG100DFX and my Boss DD-20. I think I've only got one recording on an EP I'm about to finish that doesn't use my Marsh exclusively, and I think every recording has my DD-20. Those two things are pretty much my lifeline.

... an MG? I applaud you for getting such an agreeable tone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 15 Feb 2008, 01:09
I'm curious, why did you choose to go for an MG instead of saving a little more and getting a cheap tube combo?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 15 Feb 2008, 01:27
It's not that agreeable a tone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 03:02
It's not that agreeable a tone.

Considering the gear, it is actually really good. It still sounds pretty flat, thin and lifeless, but hey.. It's a solid state and Squier, what can you expect?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 15 Feb 2008, 03:27
It's not that agreeable a tone.

Oh, come now, it's not that bad for a Tele.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: voidSkipper on 15 Feb 2008, 03:53
It's not that agreeable a tone.

Oh, come now, it's not that bad for a Tele.

I need to log in for the first time in a long time here just to say;

"Oh no he didn't!"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 05:05
... an MG? I applaud you for getting such an agreeable tone.

Wicked under-rated amps. I love my MG-15CDR.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 15 Feb 2008, 05:08
What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 05:13
What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

QFT..

I also thought my MG15CDR sounded good until I tried something else.

Boy, was I wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 05:15
What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

I'll admit it's nowhere near the Hot Rod Deluxe I've played at my local shop, but it gets the job done for me.

My other amp is a shitty Peavey 15 watt thing. I'd asked my parents for an Epi Valve Junior for christmas, and my dad, drummer he is, thinks "it's solid state, but it's got more tone control! Hell yes!". I use it for my noise records.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 05:22
I know he's your dad and everything and you love him and all, but I'll say this:

Don't ever trust a drummer with a task more complicated than hitting stuff with sticks. It will go wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Feb 2008, 05:22
I want a Hot Rod Deluxe so bad.   :cry:

When I have a spare two hundred dollars, I'm going to trade the amp I have now in, and pay the difference for one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 05:28
I know he's your dad and everything and you love him and all, but I'll say this:

Don't ever trust a drummer with a task more complicated than hitting stuff with sticks. It will go wrong.

He keeps pushing Ibanez on me, as well. Dude. I want to get a Fender, or a Dano or something along that line. I can't stand Ibanez.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 05:32
Guitars or amps?!

You really should try the Ibanez Valbee practice amp, if given the opportunity. I've had mine for about a month and I am very pleased with it, since it has a lot more tonal options than your average tiny tube combo. The tone is also really, really nice.

That said, if you don't want your guitars to be total metal shredder-machines, try and check out their Artcore line. Lots of really nice Jazzboxes and semi-hollows at dirt cheap prices.
Yes, I am an Ibanez whore. I love my S7420 to death, just so you know.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 05:35
The guitars. I think it mainly is the aesthetics, and the whole metalcore/shredding vibe the company gives off. It's kinda the same thing that tends to turn me away from ESP (though I could swear Jonsi was playing a Viper on "Heysatan", in Heima)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 15 Feb 2008, 05:36
The Ibanez SZ series is also great. They're more hard-rock geared than metal. Thicker necks, 22 frets, fuller bodies, ect.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 05:44
The guitars. I think it mainly is the aesthetics, and the whole metalcore/shredding vibe the company gives off. It's kinda the same thing that tends to turn me away from ESP (though I could swear Jonsi was playing a Viper on "Heysatan", in Heima)

That's true, but it's because that stuff is trendy and sells boatloads nowadays. They still do put out some really cool rock guitars though, like the SZ series. They also put out these things this year:

(http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2008/299.JPG)

(http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2008/263.JPG)
This is a reissue, though..

(http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2008/403.JPG)



But then again, they also did put out this one:

(http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2008/236.JPG)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Feb 2008, 07:43
What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

Dude, I've played a vintage Fender Deluxe and a vintage Vox AC30 and I still think my MG puts up damn stiff competition.

Now, if you were to say my microphone sounds like crap, I would definitely agree with you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 08:15
What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

Dude, I've played a vintage Fender Deluxe and a vintage Vox AC30 and I still think my MG puts up damn stiff competition.


..but it still isn't better, which is why we, or at least I, will continue to chastise you for still owning it.
Another factor is also that you've learned to dial in the best tone you can with the MG, while you probably hadn't gotten to know the other amps quite as well.
It took me a few weeks of owning it to get the perfect ROKK tone out of my Laney, but when it clicked for me, it clicked HARD!

Come to think of it, a Laney VC15 might be just right for you. It's basically just a good, all-tube combo that can be used for pretty much anything, and they're dirt cheap as well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Feb 2008, 08:35
@img

Those ARXs are beautiful. Why do I keep looking at guitars when I still have so far to go to be able to afford one?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Feb 2008, 08:50
Dude, I've played a vintage Fender Deluxe and a vintage Vox AC30 and I still think my MG puts up damn stiff competition.

Another factor is also that you've learned to dial in the best tone you can with the MG

Not true in these two cases, actually. For those two samples I was pretty well out of my usual area. I'm used to dialing my own unique tone in for most of my original stuff, but for that rockabilly ditty I hadn't quite got it perfect! As for the punked-out Snow Patrol cover, that's more distortion than I ever use normally, and I didn't bother adjusting EQ settings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 09:05
OK, can I hear "your" tone then?!

You may still have done the impossible and gotten it to sound decent, for all I know.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 09:53
Okay, dig the AR300. But $3000? Christfucks!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2008, 09:55
The question is - should I sell it? It has no practical use, only sentimental value; and if nothing else, it may teach me that I never want to sell one of my guitars again, but I know I'll barely use it.

I want to replace it with a Jaguar...

That's up to you, depends how much sentimental attachment you have to it. You know, a Jaguar won't be much use in a metal band either, unless you're just using it for the clean bits or it's one of those with humbuckers.

Except for:

1. I like a single coil distorted tone and have seen it used, heard it used, and used it myself successfully in the past, with different guitars. I have no problem with single coils being weaker than humbuckers - I have a problem with them being weaker than a mewing kitten.
2. They are used extensively by noise-rock bands and the likes of At The Drive-In, and have a wammy bar. These are things I can put to good use.
3. Single coil sounds cut.
4. I can use it for other things as well as this, whereas the Tele I currently can't use for ANYTHING.
5. I'm ruminating on a Jagstang, because they have a humbucker in the bridge (ironic that they don't come in fucking left handed! Not that I'm a lefty, but Kurt was...) and a single coil in the neck, which is a config I've always liked.

I think the decision has been made that I'll sell the Tele, it's basically about what I buy instead.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 10:01
There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bucky_2300 on 15 Feb 2008, 10:11
Mmkay, here is all my guitar schmick, excepting acousticness.

DISCLAIMER: I am not actually a Vai whore. It only looks that way.

So first off, here are the guitars.

Epi LP, which has been re-jiggered to death. Tailpiece, tuners, pickups, tone/volume pots, wiring etc. are all new from when I bought it used four years ago. The new pickups are a Seymour Duncan JB and a Lace Transbucker. It's great, sounds really fat and powerful.

And my baby, the JEM7V. No mods, no nothing. It was pretty amazing right out of the box when I ordered it from Ibanez. (No one in this city ever has these things just in stock.) The pickups are tight, hot and articulate. The neck is super-speedy and wide - great for pretty much anything you throw at it. Trem is awesome, never have tuning problems with it no matter how goofy I get. And the monkey grip is just fun.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/bucky_2300/P1011824.jpg)

Next up, amplifier! It's a Carvin Legacy, sounds basically like a hot-rodded JCM800, but with a much better clean sound - and dirty as well, imo. Switchable 50/100w, EL34/12AX7, blah blah blah. It's not a metal amplifier, but it has great thick sustain and a really crunchy Marshally tone. The clean channel is either fat as can be without the presence (great for jazzy stuff) or almost Fender-ish with the presence kicked in. I was pleasantly surprised at the wide range of tones available from this amp, and that it's not at all Vai-in-a-box.

Also, it's LOUD. Holy Jesus is this thing loud. I'm running it through a 2x12 and it can practically peel paint off the walls at four.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/bucky_2300/P1011820.jpg)

Finally, pedals.

The Silver Dragon I never use since getting the Legacy, just don't need it. The gain levels are too huge to use before the gain channel, and the sound into the clean channel is mediocre. So it just sits there looking pretty.

The Boss OD-3 is what I use into the amp's dirty channel. Level all the way up, gain all the way down. It keeps the character of the amp's distortion intact but adds punch and a tiny bit of dirt on the palm muted stuff. It's a great pedal, doesn't do everything but it does what I need it to do.

The MXR Phase 90 is a script logo, so it's supposed to be the "vintage throwback." It sounds fun, really swooshy and great for clean stuff. And it's nice to be able to ape Van Halen once in a while. And it doesn't have that nasty clipping problem that the block logo ones are so well known for, which is a definite plus.

The Boss Flanger is for 80s solos and fat clean stuff. I use it occasionally on clean chimey stuff, or when playing Bark at the Moon or any Ratt/Dokken ever.

Finally, the Boss Delay. I am a delay slut, so having this is lovely. It sounds nice, no complaints.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/bucky_2300/P1011823.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 15 Feb 2008, 10:25
There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

COUGH
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/FenderSwinger_01.JPG/450px-FenderSwinger_01.JPG)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/SquierVenus.jpg)
COUGH

Seriously, wtf with the Musiclander/Swinger. Why destroy a perfectly good Musicmaster?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 10:29
I'd play a Swinger.

And the Venus was made by Squier.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 10:54
SEX


Dude, I want that amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bucky_2300 on 15 Feb 2008, 11:08
SEX


Dude, I want that amp.

Lurk Carvin's eBay store. The one I got is a blem - it had a couple of superficial scratches that had to be pointed out to me. But those scratches coupled with it being factory direct from Carvin meant that I got it for $635 CDN (on Buy It Now, no less!) and shipped out within a week for a grand total of just over $700.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 11:11
Shiat, that's cheap.

However, I'll settle for my Laney. It's still a damned good amp, though not very versatile.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2008, 11:24
There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

1. I disagree.
2. Looks ain't everything.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2008, 11:42
NM... me and a mate of mine traded guitars a while back and liked each others' guitars... turns out we both want to get rid of 'em!

It's got no wammy, but it's got 'buckers and will do the job. Clean tone's a bit shit, but that's no worry because this is mainly a backup guitar anyway - and I have my butchered Yammy for doing that kinda thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 15 Feb 2008, 12:40
Meh, I had to send a Carvin bass guitar back TWICE. It took them months to fix it. Right about that time the bass cabinet I bought crapped out. They tried to tell me I underpowered it. With an ampeg SVT4Pro? I don't think so. My PA is all Carvin cabs, power amp. But when this stuff breaks I'll save my money and buy another brand. I think the company has some great products but their quality and customer service has really fallen off.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bucky_2300 on 15 Feb 2008, 13:18
Yeah, I never have bothered with Carvin's service. I just have a tech that I take my stuff to when it needs work.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 15 Feb 2008, 13:34
In December 2005 I sent a money order to Carvin for an A/B footswitch (I didn't have a credit/check card then). Several months later, it finally makes its way to my house.

Is this just the nature of money orders, or were they completely fucking lax about this?

Back when Carvin used to sell effects, there was an enormous brouhaha about their shitty wah pedal. I'm sure the review's still on Harmony-Central.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 15 Feb 2008, 14:34
The question is - should I sell it? It has no practical use, only sentimental value; and if nothing else, it may teach me that I never want to sell one of my guitars again, but I know I'll barely use it.

I want to replace it with a Jaguar...

That's up to you, depends how much sentimental attachment you have to it. You know, a Jaguar won't be much use in a metal band either, unless you're just using it for the clean bits or it's one of those with humbuckers.

Except for:

1. I like a single coil distorted tone and have seen it used, heard it used, and used it myself successfully in the past, with different guitars. I have no problem with single coils being weaker than humbuckers - I have a problem with them being weaker than a mewing kitten.
2. They are used extensively by noise-rock bands and the likes of At The Drive-In, and have a wammy bar. These are things I can put to good use.
3. Single coil sounds cut.
4. I can use it for other things as well as this, whereas the Tele I currently can't use for ANYTHING.
5. I'm ruminating on a Jagstang, because they have a humbucker in the bridge (ironic that they don't come in fucking left handed! Not that I'm a lefty, but Kurt was...) and a single coil in the neck, which is a config I've always liked.

I think the decision has been made that I'll sell the Tele, it's basically about what I buy instead.

Well if you've thought about it, then you should definitely go for it, cause Jaguars are awesome :D What guitar did you get from your friend?

There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

COUGH
COUGH

Seriously, wtf with the Musiclander/Swinger. Why destroy a perfectly good Musicmaster?

I actually like the Venus a lot. The Swinger/Musiclander's body is a cut up unused Bass V body. The other parts are Musicmaster...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Feb 2008, 15:50
There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

Is there an unwritten law somewhere that we have to bring up the Gibson Moderne (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gibson+moderne&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi) every certain number of pages?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Feb 2008, 15:51
That isn't a fender though. Otherwise I think the wangcaster would win.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Feb 2008, 15:53
Oh shit I completely missed the Fender part..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Feb 2008, 17:40
I think the Gibson Corvus wins the Ugliest Guitar award.  That is, for non-custom guitars like the Wangcaster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 15 Feb 2008, 17:45
Guys I have to confess that I quite like the body shape of the Moderne, and I'm not entirely sure why it gets so much shit. There are a lot worse out there. The headstock is absolute ass though.

Someone a while back mentioned Eastwood guitars. How can anyone say the Moderne is ugly when there are things like this for sale?:

(http://www.performermag.com/images/eastwoodairline_000.jpg)

(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/hummingbird/images/gtr_Indigo-hummingbird.jpg)

(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/Bass/rocket/images/bass_blk-rocket.jpg)

(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/airline-3P/images/gtr_Sunb-airl3P-DLX.jpg)

They look like they were designed by a five-year-old who had once been told what a guitar looked like, but had never seen one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 15 Feb 2008, 17:49
Those guitars make me regret having eyes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Feb 2008, 17:54
The hummingbird looks like it is one of the ones that looks ugly until you get used to it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Feb 2008, 18:06
The Hummingbird is gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2008, 18:14
That Airline looks like the kinda guitar which is so ugly I want one, like that Burns strat-a-like.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 15 Feb 2008, 18:16
The hummingbird is disgusting.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 15 Feb 2008, 18:54
The hummingbird is better than the rest, but that is a terrible color and the wonky humbucker is ugly as hell.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 15 Feb 2008, 19:08
I think we can at least all agree that the Rocket is the worst one there.

It needs to return to bass hell from whence it came.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 15 Feb 2008, 19:10
I have no problem with the hummingbird. The color wouldn't be my first choice but I've seen a helluva lot worse.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Feb 2008, 21:40
Oh shit.  I thought we were talking about the Gibson Hummingbird.

(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p312/JERMDADDY/gibson%20acoustics/gibsonhbirdcustomcocob001.jpg)

Pretty!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 15 Feb 2008, 22:21
We are, that guitar is hideous. It's not even worthy be contained in the same thread as that beautiful Airline.

 :-D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 15 Feb 2008, 23:07
my jaguar owns all... it will make you cry tears of joy due to its pure beuaty and it's giant balls that some call tone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Feb 2008, 23:40
Someone a while back mentioned Eastwood guitars. How can anyone say the Moderne is ugly when there are things like this for sale?

(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2812/huegfailoe3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 16 Feb 2008, 00:44
Got an EH 2880 Wednesday.  Very fun little time machine, though I think it startled the rest of my band.

Saw an SG I want today, but I think it's more nostalgia and the fact that it'd play decently flipped over than being anything special...  Maybe when I have a few extra hundred bucks. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Feb 2008, 06:54
It's not Eastwood's fault. They're just making vintage reproductions. There was some strange looking shit back in the day.

Of course, they make some stunningly nice guitars, too. I <33 Eastwood.

(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/classic6/images/gtr_Wh-classic6.jpg)
(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/stormbird/images/gtr_Red-stormbird.jpg)
(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/twinTone/images/gtr_BigsbWh-TT.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 16 Feb 2008, 07:39
That Eastwood Hummingbird is actually a Mosrite copy.  Mosrite guitars could be pretty weird looking but they play amazingly well and sound gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Feb 2008, 08:14
Wow, so that's what an 80 year old guitar looks like.

Nice!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Feb 2008, 08:19
i said once that I would post my stuff here, and I was reminded recently in another thread, so here they are:

1917 gibson acoustic:


1976 fender strat:


I also have a microkorg synth, 80's casio keyboard, viola, standard acoustic guitar, and piano.

I envy you...so much...right now...SO MUCH.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 16 Feb 2008, 15:39
Actually the airline deluxe will probably be my next guitar. I have a friend that's a lefty and he has a half dozen Eastwoods. All of them are very well built and extremely playable. Yes, the do look out of the ordinary. If that bugs you get the same 3 or 4 acceptable guitars that look like what everyone else plays.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 16 Feb 2008, 15:45
I sure would love a Classic Six. I could trade in my Fender Lead II, but I love it too much.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 16 Feb 2008, 18:28
Soooo.. Ben792x, where do you live and during what time periods is there nobody at home?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 18 Feb 2008, 14:53
If you can provide pictures of the guitars you can provide pictures of the bear.

So we can find its weak spot.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 18 Feb 2008, 15:19
So, I think it's about time for a sample of what my awesome Koa Strat sounds like (like on the first post) because it is a freaking beautiful instrument

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_0212.jpg)

Heres me playing a simple Beatles-like Riff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kujM7yFxzo8

Neck Pickup and played through my Peavy Back Stage Plus.  Size .11 strings, and I put in a third Trem spring (though I think I might actually get one of those Tremel-No things, I hardly ever use the Trem as it is).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 18 Feb 2008, 20:25
I saw a pretty gorgeous guitar on Saturday.

It was a black Tele thinline with a Bigsby.  It may or may not have had a humbucker in it, I can't remember.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 18 Feb 2008, 20:34
the most awsome guitar ever.

http://www.guitarsandeffects.com/guitarimages2006/fender_jaguar_baritone_2/jaguar_bass_VI_baritone_002.jpg

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 18 Feb 2008, 20:38
Ah yes, the Bass VI. A jack of all trades, a master of none.

I want one just to fuck around with. They cost about three frickin kidneys though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 18 Feb 2008, 20:40
Just pointing out:
 

VanHorneDog got the 1337 post...
Re: The Guitar Topic
« Reply #1337 on: Today at 11:34:25 PM »
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 18 Feb 2008, 21:02
Ah yes, the Bass VI. A jack of all trades, a master of none.

I want one just to fuck around with. They cost about three frickin kidneys though.

actually its the recent one they put out. called first a Jaguar Baritone Custom, then the Jaguar Bass VI (or something), now its discontinued and they made a Jaguar/Jazz Bass thing that is now the new Bass VI

of course there is also the Jaguar HH Special Baritone

they all have different scale lenghts too

27"
28.5"
30.5"

i mean... fender come on! anyway i have the one in the picture. amazing little piece of hardware. pretty little bastard too.


and whats with the 1337 post or something?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 18 Feb 2008, 21:24
It's such a pity the 1337 post was wasted on a bass.

j/k.

Anyway, what do people think about modeling guitars? Seems it's going to be the next big thing, what with the HD Les Paul and the VG Strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 18 Feb 2008, 21:51
actually its the recent one they put out. called first a Jaguar Baritone Custom, then the Jaguar Bass VI (or something), now its discontinued and they made a Jaguar/Jazz Bass thing that is now the new Bass VI

That's not actually anything like a Bass VI. The Jaguar Bass is just a Jazz Bass with a switchable active EQ, no separate volume controls for each pickup and a Jaguar body style. It's also a 34" scale 4 string bass.

Fender's only Bass VI model out right now is the Custom Shop Bass VI. The Jaguar Baritones are long Jags with no trems.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 18 Feb 2008, 22:20
actually its the recent one they put out. called first a Jaguar Baritone Custom, then the Jaguar Bass VI (or something), now its discontinued and they made a Jaguar/Jazz Bass thing that is now the new Bass VI

That's not actually anything like a Bass VI. The Jaguar Bass is just a Jazz Bass with a switchable active EQ, no separate volume controls for each pickup and a Jaguar body style. It's also a 34" scale 4 string bass.

Fender's only Bass VI model out right now is the Custom Shop Bass VI. The Jaguar Baritones are long Jags with no trems.


http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Custom-Shop-Bass-VI-N.O.S-?sku=517904

its this weird thing and a 30.3 inch scale. my bad. anyway, they replaced the Jaguar Baritone (that they started calling a bass VI even though it wasnt really a bass VI) with this, probably to make more money or something.

anyway the origional concept for the Jaguar was to be like a bass VI if i can remember.

and Jaguars are sexy FTW.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 19 Feb 2008, 02:24
Anyway, what do people think about modeling guitars? Seems it's going to be the next big thing, what with the HD Les Paul and the VG Strat.

I could write a great big essay about this, but the tl;dr of it is FUCK THAT SHIT.

Seriously, I've played several modeling guitars, and modeling stuff is a cool toy, for sure, but it boils down to being just plain gimmicky and stupid. Stop sucking, get a job, and buy a real guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 19 Feb 2008, 07:43
Verily. As cool as it is that the VG Strat can sound like a Telecaster, you're not actually playing a fucking telecaster are you.

Unless these guitars are made from some kind of amorphous wood that will flex itself to the preferred body, but even then that's still kinda lame.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Feb 2008, 09:38
I saw a pretty gorgeous guitar on Saturday.

It was a black Tele thinline with a Bigsby.  It may or may not have had a humbucker in it, I can't remember.

Probably did if it was a Thinline.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 19 Feb 2008, 12:28
I got a free MIM strat body Saturday, with 3 Duncans in it.  Now, to make a neck out of that extra piece of mahogany I have laying around
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 19 Feb 2008, 23:57
my friend got the strat and he let me play it and there is a serious design flaw: the strings themselves are not retuned, (you can change the tunings in addition to the type of guitar) and so lets say you flip the switch to open g tuning, because the change is DSP only, you still hear the standard tuning from the strings vibrating,

You mean even in the output signal, when the magnetic pickups are turned off? That sucks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Feb 2008, 12:45
WOOOO PAGEBREAK!!

Okay, since this thread has been kind of idle for a few days, I'll try and kick it up again with a little rundown of my gear.

Let's start off with favourite six-string; My Gibson Les Paul.

It's a standard, from around 05-ish. Therefore it is not one of the new, chambered LP's, and therefore also pretty darned heavy, even though it's fairly light.
It's been retrofitted with Seymour Duncan Alnico II pickups, and is strung up with a custom-gauged 11-52 set. It is permanently tuned to Eb. It plays and sounds absolutely to-die-for.

Her name is Peggy Sue.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0062.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0063.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0064.jpg)

Up next is something KimJongSick will be familiar with.
A Gibson SG Special, in the Worn Cherry finish. You can get these things for dirt cheap pretty much everywhere, and they are absolutely fantastic. Mine gets just as much playing time as my expensive-ass Les Paul. I would also like to point out, that it DOES NOT NECKDIVE. I would even go so far to call it perfectly balanced.
It is strung up with a set of 11-54 Ernie Ball string, and tuned to Drop Db.

Her name is Daisy Mae.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0065.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0066.jpg)
Mmmmm, buckle-rash.

Up next is another total gem.
It is an X-Tone PS-2, from around 05-06-ish. I got it through a blowout sale a store in my country had, of some discontinued ESP models. That sale had some sick-ass offers, including the sweet-as-hell Dave Mustaine signature Flying V's for less than half the price, while still brand spankin' factory new!!
It was the same deal with this one. I paid the same price for it, as I would have paid for a Squier or something else ass-tastic.
Instead, I got a REALLY nice Semi-hollow, with a great tone and nigh-on perfect playability. I really couldn't be happier with this, actually.

I went to the aforementioned store, the day after I had witnessed godlike prog-twiddlers Porcupine Tree lay down one of the most awe-inspiring displays of musicianship and art I have ever witnessed. So naturally, I was in a pretty good mood! I had crashed at a good friend's place, and even gotten a good night's sleep, plus a shower.
After this, I figured I might as well go pick up some strings, since the store in my home town doesn't carry Ernie Ball.
When I get there, there's a bit of a line, so I decide to look around a little.

Naturally, I gravtitate towards where they have the ESP/LTD's and Ibanez axes, being the metal-head that I am. I ask one of the clerks if I can try out some guitars over the line 6 POD XT they have set up, and I'm given the green light.
I try out an Ibanez RG321MH, which I really, really liked, but ultimately decided against buying. Glad I did, that day.

Amidst the ESP's, I spot this one. Mainly because it looks cool, but also because it looked TOTALLY out of place next to all manner of pointy, black, EMG-equipped monstrosities.
In the middle of all these guitars that would make you believe they come with a set of spiked leather bracelets and a DIY Tattoo'n'Piercing Kit, I see something that would go hella well together with a sharp tuxedo and hair parted neatly to the side.

Then I think, "Oh what the hell", and try it out just for shits'n'giggles. Surprisingly, the neck feels absolutely perfect. Just the right dimension for my hands and playing style. So far, so good.
I plug it in to the POD, mainly to check the tuning. Surprisingly, it was tuned to Eb, the tuning I use for my band. Surely, a sign from the heavens?!
I jam around on it, and I'm really diggin' the sound, so I ask if I can try it out over some tubey goodness.

I get plugged in to an ENGL Screamer combo, and THIS is where the magic really happens! The amp is set to a low-gain dirty sound, ie. an absolutely rockin' blues tone from the get-go.
All of a sudden, it just clicks and I start to throw out southern RAWK licks and riffs like there's no tomorrow. After a good half hour of pentatonic wanking and an ever-widening grin, I paid the money and took her home, feeling like I'd just hit the jackpot big time.
A good six months of playing it later, I am still convinced that I did. This is very much a story of love at first sight, so this guitar is not going anywhere.
It is strung up with a 10-52 set, and set in Standard E tuning.

Her name is Brandine, named after the redheaded she-yokel of the Simpsons.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0067.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0068.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0069.jpg)
Remember this name, kids. If you see one, buy it! Most underrated guitar brand ever, IMO.

Up next, is a guitar that has been in my hands the most recently. Since my band is pretty much completely dissolved, I have turned my attention towards getting a Grindcore/Death Metal band up and running. Naturally, my old 7-string had to come out for this occasion.
It is a heavily modif.... Ehh, Bastardised and Fucked UP Ibanez S7420.

The trem has been blocked, the finish stripped and the neck pickup and switch have been removed. The Bridge pickup has been replaced by a DiMarzio X2N-7, which wired directly to the volume pot, effectively making this the 7-stringed Mr. Hyde-on-steroids version of a Fender Esquire ;)
It's not that versatile, as you may have guessed, but what it does, it does REALLY well. It also has one of the nicest necks I've ever played.

It is strung up with a 10-52 set, with .65 bass string added as the low B.

It's name is "Ungeheuer".

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0071.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0072.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0073.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0074.jpg)


Up next is a kind of prodigal son. It's an Ibanez RG1570 that I bought from a friend. It's really nice, but I never use it, so I'm afraid I'll have to let it go.
It doesn't have a name.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0045.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0046.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0049.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0050.jpg)

And now, the basses! I have two, and only one of them has a head.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0075.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0076.jpg)

This is my practice amp for home, an Ibanez Valbee. A shame they don't make them anymore.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0078.jpg)

And my POD.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0079.jpg)

Yay.

In my now-defunct band's jam room, I also have a Laney GH50L head, with an ENGL 4*12 cab. That amp rocks hard. So hard it doesn't need it's picture taken.




Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Feb 2008, 15:32
Dude can we hang out sometime
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Feb 2008, 16:30
Yeah, I'll pwn you though. Totally.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Feb 2008, 17:13
Idunno about that, man. I really do not know. I have been able to get sounds out of my two electrics that a lot of people have only dreamed about.

When I move to Alaska this summer I am going to invest in some high-quality recording gear. I -need- to have a good mic so everything I record doesn't sound like bags of ass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Feb 2008, 21:09
Are there any downsides to a seven string guitar? I doubt I will buy one any time soon, but I am wondering why not.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 21 Feb 2008, 21:35
Half the people on the forum will ridicule you for it.

Well, in real downsides, there's not as many to choose from - therefore it's a lot harder to get the tone you want, and finding a good one can be very difficult.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Feb 2008, 22:26
Half the people on the forum would ridicule me for anything other than a tele or jazzmaster. I can accept that.

Am I alone in thinking that the les paul would look so much better without the cream trim?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 21 Feb 2008, 22:42
Am I alone in thinking that the les paul would look so much better without the cream trim?

Les Paul Studio
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 22 Feb 2008, 00:17
Plus the studio is hella cheaper... did i just say hella??? fuck me and my SoCalness....



anywho...

i should post my babies... but they arent much. No money makes you creative though, who needs tone when you can play right? (i do cuz i cant play!)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 22 Feb 2008, 01:05
Yeah, they are cheaper, but for someone my age, they are still in the "I could get my first car for that much" range.

It is a good thing i don't have a credit card, though, or I would never be able to go in the local guitar store. Just one good guitar... then I won't end up lusting over the dozens of other better guitars I want, I promise...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 22 Feb 2008, 01:07
Trust me, that won't stop you. Lummer (the bastard!) is proof of that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 22 Feb 2008, 01:20
Yeah, I know that isn't going to happen.

I should probably also look into getting a better amp after I get a new guitar, I got this one in the package with my Behringer cheapo-guitar. It is more than loud enough for me (I really don't have the ears to be a musician, not without ear protection at least), and it is a tube, but I doubt there is very much in the way of quality from it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ketzer on 22 Feb 2008, 02:35
Well, just joined the forums solely because of this topic. how's that?


Here are my weapons.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ZerglingRush31/Guitars/full.jpg)

My Jackson KVX10, a 2007.

Heavily modified, all the hardware, including the tremolo unit, came off a '99 Ibanez RG570 that was damaged beyond repair. The pickups are EMG 81 and 85, and the trem arm is a lefty, for extra-accesibility. Love this thing, but trying to sell it on account of...

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ZerglingRush31/Guitars/P2220898.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ZerglingRush31/Guitars/P2220895.jpg)

My new baby, a 2000 Ibanez RG7420. A long time ago, I played a Schecter Omen 7, and while I loved the low B, I hated the neck and realized that I really needed a floating trem. so here we are, 3 years later, and I finally get my hands on a seven-string that I find playable. Let the good times roll.


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ZerglingRush31/Guitars/P6200439.jpg)

Before I played any guitar at all, this was my primary tool of destruction, a 2004 Ibanez SRX505, probably the nicest bass I've ever played.



What can I say, I'm a sucker for the Low B.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Feb 2008, 03:55
Man how does that V even stay on the stand.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 22 Feb 2008, 04:28
Half the people on the forum will ridicule you for it.

Well, in real downsides, there's not as many to choose from - therefore it's a lot harder to get the tone you want, and finding a good one can be very difficult.

Yeah, that's basically all there is to it. The guitar options aren't THAT bad though. It's easy to find a lot of Ibanez's really kickass '98-05-ish models for cheap on eBay, and Schecter also have a wide selection, so it's not as bad as it used to be, ie. right after the 7-string trend fizzled out.

Oh, and Ketzer, you have very good taste, young man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 22 Feb 2008, 05:17
Yeah, they are cheaper, but for someone my age, they are still in the "I could get my first car for that much" range.

Man, what do you think public transportation is for?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 22 Feb 2008, 07:26
Man, I feel like I'm going to get ridiculed for this (you know cause I'm probably the ONLY Strat person here and all), but I figure I'll post the guitars resideing in my house just for kicks.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/Guitars/Start_ovation.jpg)
These here are my babies.  On the left is an Ovation celebrity model that's since been discontinued.  Probably not the best sounding acoustic out there, but it's pretty good and it's basically indestructible, so I can take it places and busker the shit out of things if need be.  Also, it was a present from my guitar nut aunts for my birthday, so, I'm in no way complaining!

On the right is my Koa Strat.  It's on the front page of this topic, and it is awesome.  The sound is great.  It's a really bluesy sounding guitar, but when put through my Ibanez DS10 Distortion Charger, it's really got a great crunch to it.  Basically, It's an awesome guitar, and Fender stopped making them, so it may be worth something 20 or 30 years down the road, who knows?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/Guitars/squire_harmony.jpg)
These are my dad's.  On the left is his first guitar, and old Harmony Rocket.  Despite the fact that old guitars are awesome, this one is not.  The neck is warpy, the pickups are flat and toneless, and even though it has new locking tuning heads, it's never in tune.  I imagine it had a good sound once, but not so much now.  Mostly here for sentimental value.

On the right, is My Dad's old 1980's Squire strat.  Even though it's a squire, it was an earley model so it's construction is actually REALLY sturdy and well made.  It's almost heavier than my Fender strat actually.  It used to be white, but the color faded into that awesome cream color which looks great in my opinion.  He put new pickups in it a while ago (probably in the 90's), some Fender Texas Specials (which cost more than the guitar did at the time, lol) and they are quite hot.  This guitar screams!  It has a amazing sound.  I may be a little biased to my own guitar, but it's sound is pretty much the greatest thing ever.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/Guitars/1980Squire.jpg)
There's a closeup

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/Guitars/takamine.jpg)
And here's my Dad's Takamine Acoustic.  It was a gift from someone, I can't remember who, but this guitar is honestly one of the best sounding acoustics I've heard.  Really deep and full sound.  It has a nick in the body though which is kind of bogus.

Also, it's worth mentioning that when my Grandad died, we got his old guitar.  A 1940's Gibson Acoustic Electric (or something like that).  My dad sent it out to Gibson for restoration (beause it was beat to shit), and we'll probably get it back NEXT year, but still, the anticipation has me excited just to look at it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 22 Feb 2008, 08:27
Well, just joined the forums solely because of this topic. how's that?


Here are my weapons.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ZerglingRush31/Guitars/full.jpg)



I used to have that same amp/cab.
Sounded pretty good for ss.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 22 Feb 2008, 11:55
Yeah, they are cheaper, but for someone my age, they are still in the "I could get my first car for that much" range.

Man, what do you think public transportation is for?
People that aren't paranoid about being transported by someone that they don't personally know. Seriously, I hate buses and planes.

I will probably just hope for a hand-me-down truck from my dad.

Pat, why wouldn't it stay on the stand? I would say even the neck being held is enough, it works for my strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 22 Feb 2008, 11:59
Strats and Vs are quite differently shaped, dude.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ketzer on 22 Feb 2008, 12:38
On the V stand, the front 2 legs have a layer of padding on them that the wings rest on, and it actually fits quite snugly.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 22 Feb 2008, 12:43
The heads are similar enough, and as he said, the v rests on the lower bits (are they called legs? I don't know the terminology). Even without those legs, though, it would hold onto it by the head.

Course, I don't technically have a strat, it is a "vintager", which just happens to be identical to a strat except for the body being squatter, the head being a different shape (think wider tele) and strats not tending to be POSs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ketzer on 22 Feb 2008, 15:44
Lummer, how doe the X2N-7 sound in the S body? I know the S bodies are mahogany, and the RGs are Basswood, but the Stock (I assume that's what they are) pickups in the 7420 are muddy as all hell once you crank the gain, and I'm frankly getting sick of it.

I've been considering the X2N-7, the Evolution 7, and the new Duncan Blackout 7, because that's an active 7-string Pup that doesn't require more routing of the body.


Any input is welcomed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Feb 2008, 16:16
I'm kind of biased towards single-coil pickups, because just about every guitar I have played that had humbuckers in them sounded like ass.  They were all too muddy, except for this Schecter S-1, which was outfitted with some Seymour Duncans.  That was a gorgeous guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Feb 2008, 17:32
(you know cause I'm probably the ONLY Strat person here and all)

YOU APPEAR TO BE FORGETTING SOMEBODY, GOOD SIR

Seriously, depending how much I get back for tax returns (probably not lots), I will get either a Danelectro or a MIM Strat, which I will equip with an extra 2 trem springs (end count being 5 springs, yee), a graphite nut, and locking tuners.

I really have no idea why some people in this world are so uppity about Strats. They're excellent little pieces and I would very much like to have one of my own. Seriously, if it's good enough for Buddy Holly, Buddy Guy, and Jimi Motherfucking Hendrix -without- those mods, there are no excuses left for anybody.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Feb 2008, 18:40
Yeah, I would love a genuine Strat.  Unlike this Squire rig I'm rocking right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: turtlspinr on 23 Feb 2008, 01:12
I have a question that pertains to guitars, kind of....

Has anyone heard of Rivera Amps, specifically the K312 Sub? My guitarist picked up a used one a few months back, and we're now having issues with it. If anyone is familiar with them and would be willing to give some advice, I'd really appreciate it.

And yes, we've tried the Rivera website and found nothing, and google-ing for a manual gets us nowhere.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 23 Feb 2008, 07:44
The K312 could be considered the last of the "Los Lobottom" cabs they made.
Literally a powered sub for guitar.
I'm not familiar with the K312 it self but I remember the SUB1/SUB2 Lobottom cabs got their signal from the send jack of the FX loop.
What is going wrong with it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 23 Feb 2008, 07:54
Lummer, how doe the X2N-7 sound in the S body? I know the S bodies are mahogany, and the RGs are Basswood, but the Stock (I assume that's what they are) pickups in the 7420 are muddy as all hell once you crank the gain, and I'm frankly getting sick of it.

I've been considering the X2N-7, the Evolution 7, and the new Duncan Blackout 7, because that's an active 7-string Pup that doesn't require more routing of the body.


Any input is welcomed.

That depends on which sound you want. The X2N-7 is a very bright and agressive-sounding pickup. I for one love it, since my sound is all about the midrange and bright chuggy goodness.
I suspect it would sound maybe a little too bright in a Basswood-bodied guitar.

The Evo 7, is not a pickup I am all that familiar with, so I can't tell you much about it.

Personally, I'd go for a set of Blaze Customs.

Blackjacks do sound quite awesome as well, though. But then again, that is only judging from clips.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 23 Feb 2008, 20:16
Alright, I'm jumping in. Behold!
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00002.jpg)
Far right is a Tokai strat, my first electric. I had to replace the fretboard, and didn't feel like adding fret markers. It does have side dots, of course. And I got to bump it up from 21 frets to 22! It's got some Lindy Fralins in it, but I need to replace the cheap-ass tuners, as the B goes flat when I bend it.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00005.jpg)
The first one I made at guitar school (http://www.luthiers-international.com/). Worked out ok, but the bridge pickup is insanely bright, as I put it too close to the bridge. Cheap StewMac Golden Age pickups.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00004.jpg)
G&L ASAT Deluxe Semi-hollow. So very nice. Seymours that I still haven't gotten around to replacing, coil tap, light but well-balanced, sounds great, comfy, and really facilitates my raggin' on Fender.
Next to it is a PRS SE soapbar, that I won when I worked at PRS. They give away two every month in a drawing for the people who weren't late. They used to give away one real PRS; that would've been nice...But still, free guitar! I happened to have never gotten around to making a PRS-style soapbar, so I switched out all the hardware with stuff that isn't Korean crap, and Fralin P-90s. Not a bad guitar at all; the neck's a baseball bat, but decent quality.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00006.jpg)
The other guitar I made at school. Not perfect, but one of the most important things they taught me was not to point out your mistakes.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00008.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00009.jpg)
And lastly, the amp powerful enough to handle all that:
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/lilsmokey.jpg)
I wish I'd gotten one of the old ones that were inside a cigarette pack; I think they got sued and had to stop. I've got a little Marshall valvestate and a little Crate tweedy tubey amp, too. They make noise and stuff, but nothing to write home about.
Oh, and the dearly departed: a Fender acoustic with a strat headstock I just couldn't stand, a G&L Legacy that I traded in on the ASAT, and an Epiphone Casino that someone modded like a Dot 335 that I had to sell when we moved 'cause it wouldn't fit in the car. Considering we made it to the destination of the move with about $7, it was probably for the best.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 23 Feb 2008, 21:20
Out of curiousity, does anyone know what kind of electric Don Anderson (Agalloch) plays? I have seen pictures, but I can't place it. Pictures are at www.agalloch.org under photos, I can't link the photo page directly. He is the short-haired one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 23 Feb 2008, 21:28
I can't tell you what kind, but I am damn sure that headstock says schecter.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 23 Feb 2008, 21:54
Thanks, I couldn't make it out past the strings. I can probably track it down from there. Not likely to get one of those in the forseeable future, but I love the tones he gets out of it. Though I suppose that also comes from the effects quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ketzer on 23 Feb 2008, 23:25
looks to me like one of the old Omen 7s/C-7s


Schecter necks, as I noted earlier, are rather large, especially on the seven-string models.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Feb 2008, 04:27
I don't find Schecter's 7-string necks to be as big some people say they are, honestly.

They are fatter than Ibanez, but only slightly, IMO.
Still enough to make them too big for my bitch-like little hands though, but that's another story.

That said, the overall quality of Schecter has impressed the fuck out of me!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 25 Feb 2008, 04:53
RipTaterman, that acoustic is -gorgeous-, I don't see any flaws. Only thing I'd do different is give her some inlays.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 25 Feb 2008, 07:23
Alright, I'm jumping in. Behold!
(http://~)
Far right is a Tokai strat, my first electric. I had to replace the fretboard, and didn't feel like adding fret markers. It does have side dots, of course. And I got to bump it up from 21 frets to 22! It's got some Lindy Fralins in it, but I need to replace the cheap-ass tuners, as the B goes flat when I bend it.
(http://~)
I heartily recommend the Sperzels. I just dealt with them directly on a customer service issue and they are wonderful people with a great product.
Plus a set of 6-in-line will only run you about $75 or less.

In other news, or new drummer left his Rickenbacker 620 for me to mess around with.
Yeehaw!
-Eric
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 25 Feb 2008, 08:30
Isn't that thing just a random noise generator?

Also I call shenanigans on Zinky getting sued and stopping production of the Smokey Amps.

They're totally still around and sold at my work.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 25 Feb 2008, 08:39
What exactly is playable on it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 25 Feb 2008, 21:54
KJS: Thanks! If you could get your hands on it you'd see some imperfections (I believe the back is supposed to be convex  :oops:), but all in all I'm pretty happy. I didn't even know there was such a thing as flame mahogany until I got those sides, but man, it looks cool.

Doombilly: I loves me some Sperzels. The ASAT and the orange one have them. The Tokai has vintage style tuners, though, so I've been considering these (http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guitar,_solid_peghead_tuners/Gotoh_Locking_Vintage_Oval_Knob_Tuners.html), when I have dollars, since the holes'd match. I don't know if they're any good, though.

Ballard: I didn't mean to imply that they were weren't making them, only that they weren't putting them in cigarette packs anymore. But if they still are, I guess you get to whale on me with a broom.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 26 Feb 2008, 01:07
They do still put them in cigarette packs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 26 Feb 2008, 02:16
Sam: FUCK YES
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Valekraft on 26 Feb 2008, 03:31
I am not a guitarist... Though I do have a badass Guitar.
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/valekraft/Lucille.jpg)
Autographed by BB and was one of the ones he used on his 2003 tour..

But like I said I am a bassist so I guess I should show off what I actually play
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/valekraft/MY_BASS.jpg)
My Schecter SB-1   It has a paint flaw so the original buyer didn't want it... Lucky me.

For some reason my brain wrote Custom Shop before because it was 5am and I had been up for over 24 hours. Anyway it is a korean made but I still love the way it plays.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Feb 2008, 07:40
Custom Shop..Diamond Series? Something's yelling "DOES NOT COMPUTE" at me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 26 Feb 2008, 10:37
How the fuck did you get that guitar, dogg?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Valekraft on 26 Feb 2008, 12:05
Custom Shop..Diamond Series? Something's yelling "DOES NOT COMPUTE" at me.

Im not really sure why I said Custom shop...... That was a goof up.. It's a Korean made. Was special ordered to Lanier Music in Mandeville, La. (no longer a schecter liscenced store) but yeah anyway.. I got it cheap because of a paint flaw as you can see in the pic. 

Here is another Pic of me playing with my band Pac-man Turner Overdrive.
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/valekraft/l_c1f9932c6d2c704acd79a9faaa18ff57.jpg)


How the fuck did you get that guitar, dogg?

I do volunteer work with WWOZ New Orleans. It is the only Jazz and Blues Radio station in the city. My father is a DJ there and we got to meet him a few times. He is a really nice guy, glad I have this guitar now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Feb 2008, 11:23
(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/stormbird/images/gtr_Wh-stormbird.jpg)

I hate you so hard, Mike Robinson. I must have that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Feb 2008, 13:23
HUGUBL;UGHULBHLUGHLBUHULIU;HGLBUHHGLUBHLUGHBULHLUHGLBUHULBHLGUHBLUHHGULBHLU;;HLHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 13:40
o.o
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 27 Feb 2008, 16:35
Why not just get a Jazzmaster?

Why not just get a J. Mascis Signature Jazzmaster?

PURPLE FUCKING SPARKLE BITCHES
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 17:12
Because a '62 Reissue will cost you your soul.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Feb 2008, 17:43
I wasn't using it anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 27 Feb 2008, 18:14
Holy crap I didn't realize Eastwoods were so cheap!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 18:23
(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/P-90Special/images/gtr_Red-P90sp.jpg)

Huhhblhluuuuh....Only $399.99...That's like, four hundred dollars cheaper than the Gibson model it's based off of (the guitar I want).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Feb 2008, 19:28
The les paul DC? Or something else?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 27 Feb 2008, 20:12
Its the Les Paul DC copy.  I really like that one too.

I also love the MOSRITE baritone copy with tremolo.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 20:19
I really wish I could play one of those things.  I have to get Daddy's Junkie Music to order a Gibson Les Paul Faded DC, if there's a used one for sale on their site.

Ugh.  Stupid Vermont.  Nobody carries Gibson guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 27 Feb 2008, 20:31
Jeph that Eclipse in the pics you posted on your blog is fucking sexual.

For those who missed it, Here 'tis (http://qcjeph.livejournal.com/92457.html#cutid1)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 27 Feb 2008, 20:45
http://www.jacksonguitars.com/products/search.php?partno=2910505585

wankwankwankwankwankwank
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 20:46
That black guitar with what looks like EMG pickups?  It looks nice, but the brand is called Eclipse?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 27 Feb 2008, 20:48
It's an ESP Eclipse (http://www.espguitars.com/guitars_eclipse.html)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 20:49
Ohhh.  My bad.  It was kind of hard to read the headstock.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 27 Feb 2008, 20:52
Eclipses are damn sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 28 Feb 2008, 11:29
Re: Eastwoods.
I have a lefty friend that has several. He's had no bad luck with any of them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Feb 2008, 13:55
http://www.jacksonguitars.com/products/search.php?partno=2910505585

wankwankwankwankwankwank

That's about as sexy as Anna Nicole's postmortem photos.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 28 Feb 2008, 14:05
I might be getting a sweet-ass Greco Les Paul Custom tomorrow.

You have been warned.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Feb 2008, 16:53
@Spluff:
Yes. Yes they are. The EC-series from ESP are sexy too, I am most recently lusting over the stained black cherry EC-500. Kinda odd that you need to add a battery for the pickups though, didn't know some needed that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 28 Feb 2008, 19:13
Hey, why hasn't this thread been stickied yet?  It seems like it should be, it sure is popular enough.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 28 Feb 2008, 19:23
You just want to see your name at the top all the time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 28 Feb 2008, 20:48
@Spluff:
Yes. Yes they are. The EC-series from ESP are sexy too, I am most recently lusting over the stained black cherry EC-500. Kinda odd that you need to add a battery for the pickups though, didn't know some needed that.

They're active pickups - it's kinda like having a miniature pre-amp in the pickups, because the standard output is too low, which is what you need the batteries for.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Feb 2008, 23:36
Huh. I understood a few words of that. Are they rare batteries, or just a 9volt or something?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 28 Feb 2008, 23:43
You just pop a 9 volt into the necessary compartment. Mine is round the back of the guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Feb 2008, 01:48
Poppin' a 9 in a guitar?

(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3636/tupacamarushakuryo6.jpg)

Not impressed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 29 Feb 2008, 01:50
I wouldn't want to risk fucking up the circuitry, otherwise, bullet holes in a guitar could look pretty badass. Just pick one that is already in bad shape.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 29 Feb 2008, 05:07
http://www.jacksonguitars.com/products/search.php?partno=2910505585

wankwankwankwankwankwank

That's about as sexy as Anna Nicole's postmortem photos.

It looks like they stopped short. Like they wanted to do something else with the body but didn't. WAY TO HALF-ASS IT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 29 Feb 2008, 18:19
(http://www.animedistrict.com/anime/beck/vol2boxartl.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 29 Feb 2008, 18:26
Now that is exactly the kind of guitar that it shouldn't be done to. Les pauls are too beautiful. Something that looks like Pat's squier, I could see. Especially fitting since that kind is called a bullet, right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 29 Feb 2008, 18:29
I've played a few guitars that I would love to put a few bullets in. They had about as much tone as a cat in labor.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 29 Feb 2008, 18:32
Guitars + Bullets = No(Really Fucking Bad Idea) - Intelligence

It's a pretty simple equation people.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 29 Feb 2008, 18:33
I've played a few guitars that I would love to put a few bullets in. They had about as much tone as a cat in labor.
Did they have actives? I think the battery compartment ought to hold an M150 well enough.

edit: Oh, and I was wondering: Are the double tone and volume knobs found on a Les Paul/SG really very useful compared to a single volume and tone or a single volume and two tone?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 01 Mar 2008, 00:34
Well, for one thing, with two volumes you can turn off a pickup and get a staccato on-off Jonny Greenwood-style thing with the pickup switch (although he has a separate switch to interrupt the signal, of course). And it can be nice to switch quickly from a warm low-tone neck sound to a bright bridge, or vice versa, without knob-twiddlin'. These are my rambling thoughts.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Mar 2008, 01:49
Oh, and I was wondering: Are the double tone and volume knobs found on a Les Paul/SG really very useful compared to a single volume and tone or a single volume and two tone?

God yes. Thing is, with the two volume knobs, you can get any blend of the two pickups that you could ever want. There are very few things sweeter to my ears than the sound of both my SG's pickups with the neck pickup rolled off just a tiny little bit.

tl;dr pickup blending is for lol and win.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 01 Mar 2008, 03:33
Jeph that Eclipse in the pics you posted on your blog is fucking sexual.

For those who missed it, Here 'tis (http://qcjeph.livejournal.com/92457.html#cutid1)

Thanks! I like it a LOT. ESP guitars are so good. Everything I like about 90s-era Jacksons (great build quality, excellent pickups, reasonable prices).*

Maybe today I'll take pictures of the rest of my stuff. FOR GLOATING

*GEE THANKS FENDER FOR BUYING JACKSON AND IMMEDIATELY RAISING THEIR PRICES $500 AND ALSO DRIVING THE VALUE OF USED PRE-FENDER JACKSONS WAY WAY WAY UP YOU CUNTS
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 01 Mar 2008, 03:53
I've played a few guitars that I would love to put a few bullets in. They had about as much tone as a cat in labor.
Did they have actives? I think the battery compartment ought to hold an M150 well enough.

edit: Oh, and I was wondering: Are the double tone and volume knobs found on a Les Paul/SG really very useful compared to a single volume and tone or a single volume and two tone?

YES. You can have one pickup completely off, you can have both on and dial in a kind of dual sound, you have millions more options. You can do that pickup switching/tapping thing that Tom Morello does by having one pickup totally off. Having two volume knobs unleashes a whole new realm of possibilities.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Mar 2008, 06:20
Now that is exactly the kind of guitar that it shouldn't be done to. Les pauls are too beautiful. Something that looks like Pat's squier, I could see. Especially fitting since that kind is called a bullet, right?

You think his is bad? Should see mine. I had a girlfriend that out of anger one day decided to start smashing the guitar off a pole. There's flakes of wood missing everywhere. I've covered the body in duct-tape, and in a few weeks, I'm going to get a new bridge/pickguard/humbucker/output from Guitar Fetish and get it back rocking.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 01 Mar 2008, 09:56
MAI OTHER BABIEZ

LET ME SHOW U THEMS

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/std24.jpg[/img]
This is my other main guitar right now, a PRS Standard 24 Anniversary edition. It's all-mahogany with a rosewood fretboard, and has the Standard neck carve (which is like a slightly narrower, slightly faster version of PRS' wide-fat carve). The all-mahogany body and passive pickups make it darker sounding than my other guitars, but it's great for multitracking, and the bridge pickup has probably the best solo tone of any instrument I've ever owned (with one possible exception below). Also it has fancy bird inlays which match my tattoos. Yes I am a nerd shut up.

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/firebird.jpg[/img]
My Firebird Studio. Doggs it plays so good and sounds so good. It's got Gibson's 490 and 498 neck/bridge pickups, which are my favorite pickups Gibson makes- the 496/500s on Les Paul Classics and Explorers are too shrill for my liking, and the Burstbuckers they're putting on new Les Pauls are too bright. Haven't tried any '57 Classics yet, I hear they're the shit though. This guitar balances a lot better than you'd expect, and the non-banjo-style tuners are WAY better than the standard Firebird's, which will not stay in tune for more than three minutes at a time. Basically this guitar is a weird-looking SG with better balance.

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/ibz.jpg[/img]
My Ibanez Prestige 7-string. I had no idea Ibanez made such high-quality stuff nowadays. Construction and playability-wise this $800 guitar equals most guitars twice its price. Too bad the pickups suck ass. I really need to replace them. I'm also considering trading this in for a 6-string Prestige- I like the low B, but I may be too used to 6-strings to really make the most of this instrument.

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/mccarty1.jpg[/img]
The jewel of my collection and the one guitar I could see myself hanging on to for the rest of my life. I haven't found another instrument (and I have played hundreds of different guitars, many of them Very Fancy Indeed) that sounds as good or plays as well. Seriously I am sorry, all other guitar players ever, but I have the Best Guitar. The only reason it's not my "main guitar" right now is all the music I've been recording lately has been in drop-C, and the McCarty pickups don't respond that well to anything below drop-D. The higher-output pickups in my Standard 24 and the super-hot EMGs in my ESP handle it much better. The Firebird sounds all right but its truss-rod goes OH NO WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING STOP IT when I tune it down, so I don't.

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/mccarty2.jpg[/img]
Here's a close-up of the top. Remember when you could actually find guitars for less than retail price on eBay? Yeah I bought this thing for about $1000 less than it was worth. Score.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ketzer on 01 Mar 2008, 10:04
Jeph that Eclipse in the pics you posted on your blog is fucking sexual.

For those who missed it, Here 'tis (http://qcjeph.livejournal.com/92457.html#cutid1)

Thanks! I like it a LOT. ESP guitars are so good. Everything I like about 90s-era Jacksons (great build quality, excellent pickups, reasonable prices).*

Maybe today I'll take pictures of the rest of my stuff. FOR GLOATING

*GEE THANKS FENDER FOR BUYING JACKSON AND IMMEDIATELY RAISING THEIR PRICES $500 AND ALSO DRIVING THE VALUE OF USED PRE-FENDER JACKSONS WAY WAY WAY UP YOU CUNTS

I know what you're saying about Jackson. A few years back, I Inherited from my uncle his '91 CS KV1. Probably the most beautiful guitar I've ever seen, Satin black with Silver bevels, Kahler trem, and an '59 and JB combo. It was stolen from my house in early '07, and though insurance gave me $2000 for it, I still feel ripped off. I've not played a Post-fender KV2 that sounds ANYWHERE near as nice or plays anywhere near as well.

I bet some druggie pawned it for smack.   :-( :-( :-( :-(


And if you're planning on parting with that 1527 in the future, I'd be glad to take it off your hands. Ibanez stock pickups suck on all models but the sigs D:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 01 Mar 2008, 10:22
I paid ~$900 for it; I'd be willing to let it go for $700. It's still essentially mint, but I figure I had easily $200 worth of fun playing it. PM me if you're interested and we can work out a deal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Mar 2008, 10:26
Jeph, if I show up at your door one day to pay homage to your Firebird, don't be scared.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 01 Mar 2008, 10:28
Make sure you show up at my office (where the guitar resides) and not my house, or it'll be awkward.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Mar 2008, 10:38
Righto.


*sigh* Come along, summer, and summer job. I'm looking through the Subway site again, and they've got all these old Fenders (Leads, Mustangs, a Musicmaster or two) for under $600. TEMPTED, MAN.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 01 Mar 2008, 11:31
That's one hell of a collection there, Jeph. Thumbs up!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Mar 2008, 11:56
God that flame maple PRS is gorgeous.

I am hating you more and more every day.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 01 Mar 2008, 18:04
I know, flame maple is absolutely beautiful. I am so glad I don't have a credit card. I would be up to my eyeballs in debt and my credit rating would be almost nonexistent.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Mar 2008, 13:44
Thanks a lot for reminding me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Mar 2008, 14:13
You are welcome. What are friends for, after all?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 02 Mar 2008, 18:56
(http://eastwoodguitars.com/Other/sidejack-baritoneDLX/images/ot_Blk-SJBaritoneDLX.jpg)

WANT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 02 Mar 2008, 20:34
Are all Eastwood guitars made out of plastic, or is that just the pictures?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 02 Mar 2008, 20:48
(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/Other/mandocaster/images/ot_AntSunb-mando.jpg)

Awesome
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 02 Mar 2008, 22:59
What the hell is wrong with you people
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Mar 2008, 23:00
I hereby rename the mandocaster the I am playing this to pretend I don't have anything to compensate for and because I have no style whatsoever mandolin.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 03 Mar 2008, 00:41
I dunno, I'd buy the mandocaster just because its an electric mandolin. I would rock out so hard on that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Mar 2008, 04:57
I can't do a massive Jeph-like post because I only have one working electric..BUT I SEE YOUR FIREBIRD AND RAISE YOU MINE.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/captain_applesauce/030108_15241.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Mar 2008, 07:50
Nice.

Guys, I want a cello.  I played one last night.  It was lots of fun, and it was slightly easier than I thought it would be.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 03 Mar 2008, 08:05
Are all Eastwood guitars made out of plastic, or is that just the pictures?
Actually I believe they are wooden replicas, many of which were 'plastic' as you say. But I do not believe that any Eastwoods currently are made from anything but wood, and well you know the other stuff that they make guitar parts outa.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 03 Mar 2008, 12:04
I can't do a massive Jeph-like post because I only have one working electric..BUT I SEE YOUR FIREBIRD AND RAISE YOU MINE.

{AMAZING FIREBIRD}

GAH I WANT I WANT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 03 Mar 2008, 14:32
Speaking of Mandolins and firebirds...

(http://www.samash.com/images/items/lg_EFM8VSCH1.jpg)
I present, the Mandobird

I honestly don't know if I should want one or not
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Mar 2008, 15:06
GAH I WANT I WANT

It's pretty, but it's by no means amazing. I need to replace both tone pots, they're a little scratchy. And the humbuckers aren't really..hum..bucking? They're kinda noisy. I guess that's what you get out of a mid-90s Epiphone.

(also, though it has the look of the regular neck-through IIIs, it's a bolt-on.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 03 Mar 2008, 16:24
That Firebird makes me want to get one. A Gibson though, with the neck-thru.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Mar 2008, 16:51
I'd love to have a Studio like Jeph's. That's a set-neck, right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 03 Mar 2008, 18:00
What the hell is wrong with you people

I bet they think Musicmans are attractive too. Those bastards.

Guys, I want a cello.  I played one last night.  It was lots of fun, and it was slightly easier than I thought it would be.

DO EET!

I've been wanting a cello for about six months now. Cellos are the best instruments ever. They sound (http://so good) aslkdkfj;lksadjf;
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 10:04
In my experience the mini-humbuckers on Firebirds and Les Paul Deluxes are just noisier than full-size HBs. Dunno why.

Firebird Studios are indeed set-necks.

I think instead of my 7-string I would be better off with one of these:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/6/6/6/457666.jpg)

(guys i have a problem)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2008, 10:10
Yeah someone forgot to put more pickups on it.

It's like a Delonge Strat with a Floyd, dawg!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 04 Mar 2008, 10:42
I'd go for that. Single pickup guitars are a huge personal fetish of mine..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 10:53
Yeah someone forgot to put more pickups on it.

It's like a Delonge Strat with a Floyd, dawg!

Dogg have you ever heard of a dude called Eddie Van Halen
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2008, 11:00
Ugly-ass motherfucker.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 11:04
(http://eppsnet.com/images/capt.ny10703090648.people_van_halen_ny107.jpg)
I'D HIT IT

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2008, 11:08
He looks like he should be homeless, or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 11:14
He looks much better now that he's out of rehab

(and taken a shower)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2008, 11:18
You can go to rehab for ugly?

*cough* BACK ON TRACK. Here's the Squier Bullet, in "still needs electronics and a bridge" stage.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/captain_applesauce/030108_16031.jpg)



(can you dudes tell I like the Murphys?)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 11:20
I do not believe the Dropkick Murphys are an actual band. I believe they are simply a series of stickers and t-shirts and other merchandise.

JUST LIKE MY COMIC HUR HUR HUR
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2008, 11:23
I have 8 tickets for their shows on March 15th in my bag, and you wait until NOW to tell me they're not a real band?


I also have this weird-assed thing (and an ugly chair). I got it for free from my dad's girlfriend's brother. No signs of manufacturer, only "MADE IN JAPAN" stamped on the neckplate. The neck's warped beyond repair.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/captain_applesauce/102607_19331.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 04 Mar 2008, 11:59
That's too bad.  It looks amazingly weird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 04 Mar 2008, 12:22
yweah, i'd even suggest getting another neck for it
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 04 Mar 2008, 12:34
Yeah someone forgot to put more pickups on it.

It's like a Delonge Strat with a Floyd, dawg!

Dogg have you ever heard of a dude called Eddie Van Halen
AMP! (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,18921.msg617848.html#msg617848)
Apparently we have similar thoughts on control knobs. Although I can't really claim that as my gtr has 5 of them now. But srsly, I would be fine if they set the tone in the middle and turned it all the way up + skipped putting any switches or anything on my next axe.
One p/up would be fine if it were a good'un.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 12:51
Personally I never use the tone knobs on any of my guitars, but I will readily admit that a bridge humbucker with the tone rolled all the way off is one of the best solo tones ever. It's great for weird, druggy sounding solos a la Spiritualized, Dungen, or Clapton.

IIRC, that mystery guitar is a Teisco. Although the strat-shaped headstock makes me think that the neck isn't stock.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 12:53
PS holy shit Lummer did you really get your hands on a Les Paul Custom????
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 04 Mar 2008, 13:27
PS holy shit Lummer did you really get your hands on a Les Paul Custom????

Yes, and no, kinda.

It's a Greco. A Japanese knockoff from the late 80s.

I traded my SG Special in for it with a friend. My friend had bought it, but found the weight to be too much (he's a real tiny guy, Angus Young-size), so we made this deal.
In terms of second-hand-market price levels, it broke perfectly even.

I think it was a really good deal! I liked my SG, but a Les Paul just fits me better, honestly.

The Greco feels a little more "brutish" than my Les Paul Standard, but I actually really like that. It plays incredibly well, and sounds as good as the real thing at least to my ears. I'm really happy with it! :)

I still need a new 7-string though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 04 Mar 2008, 15:12
Personally I never use the tone knobs on any of my guitars, but I will readily admit that a bridge humbucker with the tone rolled all the way off is one of the best solo tones ever. It's great for weird, druggy sounding solos a la Spiritualized, Dungen, or Clapton.

IIRC, that mystery guitar is a Teisco. Although the strat-shaped headstock makes me think that the neck isn't stock.

Some Teiscos had Strat rip-off headstocks.  There are a couple ridiculous ones at my local music store.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Mar 2008, 03:31
I traded my SG Special in for it with a friend.

We're not friends anymore.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Mar 2008, 03:35
I traded my SG Special in for it with a friend.

We're not friends anymore.

Well, I have two awesome Les Pauls now, so *facepalm*..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Mar 2008, 05:08
IIRC, that mystery guitar is a Teisco.

Thanks Jeph! I couldn't figure it out to save my life. ('Milio, I wanted to put the neck from the Squier on it, but the mounting holes don't line up.)

godinpants, Epis are usually hit-or-miss. There's some really nice ones, and some really sub-par ones. Try before you buy, dude.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Mar 2008, 06:22
(Though i would most probably avoid a gold one)

Why? That thing is AWESOME looking.

Also yeah I've had that same experience. Played an Epi Les Paul that was meh. Played an Epi SG (back before I even liked SGs) and it could easily have been one of the nicest guitars ever made.

It was nothing compared to my Gibson SG, but seriously? That was a damn fine guitar and was better than anything I'd ever owned at that point in time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Mar 2008, 06:56
Thanks Jeph! I couldn't figure it out to save my life. ('Milio, I wanted to put the neck from the Squier on it, but the mounting holes don't line up.)

Is it three to four bolt? That's doable, just fill the existing screw holes with dowels lightly covered in plastic wood filler, wait 24 hours, and go for it.

I've even seen four to three work, if you don't mind the tapestry-like mess in the back of the neck (which I think just looks cool).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Mar 2008, 07:07
godinpants, Epis are usually hit-or-miss. There's some really nice ones, and some really sub-par ones. Try before you buy, dude.
I concur. Last one I had, I had to send back and I found out afterwards the entire line had the same flaw. They oem shit all over the globe. QC is very hit/miss. I would likely never buy one online. I think all the Epi LP's I've played were crap. But I've seen several Dots that were keepers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Mar 2008, 07:14
QC is very hit/miss.

GODDAMNIT I AM DOING THE BEST I CAN
 :x :oops: :x :oops: :x :oops:


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 05 Mar 2008, 07:24
I just killed Patrick by showing him pictures off Sonic Youth's guitar archive

(http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/gtr66h.jpg)http://
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Mar 2008, 07:24
QC is very hit/miss.

GODDAMNIT I AM DOING THE BEST I CAN
 :x :oops: :x :oops: :x :oops:
hahahahah fucking hahahahaha I didn't even think about that (obviously)...
{ahem} yeah well tighten up there.  :roll:


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Mar 2008, 08:05
THIS is the one Emilio sent me that broke me:

(http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/gtr75j.jpg)

tl;dr I FUCKING HATE SONIC YOUTH
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Mar 2008, 08:14
they lost a bunch of guitars in the 90's to a van theft.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Mar 2008, 09:45
They didn't deserve the damn things if that's how they're treating them. You don't fucking do that to a vintage instrument no matter who you are.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Mar 2008, 11:17
Is it three to four bolt?

They're both four bolt, but the holes aren't in the same spots, and I don't want to drill more holes into the Squier's neck (especially when I'm going to get the Bullet back on its feet). I know Stew-Mac sells Strat necks that aren't drilled, maybe I'll get one of those for the Teisco.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 05 Mar 2008, 11:53
They didn't deserve the damn things if that's how they're treating them. You don't fucking do that to a vintage instrument no matter who you are.


I disagree, vintage or not, a guitar's only purpose is to make awesome sounds, and Sonic Youth did that in spades. Now, people who have vintage instruments and don't play them? That's something that infuriates me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Mar 2008, 12:29
You can't make awesome sounds if the guitar is completely impossible to play due to the fact that you've destroyed it like a damn filthy ape. The fact that it's a vintage instrument that can never be replaced is just OFFENSIVE.

And if anybody wants to play the "but it doesn't personally affect you" card, have at it. It DOES affect me, because vintage Jazzmasters or Jags are damn expensive and I really don't feel like buying a reissue.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 Mar 2008, 12:42
I, personally, think that Jazzmaster looks awesome.  Especially the "I threw up." sticker.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 05 Mar 2008, 13:30
Guitar Update:

A week ago on Sunday, I woke up to find my parents loading my guitars and keyboard into the elevator and taking them away from me.

Apparently, this "rock and roll addiction" is messing with my future.

Fuck.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 Mar 2008, 14:17
Perhaps this "rock and roll addiction" is your future?  You are quite a talented individual, in my opinion.

I would not be happy with my parents if they took my guitars and shit away, to say the very least.  I would probably disown them both, move away, and keep communication to a very minimum, after getting my stuff back.  At least, that's what I'd want to do.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Mar 2008, 15:25
I would also rock that Jazzmaster. It looks great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 Mar 2008, 15:44
I think I'm going to make myself a shirt with that sticker on it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 05 Mar 2008, 19:36
And if anybody wants to play the "but it doesn't personally affect you" card, have at it. It DOES affect me, because vintage Jazzmasters or Jags are damn expensive and I really don't feel like buying a reissue.

The reissues are just as good instruments. Jags are still cheap, you can still pick a pre-CBS refin up for under 2k.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 05 Mar 2008, 19:52
I almost cried when I saw one of Pete Townshend's busted Les Pauls in Hard Rock when I was in Orlando.

How low can you tune a SG and have it still pick up well? I know a band with guitarists that use SGs has played a B-tuned song, but I don't know if they use SGs for those. I seriously doubt I would downtune that low except for covers though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 05 Mar 2008, 21:58
You can't make awesome sounds if the guitar is completely impossible to play due to the fact that you've destroyed it like a damn filthy ape.


Beg to differ


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Evol.gif)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Confispk.gif)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Sonic_youth_sister.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/SonicYouthDaydreamNationalbumcover.jpg)

Quote
And if anybody wants to play the "but it doesn't personally affect you" card, have at it. It DOES affect me, because vintage Jazzmasters or Jags are damn expensive and I really don't feel like buying a reissue.


See, they didn't buy a ton of "vintage jags", they bought old, unused, unwanted guitars that had been lying in basements or garages for ages and they used them to rock the fuck out. A guitar is just a tool, sure, some are pretty tools, but no more.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 05 Mar 2008, 22:54
Perhaps this "rock and roll addiction" is your future?  You are quite a talented individual, in my opinion.

I would not be happy with my parents if they took my guitars and shit away, to say the very least.  I would probably disown them both, move away, and keep communication to a very minimum, after getting my stuff back.  At least, that's what I'd want to do.

Thanks, man.

That's what I FEEL like doing.  Gawd.

And guys, Sonic Youth's guitars are amazing.  I'm really jealous that people didn't want Jaguars and Jazzmasters back then.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 05 Mar 2008, 23:26
Perhaps this "rock and roll addiction" is your future?  You are quite a talented individual, in my opinion.

I would not be happy with my parents if they took my guitars and shit away, to say the very least.  I would probably disown them both, move away, and keep communication to a very minimum, after getting my stuff back.  At least, that's what I'd want to do.

Thanks, man.

That's what I FEEL like doing.  Gawd.

And guys, Sonic Youth's guitars are amazing.  I'm really jealous that people didn't want Jaguars and Jazzmasters back then.
Who wants one these days? 

Worst shape to flip over ever.  I'd rather play an upside down Epi Paul.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 05 Mar 2008, 23:52
Why do you want to flip it over?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 06 Mar 2008, 01:42
Jaguars and Jazzmasters are uber sexy. like uber. you will not find a sexier guitar. i dont care.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 06 Mar 2008, 01:57
Why do you want to flip it over?

yeah, what do you mean dawg?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 06 Mar 2008, 02:10
Probably plays left handed.

Also, you know what would look cool flipped? An explorer.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 06 Mar 2008, 02:25
I am left handed, but I play right-handed, I don't understand why you would want to play lefty as a lefty, maybe as a righty. Your stronger hand is doing the chords that way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Mar 2008, 03:49
tl:dr I think we're saying sack up, Patrick.  :-P
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 05:11
And guys, Sonic Youth's guitars are amazing.  I'm really jealous that people didn't want Jaguars and Jazzmasters back then.
Who wants one these days?

Jaguars and Jazzmasters are uber sexy. like uber. you will not find a sexier guitar. i dont care.

THIS

Also I will not sack up until I've ensured the safety of every Jazz and Jag made 1964 or earlier.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Mar 2008, 05:52
Fine, but we'll keep thrashing the '65+ ones.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 05:58
Go for it, just as long as you leave the Strats alone. I want a period-correct '69 Strat. After 1970, though, I don't care.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Mar 2008, 05:59
Man, yeah. Rosewood fretboard Strats + ginormous headstock = win.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 06:02
I was thinking more along the lines of Olympic white + maple + huge headstock, but that's probably because I am a Hendrix-idolizing slut.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Mar 2008, 06:47
He rocked black/rosewood for a while, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 06 Mar 2008, 07:06
...because I am a Hendrix-idolizing slut.
and he also ruined a few good guitars...double standard?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 08:16
They were still in production then and weren't vintage.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WUT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Mar 2008, 09:50
No shit, the solid-body electric wasn't even 20 years old at that point.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 06 Mar 2008, 09:51
They were still in production then and weren't vintage.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WUT

Well as I am just sort of being the devil's advocate, I am not so sure that was a concern of Jimi's while he was having at them. But maybe so. I do not suggest that smashing, burning etc... guitars is a good thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Mar 2008, 11:55
Guitar Update:

A week ago on Sunday, I woke up to find my parents loading my guitars and keyboard into the elevator and taking them away from me.

Apparently, this "rock and roll addiction" is messing with my future.

Fuck.

Please tell me this is a joke. Even with my own parents, I'm not sure I could contain the sheer anger I would feel at this. Even if they gave me the money from selling the equipment off I'd just go and buy more damn equipment.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 06 Mar 2008, 11:57
They were still in production then and weren't vintage.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WUT
But they would be now. If he hadn't destroyed them, they would be very rare and worth a lot of money.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 12:10
I don't see your point.

A week ago on Sunday, I woke up to find my parents loading my guitars and keyboard into the elevator and taking them away from me.

Apparently, this "rock and roll addiction" is messing with my future.

I SO fucking have dibs on that Jag.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 06 Mar 2008, 12:41
While rewiring a couple instruments, my mind drifted to someone wanting to shell out a million bucks for some "Kurt Cobain Jag Switchplate".

Being both busy *and* lazy, I am neglecting rereading 30 pages of this thread, so, if that dude still wants that, lemme just say, don't they have machine shops where you live?  You can probably get that thing fabbed for five, maybe ten bucks.  It's just a couple of holes in a hexagon.

Also, since I'm scalping a Duncan out of a free Strat I got a while back, I want to leave in 1 normal and 1 RWRP, right?  tia
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 06 Mar 2008, 14:59
I don't see your point.

A week ago on Sunday, I woke up to find my parents loading my guitars and keyboard into the elevator and taking them away from me.

Apparently, this "rock and roll addiction" is messing with my future.

I SO fucking have dibs on that Jag.

They'd probably sell it to you, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 06 Mar 2008, 16:15
I am buying this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?sku=480510) soon.  I'm trading in my Fender FM 212 DSP (solid state) for this one.  I am so freaking stoked.  I've played the Deluxe at the store I'm doing the transaction in, and it sounds so good.  The clean tones are nice and warm, and the distortion on the more drive channel sounds warm, thick and creamy.  Yumm...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 06 Mar 2008, 17:05
I am left handed, but I play right-handed, I don't understand why you would want to play lefty as a lefty, maybe as a righty. Your stronger hand is doing the chords that way.
That was Billy Corgan's rationale: he's lefty, but plays "righty" so that his dominant hand is doing the complicated stuff while his right hand strums and picks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 06 Mar 2008, 17:22
I am buying this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?sku=480510) soon.  I'm trading in my Fender FM 212 DSP (solid state) for this one.  I am so freaking stoked.  I've played the Deluxe at the store I'm doing the transaction in, and it sounds so good.  The clean tones are nice and warm, and the distortion on the more drive channel sounds warm, thick and creamy.  Yumm...

Very good choice sir.

I do love my Traynor soild state though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 06 Mar 2008, 18:39
I don't see your point.
At the time, the guitars may not have been vintage, but now they would be. If they hadn't been destroyed, they would be valuable vintage high-quality guitars. Where do you not see my point?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 06 Mar 2008, 22:27
I'm also a lefty who plays right-handed.

I believe the reason the strumming/picking hand is considered dominant is because originally, with classical string instruments, the bowing (the difficult part) was done using that hand. Fretting isn't as complicated on a violin or cello as on a guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 23:25
At the time, the guitars may not have been vintage, but now they would be. If they hadn't been destroyed, they would be valuable vintage high-quality guitars. Where do you not see my point?

At the time there was nothing stopping Fender from building more of the things, as it was their mainstay production guitar at the time (and, well, it still is).

Also, do you think Strats would be as popular as they are if not for Hendrix? He wasn't the first one to play one, but he sure as hell boosted that sucker's sales from that point onward.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 06 Mar 2008, 23:42
The world would be such a different place if Hendrix had played a tele. Instead of superstrats, we'd probably have superteles.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Mar 2008, 00:14
? (http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2003/jul30a.html)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 07 Mar 2008, 04:42
I'm also a lefty who plays right-handed.
Me too. But I did it bc I started on 5 string banjo. Damn glad I did though. My gf is a lefty bassist that plays righty too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Mar 2008, 05:02
I am buying this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?sku=480510) soon.  I'm trading in my Fender FM 212 DSP (solid state) for this one.  I am so freaking stoked.  I've played the Deluxe at the store I'm doing the transaction in, and it sounds so good.  The clean tones are nice and warm, and the distortion on the more drive channel sounds warm, thick and creamy.  Yumm...

God yes, I need a Hot Rod Deluxe.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Mar 2008, 08:49
I play with both hands.  I'm mostly righthanded, and that's how I started, but when I got my classical guitar, it was too deep for me to fret it, so I said, well, shit, I guess I'll have to turn it over and learn to play lefthanded.  Which I did, and now it's so funny because I have 2 totally different styles.

Also, Hendrix was mostly righthanded (writing, eating, and stuff) but preferred playing lefthanded. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 07 Mar 2008, 15:24
Too deep to fret?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 07 Mar 2008, 16:00
Strings up too high? I had that problem to start with, but I just had wimpy hand strength and was playing a crappy acoustic that probably hadn't been set up right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Mar 2008, 16:37
I have often wondered what it would be like to be able to flip my guitar over mid-song and just be like "OH HELLO GUYS I CAN DO THIS LEFTY -AND- STRUNG UPSIDE-DOWN" every once in a blue moon.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 07 Mar 2008, 17:23
Bonus points if you play misirlou when you do it.

I tried that once, I swear it is easier to do it Dick Dale style with your hand over the top (er um bottom?  the side of the neck with the high E).

And on a completely random note, why are there so many female bass players?  I have gigantic monkey hands and I pick up a bass and some of the stretches still seem huge.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 07 Mar 2008, 17:28
I can't answer that question without sounding like a sexist asshole.  So, I don't know.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 07 Mar 2008, 17:32
Bonus points if you play misirlou when you do it.

I tried that once, I swear it is easier to do it Dick Dale stop with your hand over the top (er um bottom?  the side of the neck with the high E).

And on a completely random note, why are there so many female bass players?  I have gigantic monkey hands and I pick up a bass and some of the stretches still seem huge.

Four fingers for three frets when you're near the nut.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Mar 2008, 19:38
Too deep to fret?
The body of the guitar was too deep, about 4", and it's a classical, so the joint's at the 12th.  The deep body and short neck kept me from holding the instrument as I usually do when playing righthanded (dragging the floor), so I started playing lefthanded, holding the thing up like Ray Davies.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Mar 2008, 19:39
I have often wondered what it would be like to be able to flip my guitar over mid-song and just be like "OH HELLO GUYS I CAN DO THIS LEFTY -AND- STRUNG UPSIDE-DOWN" every once in a blue moon.
It'd choke you if you left the strap on!


<___<
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 07 Mar 2008, 19:43
At the time, the guitars may not have been vintage, but now they would be. If they hadn't been destroyed, they would be valuable vintage high-quality guitars. Where do you not see my point?

At the time there was nothing stopping Fender from building more of the things, as it was their mainstay production guitar at the time (and, well, it still is).

Also, do you think Strats would be as popular as they are if not for Hendrix? He wasn't the first one to play one, but he sure as hell boosted that sucker's sales from that point onward.
Just caught this. Did they really check to make sure they had a certain amount of guitars of a year out at the end of a year? I would think they just kept cranking them out. They wouldn't be as well-known without Hendrix, but as you said, it was their mainstay already. And he didn't have to destroy them afterwards.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Mar 2008, 19:45
Strats were p damn popular before Hendrix.  Ain't y'all heard of Hank Marvin, Buddy Holly, Dick Dale, to name a few?
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Post by: Spluff on 07 Mar 2008, 21:45
The Strat got used one in a while, but it was hardly popular. None of those people popularized it anywhere near the amount Hendrix did.
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Post by: FireAarro on 07 Mar 2008, 22:01
Strats were p damn popular before Hendrix.  Ain't y'all heard of Hank Marvin, Buddy Holly, Dick Dale, to name a few?

All 50s... in the 60s, less of the stars used Fenders. Lots of Gibson, Rickenbacker, etc.
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Post by: valley_parade on 08 Mar 2008, 07:16
Dear Gibson,

what (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Reverse-Explorer-Electric-Guitar-Antique-Walnut?sku=516473) the fuck (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-The-Holy-V-Electric-Guitar-Worn-Cherry?sku=516477).


Truly,
Shane



(actually, the reverse Explorer is growing on me, in a non-reverse Firebird kinda way)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 08 Mar 2008, 08:22
My god, that's weird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Mar 2008, 09:33
That Holy V is actually pretty cool.  That Explorer on the other hand...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 08 Mar 2008, 10:15
I really like the Reverse Explorer except for the fucking awful headstock.

The Holy V is just odd.

Those tuners look interesting.
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Post by: valley_parade on 08 Mar 2008, 10:16
Things Gibson has done to the flying V that they really shouldn't have:

1. Reversed it
2. Cut holes in it?!

I can't even imagine the design meetings. "Well, we could cut some holes in it." "What the fuck purpose would that serve?"


(speaking of reverse, I'm pretty sure the headstock on the Explorer is just a reversed Moderne headstock..)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 08 Mar 2008, 10:18
(speaking of reverse, I'm pretty sure the headstock on the Explorer is just a reversed Moderne headstock..)
They must have thought it looked monkey enough without the banana
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 08 Mar 2008, 10:22
oh god the beveled edges on the anniversary Explorer and Flying V

oh god so ugly

so ugly
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 08 Mar 2008, 10:37
Anybody see these (http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/progressive/prails_shpr1/) yet?  Humbucker made of a p90 and a single coil, that you can split into both.  Take a look at the video.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 08 Mar 2008, 12:00
Dear Gibson,

what (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Reverse-Explorer-Electric-Guitar-Antique-Walnut?sku=516473) the fuck (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-The-Holy-V-Electric-Guitar-Worn-Cherry?sku=516477).


Truly,
Shane

DO NOT WANT

Regarding the P-90 + rail pickup, that looks kindof interesting. I mean, I'd never try it, I don't really care enough about it to buy it, but that is pretty cool-looking.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 08 Mar 2008, 13:27
Guys

I just bought a $3000 Les Paul for $900.

Pics and backstory forthcoming.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 08 Mar 2008, 13:35
FIGHT YOU MR. JACQUES!

Also, how the hell do tune that Reverse Flying V? The tuning pegs on that thing are basically non-existent.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 08 Mar 2008, 13:50
I AM HATING YOU MORE AND MORE EACH DAY, JEPH
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 08 Mar 2008, 15:12
[reverse explorer]

I actually quite like the reverse explorer. I highly doubt my chances of actually owning one, but if i somehow fulfilled some of my already existing GAS and had money left over, I'd buy one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 08 Mar 2008, 18:46
If you got a new headstock for the explorer, that would be damn hot.

Also, fuck you, Jeph, sir.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 08 Mar 2008, 19:10
Why is nobody complaining about the silly lightning bolt pickguard on the the Reverse Explorer? If you replaced the headstock and pulled that damn pickguard off, then you would have a very nice guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 08 Mar 2008, 19:52
Bah, who cares about stupid fugly backwards gimmick guitars.  Talk about those Seymour Duncans I linked to.  And Jeph's Les Paul.

Damnit Jeph talk about your Les Paul!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 08 Mar 2008, 20:07
WELL GEE FINE I'LL TALK ABOUT YOUR FREAKIN' p-90/SINGLE COIL SPLIT PICKUP GAWSH

Seriously though, I would love to have one of those on my guitar, but I wish the dude wasn't playing nothing but blues licks in the demo video, and I'm not sure how I'm going to A- wire it to my Fender Lead II guitar (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/TehLetterM/P2213197.jpg), or B- get a Fender Lead series pickup that accommodates a hum/single combination. I'm sure pickguards.com can accommodate me, but I'm not sure if I can simply ask them to combine a Lead I and Lead II pickguard together.

Oh, and I have no disposable income since I go to college right now and can't find a job for the life of me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 08 Mar 2008, 23:01
Those do look pretty fun, although I'm not a huge fan of Seymour. I'm just trying to think how I'd wire them into one of mine; I'd want the rail option, so push-pulls wouldn't work, as it looks like that'd only turn the rail on and off. Seems like you'd need three three-way switches, and you'd get 15 potential combinations?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 09 Mar 2008, 03:42
GUYS I AM GOING TO BUY A GUITAR SOON

I am tossing up between a 7 string Ibanez (7321) and a Gibson SG Special Faded.

I am learning quite a bit towards the SG, but both feel and sound great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 04:42
Get the SG. The looks and playability of a Gibson, the price of a Fender, a lifetime warranty, and HOLY SHIT IT'S A GIBSON FOR LIKE $570 OH MY GOD YOU'D BE AN IDIOT NOT TO DO IT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Mar 2008, 05:46
sg sg sg sg


(LP pixxx coming soon hahahahah)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 05:58
As far as the internet is concerned, you don't own a Les Paul, because you haven't posted pics. Pics or it didn't happen, old man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 09 Mar 2008, 07:00
Yeah dudes I think I'm gonna spill the dough on that SG, it is one fine-ass axe.

I mean fuck yeah SG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 07:31

I just bought a $3000 Les Paul for $900.

Guys, I'm within an hour of the honorable Mr. Jacques. Meet at my house, and we'll steal it!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Mar 2008, 09:18
oh snappp

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/lp.jpg)

It's a 2005 Les Paul Standard Premium Plus. Super-fancy top, really nice pickups. It sounds like God. Got a few dings here and there, but whatever. Les Pauls look cooler that way anyway.

Basically a local music shop is closing in a couple weeks, so the dude was doing hella closeout deals on all his used instruments. I had about $600 in trade-in credit from a guitar I had sold a long time ago, and I saw this LP on his wall. He was like "the price tag says $1800 but I could go as low as $1500."

So $1500 - $600 = $900. I got a $3000 guitar for (basically) $900.

FUCKING SCORE.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 09:30
Snap indeed, man.

How's it sound?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Mar 2008, 09:32
like god
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 09:33
Non-existant and worshipped by millions of idiots?


Man, I need one of those.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 10:59
Shane, if you want a non-existant guitar, I'll be happy to convert all of your instruments.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 11:00
Also:

Jeph,
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 09 Mar 2008, 11:03
Aah, yes. A Les Paul is a great thing to own..

Congrats Jeph!
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Post by: doombilly on 09 Mar 2008, 11:04
Bonus points if you play misirlou when you do it.

I tried that once, I swear it is easier to do it Dick Dale stop with your hand over the top (er um bottom?  the side of the neck with the high E).

And on a completely random note, why are there so many female bass players?  I have gigantic monkey hands and I pick up a bass and some of the stretches still seem huge.

Four fingers for three frets when you're near the nut.
Wrong. More like your monkey hands can't make the stretch. Limber up. Ican't do it that well. That's why Ihave a girl play the bass.  :P
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 11:22
Shane, if you want a non-existant guitar, I'll be happy to convert all of your instruments.

I THINK NOT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 11:27
That's why Ihave a girl play the bass.  :P

Female bass players are the sexiest thing known to man. Second in the running is boyshorts and a close third is girl-ninjas.

Also Shane don't be a pussy I promise I won't damage anything. Just steal it. COME ON BUDDY
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 11:33
My guitars.

YOU DON'T TOUCHING THEM.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 11:42
I'll use a robotic arm if I have to.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 12:01
No, seriously. I've only let one person ever play one of my guitars. And the only reason was that I was really into her.

I hate to break it to you, Patrick, but I don't love you in that way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 12:09
Oooh, new LTD Eclipses. Distressed, at that!

(http://espguitars.com/images/news/ec-256.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Mar 2008, 14:29
@Jeph: With all due respect, Fuck You!

@Pat: I think that I have to replace girl ninjas with girls in combat boots, sorry. For the good of humanity and whatnot.

What the hell is the idea behind distressed guitars? Same with distressed jeans, or distressed anything. So I could buy something, have it for a couple years, and then sell it as "distressed" for no loss?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 09 Mar 2008, 15:56
@Jeph: With all due respect, Fuck You!

@Pat: I think that I have to replace girl ninjas with girls in combat boots, sorry. For the good of humanity and whatnot.

What the hell is the idea behind distressed guitars? Same with distressed jeans, or distressed anything. So I could buy something, have it for a couple years, and then sell it as "distressed" for no loss?
The way I understand it, it's for people who'd rather try to look cool and not worry about breaking anything than actually, you know, take any risks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 09 Mar 2008, 15:57
I don't understand the ideas behind 'relic'-ing guitars.  I would rather rock out hard enough that my guitar got beat up than beat my guitar up and pretend its vintage.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Mar 2008, 16:00
Are the distressed ones more durable? Otherwise you are still going to get it beaten up eventually, getting stuff with fake damage just seems stupid.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 16:45
What the hell is the idea behind distressed guitars? Same with distressed jeans, or distressed anything. So I could buy something, have it for a couple years, and then sell it as "distressed" for no loss?

I prefer to distress my own jeans, it's so much more authentic when it's your own natural wear patterns. Guitars are no different. It's far superior to have your own actual finger-grime on the fretboard than to have finger-grime simulator.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Mar 2008, 16:47
Yeah, I agree. Though I only have finger-grime on the fingerboard because I always forget to clean it off while I change strings, because I am usually in a hurry to get back to playing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 17:01
in b4 Blackie
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 09 Mar 2008, 17:07
Is it okay to use saliva to clean fretboard grime?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Mar 2008, 17:10
Sure, why not.

Blackie? What is that? Is it worse than Mike Campbell's Broadcaster?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 17:18
You know that black Stratocaster with the maple fretboard that Clapton used a lot? The really old, really pretty one? The one that was made with parts from three different Strats?

Yeah that one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Mar 2008, 17:27
No, actually, I don't. Sorry.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 09 Mar 2008, 19:46
Blackie isn't really that beat up, just a lot of fretboard wear and some hellacious buckle burn. 

I dislike relics, and I don't really like signatures either (some are ok...).  this one (http://www.fender.com/joestrummer/) just pisses me off though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 09 Mar 2008, 22:24
You know that black Stratocaster with the maple fretboard that Clapton used a lot? The really old, really pretty one? The one that was made with parts from three different Strats?

Yeah that one.
As a matter of fact, that quickly-visible wear is supposedly why Clapton prefers maple fretboards. 

About as good a reason as Les Paul saying ebony makes yr fingers 'look fast', I guess.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Mar 2008, 03:32
Wasn't aware of that, but that's exactly why I want an Olympic white Strat with a maple fretboard. The nitrocellulose finish will yellow with age, that maple will show your fretboard wear beautifully, and it's just a damn classy combination of colors and looks good with just about anything.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 10 Mar 2008, 04:24
Wasn't aware of that, but that's exactly why I want an Olympic white Strat with a maple fretboard. The nitrocellulose finish will yellow with age, that maple will show your fretboard wear beautifully, and it's just a damn classy combination of colors and looks good with just about anything.

(http://www.namm.org/wannaplay/images/yngwie_malmsteen01.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 10 Mar 2008, 04:45
On one hand, he probably doesn't touch the fretboard much due to the scallops, but he probably drips enough grease and sweat onto it to age it faster than anyone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Mar 2008, 05:00
Clapton's black Strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Mar 2008, 05:00
Lummer I hate you. There is nobody on this earth I would be happier to see get punched in the face than Yngwie Fucking Malmsteen.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 10 Mar 2008, 06:52
I don't understand the ideas behind 'relic'-ing guitars.  I would rather rock out hard enough that my guitar got beat up than beat my guitar up and pretend its vintage.
Agreed. Totally retarded concept. When I see some kid with one of those, I want to distress them with my Dr Martens.

And:

[img width= height=]http://lh5.google.com/illicitizen/R9SIXnrWr-I/AAAAAAAAA5w/q1dypBLZELY/s400/IMG_0246.JPG[/img]
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Mar 2008, 10:56
I don't understand the ideas behind 'relic'-ing guitars.  I would rather rock out hard enough that my guitar got beat up than beat my guitar up and pretend its vintage.
Agreed. Totally retarded concept.

YES! THANKYOU!

I entirely agree. 'Antiquing' is such a bullshit concept. 'Let's make this guitar look older than it is and pretend that it means something to me.'

My '72 Custom is pristine, and I like that it is.

My Encore has bashes all over it, but I know that they all were, and they are my bashes, they're real.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Mar 2008, 13:58
Lummer I hate you. There is nobody on this earth I would be happier to see get punched in the face than Yngwie Fucking Malmsteen.
Nobody? You sure about that? I am sure there has to be someone.

I honestly don't like the light-colored guitars, not even the white with gold furniture, which looks good, but not when someone is actually using it. Maybe it just has to be certain clothing that goes good with it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Mar 2008, 16:06
Maybe Putin and/or Hillary, but my distaste for them is way more fleeting than my hatred of Yngwie Fucking Malmsteen.

White + gold just looks bad altogether, if you ask me. Especially if the white has yellowed like it always will on a nitrocellulose-finish guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 10 Mar 2008, 16:20
Gold hardware is easily the tackiest thing imaginable this side of a drunken Ibanez/BC Rich hookup
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Mar 2008, 16:23
I never wanted to picture that.

The imaginary pointyness of that guitar just cut my legs off.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Mar 2008, 16:27
Gold hardware is easily the tackiest thing imaginable this side of a drunken Ibanez/BC Rich hookup

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/5/0/270350.jpg)

The only Strat I have ever found appealing (with a small number of exceptions).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 10 Mar 2008, 16:28
I never wanted to picture that.

The imaginary pointyness of that guitar just cut my legs off.
You can't unsee it!  [/Voice of Interest]


Also, yeah, that gold looks pretty obnoxious to me.  Of course, I'll have to get some pics of my strat when I get the neck finished...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Mar 2008, 16:32
I think the gold hardware might look better if it was white, and the gold was just like engraving on the guitar, less is more when it comes to gold.

I dunno about the yellowing, I haven't thought about that, but I don't think yellow and gold would go together so well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Mar 2008, 16:34
(Deluxe Players' Strat)

Dude Gene you have no idea how much I want one of those things. Seriously? You can use any Strat pickup combination you could ever want. Ever. I would shell out the $600 for it just because it has the ability to provide every sound my Squier makes and then some. I still despise the gold, and I would probably do another paint job a-la my Squier.

This is going to happen after I buy a Sheraton, a Jag, a new computer, a Vox AC-100 + 4x12 cab, etcetera.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 10 Mar 2008, 17:22
He doesn't play guitar, just buys and sells them for profit

Man that is just not cool. Guitars are expensive enough already, I don't need some dude selling me an overpriced instrument.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 10 Mar 2008, 17:49
Yeah, gold hardware's usually pretty tacky, but sometimes it's just right.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/turquoisemoleeater/guitars/prince_purple_guitar.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Mar 2008, 18:15
(Deluxe Players' Strat)

Dude Gene you have no idea how much I want one of those things. Seriously? You can use any Strat pickup combination you could ever want. Ever. I would shell out the $600 for it just because it has the ability to provide every sound my Squier makes and then some. I still despise the gold, and I would probably do another paint job a-la my Squier.

This is going to happen after I buy a Sheraton, a Jag, a new computer, a Vox AC-100 + 4x12 cab, etcetera.

Why would you ruin that finish??  That is a beautiful instrument, except for the gross gold hardware.  I do agree it works on some guitars, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Mar 2008, 19:49
Yeah, gold hardware's usually pretty tacky, but sometimes it's just right.

(http://Prince)
Sometimes it is just the right amount of tacky, you mean?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 10 Mar 2008, 19:55
Who had the bad taste to make that thing for prince?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Mar 2008, 19:58
Someone that probably got a lot of money for it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Mar 2008, 20:39
Hey, it's a kitschy guitar made for the king of kitsch. It's not like anyone has deluded themselves into thinking that it's a gorgeous instrument.

Just a stage prop, really.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 10 Mar 2008, 22:54
Bear in mind Prince is an amazing musician with most intruments, but is specially bitchin on the guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Mar 2008, 23:30
Oh, I wasn't underwriting his playing ability at all. Just underlining the fact that the shape exists for added entertainment.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 11 Mar 2008, 01:10
Guys, I think Gibsons with gold hardware are ridiculously sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Mar 2008, 03:49
Someone that probably got a lot of money for it.

I want to say Dean.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Mar 2008, 04:21
Gold hardware is easily the tackiest thing imaginable this side of a drunken Ibanez/BC Rich hookup
Agreed. I just hate Gold gardwareon anything. And after the guitar is 5 minutes old the "gold" starts to look like crap. Acceptable hardware colors: Chrome, Black, or like some kind of brushed bare metal. gold hardware is the spinner of guitar affectations.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Mar 2008, 06:18
Why would you ruin that finish??  That is a beautiful instrument, except for the gross gold hardware.  I do agree it works on some guitars, though.

Because transparent red is reserved for Gibson. Fender is the brand you buy new and bash up over time, Gibson is the brand you change diapers for all it's life. If I am getting a Fender I am not getting it for the 'gorgeous finish'.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Mar 2008, 07:00
yeah I dunno KimJong. I mean actually my old Pawn Shop Mustang looks kind of good with the scars. I feel pretty certain if a gibson had sustained that level of abuse it would be in a dumpster or 'parts.'

I think the only Gibsons I like are the ES series. And like the really old models.
Like:
(http://lh3.google.com/illicitizen/Rz-JSMa3UkI/AAAAAAAAAUM/8x0p8kdeHRs/s144/DSC06056.JPG) (http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/200706SanFranGuitarShop/photo#5133973045890208322)
EDIT: EXCEPT THE GOLD #@$^@$%& HARDWARE!!!!11
But if I had to be too careful with it, meh...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Mar 2008, 08:08
Pawn. Shop. Mustang.

Those are the three greatest words ever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Mar 2008, 10:04
Pawn. Shop. Mustang.

Those are the three greatest words ever.
ha, That is my first gtr. 1977ish Tobacco Sunburst. Weighs a ton for a short scale. Heavier than some P basses. I think I paid 189.99+tax (w/ OHSC).
[img width= height=]http://lh6.google.com/illicitizen/R9a7OXrWsXI/AAAAAAAABBc/wSAenEE7cyI/s400/DSC05174.JPG[/img] (http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/Illicitizen/photo?authkey=Qt0remUfg3M#5176530677257384306)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Mar 2008, 10:05
Beauty.

Nice find, man. Nice goddamned find.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Mar 2008, 10:10
Beauty.

Nice find, man. Nice goddamned find.
Well that would have been, damn.. 1992 or 1993. In a real off the beaten path part of eastern NC.  I remember how broke I was, I put it on layaway and walked to that pawnshop once a week on my lunch break and gave them $20.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 11 Mar 2008, 10:29
Bear in mind Prince is an amazing musician with most intruments, but is specially bitchin on the guitar.

Prince is so insanely good a musician that he makes me ashamed of myself, and makes me want to improve. I don't even like much of his music, but he's so phenomenal in the talent department that he drives me that way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 11 Mar 2008, 10:43
Pawn. Shop. Mustang.

Those are the three greatest words ever.
ha, That is my first gtr. 1977ish Tobacco Sunburst. Weighs a ton for a short scale. Heavier than some P basses. I think I paid 189.99+tax (w/ OHSC).
[awesome fucking, fucking awesome Fender Mustang]

SPLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGE

Excuse me, I think I came.

Yea yea, my Fender Lead II blahblahblah same model played by Roger Miller of Mission of Burma blahblahblah SPLOOOOOOOOOOGE MUSTANG IS AWESOME

Excuse my apparent onanism and loss of grammar control. Umm, awesome guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 11 Mar 2008, 11:27
Who had the bad taste to make that thing for prince?

www.schecterguitars.com (http://www.schecterguitars.com), namely their Custom Shop.

Bear in mind Prince is an amazing musician with most intruments, but is specially bitchin on the guitar.

Prince is so insanely good a musician that he makes me ashamed of myself, and makes me want to improve. I don't even like much of his music, but he's so phenomenal in the talent department that he drives me that way.

Very much indeed. Another total irritant is that he is 5 foot 2 and has been bangin' supermodels by the hundreds for 25 years running.
Bastard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 11 Mar 2008, 12:00
Dude, I'm five foot one.

This portends well for my rock star future.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 11 Mar 2008, 12:13
Aki from Electric Eel Shock is around two foot three, and he is hands down the rockingest motherfucker in the known universe.

It bodes well, indeed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Mar 2008, 12:31
Bob Marley was 5'3.

I already hated Schecter, now they're on par with B.C. Rich in terms of retardation.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Mar 2008, 13:53
So, I just talked to one of these guys who my father knows, who plays guitar, and he says that trading in my 100 watt Fender FM212 DSP solid state (which is really freaking loud, more so than I need, but I don't like how it sounds) for that 40 watt Fender Hot Rod Deluxe is a really stupid idea.  He says I'll find out that it isn't loud enough to play over a band without pushing the amp.

Help?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 11 Mar 2008, 14:15
Save up another $100 and get a Hot Rod Deville 2x12 (60W) instead. More tube wattage than you'll ever need.

Though honestly 40 should be fine for small clubs and bars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Mar 2008, 14:18
A 2x12 would be nice, but I'm still getting around half the wattage I was before.  I've heard it said that tube watts are louder than solid state watts.  I am uncertain of the truth to this statement, however.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 11 Mar 2008, 14:18
Yeah, I'm not sure you need much more unless you're gonna play stadiums, large auditoriums, or large clubs...My 50 watt solid state can get really fucking loud when needed, loud enough to play over drums and bass.

I have also been told that tube wattage is louder than solid state wattage.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 11 Mar 2008, 14:31
Yeah you don't need many watts to get loud with a tube amp.

Unlike bass amps, where you need about a million watts just to get a tiny peep out of it.
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Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Mar 2008, 14:34
My 50 watt solid state can get really fucking loud when needed, loud enough to play over drums and bass.

Do you have to turn the volume up really high to do it?  I can get over drums and bass on my 100 watt at low to middle volumes.

Gargh...There's this thing I've been experiencing with the amp I have, and apparently the Hot Rod DeVille.  It's a loud popping noise when switching between channels.  Particularly from overdriven to clean.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 11 Mar 2008, 14:41
I have to crank the volume and probably add some gain (not so much that it distorts, but just to boost the volume, as that's the way my amp is), but it gets loud enough.  As far as tubes go my friend had a vintage Bassman head paired with a 2x12 cab.  It was only 50 watts, but it got HORRENDOUSLY LOUD.

Yeah you don't need many watts to get loud with a tube amp.

Unlike bass amps, where you need about a million watts just to get a tiny peep out of it.
awdlkfjsda;lfjksadf

My bass friend has a 400w Eden combo.  It's really small (2x10), cube-shaped, and HEAVY AS FUCK.  Thankfully we convinced him to put casters on it.

I think its this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Eden-DC210XLT-2x10-Metro-Bass-Combo-Amp?sku=485230) one or one similar to it.  400w, solid state or tube preamp.  It sounds great, and if turned up pretty much shakes my house free from its foundations.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 11 Mar 2008, 14:46
Man that amp is expensive though.

I have a 220w ampeg. It's not as nearly as loud as I'd like. Sounds great though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 11 Mar 2008, 15:00
In terms of dBs, tube amps are no louder than solid state. A watt is a watt. However, they possess a number of qualities that make them sound louder.

Tube amps compress the signal when overdriven and they add harmonics to the signal.

This post from TalkBass explains the following point better than I can.

Quote
If you put a 100 Watt tube amp on a test bench feeding an 8 Ohm resistor, the amp usually puts out a fairly clean signal up to about 100 Watts, then as you increase the power out, the signal distorts, as the sine wave tries to get bigger, it is softly sqashed, but still rounded. You can get up to 150 or more true measured Watts with the signal distorted like this (theoretical maximum 200 Watts for pure square wave). You can do the same thing with a 100 Watt solid state amp, but as the ouput power goes above 100 Watts, the peaks of the sine wave are chopped flat off, not softly squashed. This hard clip point is obvious and harsh when listening to it through speakers.

Basically, to your ear and to your audience's ears, tube amps sound way fucking louder.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Mar 2008, 15:03
So, in theory, a 60 watt 2x12 tube can reach up to 120 watts of output where as my 100 watt solid state will sound like shit at higher volumes?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 11 Mar 2008, 15:09
Precisely.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Mar 2008, 15:30
Haha guys my solid-state Marshall combo with a single 12" speaker can be heard perfectly over fucking thumping drums before I even turn it up past 2.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 11 Mar 2008, 15:54
I just went and tested my volume.  With the gain at 3 (where I keep it for clean stuff), bass at 10, mids at 10, treble at 8, reverb at 2.5, I cranked the volume to ten.  I was pretty sure that I could get over drums and bass in my practice space (aka basement), and probably in a small venue.  I then cranked the gain, which added some volume, but at that point my ears were ringing so I couldn't really judge how much of a boost it was. 

My amp is an old Traynor TS-50 solid state 1x12.  I love it to death.  Cleans are nice to my ear, especially since I add some depth with the built-in spring reverb tank, and with the gain up it can get some pretty good distortion.  With the gain up and bright switch on it gets nasty, cutting, searing distortion a la Shellac.  In fact, Bob Weston uses the bass head version.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 11 Mar 2008, 15:57
My guitar player plays this- http://www.music123.com/Fender-Jazzmaster-Ultralight-Amp-Head-480877-i1145468.Music123?cm_mmc=$(channel)$-_-Fender-_-Guitar%20Amplifiers%20and%20Effects-_-Fender%20Jazzmaster%20Ultralight%20Amp%20Head&source=ZWFRWXX&mr:trackingCode=9EA34430-EFED-DC11-AA92-001422107090&mr:referralID=NA

which, even though it's a single 12, is clear as hell and way loud enough to get over my uber-loud bass amp, which is this- http://www.theibanezstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=778&osCsid=e785eac79f7fca7e26efc66577e5dfe9

and a drummer bashing away on this-  http://www.zzounds.com/item--GRECCJ484  .  We play on very loud, but very tiny equipment.


Anybody looking for a great bass amp, or guitar amp, I highly recommend the aformentioned ones in this post. 

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Mar 2008, 16:20
Dude, I'm five foot one.

This portends well for my rock star future.

Marc Bolan!

Bob Marley was 5'3.

I already hated Schecter, now they're on par with B.C. Rich in terms of retardation.

Agreed.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Mar 2008, 16:20
Same here; my main amp is a 65 watt fender and with onboard volume, and the amp's gain on 10, my amp's volume only needs to be on 3, even with drums and stuff. To play lightly and still be heard I have to turn it up though.

Yeah. My MG has two channels, clean (no independent volume) and OD (OD has an independent volume and two distortion stages, but I haven't ever found a use for stage 2). With the clean channel's gain set to max, tube emulation on (I never turn it off), bass set to 5, mids to 10 and treble to 8, I only have to turn it to 2 on the master volume to be heard. In OD (first stage, like I said) I have the independent channel volume at max, gain is usually set to 2.5, EQ settings the same, and to be heard I'm just under 2 on the master volume. And I can hear myself no matter how lightly I want to play, even if I'm just noodling around.

Difficulty: getting bitchin' feedback at that low a volume. I can get it out of a semi-hollow easier than melting butter in the Sahara in July, but my SG or my Squier demand that the master volume be turned up at least to 2.5 or 3.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 11 Mar 2008, 16:36
I got a mid 70s Music Man 210 Sixty-Five with, surprise surprise, 2 10" speakers and 65 watts of power.  It's got two on positions: Low and High.  Low is plenty damn loud, and High is quite enough to be heard in any club.  And it only takes 1 or 2 preamp tubes, that's hybrid, but the output is two angry EL34s
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: roulettescars on 11 Mar 2008, 16:42
honestly, I don't know about where you all reside, but here it seems like too many bands live in this weird dream world where they're playing stadiums or something and feel the need to have full stacks to play little bar shows and stuff, when you could easily get by with a combo or something... but I guess rock and roll is about being loud, and excess (I.E. lugging around a bunch of unnecessary speaker cabinets.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 11 Mar 2008, 16:58
honestly, I don't know about where you all reside, but here it seems like too many bands live in this weird dream world where they're playing stadiums or something and feel the need to have full stacks to play little bar shows and stuff, when you could easily get by with a combo or something... but I guess rock and roll is about being loud, and excess (I.E. lugging around a bunch of unnecessary speaker cabinets.)
Honestly, if mine didn't have such great reverb and tremolo, I'd probably switch to something smaller.  I'm a firm believer in that the reason god invented PA's was so no one'd have to cart a fucking stack around. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Mar 2008, 17:14
honestly, I don't know about where you all reside, but here it seems like too many bands live in this weird dream world where they're playing stadiums or something and feel the need to have full stacks to play little bar shows and stuff, when you could easily get by with a combo or something

I understand what you mean. But I've got a good friend who played shows with his band, and he discovered that the crowd gets more riled up by seeing a full stack. He put it simply: "The amp rig should be taller than you."

He never so much as plugged in the second cab, heh.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 11 Mar 2008, 17:24
Is he in a metal band?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 11 Mar 2008, 17:27
Well, I've seen bands get away with a nice combo at the same club that J Mascis had 2 full Marshall stacks, so I guess it depends on just how much tinnitus you want to inflict on yr vic, uh, audience
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Mar 2008, 17:27
FireAarro: East Bay punk. He's got a Randall half-stack. Pretty bitchin' amp for some uses, not so hot for others. Does great for what he does with it though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 11 Mar 2008, 18:33
Bringing up gold for a second again:

(http://www.woodbrass.com/images/woodbrass/LPR7VOAGNH1.JPG)

opinions?
We were discussing gold hardware.  Goldtops are okay, but I'd strip one if I had it. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Mar 2008, 18:42
Could we please not quote pictures?  Or the post directly above you?

In the pictures case, you can do this:

Bringing up gold for a second again:


[Really sexy goldtop.]

opinions?
We were discussing gold hardware.  Goldtops are okay, but I'd strip one if I had it. 

Is it really too much to ask?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: pentaen on 11 Mar 2008, 19:56
this thread is easily going to be imortal, maybe it should become its own topic? that way we can put in guitar sub-topics ??
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 11 Mar 2008, 20:37
Goldtops aren't ugly, but definitely overrated. Just like the Cherry Sunburst finish on LPs.

They're no worse than any other finishes but I don't see what's so classic, elegant, or sexy about them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 11 Mar 2008, 21:16
I got the bridge adjusting allen wrench from the local guitar shop (that Ballard interns at) and my Jaguar sounds lovely again.

Anyone else have a Jag?  Any other types of offsets?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 11 Mar 2008, 22:42
I got the bridge adjusting allen wrench from the local guitar shop (that Ballard interns at) and my Jaguar sounds lovely again.

Anyone else have a Jag?  Any other types of offsets?
My tele style is has its wonderful cutaway and beautiful joint offset by the fact that I am now Hendrixing it.  :p

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4274/arrowtz8.th.jpg) (http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arrowtz8.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 11 Mar 2008, 22:44
Remember mate, don't quote the post directly above yours.

Also, that kinda bums me out. Why fuck up a perfectly good Tele? What does it even do?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 11 Mar 2008, 22:51
stuff
What?

Just cuz I said I'd strip one if I ever got another doesn't mean I don't wanna look at it again!  ;)












ps omg i'm so sorry for forgetting netiquette for a sec!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 11 Mar 2008, 22:52
@Ballard


What do you mean "what does it do?"

I'm playing it lefthanded now.  Look at where the strap is.

And it's not really "a perfectly good tele"; those don't tend to have minihumbuckers and all mahogany construction, do they?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 11 Mar 2008, 23:14
Oh, my mistake. I totally misunderstood your post the first time around.

Why does it look like you chopped off part of the cutaway though? Was that necessary to put the strap buttons on?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 11 Mar 2008, 23:21
Oh, my mistake. I totally misunderstood your post the first time around.

Why does it look like you chopped off part of the cutaway though? Was that necessary to put the strap buttons on?
No, I just have a fat strap covering it up. 

I'll dig out the camera and get some good pics and hosting and show the Arrow to you.

She's totally my baby  >__<

The piece of mahogany I had had a couple cracks thru it, so to get rid of as much of that as possible, the tele shape was necessary.  She's actually trimmed a wee bit on the non-cutaway bout side, a little more fluid shape to go with the dovetailed neck.  And she's got a great soft edge, really well rounded.  The really nice thing about playing her upside down is that I'd rather have my tuners on the other side when I'm playing lefty, *and* I don't really miss the high frets, rarely going above 15. 

Still, it's a real shame because I worked for hours to give her the best heel possible, and it's a cryin shame I don't rub my palm along it playing high solos anymore.  I guess I'll shut up now.

Oh, wait, no.  They're Dimarzios, the mini-HBs, and they are beautiful.  Also, Sperzels ftw
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 12 Mar 2008, 02:07
Anyone else have problems with their jag having a shit bridge. Cause i did, i have no idea why the decided to make such a shitty design for the bridge when there are plenty of others out there. Luckily it is easily fixed by getting a jagstang bridge or equivalent and putting in on. Makes playing it such a better experience.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 12 Mar 2008, 02:27
the jazzmaster/jaguar bridge was a rather cool idea that was massively fucked up in execution. It has multiple ridges so if you wanted to alter the spacing of your strings, you could, but it also made the strings pop out. This is why ever since the Mustang existed, you put a mustang bridge on your jaguar/jazzmaster
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Mar 2008, 04:30
The things I keep hearing are that the AVRI Jags/Jazzes doesn't have those buzzing problems very often, but the Japanese-made ones have huge problems with it because the grooves are way too small.

I, for one, plan on jacking my dad's lathe (god that thing is badass) and just making new saddles with wider spacing and deeper grooves. Only problem is that I'd have to also drill in the little screw holes for the allen wrench screws, and those things are tiny and require actually doing work.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 12 Mar 2008, 04:32
Yeah its a japanese one i have and it was bloody awful for it until i replaced the bridge. You could play it softly but you had to be really careful and it was no fun.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 12 Mar 2008, 05:30
Any other types of offsets?

Firebird. I played a sparkly Squier Jagmaster in a store once, though. Same general Jazz/jag shape. It felt pretty comfortable, but I'm a pretty large dude.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 12 Mar 2008, 05:41
My 5150 combo is really too much amp for most places I play. And it is 85lbs! But in 3 weeks I'm playing somewhere I know the PA and soundguy pretty well. I think I am going to rock the POD w/o the amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 12 Mar 2008, 07:16
Anyone else have problems with their jag having a shit bridge. Cause i did, i have no idea why the decided to make such a shitty design for the bridge when there are plenty of others out there. Luckily it is easily fixed by getting a jagstang bridge or equivalent and putting in on. Makes playing it such a better experience.

Yeah, I just have an allen wrench, I'll do the Mustang Bridge thing soon - anyone know where one could find them for cheap?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 12 Mar 2008, 07:27
http://www.warmoth.com/hardware/bridges/bridges.cfm?fuseaction=mustang_fixed

45 bucks. Doesn't seem too bad.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Mar 2008, 08:21
Screw that, get a roller tune-o-matic bridge (http://www.allparts.com/store/chrome-roller-tunematic,Product.asp) for an extra $5.

Only problem is that the mounting post spacing is a bit different. But there are tons of roller bridges on that site.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Mar 2008, 08:46
Oh also because I am too lazy to edit:

(http://a775.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/38/l_4582cfe07ab026a8857e3694d45d0fde.jpg)

As if Shakira wasn't hot enough, she plays Mustangs. Mustangs with rhinestones FUCKING EVERYWHERE.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Mar 2008, 08:53
I wonder how much it would be to build a Jazzmaster using parts off that site.  It didn't look like they carry those pickups, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Mar 2008, 09:32
www.seymourduncan.com
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Mar 2008, 10:12
Hooray!  That Jazzmaster pickup (http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/specialized/progressive/sjm2_hot_for_ja/) looks weird.  Like it's made out of aluminum instead of plastic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 12 Mar 2008, 10:33
Guys I recorded two songs with my bitchin' new Les Paul:

Droney thing (http://www.questionablecontent.net/gainangel.mp3)

indie-rock thing (http://www.questionablecontent.net/doodeedoo.mp3)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 12 Mar 2008, 11:20
Anyone else have problems with their jag having a shit bridge. Cause i did, i have no idea why the decided to make such a shitty design for the bridge when there are plenty of others out there. Luckily it is easily fixed by getting a jagstang bridge or equivalent and putting in on. Makes playing it such a better experience.

Yeah, I just have an allen wrench, I'll do the Mustang Bridge thing soon - anyone know where one could find them for cheap?
No, don't.
Just get the Mustang saddles, that's all you need and shouldn't set you back ten bucks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 12 Mar 2008, 12:41
Guys I recorded two songs with my bitchin' new Les Paul:
...
Nice. I suspect the Vatican has been put on high alert.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 12 Mar 2008, 14:32
Guys I recorded two songs with my bitchin' new Les Paul:

Droney thing (http://www.questionablecontent.net/gainangel.mp3)

indie-rock thing (http://www.questionablecontent.net/doodeedoo.mp3)


These are pretty awesome.

Especially the indie rock thing.

Start a band.  (or put these on the deathmole myspace, haha)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Mar 2008, 14:46
Jeph I don't like you anymore. Not unless we form a band right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 12 Mar 2008, 14:53
Guys I recorded two songs with my bitchin' new Les Paul:

Holy fucking clean tone, batman.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 12 Mar 2008, 15:11
You want clean tone?

http://www.myspace.com/kabirkumarmusic

First song (The Invisible Hand), recorded with da Jag.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Mar 2008, 15:27
Man I am having a hard time deciding which clean tone I like more, that Jag or my Squier. The Jag gives you almost a banjo-like "plunk!" but my Squier gives you a bright, shiny bell sound.

Jeph did I mention FUCK YOU
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 12 Mar 2008, 15:31
Well, it all depends on the circuit I use, that gives you the plunkin' and was probably the lead circuit with the strangle switch, but i can get an almost-acoustic like sheen to my sound on the rhythm circuit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 12 Mar 2008, 15:48
As if Shakira wasn't hot enough, she plays Mustangs. Mustangs with rhinestones FUCKING EVERYWHERE.
A music store near me has this picture covering an entire wall.
(http://www.merovingian.com.au/uploads/kt_tunstall.jpg)
It really makes me want a mirror firebird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 12 Mar 2008, 15:51
A *Non-Reverse Firebird.

Reverse Firebirds are the ones we know now, the original ones were offset.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Mar 2008, 16:04
[zztop]SHE'S GOT LEEEEEEGS[/zztop]
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 12 Mar 2008, 17:56
Man somebody needs to be punished for that headstock. That is just atrocious.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 12 Mar 2008, 19:55
A *Non-Reverse Firebird.

Reverse Firebirds are the ones we know now, the original ones were offset.
No, the originals were the "reverse" ones.  The "non-reverse" were the late-60s instruments that almost look like a normal guitar; the originals were the neckthru mini-explorer beauties of the early 60s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 12 Mar 2008, 20:30
I'm saying that because they STARTED OUT offset (or conventionally reverse), they are NOW reversed as compared to what they were at first.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 12 Mar 2008, 21:31
I'm saying that because they STARTED OUT offset (or conventionally reverse), they are NOW reversed as compared to what they were at first.
And you are wrong. 

The earliest Gibson Firebirds (The Firebird III, V, and VII) were the "reverse" ones with neckthru construction, then a few years later Gibson mirrored them to make "non-reverse" models with the tuners on the proper side and everything and they looked just like jazzmasters
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 12 Mar 2008, 21:50
Uh... it looks to me like you two are saying the same thing. He says the first ones were "reverse", so do you. He says that they were later reversed again, to look like conventional designs. So do you. Unless there are differences in the minutiae that I am missing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 12 Mar 2008, 21:52
The offset firebirds were the semi-normal looking "non-reverse", is, I think, the only necessary clarification. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 12 Mar 2008, 21:54
So... basically you are arguing over semantics? Because both of you still seem to be saying the same thing, no matter how often I read your posts.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 12 Mar 2008, 21:55
Oh.  Then peace all around and let's bask in the glory of the Firebird?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 12 Mar 2008, 22:01
Oh.  Then peace all around and let's bask in the glory of the Firebird?
There's a reason I put mini humbuckers in that tele i built 
:-D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 12 Mar 2008, 23:02
the jazzmaster/jaguar bridge was a rather cool idea that was massively fucked up in execution. It has multiple ridges so if you wanted to alter the spacing of your strings, you could, but it also made the strings pop out. This is why ever since the Mustang existed, you put a mustang bridge on your jaguar/jazzmaster

They're generally fine if you use heavy enough strings (remember Jazzmasters and Jaguars were invented when heavy flatwound strings were the norm), .011 is enough, .012 on Jags if you wanna be safe. You could also file your preferred groove in the saddle deeper, which ought to be really stable.

As if Shakira wasn't hot enough, she plays Mustangs. Mustangs with rhinestones FUCKING EVERYWHERE.
A music store near me has this picture covering an entire wall.
(http://www.merovingian.com.au/uploads/kt_tunstall.jpg)
It really makes me want a mirror firebird.

That's really hot. Shakira's Mustang looks like it would chafe.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 12 Mar 2008, 23:09
Man I am having a hard time deciding which clean tone I like more, that Jag or my Squier. The Jag gives you almost a banjo-like "plunk!" but my Squier gives you a bright, shiny bell sound.

Jeph did I mention FUCK YOU

Jaguar kicks your ass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Mar 2008, 03:51
I'm saying that because they STARTED OUT offset (or conventionally reverse), they are NOW reversed as compared to what they were at first.

Nah. The Non-Reverse were brought back by the Custom Shop a few years back, but they're not in production anymore. The normal "reverse" ones are still being churned out in Nashville.


(however, Eastwood does a nice version of a non-reverse)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Mar 2008, 07:29
You could also file your preferred groove in the saddle deeper, which ought to be really stable.

Just do your resale value a favour and buy a new bridge and file THAT down.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 13 Mar 2008, 08:08
You could also file your preferred groove in the saddle deeper, which ought to be really stable.

Just do your resale value a favour and buy a new bridge and file THAT down.
Why are you so paranoid about people making their instruments playable?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Mar 2008, 08:59
If they decide that it doesn't work, they're not only fucked, but they've destroyed a factory-original part on a $1400 guitar.

I mean, you can mod your expensive guitar all you want, but don't come crying about it if it doesn't work and you can't go back. Remember that Fender has a history of discontinuing some models for no good reason.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 13 Mar 2008, 09:15
Filing a saddle is a very basic and easy part of a setup.  Literally every guitar should have its bridge filed at least once.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Mar 2008, 10:25
As if Shakira wasn't hot enough, she plays Mustangs. Mustangs with rhinestones FUCKING EVERYWHERE.
A music store near me has this picture covering an entire wall.
(http://www.merovingian.com.au/uploads/kt_tunstall.jpg)
It really makes me want a mirror firebird.

That's a hideous guitar, and that picture is on the cover of an apallingly title album.

Album titles should not rhyme.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 13 Mar 2008, 14:55

That's a hideous guitar, and that picture is on the cover of an apallingly title album.

Album titles should not rhyme.

I guess you don't like Pavement then.

And Pat, it's only a 7 to 800 guitar if you're filing it down, the saddles on the Americans are stable, apparently.  My jaguar's is sometimes a pain.  She can take a beating though.

(Yes, liek ur mom)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Mar 2008, 15:27

That's a hideous guitar, and that picture is on the cover of an apallingly title album.

Album titles should not rhyme.

I guess you don't like Pavement then.

And Pat, it's only a 7 to 800 guitar if you're filing it down, the saddles on the Americans are stable, apparently.  My jaguar's is sometimes a pain.  She can take a beating though.

(Yes, liek ur mom)

Oh. Did you get it back!? Please say you did, I've been genuinely worried and appalled about what your parents did :(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 13 Mar 2008, 19:48
Not for good, my dad just keeps forgetting to take it back.  I only got my Jag back for "a day for practice", but he's lazy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 13 Mar 2008, 19:54
It really makes me want a mirror firebird.

It really makes me want K.T Tunstall <3
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 13 Mar 2008, 20:18
If they decide that it doesn't work, they're not only fucked, but they've destroyed a factory-original part on a $1400 guitar.

I mean, you can mod your expensive guitar all you want, but don't come crying about it if it doesn't work and you can't go back. Remember that Fender has a history of discontinuing some models for no good reason.

Seeing as a replacement bridge and the original part are identical, why not try it on the original first and buy a new one if you fuck it up? It's not like we're shooting for vintage-all-original value on a new guitar and a replaced bridge isn't going to reduce the value at all, might increase it if you put on a Mustang bridge due to the bad rep Jag and Jazz bridges get. And if we're talking CIJ, we're not talking $1400.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Mar 2008, 04:40
Some people still do it to their AVRI Jazz/Jags :\

One interesting thing I've noticed on those saddles... I was using my friend's bass (I have no idea who the hell made it) and it had Jag saddles on the bridge. I only had problems with bridge buzz on the G, and I actually kindof -liked- the sound.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Mar 2008, 12:05
Not for good, my dad just keeps forgetting to take it back.  I only got my Jag back for "a day for practice", but he's lazy.

Tantrums seem to be the way out here.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 14 Mar 2008, 22:20
Some people still do it to their AVRI Jazz/Jags :\

One interesting thing I've noticed on those saddles... I was using my friend's bass (I have no idea who the hell made it) and it had Jag saddles on the bridge. I only had problems with bridge buzz on the G, and I actually kindof -liked- the sound.
Yes, but the G on a bass is still bigger than any guitar string.
The saddle *design* is actually pretty interesting, but ultimately the execution is just off, even if y're not a wimp playing 9s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Mar 2008, 03:35
GUYS GUYS GUYS GUESS WHAT I PLAYED YESTERDAY.

(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/ichiban/images/gtr_Blk-ichiban.jpg)


(also one of those funky rectangular Danos)

(also Jon's Jackson Kelly)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Mar 2008, 07:41
The saddle *design* is actually pretty interesting, but ultimately the execution is just off, even if y're not a wimp playing 9s.

I can't help but wonder which specific strings are buzzing in each gauge that buzzes.

I would use 9s because of the sustain thing. Jags are supposed to have that very short banjo sustain, imho.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Mar 2008, 13:27

That's a hideous guitar, and that picture is on the cover of an apallingly title album.

Album titles should not rhyme.

I guess you don't like Pavement then.

1. HOLY SHIT! SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE PAVEMENT! Who cares, really? I have no strong feelings either way on Pavement, even if without them we wouldn't have Weezer or Blur's self titled album or whatever. I plan on looking into them, but not yet. 'Stereo' is a hell of a song, though.

2. I didn't say the album was shit, I said the album title was shit. The album might be the best thing ever in the world ever, but I couldn't care less about KT Tunstall and her album has a stupid name. And yes, that Pavement album may well be great, but it's still got a stupid name, just like, for example, virtually any self-titled album (with some notable exceptions).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 15 Mar 2008, 15:14
Got a Hagstrom Swede today for $500 at a local shop.  I heard of them online and didn't think anyone in my town would actually stock them, but the tiniest music shop had a full rack of them.  It seems a hell of a lot nicer than similarly priced epiphones, fenders, etc.  This one's really dark red, it looks a lot nicer than the pictures I've seen online.  First electrogutfiddle for me, I'm pretty pumped!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Mar 2008, 17:06
Just for the record, I have discovered that the Sheraton is not only an amazing studio instrument, but holy fuck I played an entire show on nothing but, and it has been determined by the masses (read: maybe 50 people at most) that it is an amazing guitar for shows.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 15 Mar 2008, 20:15
The saddle *design* is actually pretty interesting, but ultimately the execution is just off, even if y're not a wimp playing 9s.

I can't help but wonder which specific strings are buzzing in each gauge that buzzes.

I would use 9s because of the sustain thing. Jags are supposed to have that very short banjo sustain, imho.

Jags have short sustain regardless of what strings you use because of the short scale, light break angle over the bridge and tremolo tailpiece. If you used 9s on a Jag you'd probably get fret buzz, maybe poor tuning stability and a really slinky feel.

My Jag bridge pretty much works perfectly with no mods, except a thin layer of tape around the two bridge posts to keep the posts from buzzing against the bridge cups. My Casino tune-o-matic buzzes more, really....

Sheratons are sweet guitars, I was taking care of one for a while and it played and sounded pretty great.


I found some soundclips I recorded with my Jag a while ago. These were actually made to demonstrate the Boss RE-20 digital space echo thing.

http://media.putfile.com/Space-Echo---Chaos-Swirls-Clean-Jag
This one has the delay feedback right on the edge of self oscillation, you get all these swirly overtones under your sound.

http://media.putfile.com/Space-Echo---DubBoy-Jag
Just a silly reggae groove I whipped up on my Gameboy, I think the Jag character is quite audible here. Subtle echo, I demonstrate the "twist" function on the pedal in the middle of this clip somewhere but the echo volume wasn't up high enough to sound very crazy.

Excuse the sloppy playing. Recorded with an SM57 and a Traynor YVC40WR amp or whatever they call it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 16 Mar 2008, 01:19
2. I didn't say the album was shit, I said the album title was shit. The album might be the best thing ever in the world ever, but I couldn't care less about KT Tunstall and her album has a stupid name. And yes, that Pavement album may well be great, but it's still got a stupid name, just like, for example, virtually any self-titled album (with some notable exceptions).
It's not just "that" album, it's all the other ones, too
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Mar 2008, 14:44
http://gretschguitars.com/gear/index.php?product=G100BKCE&cat1=&cat2=&q=&st=1

I kinda really want one of those.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 16 Mar 2008, 14:51
Quote
Gear Search Results: [Left Hand Models]

No matching gear found.

Please try a different search.
Fucking Gretsch 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Mar 2008, 14:53
(http://www.espguitars.co.jp/edwards/original/E-ML-90LT.jpg)

Bring that weirdassed thing over to America, ESP.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 16 Mar 2008, 15:36
That Gretsch is ridiculously sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 16 Mar 2008, 16:14
GUYS GUYS

http://gretschguitars.com/gear/index.php?product=G6120-612&cat1=&cat2=&q=&st=1

(http://www.gretschguitars.com/repository/gretsch/images/G6120-612_md.jpg)

Gretsch answer to the EDS-1275? WIN. It's like saying "I could play Stairway if I wanted, but I'm not a little cunt, so here's some Byrds instead."

God I love the Byrds.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 16 Mar 2008, 16:22
Dear Gretsch,

Fuck you. Stop making me have to change my pants.

Yours sincerely,
Spluff.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 16 Mar 2008, 16:24
That is why I don't wear any pants.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 16 Mar 2008, 17:25
Have fun steaming THAT stain out of your carpet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 16 Mar 2008, 18:01
A while back, someone requested a clip of how my X-tone sounds clean:

http://download.yousendit.com/5E984C0747B03029 Here it is!
The playing is extremely sloppy, due to a bad hangover and not really having eaten enough today so my hands are shaky and fucked up.
Recorded without a metronome as well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 16 Mar 2008, 23:56
I know nothing about guitars. I just started learning to play yesterday, even though my Dad has played since before I was born. To speak in terms general, I'm thinking I eventually want a 12 string electric, and I thought I'd wanted a plexiglass body until I realized it would scratch all to heck. Plus, I don't actually know how a plexiglass body would affect the sound, I just thought it would look cool.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 17 Mar 2008, 00:39
Why do you want a twelve string? I mean, sure, I'd like one, but it'll never replace my 6 strings as my main guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 17 Mar 2008, 01:00
Why do you want a twelve string? I mean, sure, I'd like one, but it'll never replace my 6 strings as my main guitar.

i can't imagine why anyone would think of it as a replacement.

that said, i love mine.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 17 Mar 2008, 05:08
Plus, I don't actually know how a plexiglass body would affect the sound, I just thought it would look cool.

The only experience I have with them is knowing that the dudes from Fu Manchu play old Ampeg Dan Amstrongs pretty much exclusively, and I love their tone (though that may have to do with all the recockulous amounts of fuzz).

(http://www.fu-manchu.com/equipment/OriginalFiles/bobsguitars.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 17 Mar 2008, 05:33
I'm thinking I eventually want a 12 string electric

You're thinking correctly.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 17 Mar 2008, 07:23
and I thought I'd wanted a plexiglass body until I realized it would scratch all to heck. Plus, I don't actually know how a plexiglass body would affect the sound, I just thought it would look cool.

It's a pretty decent tone overall. Bright and punchy with dimed tone knobs. You lose surprisingly little tone quality considering the thing is made of science.

Guys if you want something equally tacky but less expensive, try Dillion's Crystal Series (http://dillionguitars.com/crystalseries/tunnel.html).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 17 Mar 2008, 10:54
Apparently, though, no one makes a 12 string with a clear body.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 17 Mar 2008, 11:08
That'd be a tad overkill.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 17 Mar 2008, 11:50
So guys, I'm thinking of taking my strat, and moding it so there'll be an extra switch that turns on the bridge pickup in series with whatever else is on (like with the extra switch on and the 5 way on position 1 the neck and bridges pickups would be on in series, where position 2 on the 5 way would have neck and mid in parallel with the bridge in series).  I'm thinking this would make for some interestingly awesome tones, especially the tele-like neck/bridge.  Anyone care to give some insight?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 17 Mar 2008, 12:21
(http://espguitars.co.jp/artist/ken_yokoyama/sukeroku_chs.jpg)

ESP apparently did a signature model for the dude from Hi-Standard. That's a hell of a nice looking ax.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 17 Mar 2008, 13:59
What's the general consensus on double neck 6/12's? Just to friggin' weird for the casual player, or awesome 2 for the price of 1 deal? Is this the wrong thread for this question?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 Mar 2008, 14:19
I've got a question about something that's been confusing me for a few days now.  When using any kind of effects pedal, a fuzz pedal, for instance, do you go from the guitar, into the pedal, then into the input on the amp, or the effects loop input if the amp has one?

Or is there something special that goes in there, like a loop station?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 17 Mar 2008, 15:10
You can go directly from guitar - pedal - amp.

I have not had experience with an amp that has an effects loop.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 Mar 2008, 15:23
Yeah, that's what I used to do with my other amp, before I blew it.  The one I have now, though, sounds like it's being played in a really big room from really far away when I use my pedal with it.  However, when I have one channel set to clean, and the other set to overdrive, and I switch between them while playing, it makes this really loud and really annoying popping noise.  So, I really am never satisfied with it.

What's the general consensus on double neck 6/12's? Just to friggin' weird for the casual player, or awesome 2 for the price of 1 deal? Is this the wrong thread for this question?

I wouldn't say "weird."  "Unnecessary" is more like it.  If you're buying an electric guitar, and you want it to sound like a twelve string, you could buy a regular six string and use a chorus effect.  It'd save you an assload of money if you're just going to play casually.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 17 Mar 2008, 15:49
It's not the same thing, though. Sure, it works for the E and B strings, because with those two pairs, that's all it really is anyway, just a natural chorus. With the other 4 pairs, though, it's octaves, and it makes for stunningly beautiful lead/rhythm lines like (as I've said) the Byrds.

Seriously is there a guitarist anywhere in the world as underrated as the dude who played that 12-string for them?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 17 Mar 2008, 16:41
You can go directly from guitar - pedal - amp.

I have not had experience with an amp that has an effects loop.

i tried the "fuzz in the effects loop" thing thing back around '84 with the opamp version of the EH Muff Fuzz using a then-new Fender Twin Reverb II.

NOT A GOOD IDEA. :lol:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 17 Mar 2008, 19:15
It's not the same thing, though. Sure, it works for the E and B strings, because with those two pairs, that's all it really is anyway, just a natural chorus. With the other 4 pairs, though, it's octaves, and it makes for stunningly beautiful lead/rhythm lines like (as I've said) the Byrds.

Seriously is there a guitarist anywhere in the world as underrated as the dude who played that 12-string for them?
There's a lot of fans of Roger McGuinn, but he kinda deserves being underrated. 

I mean, in the late 60s, he invited Clarence White into the band.   You *have* to take the backseat to Clarence White on six-string.  It's the law in six states!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 17 Mar 2008, 19:50
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Limited-Edition-Wilshire-Electric-Guitar?sku=518527)

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/4/1/550741.jpg)

DO WANT, DO VERY MUCH MOTHERFUCKING WANT OMG

DAMN MY LACK OF EMPLOYMENT/DISPOSABLE FUNDS

OMG
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 17 Mar 2008, 20:18
..What?

My local music store had possibly the nastiest Epi known to man until just a few months ago: a banana yellow Epi strat rip-off from the late 80s/early 90s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 17 Mar 2008, 20:21
Man awesome. All they need now is to reissue the Coronet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 17 Mar 2008, 21:32
Holy crap!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 17 Mar 2008, 21:39
The first thing I thought when I saw that guitar was 'Ew'.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 17 Mar 2008, 22:43
I am currently sitting here with my brand new spangly Gibson SG Special Faded on my lap, unable to stop playing AC/DC riffs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 17 Mar 2008, 23:07
So guys, I'm thinking of taking my strat, and moding it so there'll be an extra switch that turns on the bridge pickup in series with whatever else is on (like with the extra switch on and the 5 way on position 1 the neck and bridges pickups would be on in series, where position 2 on the 5 way would have neck and mid in parallel with the bridge in series).  I'm thinking this would make for some interestingly awesome tones, especially the tele-like neck/bridge.  Anyone care to give some insight?
Be careful.  Turning off pickups in series can be a PITA.  Draw up a schematic before you do it. 

As far as what it'll sound like, lemme get a new neck put on my now 2-p/u Strat and I'll tell you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Mar 2008, 00:44
When I saw that Epi, I not only came, but I was just like "Holy shit in a bag that has got to be the raddest neck on earth." I am in love.

Best part: Musician's Friend has them for like $250. DANO HAS COMPETITION OH SHI----

Also, this deserves special mention:

I am currently sitting here with my brand new spangly Gibson SG Special Faded on my lap

Oh FUCK yes
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 18 Mar 2008, 01:33
Now you make me want one even more. And I cannot even come close to being able to afford it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Mar 2008, 01:45
Why do you want a twelve string? I mean, sure, I'd like one, but it'll never replace my 6 strings as my main guitar.

Oh man 12-string guitars are such amazing-sounding instruments. Have you never heard the live version of "Stairway"? When Page switches to the neck pickup on the 12-srting half of that EDS-1275, it's still one of the most hauntingly beautiful guitar sounds I've ever heard. Switch to both pickups and you'll get a sparkling Byrds-esque sound, and with the bridge pickup... well, I never tried it when I played the 1275 I played. Never needed to.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 18 Mar 2008, 02:49
Yeah, they're awesome. I have a tendency to get stuck in music stores playing them for an hour or so.

But as your first guitar?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 18 Mar 2008, 03:09
That's why I was thinking a double neck would be cool. There're 3 guitars in our household already (though I only feel comfortable borrowing one of my dad's 2, rather than my brother's 1), and if I got electric, it'd be the first in the house. I'm sure as soon as I get a guitar of my own, it'd just be a little awkward to keep borrowing others', so I'd be down to what I own myself. Double neck is the ultimate 2 for 1, plus you can play those songs that transition between 6 and 12 without trouble. Now if I only had another pair of arms, I could be half a band!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: pinkpiche on 18 Mar 2008, 04:25
So... What's the deal with Gibson Robot?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 18 Mar 2008, 04:47
I think we had a whole thread dedicated to that.

We decided it sucked ass because it eliminates witty stage banter.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 18 Mar 2008, 04:58
Guys what do you think of this (http://www.gibson.com/en%2Dus/divisions/gibson%20usa/products/gotm/sg%20diablo%20month%2011/)?

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/5/3/550353.jpg)

I like it but I suspect you guys will hate it, but that's because deep in your hearts you actually hate rock n roll.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 18 Mar 2008, 05:10
I would take a Standard or Special Faded over it anyday.

But hey, it's still a fuckin' SG. If it whistles your tickle then go for it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 18 Mar 2008, 05:11
That's why I was thinking a double neck would be cool. There're 3 guitars in our household already (though I only feel comfortable borrowing one of my dad's 2, rather than my brother's 1), and if I got electric, it'd be the first in the house. I'm sure as soon as I get a guitar of my own, it'd just be a little awkward to keep borrowing others', so I'd be down to what I own myself. Double neck is the ultimate 2 for 1, plus you can play those songs that transition between 6 and 12 without trouble. Now if I only had another pair of arms, I could be half a band!

Except... well, you'll look like a bit of a dick playing that guitar the ENTIRE time, especially when you're not using its second neck about 80% of the time, and it's massive, heavy and annoying to transport.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 18 Mar 2008, 05:16
That silver SG is an eyesore.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 18 Mar 2008, 06:33
re: double neck, carry one around for a while before you buy. Your back may thank you later. Also it would help to be Shiva. (http://capn-special.livejournal.com/99145.html)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Mar 2008, 07:40
and it's massive, heavy and annoying to transport.

When did you turn into such a WOMAN Gaz

Besides, when I played that one 1275, it was really no heavier than a Les Paul. It was just a slightly wider (read: wide as a 335) body with two necks. So it balances like a fucking whale on stilts, but it's really not THAT bad.

As far as playability and awkwardness goes, it's really not bad at all. The pickups of any guitar I play are normally right above mah wang anyway, and so as a result, the 12-string's pickups will end up about where your bellybutton is. I've got a suede strap that I use for my SG (God damn that strap is a perfect match for that guitar) and if you get one of those for a 1275 it'll be just as sexy.

Just do yourself a favor and get strap locks, just like any other guitar. If that strap button ever manages to come loose, that guitar may not be Mike Tyson but it is pretty chunky and will be a lot harder to keep from smashing into the ground.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 18 Mar 2008, 14:34
and it's massive, heavy and annoying to transport.

When did you turn into such a WOMAN Gaz

Besides, when I played that one 1275, it was really no heavier than a Les Paul.

Les Pauls are stupidly heavy as well. And I turned into a woman when I had to spend the last three years on pain medication for back issues - and yes, I thought Les Pauls were too heavy before the injury.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 18 Mar 2008, 15:42
You guys are wussies.

My bass is bubinga wood. That wood is fucking heavy.

Also that SG is very ugly. SGs are supposed to be red or shit brown.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Mar 2008, 17:04
Les Pauls are stupidly heavy as well. And I turned into a woman when I had to spend the last three years on pain medication for back issues - and yes, I thought Les Pauls were too heavy before the injury.

Well, yeah, but just 'cause it's heavy to you doesn't mean it should stop everybody ever from buying them. *shrug*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 18 Mar 2008, 17:06
And these days, the new ones have chambered bodies anyway, right? How heavy are those?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 18 Mar 2008, 18:56
And these days, the new ones have chambered bodies anyway, right? How heavy are those?

Ridiculously light. It just feels wrong to me, honestly, but I'm one of those crazy fucks that actually LIKE the weight of a good Les Paul.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 18 Mar 2008, 19:05
I am used to a strat, I imagine the old kind of les paul would feel kinda heavy. And, I am a wimp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 18 Mar 2008, 19:10
Guitars should be heavy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 18 Mar 2008, 19:58
Nah. Even wrapped in duct tape (and I think I might add more, in different colors), my Squier is hell of light.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 18 Mar 2008, 22:40
Yeah, I was hanging out at a luthier buddy's of mine this eve.  He's got a (future) Les Paul body laying around, and fuck, thing must weigh fifteen pounds.  Granted, one or two of those will be routed and sanded off, but there's not even a neck yet. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 19 Mar 2008, 01:57
My Danelectro weighs nothing and it is pretty awesome except for when I am at my friend's house and I play it and then I play his LP and I am like FUCK SO HEAVY
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 19 Mar 2008, 04:48
Guitars should be heavy.

I agree here, but it relates very much to strap height.
I hang my Les Pauls low. Like James-Freakin'-Hetfield-Low. When they're down there, they need to weigh half a ton in my opinion.

Whenever I play something at chest height, I prefer it to be light though.
I can easily imagine having a Les Paul above waist line will be painful. I've never tried.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Mar 2008, 05:25
I saw a band called Everybody Out! this past weekend, and their guitarist hangs his LP so low, he has to pick up around the 14th and 15th frets, so's he doesn't thwack the pickup selector.

It looked pretty ridiculous, and really, I can't see how that'd be comfortable at all.

(Of course, they were opening for Dropkick Murphys, and I'd be hard pressed not to mention Ken Casey and his low-slung P-Bass. There's a bit in the "State of Massachusetts" video where he kinda hunches over, and it looks like the bass is down around his ankles.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 19 Mar 2008, 05:28
Okay, that is quite excessive, plus it must sound muddy as all hell :S

I can still play comfortably with the strings a good couple of inches below belt level. Long arms ftw!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 19 Mar 2008, 05:30
I have my Strat slung at pretty much exactly waist level.  It's super comfy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 19 Mar 2008, 05:32
Plus, that's where a strat looks best. People hanging strats super-low should be shot on sight.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 19 Mar 2008, 05:33
Yeah, the only thing that it's alright to hang super low is a BC Rich, and thats because it cannot possibly look any worse than it already does.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 19 Mar 2008, 05:38
Meh. I have an insanely long torso but my arms are really only normal length. I just wear the thing where it feels comfortable and forget about what it looks like.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Mar 2008, 05:39
Okay, that is quite excessive, plus it must sound muddy as all hell :S

Yeah, but punk bands aren't usually known for amazingly clean tones anyway.

Yeah, the only thing that it's alright to hang super low is a BC Rich, and thats because it cannot possibly look any worse than it already does.

And risk castration?!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 19 Mar 2008, 05:47
over the years, It's become more of a feel thing for me. I started out wanting to look cool, as with everyone else.

However, in the last few years I've started going to two extremes; super-high or super-(ish)-low.

When I have it low, it feels more "right" for the rockin' stuff, since I like the fact that I can really beat the shit out of it, and put pretty much the entire body in to my playing. It's more intuitive, I guess.

When I have it high, it's for the technical stuff, plus it's kinda necessary with the 7-string, since I have fairly smalle hands.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 19 Mar 2008, 05:57
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However, in the last few years I've started going to two extremes; super-high or super-(ish)-low.
-
Billy Bragg says
Quote
there are two ways to wear your guitar, under your bollocks or under your chin to look like a prat
(from memory, might be inaccurate)
I'm gonna disagree and go with neither though...
(http://www.prosouthpromotions.com/multimedia/photos/events/031508R3V3RB/R3V3RB_042.jpg)

This pic is kind of misleading as those suspender britches come up kind of high like real old men wear. They aren't under-my-armpits-old-man-style, but the nitefly is kind of on my hip there. Ouch almost backed into that light saber someone left unattended... :lol:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 19 Mar 2008, 06:04
I don't mind looking like a prat. I AM one after all, so it's only natural, I suppose.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 19 Mar 2008, 06:47
Bass is of course a whole different kettle of fish but I think if I played guitar I'd still have the guitar disconcertingly high. I find it easier to play and I prefer the way it looks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 19 Mar 2008, 09:10
I have to wear mine pretty low if I'm playing righthanded, and pretty high if I'm playing left.  Different strokes for the same folks. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Mar 2008, 10:10
Guitars should be heavy.

I agree here, but it relates very much to strap height.
I hang my Les Pauls low. Like James-Freakin'-Hetfield-Low. When they're down there, they need to weigh half a ton in my opinion.

Whenever I play something at chest height, I prefer it to be light though.
I can easily imagine having a Les Paul above waist line will be painful. I've never tried.

Actually it'll be worse for your back the lower you have it, so more logical would be having the lighter guitars lower and the heavier guitars higher - if you care about that sort of thing.

I have my guitars at about waist level, because that's where it's most comfortable for both my back and my arms. Having it lower for most people is very much style over substance and most people I know who wear it that low are pop-punk guitarists who can't play for shit (note: THESE THINGS ARE PREDOMINANTLY UNRELATED).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 19 Mar 2008, 12:19
I play my bass pretty high; but, I play with my fingers instead of a pick, and I use the whole neck.  I was taught to play with VERY traditional technique.  I stray from it sometimes (for instance I play with my left hand fingers curled like a guitar player instead of flat like most jazz guys), but the position is just so much more comfortable and everything is more accessible.  I am about medium with a guitar.   I have never had the desire to sling a guitar or a bass low and have to lean over to be able to reach the strings (I'm looking at you Korn kids- blech).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 19 Mar 2008, 12:29
Guitars should be heavy.
Whenever I play something at chest height, I prefer it to be light though.
I can easily imagine having a Les Paul above waist line will be painful. I've never tried.

It's a little weird, but you get used to it. I'm apparently too tall and broad shouldered for regular-length guitar straps. One of these days I'm just gonna buy an old seatbelt cable and make my own.

My PRSes hang just right with a regular strap, with the top of the guitar not quite clearing the top of my hipbones. Perfect balance of fretboard access and not looking like a prog-rock/Tom Morello douchebag.

One thing I've been doing for the past couple years is holding the guitar classical-style, on my left knee instead of my right, when playing seated. It's so much fucking easier to play this way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Mar 2008, 12:37
Yeah, I've been going left knee for a few months. Pretty nice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 19 Mar 2008, 14:33
One thing I've been doing for the past couple years is holding the guitar classical-style, on my left knee instead of my right, when playing seated. It's so much fucking easier to play this way.
Yeah, i have noticed that. I was fine playing with it on the right, until I started playing ode to joy, lowest fret I had to finger was the tenth, my left leg kept getting in the way if I had it on my right leg.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 19 Mar 2008, 16:16
My Danelectro weighs nothing and it is pretty awesome except for when I am at my friend's house and I play it and then I play his LP and I am like FUCK SO HEAVY

You are a tiny little person anyway.

I have always played with my guitar on my right thigh just because, well, it seemed the best place to play it. It's really awkward to reach the frets near the nut if it's on the other knee.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Mar 2008, 09:08
Multipost but I don't care.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2638.jpg)

I love being a tall dude. It's nice to play a Sheraton and not have it look like I'm playing Daddy's guitar or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Mar 2008, 09:18
That is a gorgeous guitar, Patrick.  I envy you so hard right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Mar 2008, 09:23
Don't, I have to give it back.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Mar 2008, 09:24
Lame!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 20 Mar 2008, 15:28
I have always played with my guitar on my right thigh just because, well, it seemed the best place to play it. It's really awkward to reach the frets near the nut if it's on the other knee.
I haven't noticed that, personally. But then again, I have disproportionately long arms. I usually play on my right knee, but when I know I am going to have to play up past the ninth fret, I switch.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 20 Mar 2008, 16:53
I spent at least half my time up above the 10th fret, and I've never really noticed any difference between left or right leg. Weird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 20 Mar 2008, 17:05
I got a Valve Jr today for a bill.

It does indeed rawk.

That is all
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 20 Mar 2008, 19:35
I spent at least half my time up above the 10th fret, and I've never really noticed any difference between left or right leg. Weird.
My legs usually end up being angled up as well, unless the chair is adjustable. That could have to do with it. Also the model, what model is your guitar?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 20 Mar 2008, 22:55
This double neck looks awesomazing to me. I particularly like the abalone inlay, but I don't know much about guitars. Is it awesomazing (in more than looks)? I was thinking of asking how much it weighs.
Oh, that's how you mess around with the text that appears as a link. (http://cgi.ebay.com/DOUBLENECK-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-NEW-BLACK-w-DOUBLE-SET-NECK_W0QQitemZ370033121351QQihZ024QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
(Its just too bad I wouldn't be able to fit one of those robotic tuners between the heads.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 20 Mar 2008, 23:44
Remember: robot tuners make you LAZY.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 21 Mar 2008, 00:40
I've never heard of Davison guitars, and honestly, I wouldn't buy a no name brand from ebay. I'd want to play it first.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Mar 2008, 03:51
I've never heard of Davison guitars, and honestly, I wouldn't buy a no name brand from ebay. I'd want to play it first.

Seconded. If you buy that, I will hunt you down and break your fingers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 21 Mar 2008, 08:42
Oh, that's how you mess around with the text that appears as a link.[/url]

Details, please.  I have been trying to do this for a while, and haven't yet figured it out.  (Don't tell anybody, or I will lose my hacker cred.)

Thanks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Mar 2008, 09:40
Remember: robot tuners make you a tone-deaf asshole who shouldn't be playing guitar anyway

Details, please.  I have been trying to do this for a while, and haven't yet figured it out.  (Don't tell anybody, or I will lose my hacker cred.)

Are you kiiiiiiiiidding

Code: [Select]
[url=www.url.com]text lol[/url]
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 21 Mar 2008, 10:09
Well, crapnolia.  That's what I get for trying to make it difficult. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 21 Mar 2008, 12:03
After posting, I found a customer review of the guitar. It scored well (mostly). The buyer also really liked the appearance, and gave it a rave review. Problem is he gave the sound quality a 2 out of 10. Replace the hardware (as the other buyer planned)?
Probably shouldn't bother.

This is an example link. It is probably the least useful link you will ever see on the internet. You'll like this site, but you probably know the url already. (http://www.google.com)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 21 Mar 2008, 15:26
So, because I will be getting a Mandolin in the near future, would you  dudes say that this would be a good idea?
(http://www.samash.com/images/items/ctm002xxx.jpg)
http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?SKU=CTM002XXX (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?SKU=CTM002XXX)
For $80, I think it's a pretty awesome deal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Mar 2008, 15:58
Just buy the same gauge strings every time you need to re-string her. I hate it when people buy fixed-bridge instruments and then they put lighter-gauge strings on it and they complain "omg my instrument haz terrible intonation wtf this is a piece of shit" and give it a terrible rating on every site they find.

Also, play it before you buy it, especially at that price. God knows where they made it. Humidity can wreak havoc on an unfinished instrument.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 21 Mar 2008, 16:34
Mandolins are so cheap, that even if it turns out to be not what you want it can likely be worth every penny. You can always sell it on.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 21 Mar 2008, 17:35
So, because I will be getting a Mandolin in the near future, would you  dudes say that this would be a good idea?
(http://www.samash.com/images/items/ctm002xxx.jpg)
http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?SKU=CTM002XXX (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?SKU=CTM002XXX)
For $80, I think it's a pretty awesome deal.

Hmm if you buy a $80 mandolin it might very well turn out crap. I bought a AU$90 one or something (or was it AU$190?) and it kinda blows. But most mandolins I've played are pretty hard to play anyway. Those strings really eat up your fingers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 21 Mar 2008, 18:14
Just buy the same gauge strings every time you need to re-string her. I hate it when people buy fixed-bridge instruments and then they put lighter-gauge strings on it and they complain "omg my instrument haz terrible intonation wtf this is a piece of shit" and give it a terrible rating on every site they find.

Okay the Dano has a fixed bridge and I don't know what size the strings are halp
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 21 Mar 2008, 19:21
Well, even if it does turn out to be a bad investment, I'm really just looking for something to practice on until I can get a nice one, and $80 is a pretty small amount for a new instrument. 

Incidentally, the last time I had to restring my acoustic, I messed around with the tunings until i had the equivalent of a mandolin with 6 strings (doubled on the 1st and 6th strings with the 2nd and 5th).  It actually had a pretty interesting sound cause I could leave the first and last strings open with other stuff.  It was cool, I named it the Mandotar tuning.  I think it was:

g g d' a'  e" e"

If you have to change strings anyway, try it out
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 21 Mar 2008, 20:35
So I went to Guitar Center for the first time as a guitar player (I'm sure I've mentioned I've been playing only 6 days). I'd been there before with my dad and was bored out of my skull. Now, it's a magical wonderland. I've now tried a 12/6 double neck electric, and have fallen in love. I don't want to compromise on quality. I'll probably (eventually) get a guitar from them, rather than following my above mentioned hair-brained ebay scheme.
Also basses are weird instruments, in a cool way. If I had to play bass, I'd want to try to learn on a 6 string fretless. Of course, I'm sure fretlessness would have to affect intonation. I'd have to hear what it sounds like. Plus, the combination of 6 string fretless, like the combination of 12 string clear body (or, my personal holy grail, the double neck clear body, if it doesn't negatively affect sound too much), is probably nonexistant or at least very rare.

I'm using the word 'affect' a lot.

Mandolins are so cheap, that even if it turns out to be not what you want it can likely be worth every penny. You can always sell it on.
Not if you smash it at the end of a performance.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 21 Mar 2008, 20:41
I am enamored of double-neck bass/guitar combos.  I love the lawsuit Ibanez that the bassist/guitarist/vocalist from Boris uses, and he also has a weird headless one that looks cool.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 21 Mar 2008, 21:08
Yeah, those things are pretty awesome, but the cooler thing is definitely that Guitar/Bass combo that has one neck I posted earlier in the thread.  Let me see if I can find it...
EDIT:
(http://www.microphoneheaven.com/guitarbass4.jpg)
Yeah, that thing is crazy go nuts right there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 21 Mar 2008, 21:45
Thats cool, but it seems like it would only be practical for tapping.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 21 Mar 2008, 23:34
Yeah, those things are pretty awesome, but the cooler thing is definitely that Guitar/Bass combo that has one neck I posted earlier in the thread.  Let me see if I can find it...
EDIT:
(http://www.microphoneheaven.com/guitarbass4.jpg)
Yeah, that thing is crazy go nuts right there.

(http://b0.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00127/02/95/127345920_l.jpg)

quite a large piece of wood there...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 21 Mar 2008, 23:35
They could've used that wood to make something useful.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 21 Mar 2008, 23:40
Now that wouldn't be good for your back.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 22 Mar 2008, 00:24
Multipost but I don't care.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2638.jpg)

I love being a tall dude. It's nice to play a Sheraton and not have it look like I'm playing Daddy's guitar or something.

I really need a semi-hollow to go with my Jaguar.  Preferably a Gibson ES-series (BUT I CAN'T FUCKING AFFORD THAT NOW CAN I BLARHA)

Vampire Weekend style there, Pat?

How does she play?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 22 Mar 2008, 08:50
If you really need a semi-hollow, epi dots are pretty much the best guitar for the money epiphone makes...  actually probably the best guitar they make up until you start getting into stuff that costs twice as much.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 22 Mar 2008, 10:55
So I went to Guitar Center for the first time as a guitar player (I'm sure I've mentioned I've been playing only 6 days).
Guitar Center sucks. It's the Walmart of guitar stores. Support local [guitar] businesses!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 22 Mar 2008, 11:54
Now that wouldn't be good for your back.
Hell, John McLaughlin's custom doubleneck weighed just over thirty (30) pounds!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 22 Mar 2008, 13:36
So I went to Guitar Center for the first time as a guitar player (I'm sure I've mentioned I've been playing only 6 days).
Guitar Center sucks. It's the Walmart of guitar stores. Support local [guitar] businesses!
My brother works at WalMart. Not to go into a Walmart discussion (so try to resist urges to respond to this unless you really have to), They get benefits far earlier than my unioned Albertsons.

enough of that. Sorry. But trying other stores does sound like a lot of fun. I wonder, though, how many local stores would stock double neck electrics? GC only had one, though I know that's not necessarily an indication.

But any enthusiast has got to drool when confronted with that many guitars. Especially when at the first time as an enthusiast.

Chocolate chocolate chocolate.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Mar 2008, 16:57
(fixed-bridges, different string gauges, intonation issues)

Okay the Dano has a fixed bridge and I don't know what size the strings are halp

Try .009s, if that doesn't work move to .010s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 22 Mar 2008, 17:02
You Americans are lucky, we don't have big guitar chains like Guitar Center. It is fucking difficult to find good selections of guitars where I live.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Mar 2008, 18:57

I wonder, though, how many local stores would stock double neck electrics? GC only had one, though I know that's not necessarily an indication.

man what is it about you getting such boners for double necks?

-veep
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Mar 2008, 19:11
So, today, I went and put a down payment on this. (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Hot-Rod-DeVille-410?sku=480508)  I've got about eight hundred dollars left to pay, and I'm about halfway there already.

EDIT - Link should be fixed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 22 Mar 2008, 19:41
Got an invalid item number man
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 22 Mar 2008, 19:50
(psst he got a 4x10 Deville)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Mar 2008, 20:44
Yeah.  I would kind of have to, since I'm trading in my current amp towards it.

Also, I played this Guild semi-hollow today, with alnico humbuckers and holy crap, it sounded amazing.  It also seemed like it was louder than a solid body.  Would the reason for that be the pickups having a higher output than the other guitars (A Strat with single coils and a Tele with P-90s) or does the sound get picked up better or something because of the body?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 22 Mar 2008, 21:27
the semi-hollow body kinda acts like soundholes on an acoustic, amplifying the guitar's natural sound.

That said, i saw a dude busking yesterday with a fucking Guild Starfire, and another dude with a really nice Gibson acoustic. SIRS YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Mar 2008, 22:05
Yeah, you're supposed to do it with a ten year old Yamaha with holes where the pick guard should be and a missing B string.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 23 Mar 2008, 08:30
Yeah, you're supposed to do it with a ten year old

Dude, that is DISGUSTING.

Once, after an SF Giants game (where we lost and there was dog shit everywhere because of it was Dog Day Afternoon at Pac Bell Park), there was a guy near the parking lot playing some blues licks with an amp. Yep.

Nothign like playing the "Giants lost and there's dog shit everywhere" blues...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 23 Mar 2008, 11:18
Heck, in downtown Sai Gon there's all kinds of old ladies walking around with cheap strat copies and tiny battery amps playing terrible, terrible, terrible music. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 23 Mar 2008, 18:56
DREAM SET UP TIME:

Fender '63 Vintage Jazzmaster/1965 Gibson Firebird III
ProCo Rat w/ Keeley Mod
EHX Memory Man
EHX Holy Grail Plus
EHX Big Muff
Vintage TubeScreamer
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe Amp

My birthday's in July.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Mar 2008, 20:21
You'd need all those fuzz pedals?  I just want a BYOC Mighty Mouse, now, because of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz1ncDWH8r4&feature=related) video.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 23 Mar 2008, 20:56
There aren't any fuzz pedals in that list, actually.

The Tube Screamer is a tube overdrive simulator, and the Big Muff and ProCo RAT 2 are distortion pedals.

Fuzz is a whole 'nother circuit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Mar 2008, 21:00
Well, yeah, I knew the Tube Screamer was an overdrive, but the Big Muff isn't a fuzz?  What?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 23 Mar 2008, 22:49
Nobody else with their dream setups?  I might include a few more guitars in that, maybe a '58 Tele and a Ric something or other.

But GUYZ THE RAT IS SO LOVELY WITH THE JAG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 24 Mar 2008, 01:43
The problem (for me, anyway) with dream setups is that I haven't actually played most of the gear I would like to have, only from hearsay from other players/what I hear on records I like. But I'll take a stab at it.

Geetars (maybe just one or two of these):
Fender Lead II (already have, yay)
Epiphone Coronet/Wilshire/Whatever model it is
Rickenbacker 370
Fender Mustang
Fender Jaguar
Epiphone Casino/Gibson 330
Gretsch Country Gentleman/Eastwood Classic Six
Univox Hi-Flyer
Kustom K-200A

Effex (most, if not all of these)
Moog Moogerfooger Ring Modulator
Vox Wah Pedal
Boss Bass Synthesizer
Akai E2 Headrush Delay (Look Ma, I'm Ian Williams! Except I can't finger-tap!)
Electro-Harmonix Memory Man (Look Ma, I'm The Edge!)
ProCo Rat 2
Volume Box (Like a volume pedal, but with a footswitch and volume knob instead of a rocker pedal)

Ampz (Probably only one of these)
Mesa/Boogie Mark I
Orange Rockerverb 50 Combo
Sovtek MIG-50 w/ 1 or 2X12" cab
Hiwatt Hi-Gain 50W Combo or DR-103 w/ 1 or 2X12" cab
Silvertone 1484 Twin-Twelve

Yeah, my wishlist is huge.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 24 Mar 2008, 05:22
Now that wouldn't be good for your back.
Hell, John McLaughlin's custom doubleneck weighed just over thirty (30) pounds!

Except when there aren't any. GC has put them out of business. It IS the WalMart. I live in the 12th largest city in America and my choices are Sam Ash and Guitar Center.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 24 Mar 2008, 05:32
My dream setup is pretty simple:

Guitar(s): Hagstrom Viking Deluxe

Effects: ProCo TurboRAT
Boss DD-20 or Akai Headrush Delay pedal
Some kind of Compressor/Sustainer

Amp: VOX AC100
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 24 Mar 2008, 05:34
DREAM SET UP TIME:

'72 Tele Thinline RI
Fatdawg Tele Deluxe clone
LTD PB-500 (transparent blue kthx)
Gretsch '62 Duo Jet RI
Eastwood Ichiban
Gibson ES-335
Fender Jazzmaster (any year)
Ampeg AMG100 Dan Armstrong

Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (and matching 1x12 cab)
Vox AC15CC

E-H Big Muff
MXR Phase 100
MXR Distortion +
Boss DD3 Digital Delay
Dunlop CryBaby
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 24 Mar 2008, 07:39
Carvin BB75
Douglas WPB-955T
Fender Aerodyne Jazz
Peavey Cirrus 4 Tiger Eye Quilt Top

Carvin BR610
Carvin BR115

Fender FMT Telecaster
Gibson Les Paul BFG
Carvin 727

Vox AC50CP2
Put my old rig back together
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Mar 2008, 17:55
Bass rig:
Gibson SG bass thingy
Fender Precision Bass
Fender Jazz Bass
A fair-sized Fender amp, I'm not picky with bass amps just so long as they will give me enough treble to do slap if I want it

Guitar rig:
Gibson Faded SG Special (check!)
Fender Jaguar (American Vintage reissue of the '62 or a Japanese reissue with an American-made bridge, and preferably turquoise)
Fender Mustang (I'll buy it Olympic white and do my own custom paint on her)
Fender Telecaster
Epiphone Wilshire
Gibson ES-335 (sunburst plz)
Gibson EDS-1275
Every fucking Eastwood ever made
Italia Rimini doubleneck

Amps:
Fender Deluxe Reverb
Vox AC-100 w/ 4x12 Celestion-equipped cabinet
Marshall MG100DFX (check!)

Effects:
Hiwatt Custom Tape Echo or a vintage Echoplex (the tape kind)
Boss DS-1
Boss DD-20 Giga Delay (check!)

Drums:
Ludwig Vistalite, as follows:
-Two bass drums with Ludwig Speed King pedals (sup Ginger Baker)
-Two mounted toms
-Two floor toms
-Zildjians fucking everywhere (two crashes, a crisp hi-hat, a crash-ride, and a ride)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 24 Mar 2008, 19:24
Now that wouldn't be good for your back.
Hell, John McLaughlin's custom doubleneck weighed just over thirty (30) pounds!

Except when there aren't any. GC has put them out of business. It IS the WalMart. I live in the 12th largest city in America and my choices are Sam Ash and Guitar Center.
No.  I live in a pretty small town, but in the next county over (Mecklenburg Co, NC; Charlotte's there) there are dozens of luthiers.  There's one or two in my town, even.  Some guy actually sat down in his shop and made John McLaughlin a 30 lb doubleneck guitar.  That's lutherie, not retail.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 24 Mar 2008, 21:10
Vox AC-100 w/ 4x12 Celestion-equipped cabinet

I am changing the amp selection for my dream set-up to this.  I always forget about the speakers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 24 Mar 2008, 22:54
Bass rig:
Gibson SG bass thingy
Fender Precision Bass
Fender Jazz Bass
A fair-sized Fender amp, I'm not picky with bass amps just so long as they will give me enough treble to do slap if I want it

Guitar rig:
Gibson Faded SG Special (check!)
Fender Jaguar (American Vintage reissue of the '62 or a Japanese reissue with an American-made bridge, and preferably turquoise)
Fender Mustang (I'll buy it Olympic white and do my own custom paint on her)
Fender Telecaster
Epiphone Wilshire
Gibson ES-335 (sunburst plz)
Gibson EDS-1275
Every fucking Eastwood ever made
Italia Rimini doubleneck

Amps:
Fender Deluxe Reverb
Vox AC-100 w/ 4x12 Celestion-equipped cabinet
Marshall MG100DFX (check!)

Effects:
Hiwatt Custom Tape Echo or a vintage Echoplex (the tape kind)
Boss DS-1
Boss DD-20 Giga Delay (check!)

Drums:
Ludwig Vistalite, as follows:
-Two bass drums with Ludwig Speed King pedals (sup Ginger Baker)
-Two mounted toms
-Two floor toms
-Zildjians fucking everywhere (two crashes, a crisp hi-hat, a crash-ride, and a ride)

I just used this as porn, is that okay?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 25 Mar 2008, 06:26
Now that wouldn't be good for your back.
Hell, John McLaughlin's custom doubleneck weighed just over thirty (30) pounds!

Except when there aren't any. GC has put them out of business. It IS the WalMart. I live in the 12th largest city in America and my choices are Sam Ash and Guitar Center.
No.  I live in a pretty small town, but in the next county over (Mecklenburg Co, NC; Charlotte's there) there are dozens of luthiers.  There's one or two in my town, even.  Some guy actually sat down in his shop and made John McLaughlin a 30 lb doubleneck guitar.  That's lutherie, not retail.

Well yeah. There are luthiers abound. But it isn't like I can go to them an pick up an Ampeg SVT4 Pro head or a Line 6 X3 Live from a luthier. I hate that Reliable Music and Music-go-round closed up shop here. One was near my work, the other not too far from the house.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 25 Mar 2008, 10:05
All I want is a Rickenbacker 4003, an Orange AD200B full stack, and a complete set of ZVex pedals.  Is that so much to ask?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 25 Mar 2008, 11:43
(the only rig worth having ever)

I just used this as porn, is that okay?

Welcome to the last 3 years of my life, which I have spent compiling this list (and keep updating from time to time). I just did an estimate based on prices I've seen over the last couple years, and it totals out to around $30k. It's a hell of a lot more money than I'll ever make this year (although I'd like to, but then again who wouldn't) but it's worth spending ridiculous amounts of money on gear that I know I will use. Because you and I both know I'll use it all.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 25 Mar 2008, 18:22
All I want is a Rickenbacker 4003, an Orange AD200B full stack, and a complete set of ZVex pedals.  Is that so much to ask?

Isn't that what everybody wants? I know I sure as hell do.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 25 Mar 2008, 19:38
DREAM SETUP:

Guitars:
Danelectro U-1 (gotcha already)
Fender Tele Thinline w/ humbuckers and a Bigsby
Eastwood Sidejack Baritone DLX

Amps:
Orange Tiny Terror w/ 2 1x12 cabs

Effects:
RAT
MXR Phase 90
Fender Blender
Akai Headrush Delay

Bass:
My friend's vintage Mosrite Celebrity hollow-body short-scale bass

Bass Amp:
Eden Metro OR Ampeg of some sort

Drums:
Probably a high end Ludwig of some sort


Ironically I spend more time looking at guitars and basses than drums, and drums are my primary instrument.

Oh wait,

Trumpet:
Schilke B1 (CHECK)

I love my trumpet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 25 Mar 2008, 19:59
Dogg, solid-state Orange amps suck. Unfortunately.

I too wanted one at some point 'cause it was cheaper but still an Orange. But seriously they sound weasely.

ETA: I'm an idiot and for some reason read that as Orange Crush (which are solid-state)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 25 Mar 2008, 20:50
...I'm pretty sure the Tiny Terror is all tube...

EDIT: Yeah, they are, I just checked.  Plus, I've played through Tiny Terrors in multiple situations and they sound great.  I tried my Dano out through a Tiny Terror before I bought, got gorgeous clean tone.  And I'm sure it rocks the fuck out too, seeing as it is Orange.  Also, a mini-stack rocking two Celestion Vintage 30 1x12 cabs?  Damn straight.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 25 Mar 2008, 21:04
See above.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Mar 2008, 05:10
I tried my Dano out through a Tiny Terror

Oh man, as far as I'm concerned, that's the ONLY way to play.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 26 Mar 2008, 05:19
Dogg, solid-state Orange amps suck. Unfortunately.

I too wanted one at some point 'cause it was cheaper but still an Orange. But seriously they sound weasely.

ETA: I'm an idiot and for some reason read that as Orange Crush (which are solid-state)

Buddy of mine has the Crush 30R & I think it sounds damn good for an SS amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 26 Mar 2008, 05:49
Guys, they're bringing out Tiny Terror combos.

I just creamed myself four times simultaneously.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Mar 2008, 05:50
.....

Man I need to run home for a clean pair of jeans.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Mar 2008, 05:51
USIWHEUIHFUIAHSUIEHGIUSHIURHIUJGIMEDR HOW MUCH FOR ONE

Also hellion believe me if you want awesome solid-state get a Marshall MG-series amp. It is the Only Good Amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Mar 2008, 05:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq8IshRNuis

there's a video from Musikmesse about the TT combo.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 26 Mar 2008, 06:02
Guys, they're bringing out Tiny Terror combos.

I just creamed myself four times simultaneously.

FAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAP

Once again, if only I could afford one blah blah FAP FAP FAP
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Mar 2008, 06:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq8IshRNuis

there's a video from Musikmesse about the TT combo.

If that's the same video you linked me to on AIM, the girl at the beginning is hella cute.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 26 Mar 2008, 06:56
USIWHEUIHFUIAHSUIEHGIUSHIURHIUJGIMEDR HOW MUCH FOR ONE

Also hellion believe me if you want awesome solid-state get a Marshall MG-series amp. It is the Only Good Amp.

I know about those, I was messing with them back when they were the valvestate series.
Tho the line was not as big as it is now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 26 Mar 2008, 07:01
USIWHEUIHFUIAHSUIEHGIUSHIURHIUJGIMEDR HOW MUCH FOR ONE

Also hellion believe me if you want awesome solid-state get a Marshall MG-series amp. It is the Only Good Amp.

Actually, two other amazing solid states- the Fender Jazzmaster series and Fender Stage 160 (the discontinued model, not the crappy DSP model).  The Jazzmaster has some of the best clean tones I've ever heard, and, for whatever reason, some great crunch tones.  The downside- almost $2000 for the amp and cab.  The Stage 160, on the other hand, has 400 watts through two celestions.  It listed new at $400, and I got mine for about $200.  Check the reviews, it's amazing.  No metal, but for indie rock, blues, jazz, etc. it sounds crazy good.  Every guitarist I have ever played with has made serious offers to buy that amp, and one replaced his 5150 and Laney combo set up with it.  The thing smokes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Mar 2008, 07:47
The one thing I'm having troubles with on my MG is the fact that I can't adjust specific bands of midrange. Having only a 3-band EQ can be really shit, especially with high-output pickups like my SG's, because it took me ages to get good tone out of my amp again. I try to go for a Ted Leo sound with my SG and a Malkmus sound with my Squier, and it's -possible-, but it's a bitch and a half trying to get the mids where I want them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 26 Mar 2008, 08:25
Try a EQ pedal in you're FX loop.

I want to add the Diezel Einstein to my list while I'm at it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 26 Mar 2008, 09:11
Dream setup:
Red guitar
Three chords
The truth

Also on wishlist:
A basement (rockin' toob amps are no fun if you live in an apartment)
Custom-24 PRS (I like the rotary pickup switch)
A James Iha
One of those built-in motorized tuner things where you push a button and it goes to any alternate tuning

Now that I think about it, I need a Corgan I can be the James Iha for. I can play rhythm during the solos, and write a couple mopey songs per album, and get yelled at a lot.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 26 Mar 2008, 10:20
I'm pretty set with what I got. I might buy an Eastwood T & C Deluxe one day. Also I'd like to mod out my MIM Tele with some SD P-Rails, a Warmouth neck and a decent bridge & Sperzels (basically keeping the the body).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 26 Mar 2008, 14:39
Dream setup:
Red guitar
Three chords
The truth
Quote for truth, but I'll take a nice sunburst thank you very much.  Either that or a dark blue American Strat Hard tail.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Mar 2008, 15:20
Dude just buy a Squier Bullet off of Ebay. The only part on a Strat that really needs American-manufactured precision treatment is the moving parts of tremolo system. If you're worried about pickup quality, just buy the American-made ones aftermarket and save yourself something like $400.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 26 Mar 2008, 15:33


Dude, I can tolerate your praising of the Marshall MG to a certain extent due to beginner's enthusiasm and lack of experience, but that statement really is totally off the rails.
Wood quality and workmanship is, was and always will be the most important factor in a guitar, and a Squier just can not deliver on those fronts at all.

All respect and love to you, I think you're a grat guy, but you really, REALLY need some more experience in terms of gear, dude.

EDIT: Oh, right, quoting the above post is a no-no.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Mar 2008, 16:34
Dude consider the following facts:

- I still have my friend's gorgeous '90s Epiphone Sheraton in my room right now
- I've played vintage Rickenbackers and Gibsons, AC30s and Fender Reverbs that my mate's dad owns
- I've played the ORIGINAL Bo Diddley square guitar while he was busy signing my Johnson Stratocopy
- I have my own Gibson
- I've been playing for 5 years and have been getting myself kicked out of music shops for playing and not buying for the duration

I'd say that with all of the above being on my checklist, I am pretty well qualified to comment! Any objections remaining?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 26 Mar 2008, 16:38
Dude just buy a Squier Bullet off of Ebay. The only part on a Strat that really needs American-manufactured precision treatment is the moving parts of tremolo system. If you're worried about pickup quality, just buy the American-made ones aftermarket and save yourself something like $400.
Meh, Fender produces a lot of guitars in a lot of places. The non moving parts of my MIM Telecaster bridge were designed/assembled by retards. And the frets are soft as fuck. And the tuners are functional but the worst of my whole lot.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 26 Mar 2008, 17:27
Dude consider the following facts:

- I still have my friend's gorgeous '90s Epiphone Sheraton in my room right now
- I've played vintage Rickenbackers and Gibsons, AC30s and Fender Reverbs that my mate's dad owns
- I've played the ORIGINAL Bo Diddley square guitar while he was busy signing my Johnson Stratocopy
- I have my own Gibson
- I've been playing for 5 years and have been getting myself kicked out of music shops for playing and not buying for the duration

I'd say that with all of the above being on my checklist, I am pretty well qualified to comment! Any objections remaining?

Okay, fair is fair. It's just the praising of a Marshall MG-series and the recommendation of a Squier Bullet that just DOES NOT compute. I simply cannot understand how you can like that amp on par with so many others, I really can't.

What really did grate me the most though, was this: "The only part on a Strat that really needs American-manufactured precision treatment is the moving parts of tremolo system."
That's what caused me to go off like that. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sorry if I seemed like an ass saying it like that, but that statement really is wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 26 Mar 2008, 17:31
I've gotta back Lummer on these points.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 26 Mar 2008, 17:32
Yeah, I too would definitely say the quality on an American made Fender would be better than one made in, say, Mexico or Japan (although the quality on my Korean made Koa Strat is actually really good).

And speaking of my Koa Strat, I just ordered a 250K Push/Pull Volume Pot for it that will allow me to turn on the bridge pickup whenever I want with whatever else is on the 5-way selector.  I want to install it myself, but judging from the fact that I've never really soldered much before and don't want to mess up my baby, I'll probably get this guy who builds tube-amps to put it in (depending on the price of course; The Pot itself was only $9)

Yay for the Neck/bridge.  I'll have a Telocaster!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Mar 2008, 17:58
Ohohohohoho, now you got me interested.

What's the difference between hand-wound and machine-wound pickups, then? I can understand (because I can hear) the difference between most tube amps and most solid-state amps. I can't tell any difference between hand-wound and machine-wound pickups. There's a difference in sound and volume relating to the amount of wire wound around each pickup, but I really don't understand what the fuss is over hand-wound pickups. Do skin cells really give your tone that much of a raw, organic boost? I highly doubt it.

The main difference in guitar prices is how pretty or rare the wood is, how it's manipulated into becoming a guitar, and how the finish is done. Example: a Gibson CS-356 and a Gibson ES-339 are the EXACT SAME GUITAR, except the CS-356 is all carved from a single piece of mahogany and has a bookmatched grade AAAA flame maple top and is covered in gold-plated hardware, while the ES-339 is made the exact same way as an ES-335: Maple back, maple sides, bookmatched grade AAA flame maple top, and standard-issue nickel hardware.

Does a 356 play better than a 339? No. Does it sound any different? Yes, the multi-piece maple gives it a brighter attack and is much quicker to feed back.

Now, let's compare the Squier Bullet to a hardtail American Stratocaster. American Strat has a standard Fender two-piece alder body, same as a MexiStrat, but it's prettier wood than you'll ever find in a Mexi. The Bullet is slightly thinner and made out of plywood, hence the lack of a transparent finish. Both options are structurally legit for this application, and the plywood is in fact stronger due to the fact that it's fucking plywood, but is lighter than the alder and therefore there doesn't need to be as much of it to keep the sustain going. Pickups in the American Strat? I am pretty sure they're machine-wound, just like the Squier. No difference there, except the American Strat has a way to stop hum better than any pure single-coil. The pickup mounts on the American Strat aren't made out of shitty soft plastic like the Squier's are, and are less likely to strip out during adjustments. Pickguard is the exact same. The bridge-and-tailpiece unit on the hardtail version of the American Strat is mass-produced just like the Bullet's.

And since this is a hardtail, the tremolo is a moot point anyway.

Really, you're just paying for more choice woods, better pickups and electronics (which can be replaced EASILY on the Squier), and much more professional out-of-the-box setup (which you can do yourself if you're not too lazy to Google it). And the wood's a damn ripoff if you're just buying a guitar with a solid opaque finish. All of this just so you can have a different serial number and "Fender" decal slapped on the headstock? Bloody robbery.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 26 Mar 2008, 18:07
Playing a lot of guitars is great, but you won't notice the subtle differences just from trying them out. It's not necessarily a US/not US thing, either. Gibson can be kind of crap; a good Epi, with better hardware added, can be far superior to much of what Gibson is putting out, for much less. And their acoustic factory in Bozeman is legendarily incompetent. Craftsmanship seems to be kind of a crapshoot with Fender, but it's safe to assume that a hecho en Mexico axe will have inferior wood, a lumpier neck, etc., and that the components, soldering, pups, tuners, etc. are all of lower quality. A lot of these issues are undetectable to the casual consumer, though, so they don't necessarily have to be a big issue if they don't bother the player. I used to think Godin were awesome, and they are, but after shaping necks at PRS for a year, I can't go near one, 'cause they're seriously some of the worst necks I've ever felt. Plenty of people like Godin, though, and good for them! And Taylor famously makes acoustics out of shipping palettes that apparently sound great. I think it mostly just boils down to being happy and comfortable with one's instrument. OK, enough rambling.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Mar 2008, 18:19
I'm going to have to agree with Patrick, Lummer.  Squire makes some seriously choice guitars.  There's a Squire Tele Custom at the guitar shop I frequent with dual P-90s and a maple neck, and it sounds bloody brilliant.  It plays just as well as any American Stratocaster to boot.  I think I played an American Highway Stratocaster, and the Tele sounded just as good, if not better, and played just as well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Mar 2008, 18:26
And Taylor famously makes acoustics out of shipping palettes that apparently sound great

I'm gonna make an electric with my dad out of parts of a shipping pallet that once contained an airplane wing. To be fair, it's some pretty choice Romanian birch (and such a huge solid slab of it, too!), but still.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Mar 2008, 19:36
Those are the best sounding shipping palettes I have ever heard, if that's the case with Taylors.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 26 Mar 2008, 19:40
Gibson can be kind of crap; a good Epi, with better hardware added, can be far superior to much of what Gibson is putting out, for much less.
That include the faded specials? I have seen Epis that only cost maybe a hundred dollars less, but the faded special is the cheapest Gibson I have ever seen, of course.

It isn't a bullet, but the Squier I have played has such a nice action that I almost don't like it, because I am barely getting any feedback that I am actually holding down the strings. Reminds me of the semi-hollow my first teacher had. No buzzing whatsoever, though, and it has a pretty nice neck, especially considering the $150 cost, where fret edges that aren't dangerous to your hands are considered unnecessary luxuries.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 26 Mar 2008, 20:05
Squiers and Epiphones can be great, they can also be terrible. They vary wildly, due to the nature of their production.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 26 Mar 2008, 20:14
Honestly, I think the people making them first get drunk off their asses, then pick what quality each of the parts is going to be by throwing blindfolded at a dartboard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 26 Mar 2008, 20:26
Here's the deal with the pallet guitars (http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/archive/older/pallet.html). I totally spelled pallet wrong before. I'd love to have one, if they were commensurately priced, but oh well.
I can't speak to specific Gibsons, I'm just saying that as a rule, paying more for a US-made Gibson does not guarantee a better product than an Epi from Koh-rea or wherever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: spluk on 26 Mar 2008, 22:49
about making an electric guitar...
unless you have all the proper tools, it is a pain to make.
I decided to make one because i am cheap.  I also didn't know weather i would end up liking the guitar either.
I still dont know but am enrolled in a begining guitar class at school next year.
Also, dont make a neck.  Just buy one.  After the fifth or sixth try i just gave up.  Hit ebay or a pawn shop.
I used plywood and it turned out pretty nice.  Kinda ran out of time in the finishing department.
I also decided to handmake the pickups.  It is a hand wound single coil of 4.5Kohm resistance.
For some reason though it is a fairly quiet guitar.  The amp i tested it on had to be truned to 10 to get a comfortable sound level out of it.
I think i remedied this by putting another magnet on top of the strings over the pickup.  It seems to work but i dont know why.  multiplies the volume by about 3 times.  Also kinda distorts it a little.  Almost sounds like an overdrive.  I dont know weather to recommend trying this with a fancy guitar though.
It sounds pretty good for roughly $100.
about 60 photos of the process.  http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2000316&l=f2961&id=1015564627
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Mar 2008, 04:21
http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/archive/older/pallet.html

Just for the record, this completely reamed my browser (Firefox).

unless you have all the proper tools, it is a pain to make.

The tools my dad and I are going to be using are a lathe, bandsaw, router, drill press, drill, files, belt sander, and airbrush. We've been reverse-engineering other electric guitars (Fender and Gibson style) for two years now. I'm pretty sure we can give those old boys at Gibson a run for their money. Remember, my old man and I are just doing what Brian May and his dad did several years ago.

A trick to necks is to cut them absolutely straight, if not with a very minute (read: hardly noticeable) convex curve before string tension and truss adjustment. That way, when you put strings on it, it will cause it to straighten out or bow a tiny bit concave. Makes life easier for your truss rod that way.

Another important thing about necks is that if you have already fixed your bridge to the guitar, if you make even a millimeter's worth of error in making the pocket for your neck joint, you are going to have intonation problems for the entire life of your guitar. Attach the neck first (especially if you're setting the neck instead of bolting it on). When you've attached the neck, only then should you fix the bridge, and my old man has created a special little jig for bridge mounting on acoustics (hence why my restored Kay intonates like a damn Stradivarius).

Since the slab of birch that my dad and I have is seriously so friggin' big, we're just going to make the whole thing out of one piece. We'll just rout a truss rod groove and install it, slap a fretboard, frets, and a graphite nut on there (don't know yet what scale length I want though), find where to attach the bridge using a modified version of my dad's little mount-preparation jig, mount the roller tune-o-matic bridge and Jag trem tailpiece on there, and then and only then will we start routing for pickups and electronics cavities (always good to have all that shit aligned).

I still haven't decided whether I want this sucker to have PAFs, P-90s or, god forbid, even Duncan Quarter Pound Jag pickups. Here's where I'm going to ask for suggestions. I want to have that delicious rhythm sound that PAFs make when you're using two of them at the same time, but I want the bright, snappy "DOO DOODEE DOO" sound that you get out of a Telecaster's neck pickup (see: "Slipped And Fell In Love" by Alan Jackson), and I want the bright, snappy sound of the PAF bridge. I'll have a volume and tone pot for each pickup just 'cause I refuse to have any less.

I'm starting to wonder if we shouldn't go back to the dude we got the wood from and see if he has any more of that pallet left, because damned if I don't want a guitar with a pair of each of those kinds of pickups just for the lulz.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Mar 2008, 04:53
It's just the praising of a Marshall MG-series and the recommendation of a Squier Bullet that just DOES NOT compute. I simply cannot understand how you can like that amp on par with so many others, I really can't.

They're surprisingly good.

There's a Squire Tele Custom at the guitar shop I frequent with dual P-90s and a maple neck, and it sounds bloody brilliant.

Ah yes, the Custom II. My friend's got one.

(PS: keep bringing up the quality, Squier. You're making some nice, affordable shit right now)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 27 Mar 2008, 05:22
i made guitar

lego pickup winder = badassssss
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: A Wet Helmet on 27 Mar 2008, 05:54
A bunch of stuff about making a guitar
about 60 photos of the process.  http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2000316&l=f2961&id=1015564627

Hey man... I can help you out a little bit just from having looked at your photos.   I make guitars myself, including winding my own pickups on a home made winding machine, so I know every bit of your pain.

First of all, big freaking kudos to you for putting a guitar together for about $100.  I average about $600 per guitar on mine and my wife would be thrilled if I would just cut that in half, much less if I could build one for $100.

Here's some hints in the pickup department: 

You say that your wire is breaking a lot.  Yep, it'll do that.  That wire isn't made to come off the spool the way you have it set up, like it's a spool of thread on a sewing machine.  It needs to pull off the end of the spool.  I actually use a cymbal stand I "borrowed" from my son's drum kit lowered way down with the very top (where the cymbal attaches) at about a 45 degree angle.   I've found that it pulls far easier if it's lower than the winder too.   

If the pickup works but is very quiet there are usually two reasons for that.

1) It's not powerful enough.  Put more wraps on that sucker and make sure you're not using a magnet that's too weak.   Changing to 43 gauge wire makes a huge difference in the number of wraps you can get on a coil.  It wouldn't seem like it, but it does.  Also make sure that when you're wrapping you're getting that stuff on there tight.  Winding fast with slack wire I can fill a single coil bobbin in about 2k turns.  Winding slowly with enough tension on the damn thing that I'm sure the wire will break any second, I get almost 8k.  There is a huge output difference between the two, obviously.

2) Move the pickup a little closer to the strings.  It's hard to tell from your photos, but less than a 1/4" can make a huge difference in how much output you're getting from your pickup.  I will confess though, I've never built myself a transverse mounted bar pickup.  I don't know what kind of unique considerations you get with something like that.  I'm actually sitting here trying to work out the gauss field in my head based on your photos and thinking that I need to google a little bit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: spluk on 27 Mar 2008, 07:03
http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn238/splukzor/
the magnets in the pickup are the small one on the right.
there are five of them and are connected together on both sides by a small metal plate to help even the field (5 magnets, 6 strings  :?)
as far as i know, they are high-grade neodymium.  What grade, i am not sure, but they are really potent.
it is about .25'' from the strings.
The one that i place on top to get the amplification effect is the large one on the left.
to get that effect though, the magnet has to be almost on top of the strings and feeling the pull of the pickup magnets.
I think that the ineteraction of the two magnets are creating a more intense field inbetween allowing more energy to transfer into the pickup wire.
I am not sure though, we haven't really got there in physics class yet, but i am hoping to know more about it by the end of the year (school year)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Mar 2008, 07:55
Dude now you've got me curious and I really want to try it. I still have that middle pickup that I ripped out of my Squier, I bet I could use that magnet...

(5 minutes later)

Hm, interesting. If anything, when I put the extra pickup above the other pickup at any distance, it didn't do anything. Interestingly, though, when I moved it toward the bridge, I actually had a -decrease- in volume. If I moved it around, I got a strange crackly sound.

Edit: Wait a second, how far away are the strings themselves from the pickup that's wired into the guitar? Do you think that might have something to do with it? I'd adjust pickup height in relation to the strings on my own guitar to test it out, but the last time I did that the mount stripped, heh.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 27 Mar 2008, 16:35
Wow Patrick, the birch beast sounds like a great project. I wish I didn't live several state away from my dad. And we weren't both too old to do some stuff. But I swear I want to mod out my tele and get him to make me a cursive logo with our surname for the headstock. He's always been good at free-handing stuff like that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: spluk on 27 Mar 2008, 17:04
well, i didn't use a second pickup, just a really big magnet.
also, the side of the magnet has to be attracted to the pickup, not repulsing.
The spacing between the pickup on the bottom is .25'' from the strings and the magnet on top is practically on the strings but not touching because then it alters the pitch and you get a REALLY loud distorted tone.
it might also be because of the uniqueness of my handbuilt pickup..
I will try to make an mp3 w/ and w/o out the magnet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: spluk on 27 Mar 2008, 18:00
okay, i made an mp3. It might be a little soft. http://media.putfile.com/guitar-test-70
keep in mind i dont know how to play guitar yet, so it is just one note.
The first one is without the magnet, the second with.
The difference (besides in volume) is much more noticable at high volumes with hard strumming.
This was recorded through my stereo, not an amp due to not owning an amp.
You also have to trust me that i didn't fiddle with the gain or anything between notes.
a picture for what i am doing with the magnetduring the secon note.
http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn238/splukzor/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 27 Mar 2008, 18:04
OK, so my guitar teacher finally told my dad off about my having a shitty acoustic.

SO I'M GETTING A NEW ACOUSTIC! $400 budget.

I don't really like Yamahas and stuff and I like really oaky, woody woods.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 28 Mar 2008, 00:55
Bought a Marshall MS-4 Micro stack today, quite good indeed! Whenthe gain goes above 6 or so it sounds like poo, but I'm honestly quite impressed by the clean sounds, and the sounds when you get the power amp distortion.

I was going to buy an acoustic for the camping trip, but the MS-4 sounds sweet, and we all know that electric guitars > acoustic guitars.

Furthermore, I will finally be getting another Les Paul in a fortnight or so! (Last one was stolen). I can only hope it was as good as my last one- it was unbelievably heavy, far heavier then any other LP I've ever played, but despite that (or perhaps because of it) it sounded freaking huge, and I'm a pretty big dude so the weight didn't worry me all that much.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 28 Mar 2008, 01:32
Guys, someone who recently moved into my house has one of these (http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-SG-SG-X-Carribean-Blue-RARE-TFOT_W0QQitemZ280212542507QQihZ018QQcategoryZ47073QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).  I got to play it tonight (I totally don't appreciate guitars fully because I play bass but it still felt pretty amazing).

I think his dad used to run Gibson.  Like, literally.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 28 Mar 2008, 01:36
Wow, that's way pretty.

I assistant engineered on a friend's recording last night where the guitarist had a semi-hollow thinline Tele. Like so:

(http://www.edroman.com/guitars/fender/images/fender_thinline_tele.jpg)

I splooged.

edited for smaller pic
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 28 Mar 2008, 01:37
There need to be more blue guitars out there. Seriously, Sunburst= not that great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 28 Mar 2008, 01:42
Also more purple sparkle guitars

(http://www.jag-stang.com/News/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/mascis_jazzmaster.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Mar 2008, 01:47
OK, so my guitar teacher finally told my dad off about my having a shitty acoustic.

SO I'M GETTING A NEW ACOUSTIC! $400 budget.

I don't really like Yamahas and stuff and I like really oaky, woody woods.
If you go for one of the pricier Yamahas you can get a damn fine nylonstring


Also, who gives a shit what color the jazzmaster is?  I just want one that's left-handed!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 28 Mar 2008, 04:28
OK, so my guitar teacher finally told my dad off about my having a shitty acoustic.

SO I'M GETTING A NEW ACOUSTIC! $400 budget.

I don't really like Yamahas and stuff and I like really oaky, woody woods.
If you go for one of the pricier Yamahas you can get a damn fine nylonstring


Also, who gives a shit what color the jazzmaster is?  I just want one that's left-handed!

Japan still makes lefty Jazzmasters.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 28 Mar 2008, 04:51
I assistant engineered on a friend's recording last night where the guitarist had a semi-hollow thinline Tele. Like so:

That's pretty cool, what does it sound like?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Mar 2008, 05:34
Also more purple sparkle guitars

J Mascis Signature Jazzmaster

WOOO!

I don't really like Yamahas and stuff and I like really oaky, woody woods.
If you go for one of the pricier Yamahas you can get a damn fine nylonstring

He said he doesn't really like Yamahas.  Washburn makes some pretty nice guitars for cheap.  My D10S apparently sounds pretty awesome, as all my friends love how it sounds, and it was only $250 with a case.  It's mahogany sides and back, and spruce top, I believe.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Mar 2008, 05:46
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/6/1/2/551612.jpg)

A: STOP FUCKING MAKING ROBOT GUITARS, GIBSON

B: LEAVE THE FUCKING PURPLE SPARKLY THINGS TO FENDER, GIBSON.

C: WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU CHARGING $2700 FOR A LES PAUL STUDIO, GIBSON?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 28 Mar 2008, 06:09
That's pretty cool, what does it sound like?

We actually ran the guitar straight into a DI box, so I got to hear the guitar's tone, uncoloured by amp or pedal or anything.

To describe the tone in a simple phrase? Liquid sex.

P.S; GIBSON. NO.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 28 Mar 2008, 06:10


WOOO!

I don't really like Yamahas and stuff and I like really oaky, woody woods.
If you go for one of the pricier Yamahas you can get a damn fine nylonstring

He said he doesn't really like Yamahas.  Washburn makes some pretty nice guitars for cheap.  My D10S apparently sounds pretty awesome, as all my friends love how it sounds, and it was only $250 with a case.  It's mahogany sides and back, and spruce top, I believe.

Hmm. There are a lot of acoustics in that price range. DO NOT get a $200ish dollar Epiphone acoustic. You can probably find a Seagull in that range. They play wonderful but don't sound the best.
http://musical-instruments.pricegrabber.com/acoustic-guitars/m/19863639/st=product/sv=title/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Gemmwah on 28 Mar 2008, 06:20
I like the purple, but WHAT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Mar 2008, 06:25
The one thing I'd like to see with a robot guitar is to see how fast it tunes. Because what if it tunes all shitty-slow?

I would be the cockbag who would use a looper pedal and play bluesy shit in open G (think "Travelling Riverside Blues", Led Zeppelin's BBC Sessions), then start up the looper, go back to drop D, solo for a bit, and then go back to open G and finish.

Also, thanks to Shane's linkage, I want the one with P-90s (http://hagstromguitars.com/viking.html).

Hooooooooly fuck, Hagstrom, I love you
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Mar 2008, 06:30
I like the purple, but WHAT.

Say no to the Man! Get the Mascis Jazzmaster instead!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Mar 2008, 07:30
You can strip it and give it a real colour!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Mar 2008, 08:03
Dude, I think the Mascis Jazzmaster looks awesome in purple/gold.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Mar 2008, 08:28
Also, thanks to Shane's linkage, I want the one with P-90s (http://hagstromguitars.com/viking.html).

Hooooooooly fuck, Hagstrom, I love you

I want the Viking Deluxe.  It's three hundred dollars cheaper than the Gibson I had been lusting after for the longest time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Mar 2008, 08:34
Guys, Nitro-Tone in Cambridge have the Viking II for $400. Just the humbuckers, though. Wow.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 28 Mar 2008, 09:59
OK, so my guitar teacher finally told my dad off about my having a shitty acoustic.

SO I'M GETTING A NEW ACOUSTIC! $400 budget.

I don't really like Yamahas and stuff and I like really oaky, woody woods.

Alvarez.  Amazing guitars, cheap price.  Check it - http://www.worldmusicsupply.com/guitars/acoustic.asp?mfg=Alvarez

Here are reviews- http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Acoustic+Guitar/brand/Alvarez .  You'll notice, their overall ratings are all pretty consistently in the 9 or 10 out of 10 range.  Their action is like an electric, their tone is fantastic due to quality materials (typically solid spruce sitka top and mahogany sides), and the electronics on the acoustic electrics actually sound like an acoustic instead of like strings stretched across a tin can (see Ovation).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Mar 2008, 10:26
OK, so my guitar teacher finally told my dad off about my having a shitty acoustic.

SO I'M GETTING A NEW ACOUSTIC! $400 budget.

I don't really like Yamahas and stuff and I like really oaky, woody woods.
If you go for one of the pricier Yamahas you can get a damn fine nylonstring


Also, who gives a shit what color the jazzmaster is?  I just want one that's left-handed!

Japan still makes lefty Jazzmasters.
3 a year  <___<

And I know he said he didn't like Yamahas.  I'm just saying that the really nice ones are better than nearly any American nylonstring I've played. 

For lower priced acoustic goodness, tho, look at Seagull.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 28 Mar 2008, 12:01
I've stopped reading HarmonyCentral's reviews as they're usually written by new owners, who obviously like the instrument, because they just bought it, so it's just an endless string of positive reviews; sort of like the American Urban Radio Network, but for instruments instead of guitars. And you get idiots who give a guitar a 3 on features because it only has one volume and one tone knob, crap like that. Anyone know of any other review sites that offer a bit more perspective?

Edit: instruments instead of movies. Um, yeah. That makes more sense.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Mar 2008, 14:58
C: WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU CHARGING $2700 FOR A LES PAUL STUDIO, GIBSON?
And they are charging $2300 for a shiny purple robot SG special, at guitar center at least, don't know what the MSRP is, but it is already 1k over the MSRP on the SG special.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 28 Mar 2008, 15:00
The gibson robot takes like 12 seconds to tune between several popular tunings, making robotic sounds along the way.
The transperformance system, however, can be installed into nearly any solid body electric, tunes in 1-3 seconds, and allows thousands upon thousands of pre set and custom tunings.
It's also been around a lot longer.
Obviously, the downside is the cost ($3000). And I doubt it's compatible with a tremolo bar.
They're individually crafted (not enough business to factory-ify the process, at that price), so I wonder if the guy who does it would be able to do it to a 7 or 12 string? (or double neck?).
Jimmy Page has got like 3 of them and loves them to death.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 28 Mar 2008, 15:55
3 a year  <___<

I suppose not many make it to the US because they're not supposed to be trading there, but if you ask one of the guys on eBay who sell Fender Japan products or something to get one for you I'm sure they'll do it, I know some people who might do it for you even.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Mar 2008, 16:33
Jimmy Page has got like 3 of them and loves them to death.

Yeah and what did he ever do for the world

(I keed, I keed!)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 29 Mar 2008, 12:51
3 a year  <___<

I suppose not many make it to the US because they're not supposed to be trading there, but if you ask one of the guys on eBay who sell Fender Japan products or something to get one for you I'm sure they'll do it, I know some people who might do it for you even.

ishibashi-music.com

that's where I got mine, though it t'aint lefty.

I think a Seagull is a fantastic idea.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 29 Mar 2008, 13:47
3 a year  <___<

I suppose not many make it to the US because they're not supposed to be trading there, but if you ask one of the guys on eBay who sell Fender Japan products or something to get one for you I'm sure they'll do it, I know some people who might do it for you even.

ishibashi.com

that's where I got mine, though it t'aint lefty.

I think a Seagull is a fantastic idea.
:(

now i have to get a second job that the dollar's in the shitter

e: and
Quote
Sales of the fender Japan commodity
I will limit it only to Japan.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: GreenRunner0 on 29 Mar 2008, 18:32
I'm new here but this is what I got:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/GreenRunner0/pic122307_1.jpg)

Dean Edge 09

And If I have time I also play...

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/GreenRunner0/pic011808_2.jpg)

A. Cavello (Violon)Cello
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 29 Mar 2008, 18:47
Cellos are beautiful.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: GreenRunner0 on 29 Mar 2008, 18:49
They are indeed. I like playing my bass more, but I am QUANTUM LEAPS better at my cello then my bass...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 29 Mar 2008, 22:40
I want a cello so bad.  :[
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 29 Mar 2008, 23:07
I was gonna buy a $100 cello from Aldi, but I figured it'd probably break in a day.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 29 Mar 2008, 23:59
e: and
Quote
Sales of the fender Japan commodity
I will limit it only to Japan.

Yeah, for about a year they didn't enforce this but they recently started a few months ago. So now they don't ship new Fender Japan stuff outside Japan.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 30 Mar 2008, 00:01
I got mine from ishibashi Japan in September '07.

It rawks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 30 Mar 2008, 01:22
Fire, is there a law about that? I don't see why someone couldn't buy one for you in japan, you pay them, they ship it stateside.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 30 Mar 2008, 04:36
There's no law against that, just dealers and shops aren't allowed to, because it detracts from FMIC (Big Fender) sales. Fender Japan is a separate company from FMIC so they don't want thier products on their turf unless they're getting something out of it (like when they import Japanese Mustangs).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Mar 2008, 04:43
They should have a gang war and I hope Fender Japan hires a bunch of Yakuza. The conditions:

-FMIC wins, they stop making shit so expensive in comparison to actual manufacturing cost
-Fender Japan wins, they permanently discontinue that ugly-ass JagStang. Who the hell told them that was a good idea?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 30 Mar 2008, 07:11
Every "goth" kid I ever went to high school with who worshipped Cobain as an actual god.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: GreenRunner0 on 30 Mar 2008, 09:09
Yeah, unless the Cello was a high quality, bu an old, used one, I wouldn't buy one for $100 (I got I discount on mine but it was still $1600).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 30 Mar 2008, 09:28
There's no law against that, just dealers and shops aren't allowed to, because it detracts from FMIC (Big Fender) sales. Fender Japan is a separate company from FMIC so they don't want thier products on their turf unless they're getting something out of it (like when they import Japanese Mustangs).

That's pretty stupid, it's monopolizing the market with expensive, only slightly better models.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: GreenRunner0 on 30 Mar 2008, 10:26
One of best friends plays viola, as does my brother, so yeah, there's more love for them here than the violins...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 30 Mar 2008, 11:39
Violins are sexy, too.  I would love to have one as much as I would love to have a cello.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 30 Mar 2008, 11:48
There's no law against that, just dealers and shops aren't allowed to, because it detracts from FMIC (Big Fender) sales. Fender Japan is a separate company from FMIC so they don't want thier products on their turf unless they're getting something out of it (like when they import Japanese Mustangs).

That's pretty stupid, it's monopolizing the market with expensive, only slightly better models.
THEY'RE NOT BETTER MODELS WHEN YOU PLAY LEFT HANDED!


Wtf is with all the major American guitar manufacturers stopping production of lefty models? 

Jeez, at least I can understand that *nobody* makes a viola rest left handed, so I just use a towel.  But a Jazzmaster?  That's the worst guitar ever to flip over! 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 30 Mar 2008, 14:12
Ok guys, I'm in dire need of an answer from one of you more experienced Guitar nuts here.  My aunt is going to buy either an Epiphone SG or Les Paul as a gift for someone special (the person receiving is a Guitar crazy person, but my Aunt is not).  She wants to know what to look for in a quality Epiphone so that when she gets it it won't be a bad purchase.  Since I've never actually had any experience with an Epiphones (or even Gibsons for that matter  :-( ), I have no idea what to tell her.  What do you guys think?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Mar 2008, 14:37
1. Make sure it's an SG. As much crap as I give Gaz about weight issues, he's right, Pauls are heavy as fuck and you can't reach the upper frets.
2. Uhhhh make somebody go with her who actually plays guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 30 Mar 2008, 14:54
Actually, most Epi Pauls aren't too heavy.  Heavier than an SG, but not as heavy as a table like an American one. 
Def just take someone that does play is the key thing to remember.  It could be they have a great SG and crappy Paul, or vice versa, or they both suck, or they're both great. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 30 Mar 2008, 17:51
I'd guess that the SG would be the more universally-accepted choice, but I'm mostly basing that on the fact that I don't like LPs all that much, because it's all about me. As for what to look for, there's no advice. Sure, I could say to sight down the fretboard, and check the action, and neck shape, and fret condition, but a layman just doesn't know what to look for. She needs either a salesperson she really, really trusts, or an experienced guitarist who actually knows what they're looking for. That said, it seems to me that the worst-case scenario in this case is a guitar of passable quality. I don't think Epi puts out epically bad instruments, do they?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 30 Mar 2008, 18:28
Honestly, I prefer the LP tone.

Quote
I don't think Epi puts out epically bad instruments, do they?

They have been known to put out a few shockers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 30 Mar 2008, 20:15
I don't think Epi puts out epically bad instruments, do they?
Their QC isn't the best of the Asian manufacturers.  Sometimes, shit happens and gets passed by the inspectors
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 31 Mar 2008, 08:49
Eugene (Ballard) has a really, really shitty Epi SG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 31 Mar 2008, 09:22
I played a miniature Squier yesterday, much like my Bullet but waaaaay freakin' smaller. Holy shit that was fun.

One thing that depresses me is the fact that I know my SG is going to look really tiny on me, just like my Bullet does. But that's okay because people will be like "How can anybody rock out on such a tiny instrumHOOOOLY FUUUUUUUUUUCK"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Mar 2008, 17:36
Hey, a practice guitar is a practice guitar. I didn't pay for it and I got pretty damned good on it, so I'm not complaining.

Or at least I won't be if I get that Tele Custom this summer.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 31 Mar 2008, 18:38
Hey, a practice guitar is a practice guitar. I didn't pay for it and I got pretty damned good on it, so I'm not complaining.

Or at least I won't be if I get that Tele Custom this summer.

last summer

october
december
christmas
mid-january
valentine's day
easter
may day
this summer.

EDIT:
hagstrom viking ii
eastwood airplane country
'72 reissue tele
american fender strat deluxe
tele custom.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Mar 2008, 22:38
.. balls.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Apr 2008, 04:06
Hey Eugene if it makes you feel better I've been fapping over that Jag (among other things, nauseating people the whole way through) for like two years and I haven't really done shit to get it either.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 01 Apr 2008, 05:34
So what, you have an SG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 01 Apr 2008, 16:18
Well, my aunt actually decided on getting an Epiphone Firebird Studio cause the receiving party actually has a thing for oddly shaped instruments.  Anything I should let her know before she purchases it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 01 Apr 2008, 18:26
Well, my aunt actually decided on getting an Epiphone Firebird Studio cause the receiving party actually has a thing for oddly shaped instruments.  Anything I should let her know before she purchases it?
Perhaps recommend somewhere (http://www.musiciansfriend.com) online (http://www.zzounds.com) if she doesn't have someone to test the thing out, so perhaps a return can be arranged if she gets a lemon
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Apr 2008, 03:04
So what, you have an SG.

Dude you sound like my mother.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 02 Apr 2008, 03:08
No-one makes noise like your mother, Patrick.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Apr 2008, 03:37
How about we leave each other's mums out of this and I leave this out of your mum.

Besides, which is better, a Jag, an SG, or a Jag and and SG?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 02 Apr 2008, 03:49
An SG. Other guitars merely distract from its defiant majesty.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Apr 2008, 04:11
(http://b0.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00110/02/84/110414820_l.jpg)

This man disagrees.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 02 Apr 2008, 05:10
Jay Leno broke his SG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 02 Apr 2008, 05:24
Yeah, but that's Jay Leno.

Also Patrick, may I ask, who is that fellow?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Apr 2008, 05:36
Stephen Fucking Malkmus.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 02 Apr 2008, 05:50
Ah, not a particularly significant bloke, then.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 Apr 2008, 07:02
Jesus, Patrick's gonna stomp some faces in for that one.

Good show, Alex.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Apr 2008, 07:14
If you can find yourself enraged after listening to Pavement 197 times in a week, I salute your anger-producing abilities.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 02 Apr 2008, 07:43
Side effects include: easily gettting bored, joyful cynicism, detached sadness, and Jay Leno dropping yr fucking guitar.

(i.e. after they played on the tonight show, duh)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Apr 2008, 08:43
Is that on YouTube?  Can I see that?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 02 Apr 2008, 10:57
It used to be... That's where I saw it...

Can't find it now though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 Apr 2008, 20:45
Jack White throwing his Wandre down on the floor like a banana peel on Conan is equally enraging.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 02 Apr 2008, 21:02
Jack White throwing his Wandre down on the floor like a banana peel on Conan is equally enraging.
Yes, Jack White on television is pretty awful.  :-*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DMart on 02 Apr 2008, 21:44
Woo! Got my P-bass today!

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2034/banjoandbasssmlhj4.jpg)

As for the banjo... I found that in a closet a few years ago.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 02 Apr 2008, 21:49
Fuck, I wish I could just find banjos in closets
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: orangepeas on 02 Apr 2008, 22:09
(http://www.tacomaguitars.com/products/prod_images/guitars/0381100721_md.jpg)

It's my baby
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DMart on 02 Apr 2008, 22:27
^Why was my first impression "it's blind!!"?

RE banjos in closets - my dad bought it at a garage sale years ago for like $20. It's rusty in some parts and as you can see the skin is filthy, but it's good fun.

EDIT: Also just got back from first band prac with the P-bass. F*cking sh*ts all over the cheap Ibinez I was using on loan for a while.

  Who'd have thought?
  /
 :-D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 03 Apr 2008, 06:16
I have to concur about the Precision Bass. Maria got one after getting a Tobias Growler and then a Carvin LB70P and since has not been back to playing either of those. You should put flat wounds on it.
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Post by: Patrick on 03 Apr 2008, 06:31
Jack White throwing his Wandre down on the floor like a banana peel on Conan is equally enraging.

But FUCK that was a great show up to that point.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 03 Apr 2008, 12:17
[not even a taylor]

It's my baby

That's not a baby!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DMart on 03 Apr 2008, 14:31
I have to concur about the Precision Bass. Maria got one after getting a Tobias Growler and then a Carvin LB70P and since has not been back to playing either of those. You should put flat wounds on it.

Yeah, I distinctly remember being at one of the guitar shops and playing around with a CIJ '51 reissue... one of the clerks asked what my budget was and started handing me all these new Corts etc to 'have a go' of. None of them felt nearly as solid, nor as good to play as the P-bass. Even without an amp you could hear the tone of the P-bass so much clearer. I was really surprised at how immediately noticable the difference was. Probably should have expected it considering the Corts etc were nearly half the price of the P-bass, and that was second hand.
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Post by: DMart on 03 Apr 2008, 15:55
^ there's a guitar pedal thread already open, I think it's still on the first page. Check it out - people might have made mention of some of those pedals there.
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Post by: doombilly on 03 Apr 2008, 15:58
Behringer sucks. After buying a rack tuner (how fucking hard can that be to make right?) and having it basically FAIL as a tuner I have decided that if you buy Behringer, you buy shit. Just get a fucking kleenex box, poke some holes in it. Run your cables back/forth from your loop, pretend you hear goodness. There. I saved you $30.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Apr 2008, 22:07
With effects, perhaps even more than with guitars, you get what you pay for.

There are exceptions. These exceptions do not come in the form of Behringer pedals.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jonny_Columbine on 04 Apr 2008, 17:39
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/remembermenowx/NEXTGUITAR.jpg)

thats the shit. plays great.
also, hi.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: orangepeas on 04 Apr 2008, 17:55
[it's a TACOMA]

It's my baby

That's not a baby!

so what if it's not a taylor? what do you have against my guitar?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Apr 2008, 18:08
Taylor acoustics > everything.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: orangepeas on 04 Apr 2008, 18:13
Taylor acoustics > everything.
Well you don't see me telling everyone that Tacoma guitars> everything. I've tried a Taylor guitars and it just didn't suit me. They both start with T's isn't that good enough?  :-)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 04 Apr 2008, 22:27
so what if it's not a taylor? what do you have against my guitar?

It was supposed to be a really bad joke. Taylor actually makes a guitar called "the baby" or "baby" or something. My dad's got a big baby, and the screws-through-the-fretboard thing kind of turns me off from them. That, and the string-to-fretboard clearance (which is called action, yes?) is too wide.

But as for my dad's other Taylor, it's very nice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 04 Apr 2008, 23:33
Bassplayers rejoice! (http://"http://www.bassplayer.com/article/jacos-1962-fender/mar-08/34267")

The bass of doom has been located, although not quite as doomy as one would expect from fender's recreations.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: orangepeas on 04 Apr 2008, 23:43
so what if it's not a taylor? what do you have against my guitar?

It was supposed to be a really bad joke. Taylor actually makes a guitar called "the baby" or "baby" or something. My dad's got a big baby, and the screws-through-the-fretboard thing kind of turns me off from them. That, and the string-to-fretboard clearance (which is called action, yes?) is too wide.

But as for my dad's other Taylor, it's very nice.

yeah, you kinda failed at the joke,but I'm not going to hold that against you. :p
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Post by: FireAarro on 05 Apr 2008, 00:17
Bassplayers rejoice! (http://www.bassplayer.com/article/jacos-1962-fender/mar-08/34267)

The bass of doom has been located, although not quite as doomy as one would expect from fender's recreations.

Link fixed (http://www.bassplayer.com/article/jacos-1962-fender/mar-08/34267)
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Post by: Beastmouth on 05 Apr 2008, 01:01
so what if it's not a taylor? what do you have against my guitar?

It was supposed to be a really bad joke. Taylor actually makes a guitar called "the baby" or "baby" or something. My dad's got a big baby, and the screws-through-the-fretboard thing kind of turns me off from them. That, and the string-to-fretboard clearance (which is called action, yes?) is too wide.

But as for my dad's other Taylor, it's very nice.
The action on most every guitar can be adjusted, you know.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 Apr 2008, 10:48
I don't like how you can see the screw through the fretboard, either.
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Post by: Patrick on 05 Apr 2008, 16:24
Taylor acoustics > everything but Patrick's dad's Kay which is made up out of the right bicep of Arnold Schwarzenegger and the skull of Robert Johnson
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 Apr 2008, 21:31
I really wish I could play a Kay.  They don't still make them, do they?
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Post by: Patrick on 06 Apr 2008, 09:35
I don't think so. It's really a shame, I'd love for somebody to make a reissue of my dad's old strum-box (I am looking at you, Eastwood).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Apr 2008, 09:44
I'm still waiting for them to do something with that Tele clone that popped up at NAMM.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 06 Apr 2008, 15:04
Okay guys my bass is being problematic and I have no idea what to do besides send it in the shop because I am not guitar savy at all, so I'm gonna see if you guys have any other ideas.

I have a Warwick Convertte, active. For some reason though, now it doesn't work active and and it plays incredibly quietly passive. The battery is perfectly new, so I know its not that. Do any of you guys have any ideas as to what I can do?
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Post by: imapiratearg on 06 Apr 2008, 15:55
Uh, check the wiring?
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Post by: Patrick on 06 Apr 2008, 16:20
Yeah, word at that. Just grab a screwdriver and make with the plate removal. You might have a solder connection coming loose. If you've got an iron and some solder, have at it.

In other news, I am trying to make my old Johnson (the Bo Diddley Strat) playable as my main actually-do-manual-work-and-learn-this-summer project. During the afternoon/evening I will work. During the late morning I will go to the library and order parts and tools off of the Inter Nets. During the time from 11pm to 2am, I will do crazy things that will alter the course of history forever.

By the end of June, I will have a trem-bearing Strat copy with two pickups and two pairs of concentric knobs. I will even mount an actual Fender neck on that motherfucker so nobody can tell the difference.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 06 Apr 2008, 16:24
Isn't it autographed, though?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 06 Apr 2008, 16:47
Was, but then it came off for some reason or another, was it some sort of varnish or something?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Apr 2008, 17:33
It tried to come off when we sprayed clearcoat on it (irony: we were trying to protect it), but we engraved that motherfucker before it had a chance to slough off completely. It may be almost entirely valueless as a result, but at least now it won't come off after a couple years of playing. So I don't feel too bad about modding the hell out of the electronics.

I think maybe I'm just going to put noiseless Tele pickups in there with standard Tele switching (but a vintage-style Strat 3-way) and have the plus sides of each instrument.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 07 Apr 2008, 09:42
So, I said in another thread I wasn't going to purchase a guitar of my own for 6 months (I started playing recently), but that, obviously, doesn't include any extremely good deals on relatively decent guitars from people I know. I bought a nice dark red (cherry?) Squier Strat from my sister's father in law (he'd replaced it with a near identical Fender). I'd post a picture, but we probably all know what they look like.
$75 for the guitar, $25 for a really nice gig bag, and $20 for a belt-worn headphone amp from the late '80's.
I'm still going to get that doubleneck I've been thinking about (an Epiphone g1275) in September. Probably. Also cherry. Red was my favorite color when, as a child, I was required by law to have a favorite color ('Cause, you know, it was one of those things we were always asked.).

Without a strap, I have the perfect excuse to head on over to Guitar Center today. Yay!
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Post by: Nodaisho on 07 Apr 2008, 12:53
My friend lusts after a double-neck too, the local store had an epiphone one, he played it whenever he got the chance, but it was expensive.

I don't think we have a separate amps thread, so I was wondering: How important is getting a new amp if all I have is a Behringer 15 watt tube? I don't use it much, I would want to get something better if I were gigging regularly, but do I need a new one if I am not playing in front of people often?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 07 Apr 2008, 12:55
Dogg, the difference in sound between a behringer and something else is countable.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 07 Apr 2008, 13:19
Yeah, but is it enough that someone with very little income to spare needs to get a different amp? I am currently saving for an SG, but that will take a while.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 07 Apr 2008, 13:25
Uhm, are you going to be playing with a band, and how much are you willing to spend are two questions to consider.  'Cause, I mean, if it's just you, and you have a fairly flexible budget, a VOX AC15 will only set you back about $500-600, or less, if you can pick up a used one.  They are also apparently incredibly loud for 15 watt amps.
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Post by: sk8brder40 on 07 Apr 2008, 13:48
Pshh...

Cheap 500 dollar Ibanez Gio strat-lookalike and cheap Aria acoustic FTW! Hahaha
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Apr 2008, 13:56
Hah. While some may be satisfied with an overseas-made Ibanez superStrat, I've got my U.S.-made Gibson and I -still- pine after other guitars.

I guess to each their own.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 07 Apr 2008, 13:56
your "cheap" $500 guitar is almost as much as I am planning on spending on a US-made Gibson. Not sure whether that means the gibson is cheap, the GIO is overpriced (my friend has their SG-clone bass, I don't care for it much, but I haven't used any other bass, it could just be my wimpy fingers), or what.

I would be playing with a band, not sure how much I would be willing to pay, though, I guess I will have to look at different ones until I see something that I like for the price.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sk8brder40 on 07 Apr 2008, 14:02
True, it's not exactly cheap in price. I just meant a cheap-made guitar.

Bought it used from someone's basement for 120, so it was well worth it for me :)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 07 Apr 2008, 14:06
I guess it all really comes down to your budget.  If you're like me, and you can't afford a whole hell of a lot (I am going to start saving money for college, here), you may have to acquire it over time.  I'm going to finish paying off my Hot Rod DeVille, buy a ProCo TurboRAT, and that will probably be all I'll be able to afford, until I get out of college.  Or I'll just have to periodically set money aside for the Hagstrom I want.  But yeah, if you're going to be playing with a band, you'll want something with some balls.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sk8brder40 on 07 Apr 2008, 14:08
Yeah, if you have a tight budget, don't be afraid of looking through the paper.

You can find some great, used instruments for good prices. So what if it's a tad scuffed? Put on some new strings and it sounds fine!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 07 Apr 2008, 14:08
There's also this wonderful website called Craigslist.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Apr 2008, 14:09
Ebay.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 07 Apr 2008, 14:14
Yeah, but Craigslist is an online classifieds, so you can find people in your area.  Which is great, because you can go test the stuff before you buy it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Apr 2008, 21:31
Yeah, eBaying amps just isn't the best idea
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Apr 2008, 04:51
Yeah, if you have a tight budget, don't be afraid of looking through the paper.

You can find some great, used instruments for good prices. So what if it's a tad scuffed? Put on some new strings and it sounds fine!

I've been trolling the classifieds of my local paper for guitars for two years.

There's been ONE MIM Strat for sale. In two years. That's it. Nothing else.
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Post by: onewheelwizzard on 08 Apr 2008, 07:22
So last time I went to a band practice the guitarist (who is an oldhead collector who really just wants to play his Stones covers for the rest of his life) pulled out one of these:

(https://www.proguitarshop.com/images/site/COMANCHE-SB-Full.jpg)

I only flipped out a little bit, but I'd never seen one before and didn't know what it was (for those in the same situation, it's a G&L Comanche, one of the guitars Leo Fender made after getting bought out of Fender ... and he personally claims that G&L was where he did his best work).

I'm pretty sure that if I were a guitar player and not a bass player I'd actually hate the man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Apr 2008, 07:33
Yeah, G&L (and to that extent, their overseas "Tribute" line) is good stuff. If I end up with a new guitar this year, I'm considering shelling out the extra $50 or so to get a Tribute ASAT Classic instead of an MIM Tele.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 08 Apr 2008, 08:35
I've been trolling the classifieds of my local paper for guitars for two years.

There's been ONE MIM Strat for sale. In two years. That's it. Nothing else.

Same deal in Sitka, Alaska. Fortunately, I have free The Inter-nets at the library and a credit card.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DMart on 08 Apr 2008, 16:36
Right now I feel very lucky to be in Melbourne... established music scene = lots of used instruments etc.

I went to 3 guitar shops that had a good few used basses each, and they were all within about 10km of the city. And then there's this place:
www.musicswopshop.com.au (http://www.musicswopshop.com.au)

That said, the printed classifieds are still fairly bare.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 08 Apr 2008, 17:31
dfsadfsadf BASS

ohmygod WANT!

That is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 08 Apr 2008, 23:52
have all y'all talkin about newspapers heard of called craig (http://www.craigslist.org)?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 09 Apr 2008, 00:10
There's also this wonderful website called Craigslist.
Sorry, doesn't ring a bell.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 11 Apr 2008, 07:56
Need mo' action roun here.


It's funny, people around this forum diss strats, but this poster here, is gonna buy yet another U.S.A. made Strat. 40th Anniversary Edition this time.


I'm so glad they're not hype right, now, they're cheap in the used sections, unlike their "cooler" brother.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Apr 2008, 08:05
I don't hate Strats..I just find them somewhat boring at times.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 11 Apr 2008, 12:48
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Blackheart-BH5H-and-BH112-Half-Stack?sku=483078

Holy crap you guys, holy crap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 11 Apr 2008, 18:20
That is too fucking sexy.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 11 Apr 2008, 18:35
I don't hate Strats..I just find them somewhat boring at times.

Not in the right hands!! mwahahah!

Also, I've heard good stuff about those BlackHearts. They're supposed to be quite decent, and for that price, I'd see myself grabbing one, should they become available locally.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Apr 2008, 18:37
A shop about 45 minutes away or so has a few. They are QUITE NICE.
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Post by: Spluff on 11 Apr 2008, 18:56
Yeah, the only one I can find in Australia costs $800. That's ridiculous.

Anybody wanna ship me one from America?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Just One More... on 11 Apr 2008, 21:12
Fender strats are potentially the best guitars ever made, but they are a bit over played. I think people should experiment with their guitars. I have a Les Paul and am getting a Fender Tele. Then there's my Takamine acoustic, JUMBO sized body, btw. But all in all, great guitar, besides the fact that it's about the most obvious choice of guitar for most beginners.

I'm saving up for a parker fly.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Apr 2008, 21:14
I hate Parkers.  At least the P42.  My friend has one.  I really don't like the pickups.  'Course, those are changeable.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 11 Apr 2008, 21:23
My wife would probably trade you one for $300 worth of red licorice (http://www.kookaburralicorice.com/kooka/index1.html), depending on how much it costs in Australia. That shit is addictive.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 11 Apr 2008, 21:53
Then there's my Takamine acoustic, JUMBO sized body, btw. But all in all, great guitar, besides the fact that it's about the most obvious choice of guitar for most beginners.
Not really.  Dreadnaughts are much more popular for beginners than Jumbos, so don't feel too bad.  :)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Just One More... on 11 Apr 2008, 22:20
Then there's my Takamine acoustic, JUMBO sized body, btw. But all in all, great guitar, besides the fact that it's about the most obvious choice of guitar for most beginners.
Not really.  Dreadnaughts are much more popular for beginners than Jumbos, so don't feel too bad.  :)

Oh, I'm well aware Dreadnaughts are far more popular for the beginner types, I was actually referring to the Fender/Squire Strat. I guess that was poor wording on my part, hehehe...

But I loooove my jumbo body.. It.. It is... It is aerodynamically curvacious, if you catch my drift :roll:
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 12 Apr 2008, 04:30
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8975/11032008052gs8.th.jpg) (http://"http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11032008052gs8.jpg")

Here are my Strats, both U.S.A. Made, top one being a Highway 1, bottom being the 40th Anniversary 1954 Replica Strat.

The red one is stringed with with 10-52 strings (on a strat, hell yeah baby), teal one is right now with 9-42, but I'm gonna get some 10-46 goodness on this baby, sounds too twangy like this.

Really good guitars, the 40th Ann. guitar has a great neck, a lot faster than my fat vintage neck on the Highway 1, and the action is superbly low for a strat. I've seen Ibanez with worse necks than this one.

Oh, and they sound awesome, first one has Custom '69 handwound pickups, which are going to make a switcharoo towards the teal one, and I'll probably make a fat strat out of the Highway 1, get two humbuckers on that, make it like a Fender Lead III
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Post by: Lummer on 12 Apr 2008, 05:38
Goddamnit you guys.

My seven-string is SO GODDAMNED AWESOME.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 12 Apr 2008, 06:20
10-52 strings (on anything, hell yeah baby)

fix'd..partially. I play .12-.52s
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Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Apr 2008, 06:59
I can't even remember what I have on my Strat.  I think I have .010-.046.  I loved the tone they had when they were brand new.
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Post by: valley_parade on 12 Apr 2008, 07:02
New strings always sound WAY too bright for my liking. Maybe I'm just fucking weird, though.
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Post by: PECOAE on 12 Apr 2008, 07:55
God I wish I had my Jaguar right now.

I can't even replace the bridge and make it a Mustang bridge because I don't have the money and my dad's taken it away and won't give me the money and I have a show at southpaw next week with my band and KSJHDJHJKHFJKHFJHKJKHF.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Apr 2008, 07:58
They didn't sound horribly bright to me.  But that may be because I had been using .09-.042's on it before, and those were fucking jangly.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 12 Apr 2008, 11:24
I don't know guys, tonight is my first gig with the new strat, and I kinda digged the janglyness of the strat on the soundcheck.

Am I a pussy for playing 09-42's?

Don't answer.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Apr 2008, 12:19
No, you're not.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Apr 2008, 12:29
teal one is right now with 9-42, but I'm gonna get some 10-46 goodness on this baby, sounds too twangy like this

sounds too twangy like this

too twangy

Error: does not compute.

(Jaguar mention)

my dad's taken it away

Solution: dickpunch. That is my final answer.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 12 Apr 2008, 14:24
Guys, how would you feel if I said I got a slightly used USA Gibson Firebird VII for about half it's price?

Description and pics up later when I get them
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Post by: Beastmouth on 12 Apr 2008, 14:28
Guys, how would you feel if I said I got a slightly used USA Gibson Firebird VII for about half it's price?

Description and pics up later when I get them
Half list?   You still paid too much!  ;-)

Awesome guitar, tho.  With vibrato or stop tail?
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Post by: Bearer on 12 Apr 2008, 14:30
With, and it's not the red with gold hardware kind either, it's the more obscure Blue with chrome.    Just wait till I get the pics up though.

EDIT:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_0988.jpg)
Just look how awesome it looks, and yes, that case is actually pink inside, not red.  so much cooler than the red with gold.  It has a smudge in the paint job, but it's not that bad and I think it gives it uniqueness, and it is a pretty freaking unique guitar anyway!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_0983.jpg)
My aunt and I rocking out (her with her Red Flying V with EMG Pickups!)
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Post by: squawk on 12 Apr 2008, 15:16
huagl
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Post by: valley_parade on 12 Apr 2008, 15:45
pelham blue firebird blaaaaaaaaawwwwww sex.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Just One More... on 12 Apr 2008, 15:50
That's one bitchin' firebird, dude! Great guitars, really. And the paint is badass.
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Post by: Thrillho on 12 Apr 2008, 16:20
I don't even like Flying Vs, but I still want to nail your aunt now.

Seriously though, I don't like either of those guitars, so I'll just be on my way.
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Post by: FireAarro on 12 Apr 2008, 16:50
That's really nice. And your aunt is way metal.
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Post by: Bearer on 12 Apr 2008, 17:08
Yeah, she's a guitar freak.  She has a few signed ones, one by Nancy Wilson from Heart and Janis Joplin's sister.  Also, she's way into the ladies, so sorry DynamiteKid.  Anyway, the 3 way on the bird is pretty cool, it goes :
Neck/Mid+bridge/Bridge
And each sound is actually really awesome.  The vibrato bar takes some getting used to, but I don't really use it much anyway.  The sound?  Godly, especially coming out of a Fender Twin.  I still like my Strat (which is currently in the shop getting that push/pull pot installed) but I think I've got a new baby.  The Fender guy inside me just died a little
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Post by: Beastmouth on 12 Apr 2008, 19:37
Yeah, she's a guitar freak.  She has a few signed ones, one by Nancy Wilson from Heart and Janis Joplin's sister.  Also, she's way into the ladies, so sorry DynamiteKid.  Anyway, the 3 way on the bird is pretty cool, it goes :
Neck/Mid+bridge/Bridge
And each sound is actually really awesome.  The vibrato bar takes some getting used to, but I don't really use it much anyway.  The sound?  Godly, especially coming out of a Fender Twin.  I still like my Strat (which is currently in the shop getting that push/pull pot installed) but I think I've got a new baby.  The Fender guy inside me just died a little
You had to send yr guitar to the shop just to get a new pot?  ;_;

Also, congrats on not get obnoxious gold hardware. 
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Post by: Bearer on 12 Apr 2008, 20:00
Yeah, I know I should have done it myself, but the guy I have doing it is pretty cool and I don't know anything about electronics/soldering.
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Post by: DMart on 12 Apr 2008, 20:31
I think your aunt would fit in really well in the comic...

and that firebird looks sex. and nimble!

Figured I might as well post this here:

(http://photos-141.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v239/68/35/682021141/n682021141_1133537_2464.jpg)
(http://photos-141.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v239/68/35/682021141/n682021141_1133530_6400.jpg)

My brother playing the guitar he made for himself... I forget all the details of it, except that he uses seymor-duncan pickups, and wired them up with a switch to toggle humbucking on/off (or something along those lines?). Photos were from our band's first gig.
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Post by: Patrick on 12 Apr 2008, 22:24
pelham blue firebird blaaaaaaaaawwwwww sex.

I'll drink to that, sir.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 12 Apr 2008, 23:18
Yeah, I know I should have done it myself, but the guy I have doing it is pretty cool and I don't know anything about electronics/soldering.
Too bad.  Adding in a push/pull is like the most perfect learning experience.  Still, let's hope it sounds fine when you get it back
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Post by: jeph on 12 Apr 2008, 23:49
goddamnit why are none of my aunts old rokker chixxx
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Post by: Spluff on 12 Apr 2008, 23:55
At least your uncle isn't an old rocker chick.
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Post by: jeph on 13 Apr 2008, 00:17
YOU LEAVE UNCLE JANET OUT OF THIS
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Apr 2008, 08:15
For some odd reason, that Gibson actually looks good next to that dude's outfit. Guitars don't look good next to that kind of outfit. I am intrigued.
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Post by: Bearer on 13 Apr 2008, 08:18
I know right?  I had just come home from something formal and was like, no, need to rokk now!

Also, interesting fact, the blue with chrome version isn't even mentioned on a lot of purchase sites.  weird...
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Post by: doombilly on 13 Apr 2008, 08:44
I hate Parkers.  At least the P42.  My friend has one.  I really don't like the pickups.  'Course, those are changeable.
meh!
All the P series are Meh!

Nitefly's on the other hand are awesome.
[img width= height=]http://lh5.ggpht.com/illicitizen/R_1TfTYOF0I/AAAAAAAABMA/4WxJKMgn-GA/s288/Milestone_094.jpg[/img] (http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/2008April4Milestone/photo#5187394143043589954)
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Post by: doombilly on 13 Apr 2008, 08:50
Also, congrats on not get obnoxious gold hardware. 
That is correct. Gold Hardware = worst than fascism, polio, small pox, herpes, death and taxes.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 13 Apr 2008, 17:49
I know there 'int much love for strats here, but I'd like to ask, what singlecoil sets you guys are fond of?

I need a new set for my new strat. My Highway 1 has the mighty powerful 69's Custom Shop PU's, and it spits out a massive low-end, specially stringed with 10-52's.

My other strat is stringed with 9-42, and I want a more clean, high treble, sparkling mediums, glassy tone. The more usual strat sound. I'm thinking Custom Shop 54 PU's, or SSL-1's from Seymour Duncan. Thoughts?
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Apr 2008, 18:27
Seymour Duncan's site is actually really helpful. A good rule of thumb that somebody taught me about a year ago: the more wire around the magnet, the higher the output. The other thing about that, though, is that it really spanks out the mids and the bass.

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think that may have something to do with why bass guitars played through guitar-specific amps = overdriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 13 Apr 2008, 18:46
Yeah, I wish Fender PU's would have the kind of samples Seymour Duncan offers.


I still want to test drive some Texas Specials... if they're good enough for SRV... though they might give the bluesy, ballsy tone my Highway 1 currently has, and I already have 2 very similar guitars, I don't need very similar tones.

I really like the current pickups on the guitar, which I assume, are loosely based on the 1954 guitar, since it's a 1954 replica. But the output is kind of shitty, and I think the highs arent as clear as they could be.

More testing is a-required.


EDIT: What about Kinman MK-II pickups? They sound they're exactly what I've been longing for. 260$ plus shipping from USA make me die a little inside. Maybe later this year, I already toasted like, 700 bucks yesterday.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Apr 2008, 18:48
So, is it just me, or have other people noticed more girls playing basses than playing normal guitars? Does anyone have an idea for why that might be? Seems like with smaller hands and fingers (on average), it would be easier to play a guitar, and I actually know a girl that hasn't found a bass she can play, because she can't reach the E, her hands are too small.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Apr 2008, 19:11
I do hope you realize that is a pretty rhetorical question and has been discussed multiple times 'round these parts.

(I believe, anyways.)
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Post by: Beastmouth on 13 Apr 2008, 19:27
For some odd reason, that Gibson actually looks good next to that dude's outfit. Guitars don't look good next to that kind of outfit. I am intrigued.
Get comfortable being sharp, then being comfortably sharp with a guitar is no sweat.
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Apr 2008, 19:37
I am comfortably rad-looking. Does that count?
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Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Apr 2008, 19:37
I do hope you realize that is a pretty rhetorical question and has been discussed multiple times 'round these parts.

(I believe, anyways.)
I thought I had remembered hearing something about it, but I wasn't sure. What would some terms to search for be? my search-fu is weak.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 13 Apr 2008, 19:46
No one cares about my strat topic.

//emo mode


I SHALL BLOOD-RELIC MY GUITAR WITH DROPLETS OF MY WRISTCUTTING BLOOD, AND EMBELISH MY VINTAGE AMP WITH MY VISCERAE(AEAEEEAEAE).

//off


Really, I've played in any kinds of clothing, and I still dig the black basic t-shirt, baggy jeans look.

I've tried the whole shirt and hat jazzy type combination, I just look like a freaking idiot, though I do like the hat thing. I gotta get me s'more hats.
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Post by: Bearer on 13 Apr 2008, 20:09
Yeah, I'm a fan of caps.  The more silly/ridiculus the better.  I've got a German Yodeling cap with a feather.  Beat that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Apr 2008, 20:22
No one cares about my strat topic.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/stratocaster/vintage/

That's pretty much all I can tell you, man. For the truly hardcore, you could remove a couple turns of the wiring on the pickups you've got on her right now. Drops the output slightly, but the highs will be nice and shiny.

You could always go to your amp, turn up the treble a bit, and drop the bass and mids. That's what I do with my SG. I like her to be nice and midsy, don't get me wrong, but I also like a lot of higher-band definition.
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Post by: valley_parade on 14 Apr 2008, 05:28
bottom being the 40th Anniversary 1954 Replica Strat.

*raises hand*

I'm calling shenanigans. Fender didn't start using rosewood fretboards until '58.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 14 Apr 2008, 13:17
bottom being the 40th Anniversary 1954 Replica Strat.

*raises hand*

I'm calling shenanigans. Fender didn't start using rosewood fretboards until '58.

It sure sounds good on my 1954 Replica Strat. Besides, if it isn't original, which I'm pretty darned sure it is, I just got a better fake than the original. It's all american, with the american neck (real slim and smooth I might add), great electronic, great pickups, perfect bridge...
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Post by: FireAarro on 14 Apr 2008, 23:37
Yeah, and the logo is completely wrong for the 50s.
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Post by: valley_parade on 15 Apr 2008, 04:56
I'm not saying it's not a Fender...just that if they're gonna call it a '54, they might as well get historically accurate.


Though, wait..40th anniversary? That's what..'94? Who knows what anyone was thinking in the 90s.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 15 Apr 2008, 09:32
Yeah it's a 94 guitar.

It totally rocks though, had it make a setup yesterday. Guy who did it used to restore Fender Relics in Portugal and Spain.

It's even better now, it sounds freaking amazing, best Fender I've ever played (and that's saying a lot).
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Post by: Red Peril on 15 Apr 2008, 11:14
I personally own a Hohner LX 250 G, which is a Les Paul knockoff, and I can confidently say it is the single best guitar I have ever played. I can't imagine these guitars have much of a rep because Hohner make accordians (I think), but the sound it makes is just terrifying because even the slightest touch leaks through to create a chaotic storm of noise with minimal effort. I'm a C+ guitarist at best but this guitar makes me at least 50% better, and it cost me £60. All I'm trying to say is that the guitar itself doesn't matter, just how well it suits you, and expensive stuff isn't necessarily better, for example I have seen at least 5 60's Les Pauls in shops that have clearly twisted necks.
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Post by: Jepser on 15 Apr 2008, 16:14
I got a Dean Vendetta, it's a pretty nice guitar. It's not a typical, angular, Dean guitar; more of a traditional shape. It has dual humbuckers, a rosewood fingerboard and it sounds really warm. It was quite cheap, a really good deal actually, although if I had enough money, I would go for a really good guitar, ideally a Fender Tele or Mustang, or Gibson SG. Those are my all-time favourite guitar models.  :-)

(http://www.spanjaardmuziek.nl/shop/images/dean-vendetta1_500_ffffff.jpg)

Also I got a really beat-up old Fender Sidekick amp, you have to be careful with it because it can make hella noise if you turn up all the buttons. xD

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Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Apr 2008, 17:38
That is the point, turn everything up all the way, everything has to be louder than everything else to rock. If you are getting noise complaints, you need to play louder.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 15 Apr 2008, 20:07
You know you have reached the appropriate volume when both your neighbors and the police dispatched on the noise complaint as well as everyone within a 10-block radius has had their mind shattered.

My friend may be getting a Tiny Terror.  I will steal it and call it my own.
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Post by: Bearer on 15 Apr 2008, 20:13
I might as well add now that my crazy rocker aunt has an Orange Rockerverb.  I wish I visited California more...
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Post by: Patrick on 15 Apr 2008, 21:47
If you are getting noise complaints, you need to play louder.

I was at band practice last night, and our keyboardist's son came upstairs and yelled at us to turn things down because he couldn't hear his Power Rangers DVD. You know what happened next.

Listen goddammit we are going to play our shitty surf version of "These Boots Are Made For Walking" as loud as we fucking want (or louder). And don't you dare come in and bitch about "OH NOEZ, I CANNOT HEARING MY POWER RANGERS" when I am playing "Pipeline" as the solo.

In short, 8-year-olds know nothing about rocking the fuck out.
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Post by: Jepser on 16 Apr 2008, 00:17
That is the point, turn everything up all the way, everything has to be louder than everything else to rock. If you are getting noise complaints, you need to play louder.
It makes ze creaking noises. And I don't mean distortion. xD
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Post by: Spluff on 16 Apr 2008, 00:54
You know you have reached the appropriate volume when both your neighbors and the police dispatched on the noise complaint as well as everyone within a 10-block radius has had their mind shattered.

My friend may be getting a Tiny Terror.  I will steal it and call it my own.

The size of the TT would make this so much easier than stealing, say, anything else.
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Post by: doombilly on 16 Apr 2008, 09:43
If you are getting noise complaints, you need to play louder.
SNIP
In short, 8-year-olds know nothing about rocking the fuck out.
Haha, my 8 yo puts on her headphones.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 16 Apr 2008, 19:58
You know you have reached the appropriate volume when both your neighbors and the police dispatched on the noise complaint as well as everyone within a 10-block radius has had their mind shattered.

My friend may be getting a Tiny Terror.  I will steal it and call it my own.

The size of the TT would make this so much easier than stealing, say, anything else.

Yeah, though I'm not sure what kind of cab he's getting.  He used to have this ridiculously large Fender 2x12, which had enough space for at least 2 more speakers.  That would be a bitch to steal.
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Post by: Ballard on 17 Apr 2008, 06:49
I might as well add now that my crazy rocker aunt has an Orange Rockerverb.  I wish I visited California more...

-.-
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Post by: Ballard on 17 Apr 2008, 21:14
So my girlfriend bought me a Martin for my birthday..

(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn167/JewManchu82/002-2.jpg)

(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn167/JewManchu82/005.jpg)

(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn167/JewManchu82/001.jpg)
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Post by: doombilly on 18 Apr 2008, 04:58
That is awesome, Ballard.
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Post by: valley_parade on 18 Apr 2008, 05:10
Your girlfriend bought you a Martin?

Does she have an older sister, Eugene?
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Post by: Spluff on 18 Apr 2008, 05:17
Ballard = Gold Martin digger?
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Post by: Ballard on 18 Apr 2008, 14:30
She's pretty amazing. I mean, I get her really nice gifts too but this topped all.

Sorry Shane buddy, she does not.
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Post by: diablo_man on 19 Apr 2008, 11:59
well here is a picture of my two babies. thats a 1991 ibanez rg 560 on the right, and a esp LTD ex-260 on the left.
when i got the ibanez it was a really beaten up thing, chuncks missing, off white yellowish colour. so i stripped it down and filled it, then repainted it. what do you think?
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/diablo_man/DSCF2805.jpg)


and if you are at all interested in how these sound, i have uploaded several videos of original guitar stuff(mostly metal riffing and soloing) that are apparently good.
heres the links
Riptide-metal riffing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpiY_JgKxHo)
Metal improv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi30o94iXRw&feature=user)
if you actually like those there is more on the profile there


oh and i forgot, this is the sexiest guitar ever made
(http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM03/Content/Schecter/PR/C-1-Classic-STB-lg.jpg)
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Post by: Just One More... on 19 Apr 2008, 12:09
So my girlfriend bought me a Martin for my birthday..
Wow. Nice guitar, and a nice girl, apparently. I wouldn't let her get away from ya, dude. Can't go wrong with a Martin.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 19 Apr 2008, 19:06
[IMG]Schecter[img]
Thanks... now I have to change my pants.
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Post by: Spluff on 19 Apr 2008, 19:27
Man, that guitar. Overkill much? Whatever happened to subtlety in guitars.
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Post by: valley_parade on 19 Apr 2008, 19:38
That's what the Les Paul Studio is for.
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Post by: Phaedra on 19 Apr 2008, 21:12
So, is it just me, or have other people noticed more girls playing basses than playing normal guitars? Does anyone have an idea for why that might be? Seems like with smaller hands and fingers (on average), it would be easier to play a guitar, and I actually know a girl that hasn't found a bass she can play, because she can't reach the E, her hands are too small.

I decided to learn bass for several reasons: Everyone and their dog around me can play 'normal' guitar; I find the low end more interesting sonically and tend to listen to it more closely in recorded music; and I think basses look and sound far more badass. And guitar strings are so thin and sharp I always think I'm gonna cut my fingers on them.

I have a question of my own. I want to change the scratchplate on my bass, it's a Fender Jazz: can I just pull it off and place the new one on with a screwdriver at home?
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Post by: valley_parade on 19 Apr 2008, 21:28
Depending on who makes the pickguard, you might have to fill in and re-drill a hole or two. Otherwise, it's really THAT straightforward.


Guys, it seems that Harmony is still around. (http://www.harmonyguitars.com/ProductHome.asp?pl=vintage) Awesome!
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Post by: FireAarro on 20 Apr 2008, 04:29
That's what the Les Paul Special with P90s FTWFTW is for.
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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Apr 2008, 04:30
DOUBLE CUTAWAY MAN.

They look so much better than the single cutaway ones.
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Post by: jeph on 20 Apr 2008, 05:21
So my girlfriend bought me a Martin for my birthday..

OH NOOOOOOOOO

dude I hate to tell you but the #1 rule of guitar buying is NEVER LET YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER BUY YOU A GUITAR. It's like getting a tattoo of her name- pretty much guarantees that you'll eventually break up and really regret it. It is a horrible horrible curse!

I think I even did a comic about this, but I can't remember.
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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Apr 2008, 05:37
Was that the one where the Sad Guitar t-shirt came from?
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Post by: sean on 20 Apr 2008, 14:00
Shane the sad guitar comes from when Martin pawns off his old guitar so he can afford to move to wherever the fuck the comic takes place from california.

FUCK WHY DO I REMEMBER THESE THINGS
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Post by: doombilly on 20 Apr 2008, 14:36
So my girlfriend bought me a Martin for my birthday..

OH NOOOOOOOOO

dude I hate to tell you but the #1 rule of guitar buying is NEVER LET YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER BUY YOU A GUITAR. It's like getting a tattoo of her name- pretty much guarantees that you'll eventually break up and really regret it. It is a horrible horrible curse!

I think I even did a comic about this, but I can't remember.
I don't recall the comic. It is kind of unavoidable if you have a band with your SO. My fiancee is my bassist. And she bought me my Parker Nightfly M. You know, if we break up and she takes it back, breaks it into small guitar frags, shoves it up one of my orifices; etc... that's just life. I'll have a lot more to worry about. I still play a guitar my ex-wife bought me.

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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Apr 2008, 14:53
I more than likely still have picks that exes have bought me. *shrug*
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Post by: Nodaisho on 20 Apr 2008, 15:46
So my girlfriend bought me a Martin for my birthday..

OH NOOOOOOOOO

dude I hate to tell you but the #1 rule of guitar buying is NEVER LET YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER BUY YOU A GUITAR. It's like getting a tattoo of her name- pretty much guarantees that you'll eventually break up and really regret it. It is a horrible horrible curse!

I think I even did a comic about this, but I can't remember.
Yeah, but you got a guitar out of the deal, didn't you?
And no, unless it was an indietits, I don't think you did. I don't remember the indietits ones so well, I think it has to do with the cut and paste artwork.

@Phaedra: Well, most people that can play guitar can play bass too, but don't because they are attention whores, which makes up most of the population of musicians. I can understand liking the lower end of the music, for me it really depends on the quality of the bass line or the guitar, I want to get a bass just to play stuff like Spacegrass, Orion, or For Whom the Bell Tolls, but that is going to come after a decent guitar and amp. Thanks for answering.
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Post by: Ballard on 20 Apr 2008, 17:02
Well, she flat out refuses to be in a band with me.

It's pretty much a good thing 'cause it would raise the likelihood of a break-up.

I don't really see myself ever regretting it, regardless of what happens with the relationship.
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Post by: E. Spaceman on 20 Apr 2008, 18:45
The benad would probably improve after the breakup, even.
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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Apr 2008, 19:16
Angst-riddled songs about other band members? On-stage quabbling and insulting?

That'd be a FANTASTIC band. Somebody do this now.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Apr 2008, 19:37
Taking Back Sunday and Brand New already did that.  In a sense...
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Post by: E. Spaceman on 20 Apr 2008, 19:41
ABBA did too, and one of them is firmly in my list of The Top Ten Songs Ever Written In The Last 100 Years
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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Apr 2008, 19:57
Yeah...but extra points for like..breaking up mid-set.
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Post by: diablo_man on 20 Apr 2008, 21:30
and then continuing on with the show.

"you bastard! i hate you and I slept with your brother!"

"oh yeah? well i never liked your cooking and since you gained weight i am no longer attracted to you! I'm filing for divorce!"

"ill see you in court!"




"... and here's one of our new album Love Eternal, 1..2..3..4 yeah!"
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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Apr 2008, 21:31
And in an attempt to steer us back on track...sup, new Eastwood.

(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/messenger/images/gtr_Grn-messenger.jpg)
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Post by: Crinte on 20 Apr 2008, 21:38
(http://www.richardthompson-music.com/albumart/sotl1.jpg)

It's been done, the results are delicious.
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Post by: E. Spaceman on 20 Apr 2008, 21:44
see also: Fleetwood Mac
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Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Apr 2008, 01:12
And in an attempt to steer us back on track...sup, new Eastwood.

[img]eastwoodguitars[img]
Oooh, nice. I am not much of one for semi-hollows, but that is nice.
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Post by: Patrick on 21 Apr 2008, 08:32
That's what the Faded SG Special is for.

ftfy, and I would like to let everybody know that I'll be seeing my replacement one in something like 9 days.

Until that day arrives, I'll be injecting a very potent cocaine solution directly into my coratid artery just so I have a chance to get used to being superfuckinggiddy all the time.
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Post by: jeph on 21 Apr 2008, 13:29
That Eastwood is pretty slick, although the green burst is kinda weird. Doesn't look like it'd balance very well either.

I finally got around to intonating my PRS 24 for drop-C tuning, since that's the only tuning I ever use on that guitar. Chords way up the neck sound really pretty now!
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Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Apr 2008, 16:54
That's what the Faded SG Special is for.

ftfy, and I would like to let everybody know that I'll be seeing my replacement one in something like 9 days.

Until that day arrives, I'll be injecting a very potent cocaine solution directly into my coratid artery just so I have a chance to get used to being superfuckinggiddy all the time.
Yeah, yeah, keep bragging. I still have less than $100 towards mine, my intermittent job isn't looking like it will have anything for another couple months. I need a real job, but that would include actually working frequently.
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Post by: Patrick on 21 Apr 2008, 18:06
Now I'm going to post like 5 pictures the day I get her just because I'm a dick.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Apr 2008, 18:12
I hate you.
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Post by: Patrick on 21 Apr 2008, 18:45
Hey MadassAlex have you posted pictures of yours yet? Because you should. I think they'd come in great right about now.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Apr 2008, 21:55
I would threaten some horrible form of revenge, but I am too lazy to actually think up a good one, so just pretend I did, okay?

Jeph, I thought you said your PRS couldn't pick up low tunings? Does that mean B or A tunings?
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Post by: Beastmouth on 22 Apr 2008, 16:26
got a Chinese Squier Imprecision Bass Sunday for $74, so now I get to have my own bass again.

the neck's wider than most 5 strings I've played but it plays well, need to give a set up tho. 
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Post by: jeph on 22 Apr 2008, 18:37
Jeph, I thought you said your PRS couldn't pick up low tunings? Does that mean B or A tunings?

Maybe you're thinking of my McCarty? The lower output pickups on that one don't sound good below drop-D. My Standard 24 rocks pretty hard in drop-C though.

yes I own two Paul Reed Smith guitars  :mrgreen: :-D :mrgreen: :-D :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 22 Apr 2008, 21:34
Jeph, I thought you said your PRS couldn't pick up low tunings? Does that mean B or A tunings?
yes I own two Paul Reed Smith guitars  :mrgreen: :-D :mrgreen: :-D :mrgreen:
I'm really sorry.
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Post by: jeph on 22 Apr 2008, 21:38
i'm sorry i can't read your post i am too busy having awesome guitars
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Post by: Patrick on 22 Apr 2008, 23:32
PRS are too polished and fancy and "Oh and here's my guitar polish" for my liking. I like a guitar where I don't have to care whether I get fingerprints all over the thing.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 23 Apr 2008, 00:45
Patrick. Flamed maple. If you don't like that, we can't be friends anymore.

Ah, they have different pickups? I figured that they used the same kind, I should have known they weren't, but it seems logical to me to have only one or two kinds of pickups being used, a single-coil and a humbucker, simplifies production, but of course, you get different tones with different kinds, so efficiency isn't the most important thing. Is it the McCarty Soapbar or just McCarty?

Yes, you have awesome guitars, and your job is making QC, but there is something else you have that I don't have.

Fans that talk about having sex with your characters.
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Post by: Thrillho on 23 Apr 2008, 11:14
Yeah...but extra points for like..breaking up mid-set.

I've not bothered reading the last page, but are we talking about the Jesus and Mary Chain?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 23 Apr 2008, 12:16
PRS are too polished and fancy and "Oh and here's my guitar polish" for my liking. I like a guitar where I don't have to care whether I get fingerprints all over the thing.

You'd love my standard 24. No fancy flamed maple, just a satin transparent black finish (which is slowly getting rubbed shiny by playing the guitar- the neck feels like JESUS now) over one-piece mahogany.

The McCarty, on the other hand, has a super shiny burst finish and a really nice flamed top.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 23 Apr 2008, 21:25
Patrick. Flamed maple. If you don't like that, we can't be friends anymore.
Tiger maple is fugly.  There, I said it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 23 Apr 2008, 21:39
PRS are too polished and fancy and "Oh and here's my guitar polish" for my liking. I like a guitar where I don't have to care whether I get fingerprints all over the thing.

You'd love my standard 24. No fancy flamed maple, just a satin transparent black finish (which is slowly getting rubbed shiny by playing the guitar- the neck feels like JESUS now) over one-piece mahogany.

The McCarty, on the other hand, has a super shiny burst finish and a really nice flamed top.

I admit that I'm pretty jealous. While PRS guitars do give off a bit of a 'polished coffee table' vibe, that doesn't change the fact that they're still extremely nice to look at and have a rather nice tone, although I'd still take my old Les Paul over a PRS.

Have you seen the 'modern eagle' one of whatever it's called? Now THAT is a beautiful guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Apr 2008, 01:56
Mmm, satin finishes are delicious and that is an indesputable fact. I mean you could dispute it, but if you do you're a terrorist. Which reminds me:



Dear Nodaisho,

6 days.

Love,
Patrick
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 24 Apr 2008, 02:07
Patrick, your new one is going to get fucked up quickly, and I will laugh when you need to send it back in again.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Apr 2008, 02:17
Haha, 18 days after I get her back, I'm going to be in the States again anyway. And shipping from Alaska is a bitch but it can be done.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 24 Apr 2008, 02:31
Yeah, but it would still be a pain, and after you had been bragging about how you had gotten it back, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Apr 2008, 02:55
This time I'll use my mother's camera on the macro setting so you can see each individual splinter.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 24 Apr 2008, 06:37
Have you seen the 'modern eagle' one of whatever it's called? Now THAT is a beautiful guitar.

I saw one in an ad one time. Really faded blue finish. Looked like someone had taken a pair of old-ass jeans and made it into a guitar.


(it was pretty cool)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 24 Apr 2008, 10:49
Patrick. Flamed maple. If you don't like that, we can't be friends anymore.
Tiger maple is fugly.  There, I said it.
Not a fan of flamey guitars either. I think it is the preponderance of crappy Epi LP's I've seen. Maybe it is just because I don't like it. Plus I feel like, ugh, it's veneer or a "cap" or whatever. It's a countertop to cover up your guitar might be some bs fuglier looking wood underneath. And if I am playing a plywood guitar, I want it to look like that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: diablo_man on 24 Apr 2008, 12:27
grrr, some serious quality control issues with gibsons these days. hell, yesterday i went to the local shop, took down their $3000+ gibson les paul and played it and was not impressed. sure thats partially my opinion but for 3000 dollars i would want a flamed maple top to be properly bookmatched! that one looked like each side was from a different tree.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 24 Apr 2008, 13:07
grrr, some serious quality control issues with gibsons these days. hell, yesterday i went to the local shop, took down their $3000+ gibson les paul and played it and was not impressed. sure thats partially my opinion but for 3000 dollars i would want a flamed maple top to be properly bookmatched! that one looked like each side was from a different tree.
I hear you. I think it was some really beautiful Gibson I'd seen some years ago, ES-347 or something. This would have been late 90's or early oughties.  The one's they sent to be reviewed -and this was nearly a $5k Gibson were all flawed and had a bunch of just plain screw ups in the finish. I think that made me pause and think that if you send a guitar that screwed up to a national publication for review you might just be morons. I've played some nice ones. And any company is going to put out some bad ones. But dayum.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Apr 2008, 13:25
Man, and there I was about 30 minutes ago in a conversation with somebody on AIM or something, saying how handcrafted instruments are awesome. But that story, the endless accounts of headstock breaks that I heard after mine happened, the neck joint issues on early SGs and the reissues thereof...

ITT: Fender's fucking radical
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 24 Apr 2008, 13:30
Man, and there I was about 30 minutes ago in a conversation with somebody on AIM or something, saying how handcrafted instruments are awesome. But that story, the endless accounts of headstock breaks that I heard after mine happened, the neck joint issues on early SGs and the reissues thereof...

ITT: Fender's fucking radical
I could pretty much stop a battleship with my 70's 'stang. For some really peculiar reason it is heavier than a P or Jazz bass. I mean there is something deranged about that little bastard. Maria's neck through uber maple Carvin bass is the only heavier instrument we have I think.

Also,
All guitars should have stainless steel frets. It's on my evil dictator list with a complete ban on gold hardware. B F Skinner was right. we need to move Beyond Freedom and Dignity (he was really talking about nickel frets, and fugly gold hardware).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 24 Apr 2008, 13:40
Have you seen the 'modern eagle' one of whatever it's called? Now THAT is a beautiful guitar.

Yeah...the Modern Eagles kind of piss me off, because they're the kind of guitar that's so expensive it's not even meant to be played. Just hang it on your wall so your lawyer friends think you're cool, that sort of thing.

Gibsons have had quality control issues, expecially in their finishes, for years and years. I think it's probably because they still do everything by hand, whereas people like fender and PRS use robots for everything now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 24 Apr 2008, 13:51
Gibsons have had quality control issues, expecially in their finishes, for years and years. I think it's probably because they still do everything by hand, whereas people like fender and PRS use robots for everything now.
So a hand built Gibson with a robot tuner = you are not getting it?
(I'd never use one, a robot tuner; that is- I'd have an ES-335 or some such)

And guitars not meant to be played. Wouldn't that not make you just jump on their couch, snatch it off the wall straddle the guitar and play it with your teeth until the barrister wrestled you to the ground? I bet that guy has a Harley worth more than all three of our vehicles.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 24 Apr 2008, 14:27
Man, and there I was about 30 minutes ago in a conversation with somebody on AIM or something, saying how handcrafted instruments are awesome. But that story, the endless accounts of headstock breaks that I heard after mine happened, the neck joint issues on early SGs and the reissues thereof...

ITT: Fender's fucking radical
You're actually complaining about design flaws here, though. 

It doesn't matter if a creaking CNC machine or George D'Angelico himself makes a guitar if it's built from a flawed design. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 24 Apr 2008, 14:42

Gibsons have had quality control issues, expecially in their finishes, for years and years. I think it's probably because they still do everything by hand, whereas people like fender and PRS use robots for everything now.


I just looked at Gibson's photos of their process; it looks like they use robots as much as PRS, that is, for CNC rough cut of body and neck and cavity routing. Finishing isn't automated at PRS; looks like Gibson just isn't very good at what they do. Also, their neck shaping method is retarded.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 24 Apr 2008, 17:36
Gibson quit making things by hand when they shut down in Kalamazoo
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 25 Apr 2008, 00:36
You're actually complaining about design flaws here, though. 

It doesn't matter if a creaking CNC machine or George D'Angelico himself makes a guitar if it's built from a flawed design. 

Sure, but there's compromises that can be made without sacrificing the structural integrity of the neck while improving that of the headstock. But I can go for years about this.

Can I go back to masturbating over Squier instruments now?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 25 Apr 2008, 05:04
You can fap to Avril Lavigne all you want. but WHY ON EARTH did Squier give her a signature Tele?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Rusty Kuntz on 25 Apr 2008, 08:56
Here are my guitars:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/jacke1/guits.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Gemmwah on 25 Apr 2008, 09:24
Please donate the dano on the far left and the LP to me, I am poor and in need of guitars.

Edit: Also, what's the model of the dano? I am actually dying to get my hands on one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 25 Apr 2008, 10:38
That's a '59 Pro DC. They discontinued them last year. Going on eBay anywhere from $250-400 right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Gemmwah on 25 Apr 2008, 10:47
Wow, that's way less than I was expecting. Sweet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Rusty Kuntz on 25 Apr 2008, 11:57
Please donate the dano on the far left and the LP to me, I am poor and in need of guitars.

Edit: Also, what's the model of the dano? I am actually dying to get my hands on one.

I've had that Les Paul for 23 years so no.  :mrgreen:

The black Dano is a baritone guitar, the regular model is called a 56-U2.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Apr 2008, 09:52
I'll take the Tele, the Les Paul, and that maroon Dano '59 DC. Especially that Paul, it looks like it's seen a few years (but has been beautifully well-kept).

Also, I can't tell if that acoustic archtop with the f-holes is a Kay or not. If it is, I wants it. :B
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Apr 2008, 09:59
I'll take the Harmony semi-hollow, thanks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 27 Apr 2008, 13:04
(http://i.somethingawful.com/u/russ/goldmine56/girlguitar.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Apr 2008, 13:06
Mannetar?  Guitarequin?   :?

So, at my local guitar shop, there's this used Johnson hollowbody jazz guitar.  I played it through the amp I'm getting, and it sounds pretty sweet.  It also has the kind of finish I want, and it's only three hundred dollars.  The downside is: gold hardware.  At least the pickups are gold-plated.  I'd also have to put lighter gauge strings on it.  But hey, a three hundred dollar guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Apr 2008, 13:11
My first guitar was a Johnson. I still have it and if not for the shitty electronics it'd still be playable.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 27 Apr 2008, 15:29
Emilio that is the creepiest thing I have ever seen.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 27 Apr 2008, 18:33
I'm not sure which is creepier, the guitar itself or the guy playing it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 27 Apr 2008, 19:48
The guy playing it looks like any or a combination of the following people:

The guy from Wolfmother
The guy from The Mars Volta
The guy from Coheed and Cambria
Kimya Dawson
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 27 Apr 2008, 19:57
I went and hung out at my local music store yesterday.  My friend and I were fooling around with some gorgeous Lakland basses, and we got to talking with one the cool employees there.  It turns out he has the weirdest upright bass known to man.  It's from sometime in World War II, and was made for Kay by the Ford Motor Company.  It has an aluminum body.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 27 Apr 2008, 20:28
RESONATOR UPRIGHT BASS YESSSSSSS.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 27 Apr 2008, 20:30
That sounds like the best bass ever.

WANT!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 27 Apr 2008, 23:16
At first I thought you were talking about these-

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bassplayer.com/oldcontentimages/Thumb/r/p/d/DSC_3840_2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bassplayer.com/article/1956-framus-triumph/jan-06/16464&h=224&w=120&sz=3&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=ucY_sznSx1t5_M:&tbnh=108&tbnw=58&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dframus%2Btriumph%2Bbass%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

The Framus Triumph.  I have never seen one in real life.  I thought because of the metallic finish that they were metal, but they're actually wood.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 28 Apr 2008, 06:55
Here are my guitars:

(http://many guitars)
WIN!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 28 Apr 2008, 20:14
o yeah?! well take this
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm13/chaon93/100_0233.jpg)
no one can out cheap us!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 29 Apr 2008, 12:27
I'm getting my amp today!  WOO!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Apr 2008, 15:52
SG tomorrow.

HEY NODAISHO ARE YOU ENVIOUS YET
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 29 Apr 2008, 16:39
Excuse me, did we skip over something?

Namely, WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT DOUBLE ROCK BAND DRUMSET THING?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 29 Apr 2008, 16:48
Its two Rockband drumsets, which are connected to a laptop, which is connected to an amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 29 Apr 2008, 16:57
What exactly does this do for you?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 29 Apr 2008, 17:52
When plunged into the PC, it basically acts as a digital drum set, only you could theoretically map different sounds to each pad.  Setting the pads up in a binary configuration could be cool (different "notes" when the pedal is held down or whatever).  The band The Guitar Zeroes did it with Guitar Hero controllers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbpZBQ7jXgI).  They could hit about 31 different notes without changing any of the settings.  They're actually alright for what they are.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 30 Apr 2008, 06:36
SG tomorrow.
Careful with that axe, Patrick.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Apr 2008, 06:55
SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG SG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!$y@jtfiwjkirvgioejrIGIOESJGEMIORIG543J8HJHJHIOHJIOHJIOHJIOJIO

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2717.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 30 Apr 2008, 07:03
o/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Gemmwah on 30 Apr 2008, 07:06
Dear God, Patrick that thing is beautiful.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 30 Apr 2008, 07:13
just don't do what I did with my LP and leave it in your car for 10 minutes while you go to get something from a friend's place. INSURE IT. NEVER LET IT OUT OF YOUR SITE.

And naturally, play the absolute shit out of it  8-)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Apr 2008, 07:29
You know I only just got her back from busting the headstock in October, right? :B

I would probably take a whole-guitar picture, but I don't feel like it. Why should I take pictures of the SG when I can destroy the house next door with sound waves?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 30 Apr 2008, 07:32
Why should I take pictures of the SG when I can destroy the house next door with sound waves?

See, this kid gets it..

Anyways, congrats Patrick, and welcome back on the humbucker wagon. We've missed you.

On a side note: I'm getting a new 7-string pretty damn soon!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 30 Apr 2008, 09:13
Oh dear, it seems I have been stricken with guitar envy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 30 Apr 2008, 11:21
FUG
(http://www.colbynichols.com/illustration/wood3.jpg)
LY?
Congrats on the SG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 30 Apr 2008, 11:22
Not so bad if the back design were on the front.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Gemmwah on 30 Apr 2008, 11:34
I well like that, actually. It's adorable.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Apr 2008, 11:45
I was just telling Shane the same thing. Although I do agree that it'd be better if it were a bit simpler. At least, that's what I'm assuming is what Shane likes about the design on the back.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 30 Apr 2008, 11:51
Spot on.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 30 Apr 2008, 13:49
I'm a bit late for this, but...

Patrick's SG,

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Apr 2008, 14:37
It is never too late to give me attention.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DMart on 30 Apr 2008, 15:31
Quote from: doombilly
custom lp

I quite like it... I half agree with the back-to-front thing but i like how detailed the front is. Might look cool with the colours used on the back but the design of the front?


Also... does it seriously say "Music Saves Lives" on the back?!?

[edit: Oooooooh, it's part of the "Music Saves Lives" project. Got it.]
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 30 Apr 2008, 17:06
Guys, I think we all forgot how awesome my Firebird is, lets get back on topic

Anyway, that SG is all kinds of sexcellent.  In other news, I just got an Ibanez Mandolin for $180.  In other other news, My Grandad's 1940s Gibson ES-335 is finally finished being worked on!  it should arrive within the next week or two!  Pics when it happens!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 30 Apr 2008, 18:09
Well, I think the XBox 360 controllers are USB right off, so if you've got the PS2/3 version, you'll need an adapter to even hook it up.  As far as making music with it, I know there's some sort of mapping program out there, watch that video I posted, they mention it in there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 01 May 2008, 06:09
Grandad's 1940s Gibson ES-335
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 May 2008, 07:22
Quote from: Wiki article on the ES-335
The Gibson ES-335 was the world's first commercial semi-hollowbody electric guitar, released by Gibson Guitar Corporation in 1958.

 :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 01 May 2008, 08:54
Grandad's 1940s Gibson ES-335
135?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 May 2008, 10:10
135 would make more sense.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 01 May 2008, 17:34
Ok, so I'm not a total fucking guitar nerd, I'm sorry!  GOSH!  It's actually a 130 now that I checked.

Anyway, it came like 2 freaking weeks early!  It is honestly the most beautiful fucking thing I've ever seen (even if the new pickguard broke off in transit...assholes).  I'll get pictures up in a bit, prepare yourselves!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 May 2008, 23:15
Oh believe me you, my self? TOTALLY FUCKING PREPARED
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 02 May 2008, 01:45
Ok, so I'm not a total fucking guitar nerd, I'm sorry!  GOSH! 
That's, 'Ok, so I'm not a total fucking guitar nerd yet[/b], I'm sorry! 

;-)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 02 May 2008, 02:55
Oh believe me you, my self? TOTALLY FUCKING PREPARED

Translation: My pants are down, and the vaseline is uncapped.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 May 2008, 03:50
Fuck you, I use vegetable oil.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 02 May 2008, 03:55
Real men have no need for such things. Real men use gravel.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 02 May 2008, 06:45
Anyone got any good (or bad) references on Weeping Willow Lutherie?

I'm thinking about ordering one of them bad mother-effers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 02 May 2008, 12:44
Ok, I was wrong again, turns out it's an ES-300 actually.  Still, behold what a 60 year old Gibson archtop looks like:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_1333.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_1335.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_1336.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_1339.jpg)

I have no more words for how godly this thing is.  The tone is angelic, the sustain goes on for miles, and it's roughly 60 fucking years old!  Vintage?  Only hell yeah!

My dad sent it out to get restored after his mom found it in her basement (shortly after her husband died).  It has a LOT of history.  It was given to my Grandfather by a friend where he didn't actually play it all that much.  After he got older, it was given to his two sons (he's actually my step grandfather).  Those sons abused the guitar in a horrible fashion, the neck cracked, the finish battered, the pickguard broken, pouring some sort of irremovable sealant on the pickups, etc...).  Then, it was given back to my grandfather where it was kept in the basement.  After he died, my Grandmother found it, and my Dad (with the help of my rocker Aunts) decided to have it restored.  It comes back to us now almost new!  It's like walking into a guitar shop in the 40's and seeing this thing with a "for sale" sign on it.  The only complaint is that the pickguard broke off during transit, so My dad's going to rip those guys a new one, but until then, this work of art is in my house!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 May 2008, 12:48
I was going to be the first one to say something.

.. but I don't really have anything to say.

(Can we kill him and take it, guys? He can't see if you type in parentheses)

EDIT: fuck yes new page
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 May 2008, 12:49
Holy FUCK. Nice.

(do we keep it or eBay it?)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cernunnos on 02 May 2008, 12:50
HAUGHLABLAUUUUUGH
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 May 2008, 13:11
Whoa whoa whoa. What the FUCK. You see on the headstock veneer under the new logo? Look at the indented bit. That is fucking bullshit. They put the new Gibson logo over top of the original one.

I mean, damn, that is a beautiful restoration job, but what the fuck did they do to that headstock logo?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 02 May 2008, 13:15
Ya know, now that I see what you mean (I hadn't noticed it cause like I said, not a nerd (yet)), that is kind of disturbing.

Most of the hardware had to be replaced (Parts of the tail-piece, all the tuners, and one of the knobs), the neck had to be planed, and a lot of body work.  It also had to be refinished.  Even if the headstock logo is messed up, It's still pretty beautiful to behold.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 May 2008, 13:17
The question is, does this have any vintage value at all anymore? Or just mega cool points?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 May 2008, 13:33
I'd say it's mostly massive cool points, but if the wood is still the same (it appears to be, that maple don't look new...) and if the pickups and the electronics are the same (those pickups are the only things I'd have worried about, and they're pretty obviously the same ones) then I'd say you still get a good dose of vintage value. This is just me, though.

Do you have any "before" shots?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 02 May 2008, 13:54
Unfortunately no, I don't.  We didn't have a working digital camera when my dad first picked it up.  Looking back, I REALLY wish I did.  Also, yes, the pickups are the same.  They also gave us all the old replaced parts in a bag.  Also, the guitar was totally unplayable in it's before state.  Rusted and broken parts all over the place, it was a mess.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 May 2008, 14:04
They also gave us all the old replaced parts in a bag.

This is really important.

Keep those parts no mater what. If you ever decide to sell the guitar, it will be worth twice as much with the parts included.

I can't really explain this phenomenon, but hardcore collectors care far more about original parts than overall playability.

For example, an old Ampeg amp came into the shop I work at with a completely busted, torn in half leather handle on top. I was charged with taking off the old handle and brackets and putting on a new set. Once I was done, I signaled to my boss that the job was finished and innocently said "so, should I just throw these out?" referring to the original, busted shit.

The guy nearly DOVE at me before I could do it. He then explained that there are plenty of nuts who, if they were to be interested in the amp for it's vintage value, would only buy it with the original parts included.

Fuckin', you could collect the dust off a long untouched Marshall head and sell it on eBay as "vintage 60s dust"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 02 May 2008, 16:47
Man, that burst is gorgeous. It looks like a light in a dark room. Generally when I see a dark burst, I assume they fucked up one of the edges or the wood was bad, but that looks great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 02 May 2008, 18:38
One of the best looking archtops I've ever laid my eyes on.

You are one lucky dude, I'll tell you that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 May 2008, 20:28
UUUHHHHNNNN MMMHMMN NUHHHH....

Oh god.  I need a new pair of boxers...  :oops:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Just One More... on 02 May 2008, 21:43
Okay, so I'm not exactly the rich kind of person. To me, five hundred dollars is a lot to spend, even on a guitar. But I'll be getting a job, and money shouldn't be a problem. Here's what I'm thinking about. It's gonna be the ultimate setup for me.

•Ibanez S5470
•DS1(or DS2) Distortion Pedal
•Seymour Duncan SH-PG1 Pearly Gates Pickup
•Fender Vintage Noiseless Strat Pickup
•DiMarzio DP100 Super Distortion Pickup
•Monster Cable S-100(21')
•Raven RG100 amp (100watts)
•Gator Deluxe Electric Case
And, considering the music I play, either
•Polyweb1050 strings
•Super Bullets 3250 LR strings
or
•Nanoweb12052 strings

I want a guitar I can shred with on high distortion, yet also do some thick rhythm work and also some stuff on clean, just for fun. This is the setup I came up with, but it's $2101.82, and I was wondering if anybody can help me out a bit to improve the list or improve the price without taking a drastic step down in quality. Any help? You can find the guitar I'm talking about at http://ibanez.com/images/finalzoom/S5470TKS.jpg and I'm pretty sure that the pickups I described are pretty self explanatory.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 May 2008, 07:06
They also gave us all the old replaced parts in a bag.
I can't really explain this phenomenon, but hardcore collectors care far more about original parts than overall playability.

I saw the volume and tone knobs from a '61 Strat on eBay once with a BIN of $200. Seriously.


Also, Just One More..., why would you put three different brands of pickups into one guitar? Doesn't make sense to me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 May 2008, 07:43
Okay, so I'm not exactly the rich kind of person. To me, five hundred dollars is a lot to spend, even on a guitar. But I'll be getting a job, and money shouldn't be a problem. Here's what I'm thinking about. It's gonna be the ultimate setup for me.

[Stuffs.]

I want a guitar I can shred with on high distortion, yet also do some thick rhythm work and also some stuff on clean, just for fun. This is the setup I came up with, but it's $2101.82, and I was wondering if anybody can help me out a bit to improve the list or improve the price without taking a drastic step down in quality. Any help? You can find the guitar I'm talking about at http://ibanez.com/images/finalzoom/S5470TKS.jpg and I'm pretty sure that the pickups I described are pretty self explanatory.

Schecter Stilettos seem to be like the guitar you want for significantly cheaper and a single coil pickup in the neck instead of a humbucker.  I'd look into getting a different distortion pedal, too.  ProCo RATs are kind of hard to find, but they're cheaper and give you crazy amounts of distortion and a good range of tones.  About those pickups, the ones in that Schecter guitar appear to be EMG pickups.  I don't have a lot of experience with them, but they appear to be pretty okay.  For an amp, you might want to check out the Vox Valvetronix series, but that Raven amp appears to be pretty nice.  I mean, the Vox amps come with a bunch of built-in effects, but you're getting pedals anyways, and I don't think you really feel like laying down some extra cash on a tube amp.  However, if you do want to do that, check out Fender Hot Rod Deluxes and Vox AC15s.  Get whatever case you want.  Something with an arched top will be really sturdy.  Strings don't really matter to me, so I just play D'Addario, and they're alright.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Just One More... on 03 May 2008, 15:12
Okay, so I'm not exactly the rich kind of person. To me, five hundred dollars is a lot to spend, even on a guitar. But I'll be getting a job, and money shouldn't be a problem. Here's what I'm thinking about. It's gonna be the ultimate setup for me.

[Stuffs.]

I want a guitar I can shred with on high distortion, yet also do some thick rhythm work and also some stuff on clean, just for fun. This is the setup I came up with, but it's $2101.82, and I was wondering if anybody can help me out a bit to improve the list or improve the price without taking a drastic step down in quality. Any help? You can find the guitar I'm talking about at http://ibanez.com/images/finalzoom/S5470TKS.jpg and I'm pretty sure that the pickups I described are pretty self explanatory.

Schecter Stilettos seem to be like the guitar you want for significantly cheaper and a single coil pickup in the neck instead of a humbucker.  I'd look into getting a different distortion pedal, too.  ProCo RATs are kind of hard to find, but they're cheaper and give you crazy amounts of distortion and a good range of tones.  About those pickups, the ones in that Schecter guitar appear to be EMG pickups.  I don't have a lot of experience with them, but they appear to be pretty okay.  For an amp, you might want to check out the Vox Valvetronix series, but that Raven amp appears to be pretty nice.  I mean, the Vox amps come with a bunch of built-in effects, but you're getting pedals anyways, and I don't think you really feel like laying down some extra cash on a tube amp.  However, if you do want to do that, check out Fender Hot Rod Deluxes and Vox AC15s.  Get whatever case you want.  Something with an arched top will be really sturdy.  Strings don't really matter to me, so I just play D'Addario, and they're alright.

Thanks. Also, the pickups were... *looks for info* HGD1 humbucker, ST1 singlecoil, and HGD2 humbucker.
But The thing is that I kinda like it when the single coil is set in between the two humbuckers. Eh. Either way, I'll keep what you said in mind. Thanks!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: pica_tainhas on 04 May 2008, 00:48
Anyone got any good (or bad) references on Weeping Willow Lutherie?

I'm thinking about ordering one of them bad mother-effers.

I bought a Red Fiesta Surf Rod and i have no words to describe my happiness!!!!

You can see a pic of it here http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img7947ct3.jpg

My advice is send a mail to them cause Rich (WWL owner) is a gentleman and he'll drive you thru the buying process just to be sure that you are going to get what you want.
I'm not even from US and the final package has fulfill my highest expectations!

And the axe is wonderful!!!! Full of tone. I'm glad that i didn't bought a mass production guitar cause the difference is huge!

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 May 2008, 07:44
Archtop acoustics are awesome, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 04 May 2008, 08:39
Those archtops just OOOOZE class. I love it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 May 2008, 09:31
Have you seen the new one Godin has out? $520 at Musician's Friend, god DAMN.

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/8/6/549786.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 04 May 2008, 10:35
My God that is gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: diablo_man on 04 May 2008, 13:25
not to rock the boat here, but i would like to see some more archtops without the traditional f-hole shape. they could probably do a lot of equally classy and just as functional work with other shapes and locations.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 May 2008, 15:24
I dunno dude, I'd an archtop with a single central round hole would look pretty stupid. And it'd probably be a bitch to brace the top, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 04 May 2008, 15:27
And only Rics look good with that slashy thing
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 04 May 2008, 18:43
Speaking of Rickenbackers, I've been dying to get my hands on one, preferably a 620/6 solid body. As soon as I have the money, that shit is mine.

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/7/3/271473.jpg)

Mmmmm.....
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 04 May 2008, 21:20
Have you seen the new one Godin has out? $520 at Musician's Friend, god DAMN.

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/8/6/549786.jpg)

I'd hit it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: diablo_man on 04 May 2008, 22:56
I dunno dude, I'd an archtop with a single central round hole would look pretty stupid. And it'd probably be a bitch to brace the top, too.
well i wasnt thinking about a single central hole like an acoustic, but maybe something more creative like on the ovation acoustic guitars
(http://www.ovationguitars.com/pics/models/2178BCB_lg.jpg)
maybe not that design, but you see what i mean about a possible different configuration
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 May 2008, 23:47
ProCo RATs are kind of hard to find

They are? They're as common as you get around here, second to Big Muffs.

In fact I bought one today at Sam Ash of all places (trash store but someone gave me a $200 gift card there for my birthday and I couldn't resist bombing it on pedals).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 May 2008, 05:23
Well, 'round these parts, I had to ask for one to be ordered.  I've never seen one in any of the guitar shops I've been to up here.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 May 2008, 05:27
Yeah, but you live in Vermont. They make all their pedals out of maple syrup up there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 May 2008, 07:05
Never been a fan of the Ovations. But I can see what you mean about the sound holes. Maybe if the back of the guitar wasn't tupperware :P.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 May 2008, 10:11
Yeah, but you live in Vermont. They make all their pedals out of maple syrup up there.

That, or granite.

WE PUT THE "ROCK" IN "ROCK 'N' ROLL"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 May 2008, 12:19
YOU GUYS

CRESTON FUCKING GUITARS

http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail_full.php?id=1161&gid=14
http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail_full.php?gid=14&id=1036
http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail_full.php?gid=14&id=799


!!!!!!!!! http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail_full.php?gid=14&id=1160 !!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 May 2008, 12:28
DO WANT DO WANT.

But at $1500-2000 I think I'd choose a standard American Tele and a decent tube amp (my current best case scenario wishlist) over these.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 May 2008, 12:37
That second to last one looks gorgeous.  Barnwood?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 05 May 2008, 14:25
Oh God, are those beautiful. I want those two Teles right now or I'm killing everyone in this thread.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 May 2008, 16:19
Barnwood = wood from an actual barn.

Fucking badass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 05 May 2008, 16:21
The barnwood custom is absolutely stunning.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 05 May 2008, 18:44
That brown tele is pretty much my ultimate solid-body.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DMart on 05 May 2008, 19:28
For an added challenge I'd like to see him find a tree whose stump profile would sit comfortably on your lap, cut off a bit thick enough for a guitar body (sorta like the top of these (http://rusticwooddesigns.com/Tables_coffee_tables_nesting_tables_stands_shelves_pine_log_laurel_rhododendron_hickory.shtml)), and...well the rest is fairly obvious.

These ones are also particularly awesome...
http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail_full.php?gid=29&id=478 (http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail_full.php?gid=29&id=478)
http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail.php?gid=48 (http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail.php?gid=48)
http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail.php?gid=65 (http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail.php?gid=65)
http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail.php?gid=81 (http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail.php?gid=81)
http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail.php?gid=96 (http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail.php?gid=96)
http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail_full.php?gid=68&id=1210 (http://www.crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail_full.php?gid=68&id=1210)

okay, i think i have a thing for rustic-looking metal-scratchplated guitars.

EDIT: Haha I just realised this probably stems from my banjo having rusted metal bits and a thoroughly stained skin.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 May 2008, 20:09
Barnwood = wood from an actual barn.

Fucking badass.

Yes I realized that.  But barnwood?  Isn't that like, solid oak?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 05 May 2008, 20:15
Those teles don't look all that great. But then again I can't say I've ever found the tele shape particularly appealing- or indeed tele's in general. The clean tone w/the neck pickup is quality, but that's it, really. that dark brown one looks cool, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DMart on 05 May 2008, 20:50
Yes I realized that.  But barnwood?  Isn't that like, solid oak?

Quote from: crestonguitars.com
150-yr old pine front and back, curly maple core
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Shreazla on 05 May 2008, 22:11
I'm in the same situation as imapiratearg, being a professional pianist, but am looking to pick up the guitar soon, so I thought I would ask a couple questions here, this being "the guitar thread.

First, I'm looking to teach myself - I already have a shit-ton of music theory behind me, so I don't need to worry about learning the basics like string names, and what chords are versus notes, or how to read music - I do however need to learn all of the chords, how to read tabs, different strum rhythms, and the like - also a bit of the guitar literature for the different levels

So what would be the best way for me to do this?  is there a method I should follow, or should I just pick up a random chord chart sheet, and try playing as many songs as I can with those chords, adding new chords/songs as I go?  Should I try to learn a mix of classical guitar and rock at the same time, or should I start with one or the other?

Also, I need to get a guitar - I'm going to buy one, but have no idea what a quality guitar for a beginer would be like - I don't need anything to terribley amazing, but just want something solid and dependable, and relatively affordable if possible.

So, any advice?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 May 2008, 03:59
I dunno dude, I'd an archtop with a single central round hole would look pretty stupid. And it'd probably be a bitch to brace the top, too.
well i wasnt thinking about a single central hole like an acoustic, but maybe something more creative like on the ovation acoustic guitars
(ugly)
maybe not that design, but you see what i mean about a possible different configuration

I've always thought that Ovations both looked and sounded really 'meh' to me.

Also, guys, using wood that was previously used to make something else = old trick. Look at Brian May's Red Special. Fucker was made out of an oak mantle and the tremolo spring was taken off of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle kickstand.

Should I try to learn a mix of classical guitar and rock at the same time, or should I start with one or the other?

Play the few good songs off of Billy Talent II, it'll give you plenty of both.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 06 May 2008, 04:35
YOU GUYS

CRESTON FUCKING GUITARS

CR-9 pretty coool
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 07 May 2008, 12:54
So, my band has asked me to start playing guitar on some of our songs, which are largely jazz-ish rock stuff, so I went on a hunt for a cheap-ish hollowbody or semi-hollow.  I tried out a ton of guitars and ultimately settled on a used natural Epiphone Dot.  I wasn't really expecting to like it at all, especially given the chunky neck, but the string action is amazing and the sound couldn't be beat in the price range.  It doesn't quite have the pop of a 335, but that extra high and mid response isn't near noticeable enough to justify a $1600- $2000 difference.  I am assuming a change in pickups may go light years toward correcting this problem. 

Anybody else have experience with Epi semi and hollow guitars?  My guitar player currently uses a goldtop 295 that is freakin' unbelievable.  I really think they are making some of the best jazz guitars in their price raneg right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 May 2008, 15:07
My friend's Sheraton II (you know the one, I took a mirror shot of myself holding it) seems to be pretty goddamn excellent.

Ted Leo ain't arguing with his '80s Sheraton II either, although he doesn't use it as much as his ES-335. Still, Sheratons are damn nice and they have such a thick, meaty sound to them...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 07 May 2008, 15:10
I am so glad you posted that, Chad.  I have been looking at getting myself a Dot.  Or something very similar.  Like a Hagstrom Viking Deluxe.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mars on 07 May 2008, 15:40
That ES-300 depicted above made me almost cream my jeans. That would've been bad, since laundry day isn't until Sunday.

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c110/TGFM/100_5787.jpg)

Is my collection. Not all guitars, but meh.

The star piece there is the semi-hollow. It's an early 80's Crestwood. I don't know what exact year, I don't know what model. I sounds great and nobody seems to know what the hell it is.

Astute viewers will note that this pictures is a few months old. The SG copy in front has since received a new pickup that makes it much more badass. Out of an Ibanez, I believe; my tech had it in his basement.

And the Embassy has also since received the cleaning and polishing that it so desperately needed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 07 May 2008, 16:35
I am so glad you posted that, Chad.  I have been looking at getting myself a Dot.  Or something very similar.  Like a Hagstrom Viking Deluxe.
I had a friend what had a Dot w/ nat finish. A very good guitar. Especially after he took the pick guard off.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 07 May 2008, 16:37
I heard that they stay in tune very well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 07 May 2008, 17:15
94' Ibanez Talman with lipstick pickups and tremolo, and 4003 Rickenbacker Bass. All i have, all i need.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 07 May 2008, 17:18
Yeah, the tuners on the Dot are your standard gibson grovers.  I bend the hell out of my strings and have had no complaints.  

As for those Sheratons, they're great.  As are the Casinos, and the Regents.  The only hollowbody or semi hollow Epi I had a beef with were the Joe Pass Emperors.  Some of them were great, and some of them were not so great.  The neck profile from guitar to guitar was totally different depending on where it was made, and the pickups were all over the place in terms of sound.

On a side note, I tried out the Ibanez AG95 and thought it was a hell of a guitar.  It was more than I wanted to spend to just play two songs in a set, though.  Although I may buy one yet.  The appointments were all amazing, and the pickups were better than those on the Dot.  The neck is a little weird as Ibanez being Ibanez tried to make it into a relatively small, fast playing neck, yet also tried to retain a c-profile like a traditional hollowbody.  The result is the string spacing is awfully close, and the neck is a little awkward for thumb placement until you get used to it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 07 May 2008, 20:47
I am so glad you posted that, Chad.  I have been looking at getting myself a Dot.  Or something very similar.  Like a Hagstrom Viking Deluxe.

I really like my Hagstrom Swede.  Seems like much better quality than an equivalent epiphone LP, so I'm sure the vikings are good too.  Every dot I've seen has been amazing for the price though, so it's really hard to go wrong with either.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 May 2008, 08:11
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Classic-Jazzmaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=518687

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/6/2/3/557623.jpg)

ITT: Shane can very much afford $25/mo payments for a Jazzmaster. HELLS YES. HELLS FUCKING YES, FENDER.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 08 May 2008, 08:27
Yesterday, I read that Fender came out with an Elvis Costello signature Jazzmaster.

Behold:

(http://www.harmony-central.com/ProductImages/Medium/000035142.jpg)

UNF.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 08 May 2008, 10:39
It's... it's.... beautiful.

I love that woodgrain. I must have one!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 08 May 2008, 10:44
Here's (http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2008/Fender-Elvis-Costello-Signature-Jazzmaster-Guitar.html) the article.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 08 May 2008, 11:49
Shane failed to mention that Fender is also now making an affordable Jag (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Classic-Jaguar-Special-Electric-Guitar?sku=518688).

I'm trading my fucking SG in for one if I can. I like my SG, but god damn it, I've wanted a Jaguar for three goddamned years now. If Fender had made this fucker a year ago, I would not have an SG now, now would I?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 08 May 2008, 13:57
Swap you?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 08 May 2008, 14:03
This thread is making me really sad that I play bass.

And Patrick don't you wanna keep your supersized gonads?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 08 May 2008, 14:07
Jag = Just average gonads
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 08 May 2008, 14:28
Swap you?

I'd do it if I had a way to get up there within the next 2 weeks, but I can't. My buddy in California who runs my favourite guitar shop and is a licensed Fender dealer? Yeah I'll see him in two weeks.

Sorry :\
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 08 May 2008, 14:32
I doubt i would swap a £400 pound guitar over the internet anyway. NO ONE on the internet is real.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 08 May 2008, 14:44
The photothread begs to differ, sir.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 08 May 2008, 16:01
Great news about the Player Jazzmaster, 'bout time they released an affordable one.

The Elvis Costello model, though...I think I need that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 08 May 2008, 16:14
Like, two-and-a-half-grand need, or whymsical fantasy need?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DMart on 08 May 2008, 16:29
This thread is making me really sad that I play bass.

I feel that too... but this thread has pretty much inspired me to learn guitar (albeit slowly) so that I have reason to buy one for myself (at the moment I'm using my brother's old Squire Strat). I have no idea where i'll get the money for one when the time comes... nor what I'd actually buy. But hey, music is better (and cheaper!) than my last hobby *cough*modifyingcars*cough*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 08 May 2008, 17:10
I actually learned how to play guitar so that I could be a better bass player.  It makes for a whole different perspective.  I still much prefer to play bass in bands, but when I'm sitting around my house I usually grab a guitar to mess around with.   Also, I enjoy the extra songwriting input I can have in my band instead of just writing to whatever the guitar player brings that week. 







Oh and girls... girls dig guitar players way more.  It's true.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 08 May 2008, 17:20
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/6/2/6/557626.jpg)
I like Hurrrr.

/hardon

Welp married life has put the plotz on any new guitars. Reckon I'l just have to mod this tele. One piece at a time Johnny Cash style.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 08 May 2008, 17:36
Oh and girls... girls dig guitar players way more.  It's true.

Not true.

See: Sam (and not Jon, Shane, Patrick, or me)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DMart on 08 May 2008, 17:37
Chad K - yeah, that's exactly what I'm hoping will come of my being able to play guitar too (the perspective on bass and songwriting abilities - hadn't really considered the girls bit (lol girlbits lol)).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 08 May 2008, 20:02
Like, two-and-a-half-grand need, or whimsical fantasy need?

I don't even know, all I know is that I really want a Jazzmaster, and that is among the most beautiful models I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 08 May 2008, 20:15
How does it sound?  Did you compare it to, say, an Epiphone Dot?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 08 May 2008, 20:29
I'm trading my fucking SG in for one if I can. I like my SG, but god damn it, I've wanted a Jaguar for three goddamned years now. If Fender had made this fucker a year ago, I would not have an SG now, now would I?

Patrick you're fucking doing it wrong. You don't trade one guitar for another, you acquire more guitars.

Jesus, didn't anybody teach you that the person with the most guitars wins? Back of the class, boy-o.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 08 May 2008, 20:41
You'll have to give Pat a break- he lives in a third world country.

He's movin' on up though!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 08 May 2008, 21:00
Like, two-and-a-half-grand need, or whymsical fantasy need?

Need ain't got nothin' to do with it.  (Quote from an ad in Guitar Magazine)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 08 May 2008, 21:41
I'm getting my Dano fixed soon.  It needs a new bridge and a fret dressing, then I really want to get a ProCo RAT for it.

My friend sold his 1928 Gibson Banjo-lele today.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 May 2008, 05:42
Oh and girls... girls dig guitar players way more.  It's true.

Not true.

See: Sam (and not Jon, Shane, Patrick, or me)

Maybe I should start playing bass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 09 May 2008, 11:51
My friend sold his 1928 Gibson Banjo-lele.

So much wrong...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 May 2008, 14:19
Jesus, didn't anybody teach you that the person with the most guitars wins? Back of the class, boy-o.

I have 7.

Oh and girls... girls dig guitar players way more.  It's true.

Not true.

See: Sam (and not Jon, Shane, Patrick, or me)

Fuck you Gene, you have a girlfriend.

Also, greenMonkey, light your so-called "friend" on fire for being an idiot.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 09 May 2008, 15:43
I actually learned how to play guitar so that I could be a better bass player.  It makes for a whole different perspective.

Which is why I'm glad I learned guitar first, because I saw the bass fretboard as being the same as the guitar's, and so I can find harmonies and 4ths and 3rds and all that shite nice and easily.

Quote
I still much prefer to play bass in bands, but when I'm sitting around my house I usually grab a guitar to mess around with.   Also, I enjoy the extra songwriting input I can have in my band instead of just writing to whatever the guitar player brings that week.

This is indeed, true, but then I've never known the 'no songwriting input' thing because I've been writing since my first band grew out of playing 'Sad But True' for hours on end.

Quote
Oh and girls... girls dig guitar players way more.  It's true.

Honestly, I've yet to have any of this effect drift my way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 09 May 2008, 20:59
Also, greenMonkey, light your so-called "friend" on fire for being an idiot.

Yeah, though in his defense it was kind of a piece of shit and he got a ridiculously good price for it.  It was the cheapest model Gibson made, and was fairly beat.  Still.  1928 GIBSON Banjo-lele.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Crinte on 10 May 2008, 23:08
Quote
Shane failed to mention that Fender is also now making an affordable Jag.

When that link lead to no mans land, the part of my brain that allows me to love died.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 May 2008, 04:37
Guitar Center's website still shows the Classic Player Jaguar, but MF doesn't and I am going to kill 80 men.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 May 2008, 06:00
The Jazzmaster is still listed in my MF wishlist as "In Stock", uhmmm...

...MF, what the shit's up?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 11 May 2008, 09:48
Oh and girls... girls dig guitar players way more.  It's true.

Not true.

See: Sam (and not Jon, Shane, Patrick, or me)

Maybe I should grow a beard

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 11 May 2008, 10:36
Pat, I don't see it there either.

The fuck?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 May 2008, 10:41
Son of a cockshitting cunt-diarrhea dickass FUCK WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 11 May 2008, 11:06
We can only hope that they will come back up again soon.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 11 May 2008, 11:20
Not especially interesting trivia side-note: in Iron Man, Tony Stark owns a Telecaster and what I think was a 335, but I didn't look close enough.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 May 2008, 16:08
Maybe I should grow a beard

I have been debating growing out the chops.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 11 May 2008, 18:54
This thread gives me a hard-on. "OMFG YES JAGUAR!"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 May 2008, 03:12
I emailed Fender's consumer relations people last night about their recent little inter-nets fiasco and haven't gotten a response yet. Maybe I'm just being impatient but damned if I don't hate being in the dark. I want a Jaguar god damn it!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 May 2008, 16:43
I got a response. The dude says that they're definitely still releasing it, but that us finding out about the product's mere existence is due to Guitar Center and Musician's Friend leaking the info before Fender gave the green light.

That prick bastard had to stick a needle in and say "But I have seen and played one and it is AWESOME!"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 12 May 2008, 17:04
Fuck jaguars, I want a Ibanez AS103.

Oh, and I'd like the Elvis Costello one.



What do you mean by "contradiction"?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 12 May 2008, 17:57
There's a Jagmaster in the shop i work in. It's really nice for the price, and for some reason it's louder than any of the other guitars in the shop.  :?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 12 May 2008, 18:04
I took my Dano U-1 in today for a fret dressing and a bridge replacement.  While we were at our favorite local music store, my friend picked up an SWR 1x15 cab (like this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/SWR-Son-of-Bertha-Speaker-Cabinet?sku=602012) but used and less than half the price) to put under his Eden Metro (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Eden-DC210XLT-2x10-Metro-Bass-Combo-Amp?sku=485230).  We then drove to his house, where he proceeded to play his bass very loudly and shake the entire neighborhood.  It was delicious.

Also there is a possibility that I may be getting one of these (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Tech-21-SansAmp-GT2-Tube-Amp-Emulator?sku=480208) for free, though I'm really not yet sure whether that's true or not.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 May 2008, 18:20
Oh man, Tech 21 is a fucking great company. I haven't had the chance to play with that particular pedal, but usually all their products are ace.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 May 2008, 18:21
I think I mentioned their American Woman overdrive pedal.  It's pretty boss. Especially with the gate control.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 12 May 2008, 18:25
The same friend who just got the 1x15 used to have a Tech 21 Trademark 120 2x12, basically their Fender Twin equivalent.  It was nice, and allowed you to get some good vintage tones, but I prefer the uniqueness of my old Traynor solid-state.  He eventually traded it in for a Tiny Terror, which is ridiculously awesome.

I would definitely not complain about getting one of those pedals for free though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 May 2008, 19:03
Introduce me to this friend- we have quite similar tastes in gear.

I am so gay for Trademark 120s but they're discontinued now and I doubt the one I saw months ago at a local shop is still there (I still don't have the money for it) Trademark 60s aren't as cool.

That American Woman pedal is cool but what else can you really do with it? Tech 21 is famous for their fantastic-sounding one-trick-ponies.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 May 2008, 19:32
Yeah.  It wasn't all that flexible, but the tone was alright.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 12 May 2008, 21:18
So, quick question.  Does anyone know anything about "Flying Guitars"?  My friend gave me this neck from an old shitty guitar he had.  The only thing it said on the headstock was, "Flying" and he and I are wondering where it's from. 

Anyway, its a maple neck with a bound rosewod fretboard.  I just finished sanding the neck part down and staining it with this dark walnut color.  I'm going to add a second coat tomorrow and clear coat it, but it's looks damn fine as of now.  I'm going to be making a pseudo Thinline Telecaster/cigar box guitar out of it (I'm extending the neck via glue and more maple to make it more set).  The cigar box in question has this see through red coat that really makes the cedar shine through.  It's going to be damn beautiful when it's all finished, and hopefully it won't sound too bad either.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 13 May 2008, 13:12
It looks like they specialize in Ibanez, Jackson and ESP copies.   Here's their website-

http://www.flyingguitars.com/index.htm

but they sell through ebay here-

http://stores.ebay.com/online-instruments_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d999QQftidZ2QQtZkm

Some of the guitars are assembled, but for the most part it looks like they sell parts.  Here's some reviews-

http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar/brand/Flying

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 13 May 2008, 19:11
Just another thought that popped into my head regarding Jazzmasters/Jaguars; how rad would a Kevin Shields Signature model be? Red finish, brown shell pickguard, extra-long tremolo arm...that would be righteous. I mean, he's one of the first names that comes to mind when I think of the JM, it only makes sense to me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 May 2008, 19:24
Ignoring my general dislike of signature models, holy shit that would be amazing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 May 2008, 20:27
Just another thought that popped into my head regarding Jazzmasters/Jaguars; how rad would a Kevin Shields Signature model be? Red finish, brown shell pickguard, extra-long tremolo arm...that would be righteous. I mean, he's one of the first names that comes to mind when I think of the JM, it only makes sense to me.

Ira Kaplan pretty much plays the same thing...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 May 2008, 05:41
Extra-long trem arm means you ain't gonna get to divebomb super low. And if you don't go super low when you're divebombing, the German flak might get you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 14 May 2008, 06:09
Kevin would want it no other way, German flak be damned.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 14 May 2008, 06:48
I don't really like MBV but Jayzus that sounds like a sexy ass-guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 14 May 2008, 15:17
I don't really like MBV

don't really like MBV

don't like MBV

Does not compute.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 14 May 2008, 17:10
Why not? they have a very good album in one specific genre, but every other thing they made was mediocre at best.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 14 May 2008, 17:28
I dunno, I happen to love Isn't Anything and a few of their EPs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 14 May 2008, 20:12
I have to admit I still don't get Loveless.  And I've tried listening to it quite a few times.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DMart on 14 May 2008, 20:17
Last night at band practice I noticed the top of the volume pot on my p-bass (which I've had for a few months now) was a bit sunken compared to the tone pot... turns out it's a button. You'd think I would have known about the S1 switch before buying a bass, eh? And here I thought I'd done my homework on them. Problem is, now it's stuck in the depressed position.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 14 May 2008, 20:28
Ok, well, my cigarbox guitar is almost finished!  I've attached the finished neck with a bit of maple I found in a dumpster behind this custom kitchens place glued into the box.  All it needs is a bridge, strings, and new tuning heads (they're not in the pic).  I think I might try wireing it later on then, add neck and bridge pickups, two volume knobs, and a master tone.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_1462.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_1464.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_1466.jpg)

BTW, that white stuff near the f-hole is actually the inside, I didn't do THAT bad a job cutting it out (with an exacto knife I might add)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 14 May 2008, 20:40
Is it a left-handed guitar?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 14 May 2008, 20:41
Nah, the headstock is just reversed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 15 May 2008, 07:33
now it's stuck in the depressed position.
Should be able to just push down on it and it releases.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 May 2008, 12:39
BTW, that white stuff near the f-hole is actually the inside

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

Also, I am impressed! Very Bo Diddley. That body looks SUPER TINY though! And I'd worry real hard about that neck joint...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 15 May 2008, 12:50
well, it's both glued and bolted, and it's another piece of maple that goes all the way to the back of the body.  I just ordered a bridge from my local music shop.  It's going to be kind of a hard-tail strat bridge.  I wanted to go for a type of les paul styled tail piece and bridge, but that would have been around $80.  The one I got was $25, so, I'm thinking I made the right choice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 May 2008, 13:11
I'd just be sure to reinforce the box itself, though. Cigar boxes ain't built for that kind of stress.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 15 May 2008, 14:09
yeah, the way I'm gonna mount the bridge I'm gonna add another layer of that maple in the back so it connects right into it.  I wonder how cedar is as a tonewood?  Guess I'll find out!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 May 2008, 14:24
I'm assuming You'll mount the bridge waaay far back on the box, right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DMart on 15 May 2008, 15:39
now it's stuck in the depressed position.
Should be able to just push down on it and it releases.

haha yeah, I did try that... it was working for a while, but then it got stuck. I'll have to borrow a small flathead screwdriver from work to take off the knob and see why it's stuck.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 15 May 2008, 16:50
I wonder how cedar is as a tonewood?  Guess I'll find out!

It's pretty common on classical and other acoustic guitars.  It's warmer and mellower than spruce is.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 15 May 2008, 17:15
I'm assuming You'll mount the bridge waaay far back on the box, right?

Yeah, it'll actually have a full scale length with some room to spare.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Just One More... on 15 May 2008, 19:10
that is one wicked guitar... honestly.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 May 2008, 05:14
S'not doing it for me. At all. :|
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 16 May 2008, 14:34
I want to hear that ugly fucker when its done.  What kind of pickups are you putting in?

EDIT:

I just found the perfect setting on my amp (Traynor TS-50).  I've had it for a couple months, but I hadn't spent enough time with it to figure out exactly the setup I wanted.  I finally (somewhat by luck) got it yesterday.  I was playing my friend's Chandler (custom company out of San Francisco) Telecaster clone (orange semi-hollowbody, no f-hole, three single coils) through it, and I finally got just the sound I wanted; lots of mids, a good amount of bass, less highs (both his Tele and my Dano are super twangy and bright), and just a touch of gain and reverb (one of my favorite parts of the amp: old, built-in spring reverb tank).  Clean and shimmering when lightly strummed, with just a little pop when the strings get hit harder.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 16 May 2008, 16:03
I'm actually really torn between putting a acoustic pickup inside the thing, or mounting two telecaster style things on there with a two volume/one tone configuration.  If I choose the later, would any of you guys have any suggestions?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 16 May 2008, 17:57
If you're not attaching the bridge directly to the sound chamber (the cigar box) there won't be much acoustic amplification going on, because the energy from the strings is transmitted through the bridge. Since there's no way that box is sturdy enough to handle string tension, I say go with the electric pickups. It should be a piece of cake to drill the proper mounting holes and wire the sucker.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 May 2008, 18:38
He could brace the top of the cigar box?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 17 May 2008, 08:50
So..we sacrificed the neck of that old Teisco to the rock gods last night..and look what popped back up on Musician's Friend the very next morning (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Classic-Jazzmaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=518687)!

I'm ordering one + Little Big Muff when I get my first paycheck in two weeks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 17 May 2008, 09:09
Raaaadical.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 17 May 2008, 12:30
My basses and guitar
From Left to Right....
"anonymous bass i pretend is a Fender Jazz Bass", "4003 Rickenbacker Bass", "1994 Ibanez Talman"
http://s104.photobucket.com/albums/m166/alex_the_hippy/?action=view&current=TehLulzyPics056-1.jpg
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 May 2008, 20:10
So..we sacrificed the neck of that old Teisco to the rock gods last night..and look what popped back up on Musician's Friend the very next morning (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Classic-Jazzmaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=518687)!

I'm ordering one + Little Big Muff when I get my first paycheck in two weeks.

I think I just heard a chorus of angles singing.  Oop.  Nope.  It was Jonsi of Sigur Ros.  But that is fucking awesome.  I have wanted a Jazzmaster for fucking ever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 18 May 2008, 07:23
"anonymous bass i pretend is a Fender Jazz Bass"

Is that an SX? I've been debating getting one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 18 May 2008, 12:38
"anonymous bass i pretend is a Fender Jazz Bass"

Is that an SX? I've been debating getting one.

It said "Standard" on it or something.
it was my first bass
It sounds great despite it being beat up
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 18 May 2008, 13:38
"4003 Rickenbacker Bass"

noooooooooo faaaaaaair.

The rock gods obviously don't love me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 18 May 2008, 16:02
I had to sell my soul for that thing. Luckily, i work at a guitar shop and i get a discount. my room got a lot smaller in order to get money for it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ioden on 18 May 2008, 20:10
Hey everyone,

I haven't gotten a chance to go try one out on a Roland Mini-Cube (the amp I intend to buy since my dinky Ibanez one is pretty crappy), but I'm wondering what the general view on a http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-B-Stock-Les-Paul-Standard-Plain-Top-103812863-i1149387.gc (http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-B-Stock-Les-Paul-Standard-Plain-Top-103812863-i1149387.gc) Ebony or possibly Refurbished Ebony?

(http://images.guitarcenter.com/products/optionlarge/Epiphone/534979jpg.jpg)

(http://images.guitarcenter.com/products/optionlarge/Epiphone/508111jpg.jpg)

I'm not sure how it would sound or feel or anything, my only experience with actually playing a Les Paul is trying out a Gibson Studio at a local shop, but I want to kinda replace my Ibanez with something very classic rock-y and awesome-sounding, but also within the approximate price range of $300-$400.

I mean, it looks good in the pictures, but that's not much to go on...

Thanks!
-Me :-D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 18 May 2008, 20:37
Play test as many of them as you possibly can until one feels just right.  Epiphone are very hit or miss, as far as I can tell.  There are also Les Paul clones by other brands that play just as well, which you could try out too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: diablo_man on 18 May 2008, 22:12
i wouldnt get a mini cube if i were you. they arent bad, i have one but you would be much better served by one with a Equalizer.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 19 May 2008, 11:18
So, the TurboRAT I had the guitar shop in Montpelier order came in last Friday.  I'm stoked to go check it out today.  I'll tell you guys what I think about it later tonight, probably.
Title: My baby.
Post by: the Goat on 19 May 2008, 11:31
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/Hemitom/Ovation/Ovation007.jpg)

Ovation Magnum III.

Great bass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 19 May 2008, 12:01
That looks like a pretty sick bass!  However, I am not a fan of their acoustic guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 19 May 2008, 12:37
look what I bought.

(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7558/goldanodizedzy9.jpg)

Gold Anodized Pickguards = *drool*


NOTE: This is not real. This is a mockup. I made this. In Photoshop. Winnar.

EDIT: Oh, but the guitar is totally mine, just changing the pickguard. This is how it looks like.

(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8289/dsc00220os2.th.jpg) (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00220os2.jpg)

Yes, the Silverface is there to rub it in.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 19 May 2008, 13:53
That ovation magnum has the biggest fucking humbucker i've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 19 May 2008, 19:49
Guys, I fell in love with an old, cheap ass Tempo P-Bass copy.  It has like 20-year old flat-wounds on it that are so worn they are perfectly smooth.  It was also played by someone in a polka band; you can tell by looking at the way the neck is worn that he played only two notes: E and A.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 19 May 2008, 20:43
That actually sounds very nice. Gonna buy it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 20 May 2008, 06:15
That ovation magnum has the biggest fucking humbucker i've ever seen.
Yeah reminds me of the Bartolini Quad Coil on Maria's Tobias Growler 4.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 20 May 2008, 13:24
That actually sounds very nice. Gonna buy it?

If I get $150 soon.  So, no.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 May 2008, 14:50
I lourve my new TurboRAT.  It is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 20 May 2008, 14:56
That ovation magnum has the biggest fucking humbucker i've ever seen.
Yeah reminds me of the Bartolini Quad Coil on Maria's Tobias Growler 4.

Woah you're right.
Nonetheless a pretty cool bass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: rofflesaurusrex on 20 May 2008, 16:53
My basses and guitar
From Left to Right....
"anonymous bass i pretend is a Fender Jazz Bass", "4003 Rickenbacker Bass", "1994 Ibanez Talman"
http://s104.photobucket.com/albums/m166/alex_the_hippy/?action=view&current=TehLulzyPics056-1.jpg
im sure this talman makes some 18 year old dropout that looks like a viking cry at night because you bought this before he could scrounge for the money to get it from your guitar shoppe
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 20 May 2008, 19:10
You guys. YOU GUYS.

So, I traded in my 7-string. It was fun, but I'm just too used to 6-strings to make the most of it. Also the pickups really did sound like ass.

Acting on a hunch, though (Ibanez Japan build quality + good pickups must = good guitar, right?) I traded it in for one of these:

(http://ibanez.com/images/finalzoom/RG2610ZBK.jpg)

Holy shit guys, new favorite metal guitar. Yeah yeah it doesn't have a neck pickup, WHATEVER. The body's basswood, the neck's maple/rosewood and it's got a Floyd Rose, so tonally this guitar shouldn't be anything special but HOLY GOD THE SOUND. It's pretty loud unplugged, which is always a good sign for an electric. Build quality's top notch, playability is RIDICULOUS. Super wide, super skinny neck profile. I haven't beaten the fuck out of the trem yet but preliminary results indicate it's nice and stable. The weird zero-point trem system is really easy to adjust- there's just a little knob you can twist through the backplate to adjust the tension, kind of like on a Parker Fly. I had the guitar dialed down from standard to drop-C in under five minutes, with no tools.

I don't know how Seymour Duncan does it but all their pickups I've tried have this insanely pretty shimmer in the upper-mids that sounds so good to my ears. This is obviously meant to be a chugga-chugga-weeeee guitar but when I first plugged it in I spent a good 20 minutes just on the clean channel of my amp, it sounded so nice. It's a "full shred" which is a stupid name for a pickup, but whatever- it's got a little less low-end than a JB, but with a resulting clarity and attack that makes it really sparkle.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 20 May 2008, 19:13
Guys, I fell in love with an old, cheap ass Tempo P-Bass copy.  It has like 20-year old flat-wounds on it that are so worn they are perfectly smooth.  It was also played by someone in a polka band; you can tell by looking at the way the neck is worn that he played only two notes: E and A.

There was a big fad a few years back in the bassist community for slapping flatwounds on your P-Bass and playing with your thumb all 1950's style. It can be a really good tone when used appropriately.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: the Goat on 20 May 2008, 19:43
Guys, I fell in love with an old, cheap ass Tempo P-Bass copy.  It has like 20-year old flat-wounds on it that are so worn they are perfectly smooth.  It was also played by someone in a polka band; you can tell by looking at the way the neck is worn that he played only two notes: E and A.

There was a big fad a few years back in the bassist community for slapping flatwounds on your P-Bass and playing with your thumb all 1950's style. It can be a really good tone when used appropriately.

Fad? Shit, motherfuckers have been doing that for years, everyone who does it swears by it.

I put flats on mine during my stint in a prog/stoner rock band, partially because my bass at the time was too bright, and partially because I didn't have any other strings/$ for strings. It worked pretty well until I killed my head and blew up my cab.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Crinte on 20 May 2008, 22:31
Quote
I killed my head and blew up my cab

Things that would sound alarming to someone with no knowledge of the subject matter.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 21 May 2008, 00:51
Sounds pretty damn alarming to me, too, and I know what he's talking about.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 May 2008, 01:57
You guys. YOU GUYS.

So, I traded in my 7-string. It was fun, but I'm just too used to 6-strings to make the most of it. Also the pickups really did sound like ass.

Acting on a hunch, though (Ibanez Japan build quality + good pickups must = good guitar, right?) I traded it in for one of these:

*FUCKING METAL*

Holy shit guys, new favorite metal guitar. Yeah yeah it doesn't have a neck pickup, WHATEVER. The body's basswood, the neck's maple/rosewood and it's got a Floyd Rose, so tonally this guitar shouldn't be anything special but HOLY GOD THE SOUND. It's pretty loud unplugged, which is always a good sign for an electric. Build quality's top notch, playability is RIDICULOUS. Super wide, super skinny neck profile. I haven't beaten the fuck out of the trem yet but preliminary results indicate it's nice and stable. The weird zero-point trem system is really easy to adjust- there's just a little knob you can twist through the backplate to adjust the tension, kind of like on a Parker Fly. I had the guitar dialed down from standard to drop-C in under five minutes, with no tools.

I don't know how Seymour Duncan does it but all their pickups I've tried have this insanely pretty shimmer in the upper-mids that sounds so good to my ears. This is obviously meant to be a chugga-chugga-weeeee guitar but when I first plugged it in I spent a good 20 minutes just on the clean channel of my amp, it sounded so nice. It's a "full shred" which is a stupid name for a pickup, but whatever- it's got a little less low-end than a JB, but with a resulting clarity and attack that makes it really sparkle.

Sweeeeet...
Single-pickup guitars are the coolest thing to me. So simple, yet so awesome!

incidentally, I'm getting a new 7-string today.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 21 May 2008, 18:48
Guys, I fell in love with an old, cheap ass Tempo P-Bass copy.  It has like 20-year old flat-wounds on it that are so worn they are perfectly smooth.  It was also played by someone in a polka band; you can tell by looking at the way the neck is worn that he played only two notes: E and A.

There was a big fad a few years back in the bassist community for slapping flatwounds on your P-Bass and playing with your thumb all 1950's style. It can be a really good tone when used appropriately.

Fad? Shit, motherfuckers have been doing that for years, everyone who does it swears by it.

I put flats on mine during my stint in a prog/stoner rock band, partially because my bass at the time was too bright, and partially because I didn't have any other strings/$ for strings. It worked pretty well until I killed my head and blew up my cab.

Personally my two favorite bass tones are the really bright P-Bass w/roundwounds and a pick sound that the guy from Sunny Day Real Estate/Foo Fighters gets, and the slightly distorted P-Bass w/roundwounds and a pick sound the dude from Failure and the dude from Shiner got.
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Post by: the Goat on 21 May 2008, 19:14
Guys, I fell in love with an old, cheap ass Tempo P-Bass copy.  It has like 20-year old flat-wounds on it that are so worn they are perfectly smooth.  It was also played by someone in a polka band; you can tell by looking at the way the neck is worn that he played only two notes: E and A.

There was a big fad a few years back in the bassist community for slapping flatwounds on your P-Bass and playing with your thumb all 1950's style. It can be a really good tone when used appropriately.

Fad? Shit, motherfuckers have been doing that for years, everyone who does it swears by it.

I put flats on mine during my stint in a prog/stoner rock band, partially because my bass at the time was too bright, and partially because I didn't have any other strings/$ for strings. It worked pretty well until I killed my head and blew up my cab.

Personally my two favorite bass tones are the really bright P-Bass w/roundwounds and a pick sound that the guy from Sunny Day Real Estate/Foo Fighters gets, and the slightly distorted P-Bass w/roundwounds and a pick sound the dude from Failure and the dude from Shiner got.

Mmm, oldies but goodies.
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Post by: doombilly on 21 May 2008, 19:42
1) James Jamerson motherfuckers.
2) [img width= height=]http://lh3.ggpht.com/illicitizen/SDLxubHriwI/AAAAAAAABjo/K-sxC3I43D0/s144/GroundZero_109.jpg[/img] (http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/GroundZeroShowMay102008/photo#5202486299422591746)
Fucking P bass. Fucking Ampeg SVT4Pro. Fucking 1x15, 4x10. Play with your fingers. With fucking flatwounds. = tone.
3) People that thumb-pop should get a beat down.
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Post by: sean on 21 May 2008, 19:46
Goddamnit guitar thread. I really need to switch the pickups out of my squier, they are just too inadequate.
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Post by: jeph on 21 May 2008, 20:51
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Post by: diablo_man on 21 May 2008, 22:35
hmm, yeah, my ibanez rg560 has an "aftermarket" seymour duncan JB-J with a coil tap in the bridge. godly sounding pickup, clean or distorted. im pretty sure the JB means jeff beck, but i may be wrong
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Post by: Christophe on 21 May 2008, 23:01
*threadjack*

What would be a rad pair of single-coils to put in a Fender Lead II? I was thinking something along the lines of Red Lace Sensors or some kind of hot-output Seymour Duncan.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 21 May 2008, 23:06
I like cool pickups.  I'm weird, though.

We now have another guitarist in my band, so now I more play ring modulator >___<
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Post by: E. Spaceman on 21 May 2008, 23:28
The one thing i hate about Seymour Duncan is that they don't make neck humbuckers for Teles. Seriously guys, it would be great if you made a good Fender Wide Range replica so that i cokd gouge the shit out of my teleclone and  make it a Custom.
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Post by: Ballard on 21 May 2008, 23:47
*threadjack*

What would be a rad pair of single-coils to put in a Fender Lead II? I was thinking something along the lines of Red Lace Sensors or some kind of hot-output Seymour Duncan.

Hardly a threadjack.

http://www.vanzandtpu.com/
http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/

Go for it.
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Post by: doombilly on 22 May 2008, 05:42
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/progressive/prails_shpr1/
Quote
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Ground breaking, patent pending design allows a full-size humbucker to split to either a “real deal” P-90 or a traditional single coil. Perfect for a wide variety of styles including country, pop, surf, jazz, blues, classic rock, and heavy rock.
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Post by: Christophe on 22 May 2008, 06:36
Thank you muchly for suggestions. Now I know what to look for if I ever have any disposable income that isn't already put towards gas, food, and equipment that has nothing to do with guitars...
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Post by: Chad K. on 22 May 2008, 11:09

Personally my two favorite bass tones are the really bright P-Bass w/roundwounds and a pick sound that the guy from Sunny Day Real Estate/Foo Fighters gets, and the slightly distorted P-Bass w/roundwounds and a pick sound the dude from Failure and the dude from Shiner got.

Paul Malinowski from Shiner/Season to Risk!  I saw Shiner 3 or 4 times and I must say, that bass sound must be heard (and felt) live to be believed.  He's really kind of weird about being asked how he gets that tone.  I know he uses Mesa Boogie bass heads and a tube screamer, but there's also a preamp in-line I believe.  Rumor has it, it's one of those early 80's Peavey numbers that had the "saturation" knob that was essentially distortion.  I've also seen him use a delay and chorus with an ebow.  Amazing.
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Post by: doombilly on 22 May 2008, 12:42
Quote from: John Paul Jones
On effects: “What can you do with the bass, anyway? You can go wah-wah-wah, or you can phase it and make it sound even muddier than it usually does.”
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Post by: Chad K. on 22 May 2008, 13:00
Eh, depends on who you are. There's a local band here in Phoenix with a bass player who does a lot of atmospheric stuff with pedals that's very cool.  I've also seen a guy who used distortion, chorus and an upright bass bow a la Jimmy Page for some great sounds.  (See also- Jaco Pastorius re: chorus pedals). Personally, I'm more of the JPJ school, though.  I only own passive basses and don't use any pedals other than a tuner.  My rig's even a simple Kustom 2x10 combo.  I have owned active basses, and used to use a bass chorus through a full stack that had a rackmount compressor, but I found gigging pretty consistently meant that something would go wrong somewhere- either the pedal wouldlstop working, or the batteries in the pickups would die, etc.  It's all just a matter of personal preference.
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Post by: doombilly on 22 May 2008, 13:21
It totally is. We have two basses w/ active pickups she doesn't even play.
Conversely, I play a parker. Which is stereo. Into a custom breakout box, into a ginormous pod pedal board into an amp. And I'm using the pod through the effect loop in such a way to just use the power amp on my amp. I figured out that if I cut an old bike inner tube into six inch sections I can use it to keep organized all my cables going to-from the pod and the amp.
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Post by: Chad K. on 22 May 2008, 13:25
Guitar is a TOTALLY different story. I'm still very much a no effects, straight into a 2x12 fender combo guy, but I thnk guitar players can do so much with effects and have greater control than a bass player.  Once again, you've got to see Shiner for the effects monsters.  Also, Allen Epley's new band The Life and Times is all over the tasteful effects usage. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 22 May 2008, 14:25
Yesterday I acquired me one of these little bastards:

(http://www.espguitars.com/images/guitars/Viper-407.jpg)

I don't think I'll ever LIKE the sound of the EMG 81-7 in the bridge, but it's passable. Nevertheless, this is a totally great-feeling and sounding instrument. It plays great, and that's what matters now. I can always throw some passives in later to make it sing.
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Post by: Bearer on 22 May 2008, 15:53
Alright, here's a short crappy demo of my new baby, Sherman the Cigar Box Guitar!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfREDgZ5SfE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfREDgZ5SfE)

The bridge is a little high, but I can always tweak it.  It's crazy how loud it is for being so small!
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Post by: valley_parade on 22 May 2008, 17:47
I'm wondering what the general view on a http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-B-Stock-Les-Paul-Standard-Plain-Top-103812863-i1149387.gc (http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-B-Stock-Les-Paul-Standard-Plain-Top-103812863-i1149387.gc) Ebony or possibly Refurbished Ebony?

Brendan Kelly uses that exact guitar with The Falcon. Sounded good when I saw them.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 22 May 2008, 19:28
Alright, here's a short crappy demo of my new baby, Sherman the Cigar Box Guitar!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfREDgZ5SfE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfREDgZ5SfE)

The bridge is a little high, but I can always tweak it.  It's crazy how loud it is for being so small!

Ridiculous.  Awesome.  I can't wait to hear it w/ pickups!
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Post by: imapiratearg on 22 May 2008, 20:02
Was that Pink Floyd?
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Post by: Bearer on 22 May 2008, 20:24
I don't think so, I was just messing with some chords and a bluesy scale.

Also, I'm loving this thing's tone more and more every second!  Also, I just found out that my dad still has the old pickups he swapped out of his Strat a while ago.  1980's Squier pickups any good? 
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Post by: jeph on 23 May 2008, 15:30
Yesterday I acquired me one of these little bastards:

[SG on PCP]

I don't think I'll ever LIKE the sound of the EMG 81-7 in the bridge, but it's passable. Nevertheless, this is a totally great-feeling and sounding instrument. It plays great, and that's what matters now. I can always throw some passives in later to make it sing.


I've heard great things about those new Seymour Duncan Blackouts, which I think can be installed in an emg-style rout without any modification.
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Post by: Tehz on 23 May 2008, 16:45
Alright, here's a short crappy demo of my new baby, Sherman the Cigar Box Guitar!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfREDgZ5SfE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfREDgZ5SfE)

The bridge is a little high, but I can always tweak it.  It's crazy how loud it is for being so small!

Wow, that really is impressive.
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Post by: Spluff on 23 May 2008, 19:33
Yesterday I acquired me one of these little bastards:

*viper*

I don't think I'll ever LIKE the sound of the EMG 81-7 in the bridge, but it's passable. Nevertheless, this is a totally great-feeling and sounding instrument. It plays great, and that's what matters now. I can always throw some passives in later to make it sing.

Awesome guitar. I've always wanted to get myself a cream colored viper.

I've heard great things about those new Seymour Duncan Blackouts, which I think can be installed in an emg-style rout without any modification.

I've heard they're great too - and yeah, they're supposed to fit straight into an EMG slot.
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Post by: diablo_man on 23 May 2008, 21:09
guys i just fell in love with the gibson SG at my local music store. which is weird normally i go for the metal axes and dont like the gibby's, but i just picked up this one and all i could play out of it was sweet hard rock and blues. that and it cranks pinch harmonics too. i didnt notice the model no., but it was like 870 $ canadian, and definitely a gibson, red, natural finish. any body know what this would be? couldnt be a standard, they are rediculously expensive.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 23 May 2008, 21:19
Sounds kind of like the one Patrick picked up.

I played a couple of Epiphone Dots today.  Holy shit.  These are nice guitars for their price.  They sound fantastic and play extremely well.  Although, one had a slightly slimmer neck than the other.  It was really weird.
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Post by: Spluff on 23 May 2008, 22:28
guys i just fell in love with the gibson SG at my local music store. which is weird normally i go for the metal axes and dont like the gibby's, but i just picked up this one and all i could play out of it was sweet hard rock and blues. that and it cranks pinch harmonics too. i didnt notice the model no., but it was like 870 $ canadian, and definitely a gibson, red, natural finish. any body know what this would be? couldnt be a standard, they are rediculously expensive.

Sounds like an SG Special faded.
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Post by: Lummer on 24 May 2008, 02:39
Yesterday I acquired me one of these little bastards:

*viper*

I don't think I'll ever LIKE the sound of the EMG 81-7 in the bridge, but it's passable. Nevertheless, this is a totally great-feeling and sounding instrument. It plays great, and that's what matters now. I can always throw some passives in later to make it sing.

Awesome guitar. I've always wanted to get myself a cream colored viper.

I've heard great things about those new Seymour Duncan Blackouts, which I think can be installed in an emg-style rout without any modification.

I've heard they're great too - and yeah, they're supposed to fit straight into an EMG slot.

Yeah, I'm aware of the Blackouts, but I am as always very skecptical about active pickups. I may just swap the 81 out for a 707, since that pickup has actually surprised me very much, in a positive way.
Otherwise, I'm just gonna get some of those EMG-to-passive conversion pickup rings off the internet, and throw in some Bareknuckles or DiMarzios.

Bareknuckle Pickups have these wicked-awesome distressed and rusty-looking pickup covers, that I think would look supremely badass, since the guitar is a little beat-up already. They're pricey though.


guys i just fell in love with the gibson SG at my local music store. which is weird normally i go for the metal axes and dont like the gibby's, but i just picked up this one and all i could play out of it was sweet hard rock and blues. that and it cranks pinch harmonics too. i didnt notice the model no., but it was like 870 $ canadian, and definitely a gibson, red, natural finish. any body know what this would be? couldnt be a standard, they are rediculously expensive.

What the others said, SG Special Faded. I've had one myself for a while and have nothing but praise for that guitar. The bang-for-the-buck factor on that thing is UNREAL!
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Post by: Patrick on 26 May 2008, 01:10
(snip because nobody fucking cares) and look what popped back up on Musician's Friend the very next morning (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Classic-Jazzmaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=518687)!

GOD DAMN IT WHY DID I ONLY JUST SEE THIS AFTER ARRIVING IN ALASKA.

SON OF 5 SHITS
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Post by: valley_parade on 26 May 2008, 07:24
The one thing i hate about Seymour Duncan is that they don't make neck humbuckers for Teles. Seriously guys, it would be great if you made a good Fender Wide Range replica so that i cokd gouge the shit out of my teleclone and  make it a Custom.

I'd call Subway and see what they could do. I know they've got a metric fuckton of the actual Wide Ranges sitting around.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 26 May 2008, 21:46
You sort of have a very limited control over tone with acoustics.  Mostly through attack, picking style, and your strings.  Mostly it's the guitar you get.  There's a Taylor I want that is has the sweetest tone ever.  Lots of bass, without too much treble.  It had mahogany back and sides and a spruce top.  However, I have played an Alvarez that was four hundred dollars cheaper, but sounded just as amazing, just a bit more subdued as the body was entirely mahogany.

At the same, I love the different tones and sounds you can make with an electric guitar.  Having amplifiers and pedals that all do different things when built one way or another, or do this or that is overwhelming but the opportunities are near limitless.  And rock music is great fun to play.

I don't really like one any more than the other.  I don't think I should.

(I feel like I was ranting.  I apologize if I was.)
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Post by: E. Spaceman on 26 May 2008, 22:22
Ratatat?

get an e-bow
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Post by: DMart on 27 May 2008, 04:12
speaking of e-bows, they don't work on basses, do they?
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Post by: Chad K. on 27 May 2008, 08:03
speaking of e-bows, they don't work on basses, do they?

Indeed they do.  I've seen the guy from Shiner use one.  Here's the key- heavy distortion, chorus pedal and ebow.  You also have to get near your amp so it starts to feed back a little. 
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Post by: sean on 27 May 2008, 10:19
The E-Bow is designed for guitar use, but if you alter the way you play with it, it works for bass. It just requires a bit more effort and creativity.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 27 May 2008, 11:42
I use the ebow on everything - it's even fun on mandolin. The problem with using it on bass is that it takes a while to start vibrating the string because they're bigger. It will still work though.
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Post by: the Goat on 27 May 2008, 15:33
When I saw Ratatat live, they used a volume pedal to get that swelling sound. There's probably a lot of different ways to get that effect, that seems like the easiest.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 27 May 2008, 18:20
The main advantage of the eBow is infinite sustain, not the volume swells. You can do those just with the knobs on your guitar with practice.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 27 May 2008, 21:23
A bit late (college bleh), but nice SG Pat. Pity you got it just in time to find another you wanted more.

Something is wrong with my friend, he is planning on getting a tele... but I feel obliged to make sure he gets a decent one. Are the MIM Teles the ones that fender just calls standards?
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Post by: jeph on 28 May 2008, 01:42
Yes. Unless it specifically says "American" in the title or costs over $1200 it was made in Mexico or Japan.
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Post by: Spluff on 28 May 2008, 02:21
It should say on the headstock where it was made, shouldn't it?
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Post by: godinpants on 28 May 2008, 03:00
Coinciding rather nicely with all this Ebow talk here.
I bought one last week, and it is pretty awesome.

Yes it works on bass, but it sounds a metric fucktonne better on a guitar.

I was playing around with a loop pedal infact, and came up with this awesome atmosphere, so i plugged into my computer and started overdubbing aswell.
The result is the track "oceanic abyss" on http://www.myspace.com/amphibiotic (http://www.myspace.com/amphibiotic)
There's only two layers of guitar there.
The looping loop, and my overdub recorded in one pass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 28 May 2008, 16:44
It should say on the headstock where it was made, shouldn't it?

Yeah but you gotta look close.
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Post by: Patrick on 29 May 2008, 03:16
Convenient alteration to my summer plans: since the friends who I am working for/renting from have let an entire family move into the apartment I was going to be moving into, I do not have to pay anything for groceries or rent. Long story short, I'ma have something like $5k to fuck with at the end of the summer, no expenses at all.

I already have a good idea where a good chunk of it is going to go. The rather diminutive rest of it is going to go toward sk00lin. I have my priorities.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 29 May 2008, 03:39
That had better be something like a Les Paul Standard, otherwise there is something wrong with your priorities.

Wait, it is a Jag or a Jazzmaster. That's my guess.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 29 May 2008, 05:22
i.e. inferior in every way to the Gibson SG you already have/had and inferior to the Les Paul you could have.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 29 May 2008, 14:53
But, of course, he could get both those guitars for the price of one Les Paul Standard.

I think the Les Paul in cherry finish has to be one of the most beautiful guitars there is. Any disagreement? I promise not to feed you to the sharks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 29 May 2008, 15:32
But, of course, he could get both those guitars for the price of one Les Paul Standard.

I think the Les Paul in cherry finish has to be one of the most beautiful guitars there is. Any disagreement? I promise not to feed you to the sharks.

The Les Paul Custom model looks absolutely gorgeous in the Wine Red or Oxblood finish, so yeah. Seconded.
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Post by: Spluff on 29 May 2008, 22:49
Get a Firebird, or a flying V over a LP. Everybody has LPs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 29 May 2008, 22:51
So? They still look good. Firebirds are like less sharp x-plorers, right? I have not seen many people at all using those, though I think I saw one in the video for Exodus' Good day to die.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 29 May 2008, 23:50
But, of course, he could get both those guitars for the price of one Les Paul Standard.

I think the Les Paul in cherry finish has to be one of the most beautiful guitars there is. Any disagreement? I promise not to feed you to the sharks.

Black finish. Gorgeous. <3
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 30 May 2008, 07:31
I can personally vouch for how awesome Firebirds are.  You will not regret it, ever.  Get it immediately!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 30 May 2008, 11:56
Agreed; if I could own any Gibson, it would definitely be a Firebird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 30 May 2008, 19:37
Gibsons are pretty great in general, but out of all of them why get a Firebird
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 30 May 2008, 19:50
Yeah if I was to get a Gibson it would either be a Les Paul or an ES335. Thats if i was to get a Gibson, why would i get a Gibson when i have my Telecaster?
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Post by: Mars on 30 May 2008, 19:55
Gibsons are pretty great in general, but out of all of them why get a Firebird

Because they're awesome?

Johnny Winter plays a Firebird. If it's good enough for Johnny, it's good enough for you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 30 May 2008, 19:57
But Tony Iommi plays an SG.

Are SGs not good enough for you
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 30 May 2008, 19:58
He's already got a SG, iirc.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 30 May 2008, 20:06
Patrick, or Mars?

I know Patrick has a sweet-ass SG due to all the collective wanking we've been doing over them in general.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 30 May 2008, 20:10
Patrick.
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Post by: the Goat on 30 May 2008, 20:13
I think that Firebirds look pretty bitching, and everyone already has an SG or a Les Paul. I personally always get a little thrill when I see people onstage with unconventional gear: Hagstrom guitars, Road Amp heads, etc. I get the same thrill seeing Firebirds, they're pretty rare.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 30 May 2008, 20:39
Yeah if I was to get a Gibson it would either be a Les Paul or an ES335. Thats if i was to get a Gibson, why would i get a Gibson when i have my Telecaster?
Because Gibsons are awesome and Teles are ugly.

I suppose I could get a firebird, but they are more expensive than a faded special, and the SG looks best of almost all guitars, only ones that have it beat are the cherry Les Paul, over-the-top shiny fancy guitars, and the Giger Ibanezes.

I actually haven't ever heard a firebird's sound, I assume it will be in the same ballpark as most gibsons, yeah?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 30 May 2008, 21:04
Well, my Firebird has this really bluesy crunch to it.  I haven't had the fortune to seriously mess around with any other real gibsons, but I imagine it's at least fairly unique to that whole family.  I've got it going through a Fender Twin tube amp, and it just screams. I love it.

Anyway...

Hey hey, Cigar-box guitar update!  I've added a pickup!  it's an old white Dimarzio single coil I found in my dad's old gig bag.  I've got no clue where it's from, but I decided to put it into Ciggy (it's about halfway between where the neck and mid pickups would be on a strat).  based off of the tes I just did (mechanical with only one string) it sounds pretty bitchin.  Got a real nice tone if you can get past the fuzz, but I suppose when I solder it in there that'll help.  Right now it's going directly from pickup to output, but I have an old volume pot lying around, should I throw that on there for good measure?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mars on 30 May 2008, 22:54
But Tony Iommi plays an SG.

Are SGs not good enough for you

I have a cheap SG knock off. I can't afford a real SG because I'm poor, but the cheap copy has it's advantages. Mainly that I can mod the shit out of it without stressing about the fact that I'm messing with a Gibson.

I have nothing against Teles specifically except that they don't suit my style. As a blues player I suppose I should be getting a strat, but everyone plays a strat and I have a pathological aversion to doing what everyone else does.

If I had the means I'd get a Firebird in two seconds. It'd be one, except that I'm not a teenager anymore and I'm slowing down.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 31 May 2008, 04:41
I play a lot of blues and teles have got an excellent tone for it. Muddy Waters anyone?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 31 May 2008, 05:36
Page did all of Zeppelin's worthwhile songs on Telecasters and Danelectros.

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Post by: diablo_man on 31 May 2008, 08:04
ive heard the firebirds look described as the Explorer for children, all sharp edges removed.

i am loving the gibby sg special, great finish and i love the way the beveling looks close up, but i still think it is one of the more ugle guitar shapes
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Post by: valley_parade on 31 May 2008, 09:14
I've never heard them described that way, but couldn't you just as well say Explorers are the kindergarten scissors to BC Rich's hedgetrimmers?

(stop sucking at life, BC Rich)
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Post by: Cernunnos on 31 May 2008, 09:43
Yeah seriously. I guess they know their audience?
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Post by: valley_parade on 31 May 2008, 09:44
"people who like really pointy things"?
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Post by: diablo_man on 31 May 2008, 23:16
they do make some really good guitars, that have been played by non metal people. some that even look good when they arent trying too hard. ill see if i can find a few pics

(http://www.bcrich.com/images/lrg/eagle_dlx_red.jpg)

holy ostentatious, but nice if you are into that



(http://www.bcrich.com/images/lrg_mock_calibre_n.jpg)

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Post by: Spluff on 01 Jun 2008, 03:08
Those guitars make baby Jesus cry.
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Post by: valley_parade on 01 Jun 2008, 06:35
Yeah, those didn't really help your point much.
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Post by: sean on 01 Jun 2008, 08:00
The second one is god awful. I don't think the first one's body is as bad, but it has the worst fret board I have ever seen.
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Post by: diablo_man on 01 Jun 2008, 11:38
well, yeah, that was the only pic of that guitar, but yes horrible neck. i actually like the second ones shape, i think slash played that shape for quite a while(not that that makes it good, just fyi)
here is his signature one
(http://www.33rebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/slash-signature-model-2.gif)

i must be weird but i really like this body shape
(http://www.jjm.ch/images/guits/mockingbird_carve_top2.jpg)

an one of their super strats
(http://www.splawnguitars.com/images/bcrside.jpg)


im not even really a fan of bc rich, but i do like some of their models
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Post by: greenMonkey on 01 Jun 2008, 14:22
Yesterday I saw what might be my ultimate guitar.  '73 Tele Thinline in black w/ humbuckers and a Bigsby tremolo.  I cried with joy when I saw it, then cried in sadness when I saw the price tag: $3699.  There was also a rather nice lawsuit Ibanez Les Paul, but it too was expensive (though less so than the Tele).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Jun 2008, 16:38
I will never buy another Gibson in my life unless it's an ES-335. Fuck Gibson. They don't know how to make a single-piece neck with an angled headstock for shit unless you feel like paying $4k for it.

A Fender is an instrument you can buy, set up once, and play it for 50 years, and it will never break. And it only gets prettier the more of the nitro finish you rub off with normal wear.

The "relic" Fenders piss me off though. They don't even put the buckle rash on there. What kind of shit is that?
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Post by: Bearer on 01 Jun 2008, 18:25
Ok, I'm going to ask this here.

On my cigarbox baby, I have one pickup wired directly into the output jack.  I didn't think I'd need to ground it (wouldn't it already be grounded?), but there's a lot of noise coming out of it. 

I'm thinking I should just throw in the volume pot I have lying around on it just just so I have somewhere to ground it (the underside of the bridge as well I guess).  Any thoughts?
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Post by: Mars on 01 Jun 2008, 20:27
I play a lot of blues and teles have got an excellent tone for it. Muddy Waters anyone?

I suppose my phrasing was unclear. My being a blues player and Teles not suiting my style were two unrelated thoughts.

I thought about getting a BC Rich, but I was afraid I'd somehow end up poking someone's eye out.

I actually like the finish on that Slash signature. If I could get that on a guitar that isn't quite so BITCHIN R0KKIN I'd be set.
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Post by: jeph on 02 Jun 2008, 01:20
Ok, I'm going to ask this here.

On my cigarbox baby, I have one pickup wired directly into the output jack.  I didn't think I'd need to ground it (wouldn't it already be grounded?), but there's a lot of noise coming out of it. 

I'm thinking I should just throw in the volume pot I have lying around on it just just so I have somewhere to ground it (the underside of the bridge as well I guess).  Any thoughts?

Nope, you still need to ground it. Underside of the bridge, Fender-style, is the easiest way to do this.

Another thing to reduce noise is to shield everything (pickup cavity, anywhere you put volume/tone knobs, etc). Carvin and Warmoth both sell shielding tape that makes this wicked easy. I recommend this since you're using a single-coil that is prone to 60-cycle hum anyway.
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Post by: jeph on 02 Jun 2008, 01:22
re: BC Rich-

If you're playing a BC Rich and it isn't black with white binding YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

I don't care how fancy the flamed maple or how ornate the neck-through, BC Riches must be BLACK with WHITE BINDING. NO EXCEPTIONS.

I'd like to own a USA-made Warlock or Mockingbird someday. They're really cool out-takes on established designs (Strat and SG).
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Post by: Bearer on 02 Jun 2008, 08:51

Nope, you still need to ground it. Underside of the bridge, Fender-style, is the easiest way to do this.

Another thing to reduce noise is to shield everything (pickup cavity, anywhere you put volume/tone knobs, etc). Carvin and Warmoth both sell shielding tape that makes this wicked easy. I recommend this since you're using a single-coil that is prone to 60-cycle hum anyway.

Well, I just did that, and despite the sound being a little better it's still noise as fuck...  I hope I didn't accidentally reverse the poles or something, but I'm pretty sure I didn't do that...Maybe it just needs shielding.
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Post by: Thrillho on 02 Jun 2008, 09:37
If you're playing a BC Rich YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
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Post by: jeph on 02 Jun 2008, 14:00
AREN'T YOU A CLEVER BOY
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Post by: Bearer on 02 Jun 2008, 16:26
Welp, turns out I did have the poles reversed.  Stupid radio shack 1/4 jack having the ring and tip switched...  Anyway, It's nice and quieted now!  Even more rocking than it was.  Kind of striking that I finish my box guitar on the day Bo Diddley dies...hmm
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Post by: greenMonkey on 02 Jun 2008, 17:34
So, what is the general opinion here on Tribute (by G & L) guitars?  I've been thinking about maybe saving up for a Tribute ASAT Classic Bluesboy Semi-hollow, and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with Tributes or that specific guitar.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Jun 2008, 18:41
AREN'T YOU A CLEVER BOY
HERE COMES A SPECIAL BOY!

edit since I should really make this post worth something. Be sure to put up a recording of the new, non-buzzy cigar-box guitar, Bearer.
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Post by: jeph on 02 Jun 2008, 18:44
So, what is the general opinion here on Tribute (by G & L) guitars?  I've been thinking about maybe saving up for a Tribute ASAT Classic Bluesboy Semi-hollow, and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with Tributes or that specific guitar.

As far as imports go, they're pretty good. I'd say they're better than an equivalent Fender import.
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Post by: Bearer on 02 Jun 2008, 21:24
Ok, here's a video of the finished deal!  I am so in love with this thing, it's ridiculous.  It just sounds...well, listen to it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az1BCZTuoW4

I've got it running through a Peavy Backstage Plus with the Saturation all the way up and a tad bit of reverb.  It doesn't sound too bad going through a tube amp either!
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Post by: Ioden on 02 Jun 2008, 21:44
Today at a music store I played an Epi Les Paul Studio through a Roland 20X and, wow, it sounded like the $1000 Gibson through the $300 Roland that I played weeks earlier.

Such a great warm, classic rock sound, especially with a bit of chorus thrown in.

Wish I could afford one, but it's nice to know that, if a dinky Studio on a fairly cheap amp sounded that great, one of the Standards must be God Damned amazing.
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Post by: celticgeek on 02 Jun 2008, 21:52
Ok, here's a video of the finished deal!  I am so in love with this thing, it's ridiculous.  It just sounds...well, listen to it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az1BCZTuoW4

I've got it running through a Peavy Backstage Plus with the Saturation all the way up and a tad bit of reverb.  It doesn't sound too bad going through a tube amp either!

Wicked cool, man.
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Post by: Spluff on 02 Jun 2008, 23:01
AREN'T YOU A CLEVER BOY
HERE COMES A SPECIAL BOY!

edit since I should really make this post worth something. Be sure to put up a recording of the new, non-buzzy cigar-box guitar, Bearer.

Achewood posts are always worth something.

Also, I will kindly sell my soul to somebody who makes a working 'Here comes a special boy' guitar.
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Post by: FireAarro on 02 Jun 2008, 23:50
Ok, here's a video of the finished deal!  I am so in love with this thing, it's ridiculous.  It just sounds...well, listen to it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az1BCZTuoW4

I've got it running through a Peavy Backstage Plus with the Saturation all the way up and a tad bit of reverb.  It doesn't sound too bad going through a tube amp either!

Sounds very nice. Maybe Bo's spirit now inhabits your guitar... :o haunted axe
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Post by: valley_parade on 03 Jun 2008, 04:47
So, what is the general opinion here on Tribute (by G & L) guitars?  I've been thinking about maybe saving up for a Tribute ASAT Classic Bluesboy Semi-hollow, and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with Tributes or that specific guitar.

I've played the Tribute Bluesboy and the Tribute ASAT Classic. They're really good for the price.
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Post by: Thrillho on 03 Jun 2008, 09:45
AREN'T YOU A CLEVER BOY

YES :D

*claps*
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Post by: Nodaisho on 03 Jun 2008, 14:13

Achewood posts are always worth something.

Also, I will kindly sell my soul to somebody who makes a working 'Here comes a special boy' guitar.
Hmm... When I saw that one, I was thinking it just played the same pitch/note/key/whateverthehellyoucallit no matter where you strummed, but I imagine one that played in the note you played would be more interesting. Not sure how you would do that, though, you would need a tuner in the guitar to tell what note and pitch it was at to play it.
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Post by: the Goat on 03 Jun 2008, 16:11
So, what is the general opinion here on Tribute (by G & L) guitars?  I've been thinking about maybe saving up for a Tribute ASAT Classic Bluesboy Semi-hollow, and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with Tributes or that specific guitar.

I haven't played any of the the Tribute guitars, but the basses are definitely a good deal so I would assume their guitars are as well.
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Post by: diablo_man on 03 Jun 2008, 18:54
i never liked the feel or set up of the G & L strats. i much prefered the mexican fenders.

on a side note, check out the pickguard that was on my mexi fender strat(long since sold) when i got it. the guitar was a deep burgundy.
(http://i20.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/d0/64/7e_1.JPG)
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Post by: Tehz on 03 Jun 2008, 19:52
That's...badass?
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Post by: valley_parade on 03 Jun 2008, 21:26
Oh hey so uh..I played a '72 Telecaster Custom reissue (http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0137502306) this past weekend.

I uhm. I...can't get the Jazzmaster. The Tele was just too perfect for me. And it's $100 less than the Jazzmaster.
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Post by: Ballard on 03 Jun 2008, 21:29
Didn't I show you that on AIM months ago and you were all "that's pretty punx, dude. get it!"

I'm currently going for the Tele Deluxe over the Custom cause I don't like the black or sunburst finishes and the pickguard around the single coil is funky.
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Post by: valley_parade on 03 Jun 2008, 21:31
What are you getting, the white Deluxe that MF had for a while?

Also, I was planning on getting one of those old-ass bridge covers. I love how the single-coil sounds, but agree that it's a a little weird looking with the pickguard.

(Gene I do not believe we've ever talked on AIM)
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Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Jun 2008, 05:27
So I was looking up the price for that guitar Shane linked and came across this:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/2/8/268328.jpg)

HAWT
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Post by: ledhendrix on 04 Jun 2008, 05:32
I would gladly trade my soul for one of them. I mean, what the hell is a soul good for anyway.
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Post by: valley_parade on 04 Jun 2008, 05:34
The store I went to had one of those Thinlines as well. It sounded ace, but I kinda like the seperate volume/tone controls of the Deluxe and the Custom better.

edit: Uh, right. (http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0115002805) Sometimes you make me wonder, Fender. Though not as much as Gibson.
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Post by: Thrillho on 04 Jun 2008, 07:35
Thinlines are nice guitars, but I've never liked the look of them. A little bit... I dunno... accesorised for my taste.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 04 Jun 2008, 18:40
This Tele love is happening with me too, but for the aforementioned Tribute ASAT Classic Bluesboy semi-hollow.  It's basically a thinline version of the '72 custom, and they have it in a gorgeous clear orange finish.
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Post by: Mr. Mojo on 04 Jun 2008, 20:05
So I was looking up the price for that guitar Shane linked and came across this:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/2/8/268328.jpg)

HAWT

I've played one. They Kill.
The Nashville Custom Tele is nice too
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Post by: E. Spaceman on 04 Jun 2008, 20:21
no love for the Tele Plus?
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Post by: voidSkipper on 05 Jun 2008, 06:26
Ok, here's a video of the finished deal!  I am so in love with this thing, it's ridiculous.  It just sounds...well, listen to it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az1BCZTuoW4

I've got it running through a Peavy Backstage Plus with the Saturation all the way up and a tad bit of reverb.  It doesn't sound too bad going through a tube amp either!

Sounds bloody fantastic. Great stuff.

Makes me want to build my own, till I realise I have no craft skills ):
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Post by: sean on 06 Jun 2008, 12:37
If I was a guitarist I would kill for that tele Matt posted.

And may I say that Warwick does not know how to wire a fucking bass. Seriously, the wiring on my bass has come apart like, 3 times now. Fucking piece of shit.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Jun 2008, 02:05
Guys, my dad called me at work a couple days ago and told me some of the saddest news I've heard in years: Bo Diddley has passed away (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBIT_DIDDLEY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-06-02-12-09-29). Even if I only met him for 30 minutes, it feels like I've lost a good friend.

I am more determined than ever to bring that guitar of mine to playing condition before the end of the summer.
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Post by: Mr. Mojo on 07 Jun 2008, 08:55
well, yeah, that was the only pic of that guitar, but yes horrible neck. i actually like the second ones shape, i think slash played that shape for quite a while(not that that makes it good, just fyi)
here is his signature one
(http://www.33rebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/slash-signature-model-2.gif)

i must be weird but i really like this body shape
(http://www.jjm.ch/images/guits/mockingbird_carve_top2.jpg)

an one of their super strats
(http://www.splawnguitars.com/images/bcrside.jpg)


im not even really a fan of bc rich, but i do like some of their models

You are doing it wrong. I say this not with just any offense, but with every offense known to man.
BC Rich's are what guitar noobs when they want to feel BR00T41.
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Post by: diablo_man on 07 Jun 2008, 09:53
okay how exactly are the last two brutal?  you know they have been around since the 70s, they arent all about the brutality, though it seems that is all they are known for
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Jun 2008, 11:34
n00bz0rz* fuck you Sam get it right

There's a guy I work with who said he was starting out on guitar. He asked me what kind I've got, and I told him about my SG. He was like "That's pretty cool, but check out what I'm getting. I'm getting a Warlock!"

I wish it wasn't a firable/federal offense to kick somebody in the face and bowl them over into a fry vat. Because I'd have fucking done it.
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Post by: glyphic on 07 Jun 2008, 12:30
I had a friend in high school who bought a white Warlock to use in his church band. Not a Christian Rock band, but a band that played hymns during church service. :?
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Post by: Tehz on 07 Jun 2008, 13:19
When I think of B.C. Rich Warlocks, I'm tempted to think of things like this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ESAebindkl4 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ESAebindkl4)

In other words, they're guitars that faux-metal heads or pre-teens get when they decide that they want to learn how to play guitar, just based on the fact that they look "brutal". They aren't anything beyond that.

At least in my opinion.
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Post by: Thrillho on 07 Jun 2008, 13:41
I had a friend in high school who bought a white Warlock to use in his church band. Not a Christian Rock band, but a band that played hymns during church service. :?

Jesus. That must've sounded awful, all the BCs I've played had mortal clean tones. They're just aching for distortion.
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Post by: Tehz on 07 Jun 2008, 16:41
Glad you enjoyed it. Here's another from the same guy, it's somehow even worse than the first one.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h2-ZBDo-L3w (http://youtube.com/watch?v=h2-ZBDo-L3w)

Yeah, I have too much free time on my hands.
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Post by: Mars on 07 Jun 2008, 23:18
Holy crap, those have to be joke videos. There's no way someone would seriously post something that bad on youtube.
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Post by: Patrick on 08 Jun 2008, 01:44
All I have to say about it has been posted as a text comment on the video.
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Post by: Lummer on 08 Jun 2008, 11:50
A friend of mine has a white BC Rich Ignitor, and it looks a bit silly, but it's an amazing guitar. The USA models are really great-sounding guitars, that just happen to look weird.
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Post by: Mr. Mojo on 08 Jun 2008, 18:04
I'm glad i made my point.
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Post by: Patrick on 08 Jun 2008, 23:18
The USA models are really great-sounding guitars, that just happen to look so goddamn stupid you want to kill everybody who has ever even thought about buying one, even ironically.
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Post by: spidergland on 09 Jun 2008, 06:10
Hey, some guy near me is trying to selling a Gibson Nighthawk Landmark thingymajig.  What's the word on the street about this baby?  I doubt I'll buy, I've already got myself a Fender Tele and some real old SG copy, but I'm intrigued. 
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Post by: doombilly on 09 Jun 2008, 06:57
Guys, I played a Tiny Terror this weekend. Short version: 5150 combo crapped out the practice the night before the show. I swapped it for my Twin Reverb. Twin reverb started farting during the In-Store (early show). Borrowed the other band's guitar rig for the club gig. Guy has an 1966 Marshall 8x10 powered by that little bastard. Holy shit. I chose the 15w mode as I have a lot of clean sounds in my songs. And I use a pod pedal board. But i think it was the truest representation of my sound evarrr. Plus it weighs considerable less than a @#$%!#$^ Peavey 5150 combo. I guess that cab was pretty sweet. I wouldn't want to have to move that much. But shit I'd play one through a 4x10 or 2x12 in a sec. (oh it was a telling tale of rock and roll roadtrip from HECK, I'll prolly write it up later today).
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Post by: Mars on 09 Jun 2008, 09:26
I've heard awesome things about Orange amps, but haven't had the opportunity to play on one yet. I think I might have to see what I can do about changing that.

On a related note, I love me my Pod. Those things kick much ass.
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Post by: doombilly on 09 Jun 2008, 10:36
Orange-
Pod.-
After lugging Maria's 4x10 and 1x15 cabs + Ampeg head around, I am much in love with the tiny-ness of the tiny terror. Really, 15w pushed the heck out of the 8x10. But...
&
I'm playing the PODX3Live. Once I figured out the output settings I have no problems. I'm playing through a solid state Pinceton Chorus as the tube amps are giving me headaches. Only thing I had to change was turning up the master vol on the P0D. That little bastard never sounded so loud.
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Post by: Tehz on 09 Jun 2008, 12:18
I'd love to get an Orange (probably my dream amp, in fact), but they're all so fucking expensive.
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Post by: Lummer on 09 Jun 2008, 16:00
You guys!

I have now officially found the best Strings in the world.

Thomastik-Infeld Powerbrights...

HOLY FUCK!!!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Jun 2008, 02:51
I still use Ernie Ball Rock n' Roll strings. They're made with a different, less magnetic winding on the higher-gauge strings, which is great since those massive-output humbuckers really like to scream out the lower notes a lot more than the higher ones. Makes for a much more even volume balance between the strings. And Ernie Balls have been the most reliable strings I've ever used in my whole time playing.

I would like for you guys to know that I played a bunch of Gibson acoustics when I was down in California (Santa Cruz day trip with my dad yielded interesting results in my musical world), and I have decided that they are not as nice-sounding as Taylors and way less resilient. I met a dude recently (an elementary school P.E. teacher, he's a complete badass when he's not playing nice for little kids) who has a Taylor that he bought 12 years ago and has gigged with nearly nonstop. It has the back of the fucker halfway fallen off, and it still sounds fantastic and plays really well.
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Post by: doombilly on 10 Jun 2008, 05:56
I'm now fantasizing about a Tiny Terror into a Port City 2x12. Yes I am.

EDIT>>>
Quote
Daniel Klein to me:
 I can supply two jacks for a stereo setup. Please let me know if you have any further question. Thanks!
hmmmmm. But then I'd need a TT and either a different power amp for the fishmans, or two TT's. Obviously I need two TT's and a 2x12 Wave Cabinet from Port City. And apparently I need about $1775. Hah. Or some anti-psychotic drugs to stave off this delusion...
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Post by: Catacombs on 10 Jun 2008, 07:23
So long story short, i noticed a small crack in the headstock of my Taylor 110.  I got it fixed, i just don't know if i should get it refinished.  It looks kinda cool unfinished, but if its a cheap job then i'll get it done.

(point: does anyone know how much (ballpark figure) the fix/refin will cost?)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 11 Jun 2008, 10:44
Anyone want to see a pointless guitar/bass.

(http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2008/.slide_z12stringbass.jpg)

Who would even want to play something like that. It would be so fucking difficult to actually get your hand round the neck, never mind actually play the damned thing properly.
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Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 11 Jun 2008, 10:52
 :lol:
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Post by: Chad K. on 11 Jun 2008, 11:06
Wow, what a ridiculous waste of money.  It's far cheaper just to run around shouting "Look at me! Look at me!! ". 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Jun 2008, 17:54
Anyone want to see a pointless guitar/bass.

(http://~)

Who would even want to play something like that. It would be so fucking difficult to actually get your hand round the neck, never mind actually play the damned thing properly.
I do not believe it to be made to get your hand "around" that neck. But still, ew.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 11 Jun 2008, 18:03
Personally I've always thought Warlocks and Mockingbirds looked pretty cool.

Have you guys seen the new Carvin Hollobodies (https://www.carvinguitars.com/catalog/guitars/index.php?model=sh550)? They look REALLY nice. Too bad Carvin's pickups are historically pretty shitty.
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Post by: doombilly on 11 Jun 2008, 18:06
Speaking of oddities...Moog Guitar.
http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/06/moog-unveils-ba.html

Not really my thing but, hey...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Jun 2008, 18:43
Anyone want to see a pointless guitar/bass.

(http://Crazy ass bass.)

Who would even want to play something like that. It would be so fucking difficult to actually get your hand round the neck, never mind actually play the damned thing properly.

Is that Lurch?
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Post by: Tehz on 11 Jun 2008, 19:12
Speaking of oddities...Moog Guitar.
http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/06/moog-unveils-ba.html

Not really my thing but, hey...

That's pretty damn awesome. You can probably get some cool Sigur Ros-esque sounds out of that thing.
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Post by: Patrick on 11 Jun 2008, 20:09
Personally I've always thought Hitler was pretty alright.

And that Moog guitar... holy shit, that is crazy. Hellof cool. But I bet it just has a separate Ebow for each string in each pickup. Anybody notice how it's just a regular old guitar but it's just got 'sustainer' pickups? I mean, I'm not saying this isn't badass, because it totally is. I'm just saying I'm surprised nobody came up with it earlier.
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Post by: Martian on 11 Jun 2008, 20:12
You play it like a chapman stick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJSEaxJalco).

It actually has a cool-ish sound, although there's no way I'd be patient enough to learn how to play it.

As far as strange guitars go, the moog guitar is pretty tame. I mean, I don't buy seven string guitars because I don't know what to do with the seventh string, so I sure as hell wouldn't want 42 strings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikasso_guitar).

In other news, my music store just got a new shipment in today. Among the toys is a Cort acoustic electric with a satin black finish. WANT.
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Post by: doombilly on 12 Jun 2008, 06:50
And that Moog guitar... holy shit, that is crazy. Hellof cool.dotdotdot
Did you watch the video where they show the mute function? Also
Quote
"...it is an all-analog feedback loop... it's a balanced analog servomotor feedback loop using hundreds of discrete transistors. The pickups do each have an electromagnetic driver per string, but unlike an ebow the drive is frequency-dependent as it is getting its signal from the string and then feeding this vibration back to the string, in phase for sustain and opposite phase for mute. So there's no signal processing happening to the audio... it's all analog physics happening between the pickup and the string."
(from somewheres off of the parker forum. )

And: http://moogmusic.com/moogguitar/?section=product&product_id=21129
I'd settle for a cheaper model sans gold fucking hardware and Quintuple A Maple Flame-a-roo finish. In fact, it would be much better in a simple BLACK finish. With Chrome hardware. Anyway just kind of neato.

Quote from: Jeph
Carvin hollowbodies
I am pretty fickle about Carvin electronics after  Maria's LB70P had to be sent back twice (the preamp poop'd). AND the bass cabinet (1x15) I bought from them had the speaker plop out a few months after getting it. They tried to BS me that it was an underpowered~voice coil problem I created. Really. With an SVT4Pro head? That amount of ass-fistery has lead me to other vendors since. And I already employ a DCM1000 power amp and two huge PA cabs from them. Having been fucked on their "warranty" in the past would lead me to order that hollow body with NO electronics and just install myself or have it done locally. If anything else craps out from them I'll just replace it with something more reliable. I still have the bass cabinet. If it were not so damned big I'd make me a custom guitar cab out of it. But easily portable, it aint.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Jun 2008, 11:48
I didn't read that, but I did watch the video (although I didn't care what anybody said because "omg wut" gets old after a while). I bet that fucker sucks up 9v batteries like a Hummer sucks up dinosaurs.

I could use a good blowjob
   /
  :-D

A question: do any of you guys know how much trouble it'd be for me to install a Wilkinson trem bridge in my Stratoclone? I don't want to do it if it's going to be back-breaking shit, and I really don't want to do any routing at all because I am terrified of the possible consequences of my retardation.

Also, Gene said I might have trouble installing a Tele neck pickup into the neck pickup spot, but said he couldn't really provide specifics. Assuming that the routing is done the exact same way as the actual Fender Strat on my clone, does anybody have more specific info for me as to what I'll have to do to make it fit?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jun 2008, 18:35
So, guys, I played a Gretsch today and I didn't absolutely hate the pickups!  I was pretty satisfied.  Apparently, the Duo Jets have single coils on them and the one I played had humbuckers.  As far as I can tell, Gretsch single coil pickups sound muddy as hell.

This is the one I played:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/4/1/526041.jpg)

It sounded pretty fantastic and restored my faith in Gretsch guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Jun 2008, 11:18
Squier's hopping onto the vintage repro bandwagon. They just launched the "Classic Vibe" series.

http://www.squierguitars.com/classicvibe/

I'm really digging that Duo-Sonic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Jun 2008, 11:23
Dude, I agree.  That Duo Sonic looks sick.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Jun 2008, 11:26
$300 from Musician's Friend. I should grab two!

The Telecaster has a pine body. How's pine sound, compared to say ash or alder?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 14 Jun 2008, 21:34
Some guy on a forum I frequent got one of the Duo Sonics already, and says it's really great value for the money- doesn't play or sound like a beginner guitar, he doesn't want to change the pickups out or anythihng even.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 15 Jun 2008, 04:37
I found this particular little freak from among the similar videos from the Moog guitar vid:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aZpD0btOZx8&feature=related

Dude playing two guitars simultaneously, and not sounding like utter ass, unlike Michael Angelo Batio.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Jun 2008, 06:19
Some guy on a forum I frequent got one of the Duo Sonics already, and says it's really great value for the money- doesn't play or sound like a beginner guitar, he doesn't want to change the pickups out or anythihng even.

That's enough for me. I'm getting one. Anyway, it's a few hundy less than that Jazzmaster, or the Tele Custom.


edit: Hey, my stimulus check is getting sent out on Friday! Hells yeah. Sup, new geet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Jun 2008, 19:40
I am indie as fuck for ending my Squier-bashing a full two years before any of you turncoatin' sons-a-bitches.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 15 Jun 2008, 20:38
fuck youuuuu I own a Les Paul fuck youuuuuuu
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Jun 2008, 20:52
And my Bo Diddley-signed Stratoclone could yield double the original retail value of it on eBay just because he died two weeks ago. Truce?

Fuck you my penis is bigger than 4" okay
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 15 Jun 2008, 20:56
Fuck you both, I BUILT a guitar.
plus...I have a Firebird...fuck you
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Jun 2008, 21:34
I am indie as fuck for ending my Squier-bashing a full two years before any of you turncoatin' sons-a-bitches.

Dude, hate to rain on your parade, but I've had my Squire for three years, with few complaints.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Jun 2008, 21:57
And my Bo Diddley-signed Stratoclone could yield double the original retail value of it on eBay just because he died two weeks ago. Truce?

Fuck you my penis is bigger than 4" okay
Well, at least you could if you hadn't accidentally destroyed the signature while attempting to protect it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 15 Jun 2008, 22:52
I'm metal as fuck because I still hate Squier.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 16 Jun 2008, 01:25
Some guy on a forum I frequent got one of the Duo Sonics already, and says it's really great value for the money- doesn't play or sound like a beginner guitar, he doesn't want to change the pickups out or anythihng even.

That's enough for me. I'm getting one. Anyway, it's a few hundy less than that Jazzmaster, or the Tele Custom.

http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/index.php?topic=12445.60

There's a link to his review of the guitar, and pics, if you're interested.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 16 Jun 2008, 10:27
I play seven-strings fuck yoooouuuuuuu toooooo...

I strongly doubt that it will impress any of you guys though...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 16 Jun 2008, 10:34
i play a warwick fuck all of youuuuuuuuuuuuuu

and a squier p-bass
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 16 Jun 2008, 10:42
Fuck all y'all fuckers.
Just you know, for general purposes.

Also
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Divisions/Gibson%20USA/Products/GOTM/LesPaulPush-tone/ (whoops forgot the link)
$4500 is a lot to pay for a guitar so you can change the pickups easily. I mean, If I was going to pay $4500...I'd want the pickups to sound so awesome I'd never change them. I'd likely just pay for a $2000 guitar and spend the rest ON :evil: YOUR :evil: MOMS. :evil:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 16 Jun 2008, 15:36
I play seven-strings fuck yoooouuuuuuu toooooo...

I strongly doubt that it will impress any of you guys though...
Doesn't ESP make 7-string vipers? I think I might have seen one on this thread, it made my head hurt to look at it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 16 Jun 2008, 18:51
I think Lummer actually has one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 16 Jun 2008, 21:01
That is just wrong. I mean, I like 7-strings, even though I have never played one, I like SGs, so I like vipers, but never the twain should meet. I guess I just think of 7 strings as mainly a superstrat thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 16 Jun 2008, 23:49
My local shop has a 72 thinline tele!

And apparently they now stock Gretsch, which is awesome. I might have to go in on the weekend and try them out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 17 Jun 2008, 07:41
I got an old Tele with a custom B Bender in it a while ago, and it's pretty fantastic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 17 Jun 2008, 08:02
I think Lummer actually has one.

Indeed i do, and I quite like it, including the look. My main gripe about it though, is the fact that EMG's just DO NOT SOUND GOOD AT ALL..
The neckdive issue is also fixed very easily.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 17 Jun 2008, 14:58
plus...I have a Firebird

Man, I had one first. Do you want a frigging cookie?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 17 Jun 2008, 20:23
Only if it's cooked with the shame of how NOT BLUE YOUR'S IS!

Your rebuttal?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Jun 2008, 00:51
I am indie as fuck for ending my Squier-bashing a full two years before any of you turncoatin' sons-a-bitches.

Dude, hate to rain on your parade, but I've had my Squire for three years, with few complaints.

Yeah but nobody cares about Squire, we're talking about Squier here.

Sorry, it bothers the hell out of me when people misspell that. It's a brand name, not a goddamn knight's assistant.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 18 Jun 2008, 04:17
Some of us never bashed Squier. Squier make guitars which are plenty good enough. My '72 Tele reissue is a Squier and it's just mufuckin dandy...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jimmy Fuzz on 18 Jun 2008, 04:18
These are my two main guitars. The one on the right I bought over christmas and is made of win and awesome. The one on the left is my first electric guitar i've had for over 8 years.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/Jimmy_Fuzz/P1020961.jpg)
Oh yeah the amp in the corner of the picture isn't the one I use, it's my old amp which i brought up so me and the bassist i jam with could both have amps without him having to drag his up the stairs to my room.

This is quite an old picture from before I moved out, it's a mexican strat which i bought about 2 or 3 years ago. I leave it at home nowadays because you can't really play metal on it, not without using loads of digital crap to get the right sound out of it. It's really nice though. Been trying to sell it for a year now, not trying very hard though.
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/Jimmy_Fuzz/IMG_0321.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 18 Jun 2008, 04:21
Squier guitars have surprisingly good handling for the price you pay. Definitely not my kind of guitar though. I lack the required indie-cred, and, like B.C. Rich is just being obnoxious unless you're in Death or Slayer, Squier kind of just screams out "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M AN IDIE TIT" if you can afford a better guitar.

But mainly I just don't dig the way they sound.

By the way, that Jackson is sexmatastic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 18 Jun 2008, 09:23
Squier kind of just screams out "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M AN IDIE TIT" if you can afford a better guitar.

Baking powder?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Jun 2008, 18:27
Some of us never bashed Squier. Squier make guitars which are plenty good enough. My '72 Tele reissue is a Squier and it's just mufuckin dandy...

My friend's got the version with the P-90s, it's downright spectacular.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 20 Jun 2008, 11:38
Coolest thing ever- my birthday is coming up and my girlfriend had me start finding basses online I would like and adding the urls to my favorites.  She's planning on picking one and having my fam and friends go in on it.  she's got good taste in gee-tars.  Right now she's actually drooling over getting me a seafoam green p-bass or an ash tele bass with a rosewood neck.  Best thing- our apartment is littered with fifteen or sixteen different guitars and basses, because frankly, I have a problem- and yet she still wants me to get more.  I love enablers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Jun 2008, 12:40
Does anybody want to buy my SG? I'm not even kidding, you send me a check for something like $650 (if you can add $30 for shipping that's cool but it's not a necessity) and your shipping address and in a couple weeks you will have yourself a Gibson.

Jeph knows he wants an SG and it's a better price than they go for now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 20 Jun 2008, 12:54
So, you order the SG, you wait forever for the SG, you promptly break the SG, then wait forever for it be repaired, and now you want to get rid of it?  Maybe you could go into counseling with the SG and work through some of the issues it's put you through.  I'm sure, in time, the two of you could learn to love again.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 20 Jun 2008, 13:15
I would if I had the 650, let me guess, the cheaper... fender model, starts with a J, is what you want the money for?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Jun 2008, 15:52
So, you order the SG, you wait forever for the SG

I bought it in a store and took it home that night! The "wait forever" was when I was waiting to get her back.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 20 Jun 2008, 16:06
So, you order the SG, you wait forever for the SG, you promptly break the SG, then wait forever for it be repaired, and now you want to get rid of it?  Maybe you could go into counseling with the SG and work through some of the issues it's put you through.  I'm sure, in time, the two of you could learn to love again.

Marry me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 20 Jun 2008, 19:02
So, firstly, why ARE you selling the SG?  I'm partially interested in it, but the fear of my Firebird strangleing me in my sleep is keeping me from wanting it more.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Jun 2008, 01:44
lulzy stuff

Marry me.

That's the exact trap I fell into with the SG dude, you better rethink before you commit.

And I'm selling it because I just plain don't like the way she sounds in terms of making my own music. Now, for covers, she's incredibly versatile, and she'll do a fucking blazing slide guitar. And in terms of showmanship, I fucking adore that thing's looks. Everything about the way she plays is perfect, and if the neck pickup were maybe a half inch further from the bridge it'd be perfect for my own stuff, but it's not. On the *ahem* GUITAR I'D RATHER HAVE *cough*, the pickups have superior placement in terms of getting the sounds I'm looking for.

That said, when I install the noiseless Tele pickups I just bought for my Stratoclone, the fucker will sound like Jesus Christ ejaculating at 5,000mph and having it hit the bells of the cathedral in Munich.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 21 Jun 2008, 01:50
Basically Patrick is admitting that he simply isn't metal enough for the SG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 21 Jun 2008, 12:17
So, you order the SG, you wait forever for the SG, you promptly break the SG, then wait forever for it be repaired, and now you want to get rid of it?  Maybe you could go into counseling with the SG and work through some of the issues it's put you through.  I'm sure, in time, the two of you could learn to love again.

Marry me.

With a sig like yours?  Sorry, but I think I'd just feel like a nice guy you were settling for. 

Anywho- So, Patrick, what is the dream gee-tar you're holding out for?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 21 Jun 2008, 15:51
I would be willing to take a wild guess and say it was a Jaguar.

Am I Right?

Yeah I'm right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 21 Jun 2008, 15:55
It was either a Jaguar or that Player Jazzmaster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Rizzo on 21 Jun 2008, 18:55
Currently ordering a Fender Jaguar HH. Played one the other day, so nice! Suitably jangly for indie shite and suitably meedly for posthardcore stuff too.
Then gonna get myself a Tiny Terror and a cab to replace my current amp. Favourite thing about the TT? SO CHEAP. They're about $500NZ (That's about $300US) which is hella hella hella cheap for an orange amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 21 Jun 2008, 20:29
And they rock

And they're portable

And they rock





And I don't have one...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 21 Jun 2008, 23:52
Then gonna get myself a Tiny Terror and a cab to replace my current amp. Favourite thing about the TT? SO CHEAP. They're about $500NZ (That's about $300US) which is hella hella hella cheap for an orange amp.

Fuck, even in NZ they are cheaper than in AUS. They cost about $900 for the head here!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jun 2008, 06:23
Currently ordering a Fender Jaguar HH. Played one the other day, so nice! Suitably jangly for indie shite and suitably meedly for posthardcore stuff too.
Then gonna get myself a Tiny Terror and a cab to replace my current amp. Favourite thing about the TT? SO CHEAP. They're about $500NZ (That's about $300US) which is hella hella hella cheap for an orange amp.

The fuck?! They're like $550 in America.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 22 Jun 2008, 14:01
Well if you like corn dogs, I recommend this keyboard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYth8AVP1tw).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: himynameisjulien on 22 Jun 2008, 15:05
Danelectro Hodad. Somehow I got it for $325, cheap seeing as it's not made anymore. Four lipstick pickups wired as two humbuckers, coil tapping, phase switching (push-pull pots). The neck is somehow only 2 or 3 mm thicker than the headstock, and very very fast. Second to none, ties with Music Man necks. It's black with gold sparkle metalflakes. Oh and a custom Danelectro whammy a-la-Bigsby. Like the one in the link but a different color. http://www.danguitars.com/Hodad.html
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 22 Jun 2008, 15:22
Oh that is so cool. What color is yours?

edit: oh you said so. oops.

well
the white one is so hot:
(http://www.surfingkentucky.com/Guitars/DanoHodadWhite.JPG)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 22 Jun 2008, 16:05
I've played one.  They're pretty cool, I like the whammy.  I still prefer my U-1 though.

You didn't happen to but it at Encore Music in Minneapolis, did you?  They had one that sounds like yours.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Jun 2008, 17:47

the white one is so hot:
*Sex*

OMGZ
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 22 Jun 2008, 18:24
Patrick I have a $3000 Les Paul I do not need your SG

That Dano is pretty sweet. The guy from the Poster Children gets some INCREDIBLE guitar tone from his.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: himynameisjulien on 22 Jun 2008, 19:10
I've played one.  They're pretty cool, I like the whammy.  I still prefer my U-1 though.

You didn't happen to but it at Encore Music in Minneapolis, did you?  They had one that sounds like yours.
You mean looks? no, I bought it off of some guy on eBay. I was scared shitless the entire time waiting for it to arrive, because I couldn't find one anywhere else that was the same and I have a thing for Danelectros. The whammy I find to be pretty useless for what I play, ska and punk and rock. My friend actually has maybe 10 (!) Danelectros, but his father is professional and buys them for fun. Coincidentally, he lives in Minneapolis. Martin Zellar, maybe you've heard of him. I tried out one of his U-1s and U-2s, as well as a DC and a DC-12. All sounded good, and somehow the DC-12 was easier to fret, faster, etc. than the others. If you had one I would throw my Hodad off of a cliff if you were to sell it to me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Jun 2008, 22:32
I would love to get a Dano, to upgrade from my Stratocaster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 22 Jun 2008, 23:33
Well, my Dano wouldn't be much of an upgrade (in the state it was in).  I bought my U-1 for $180 used.  After playing it for 6 months, I took it in for $125 worth of repairs.  It was desperately in need of a fret dressing and the bridge was caving in.  I ordered a new bridge (actually a U-3 bridge, because it has individually intonatable saddles) and had a fret dressing done; the part is back ordered.  The guitar has been at my local music store for a month and a half and it looks like it will stay there a bit longer.  I miss it dreadfully, especially since I just a new guitar amp 2 or 3 months ago and I'm still playing with it and figuring it out and I haven't had much of a chance with the Dano.

But a used Dano in good condition is a great deal.  They are great guitars for the money, just a little cheaply made, but they sound great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: himynameisjulien on 23 Jun 2008, 14:57
haha yes I think they're made out of plywood. Maybe masonite. It goes to show that what kind of wood you use doesn't matter all that much.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 23 Jun 2008, 15:12
You can definitely tell the difference in sounds between the woods. You don't want every guitar having the thin, twangy tone of a dano.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Rizzo on 23 Jun 2008, 20:31
Currently ordering a Fender Jaguar HH. Played one the other day, so nice! Suitably jangly for indie shite and suitably meedly for posthardcore stuff too.
Then gonna get myself a Tiny Terror and a cab to replace my current amp. Favourite thing about the TT? SO CHEAP. They're about $500NZ (That's about $300US) which is hella hella hella cheap for an orange amp.

The fuck?! They're like $550 in America.
Yeah, they retail for about $750 here but I have a friend who works for the distributer and can get it for shop price. w00t.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 23 Jun 2008, 21:38
haha yes I think they're made out of plywood. Maybe masonite. It goes to show that what kind of wood you use doesn't matter all that much.

Yep, Masonite.  Is the Hodad a solid-body or a semi-hollow?  I ask this because U-1s (and therefore I assume U-2s and U-3s) look like they are solid-bodies, but are actually semi-hollows.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 23 Jun 2008, 21:59
IIRC, all the Danelectro reissues are semi-hollow.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Jun 2008, 01:20
Patrick I have a $3000 Les Paul I do not need your SG

Yeah but you can't reach shit past fret 17 or some shit and the SG also feeds back easier (and prettier) and it's like 80 pounds lighter. SG > Les Paul
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 24 Jun 2008, 18:36
(http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/9559/23062008076fm6.th.jpg) (http://"http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23062008076fm6.jpg")
(http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/2232/23062008081fe2.th.jpg) (http://"http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23062008081fe2.jpg")



 :-D New Telecaster!!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 24 Jun 2008, 19:11
Patrick I have a $3000 Les Paul I do not need your SG

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

can't hear you

rocking too hard
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 25 Jun 2008, 01:17
*high five*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 25 Jun 2008, 07:38
Hey guys, I'm probably getting a tiny terror...maybe Friday.

NOW, help me internets. I am likely going to have to get a used cabinet. I am thinking a 2x12 would be fine.
But they seem to be less ubiquitous as the 4x12s you would find at Guitard ctr or SamAss. So anyway, thoughts.

To trash things up I play a Parker Nitefly M. It's a HH Mahogany guitar, with a Fishman acoustic bridge. I play stereo into a PODX3Live. Stereo bc I use different sig paths for the mag (DiMarzios) and Piezo pickups. Signal comes out the nitelfy in stereo.

Anyway. Granted I can get any freakin' sound out of the POd. But I am playing in more places that have dodgy or shite PA's. Also when I've played this into my FPrinceton Stereo Chorus (Solid State) it just sounds weak.

This is all happening because my 85lb monster Peavey 5150 has become unreliable. I suspect it needs some TLC from someone and I don't have the time to get it worked on. Additionally I have half a dozen shows lined up. Additionally I took the Twin Reverb on the road a few weeks ago and it sounds like it also needs repair (likely power supply replacement, and some speaker probs).

So, I (and by "I" I mean my wife) thinks I should just start w/ a new amp. Played the TT in Wilmington a couple weeks ago and OMGOMGOMGOMG. Perfect. If I don't do something about my crap sounding amp, she is likely to issue a beat down with the P bass.

And gee it would be nice to not have a SCROTOLIAN BACK BREAKER of a rig to lug. (Besides I have her ampeg + 2 cans to lug, ugh).

My first thought was PORT CITY WAVE CABINET. But at $600, that's a bit steep. And just not do-able right now.

Am I kidding myself? Should I just bite the bullet and take a 4x12? Seems like the TT should be able to give me an equivalent sound with a 212 cabinet as I would get with a 212 tuber combo...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 25 Jun 2008, 08:07
If you want cabinets, specifically a 2x12, I'd say look into Marshall and Vox cabinets.  The ones loaded with Celestion speakers in particular.  Me, I'd probably want to get a Vox 2x12 with the Celestion Blues.

I briefly check out some Marshalls on Musicians' Friend and I came across one that had a switch that allowed one to go change from a mono imput/output to a stereo one.  Thought that might interest you.

This one. (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Marshall-1960AV-Vintage-Speaker-Cabinet?sku=482774)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 25 Jun 2008, 08:32
Thanks. That one you linked to is a 4 12.
&
I've read some crap about MC12, so I don't know.

Plus hmmm, AVATAR. Wow. They come in Orange! Durn things are 65 lbs. heh.
(http://www.avatarspeakers.com/pictures/g212specialorangewheat.jpg)

What do you guys think about Open vs Closed back?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 25 Jun 2008, 08:46
I would go closed back all the way, but then again that's my preference. I value punch, oomph and clarity above all.

And another thing:

http://www.gibson.com/en%2Dus/divisions/gibson%20usa/products/designer/joan%2Djett%2Dmelody%2Dmaker/

I AM TOTALLY BUYING THIS THING, COME PAYDAY

HOLY FUCK IT ROCKS
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 25 Jun 2008, 08:57
I hear you Lummer. Wow that MM is sweet. <3.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 25 Jun 2008, 09:08
Good good. I have an ENGL 4x12 myself, which I am very pleased with. Heavy as fuck, but it sounds good and is practically indestructible. Hooray for german functionality!

And that MM is indeed sweet. They had it in the window of the local store, and I asked what it cost. Turns out, it costs even less than the Faded SG Special, AND there is a pimpin white-plush interior hardcase included!! I tried it out for half an hour and just fell in love. The sound is just pure RAWK, but it sounds good clean, too.

I just have a huge weakness for these kind of stripped-down, simple machines. You just plug it in, and rock. Simple, perfect, AWESOME!
I have it reserved for me now, since I couldn't take a Hardcase home with me on a bike, plus I'll have to sell my hideously awesome/awesomely hideous headless bass to finance it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 26 Jun 2008, 06:13
Leaving work for lunch at 9am to drive 30 miles, pick up Tiny Terror and return to work.

It is Ozone Code Orange in Metrolina today.
AND
I am wearing an Orange shirt.
AND
When I get back I am ordering an Avatar cabinet, in ORANGE tolex.

I might need to pick up some fruit today. Hmmm how about...
(http://littlemissattila.mu.nu/archives/orange.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 26 Jun 2008, 06:46
Once you have it completely assembled we will require photographic evidence.
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Post by: doombilly on 26 Jun 2008, 09:51
Fair enough. If some asshat had not stolen my work camera it'd be easier. I'll have to get Steve-o to shoot it when the cab comes in...speaking of which...

Quote
Thanks..we will ship today and you should see in about one week..THANks..dave
Thanks,
Dave
AvatarSpeakers.com
(208) 762-5251
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Jun 2008, 16:28
Holy shit, guys. (http://www.gearwire.com/normandy-guitars-snamm08.html)  Aluminum archtop guitars.  Holy shit.

Gives the phrase "Playing metal," a new meaning.  HURR
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: himynameisjulien on 26 Jun 2008, 19:10
That's not fair. My Hodad is pretty twangy when I'm coil tapping, but not when I'm using the pups as humbuckers. A Hodad does something other than replicate Telecasters. I've gotten some LP-esque sounds out of mine. Besides, twanginess is not a bad thing, especially for more upbeat things like ska.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Jun 2008, 19:12
Jeph just because you are rocking loud does not mean you are rocking hard! Any fucking Fender ever > SG > Les Paul

Stupid credit card didn't go through the first time I made the order on AllParts (Wells Fargo can suck all 30 of George Washington's goddamn dicks), so I had them cancel it and I just re-did the order altogether.

LIST:

- pack of 5 .047 capacitors
- 2 500k potentiometers
- 3-way toggle switch
- 1 set 6-in-line locking Sperzel tuners
- 1 set noiseless Vintage Telecaster pickups
- 1 giant fuckin' penis extension

The damned order was like $278 or some shit. Remind me to use a better guitar the next time I decide to get it signed by a rock and roll hero.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mars on 26 Jun 2008, 20:44
Jeph just because you are rocking loud does not mean you are rocking hard! Any fucking Fender ever < SG < Les Paul

Fixed that for you.
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Post by: Spluff on 26 Jun 2008, 21:47
The fact that it only took one post for that to be corrected makes me smile.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 27 Jun 2008, 02:24
Patrick, any Gibson SG ever ever ever > any Fender guitar, as Fender guitars lack testicles.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Jun 2008, 02:41
Truth. My friend, as I have said before, wants to get a telecaster, where as I want to get an SG. Even though I am the better guitarist, I am going to give him lead, because otherwise he would have nothing to do, as the little squeaky sounds of his telecaster would get blown the fuck away by the pure ROKK emanating from my SG. Course, he does have a better amp (100 watt Peavey, I think) than me, but that can change, soon as I get a job. And a car. And the SG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 27 Jun 2008, 11:16
Man, you are doing it so terribly wrong.

It's in fact the SG, aesthetically pretty and great for hi-gain rokk but not much more, that should be playing lead. The SG is infamously one of the least versatile guitars ever built,  though it's great at what it does.

The Telecaster has deep tone, tons of class, and is 1000 more versatile. It can play scorching rhythm, provide great harmonies, etc.

Of course this depends on your friend's skill, the feeling in his playing, and if he got a nice one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 27 Jun 2008, 11:26
Meh. As pointless as a PC v Mac thread.

In other news the War On Terror (whore on error?) has failed now that the Tiny Terror lives in my basement. Plays pretty durn loud through the Sheffields in the 5150. But they are wired for 16 ohm.

The terrorists have won.
Men, start growing your beards.
Women, start shaving your beards or get a bigger burkha.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Jun 2008, 12:14
The little squeaky sounds of his telecaster would get blown the fuck away by the pure ROKK emanating from my SG.

You and/or your friend have no idea how to work a Telecaster and the EQ settings on an amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 27 Jun 2008, 13:23
If you are really all that concerned about that, then just suggest him a telecaster with a Wide Range. Fender Humbuckers sounds quite a lot better than Gibson ones. If you have sexual inadequacy problems though,  keep using that SG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Jun 2008, 14:58
Fender humbuckers, even the standards, are pretty damn spiffy, yup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Jun 2008, 16:50
What do you guys think would happen if you took the Fender Wide Range Humbuckers out of a Custom Tele and slapped them on a Les Paul?  Would it create a super-massive black hole?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Jun 2008, 17:50
It'd create a handjob of music, I think.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 27 Jun 2008, 21:44
I dunno, but if you put them in a Jazzmaster you get a Jazzblaster
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 27 Jun 2008, 22:23
I'm trying to figure out whether or not that's a good thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 27 Jun 2008, 22:33
How about a Jizzblaster (http://www.fatdawg.com/danelectro.html)?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 28 Jun 2008, 00:08
Oh man, who was the idiot who named that one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Jun 2008, 02:14
The SG is infamously one of the least versatile guitars ever built

Fucking truth. Fenders, on the other hand, can do anything you want them to. Just because Gibson prices > Fender prices doesn't mean Gibson sound > Fender sound.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 28 Jun 2008, 02:45
SGs can do metal, rock, blues. That's about all I want out of a guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Jun 2008, 02:58
But they don't go "noodlynoodly noodly noodle noodly neeeeeeeeeeeeeee" when I want them to. All I get is "BWONGGGGGGGGG" and "CHUG CHUGGA CHUG CHUGGA CHUG" and "BWEEEEEEEE BWEE BWAAAAAAAAAAAH BWAAA BWAAA" all the time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 28 Jun 2008, 03:02
And because of that you sell it?!

I don't get it. I just don't get it. When I had mine, I got some pretty nice clean tones from it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Jun 2008, 03:07
Well, I will admit, there are a lot of clean tones I can get out of that sucker that are to die for. But I just can't be toting 7 guitars around all the time. I'm giving away my old Les Paul copy, and I'm stripping another guitar down for parts (the one my uncle built, lost interest in, and shoved off on me).

And if I sell it, I have an excuse ready for my mother, who insists I "save money for college". I'm not going to college anyway, and I've said this for three years straight, but she just doesn't get it that I'm serious.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 28 Jun 2008, 03:17
Well, you and I are quite different beasts then. I'm just like MOAR GEETARS all the time. I just got my Melody Maker yesterday, btw. It rocks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Jun 2008, 06:37
Where the fuck are you, stimulus check. It was supposedly mailed out like a week ago!

I'm starting to second guess. I've got four guitars I'm trying to decide on, now.

-Squier Classic Vibe Telecaster (the favorite)
-Squier Classic Vibe Duo-Sonic
-Dillion Les Paul Jr. clone
-Dano '63
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 28 Jun 2008, 07:22
Well, you and I are quite different beasts then. I'm just like MOAR GEETARS all the time. I just got my Melody Maker yesterday, btw. It rocks.

I took that attitude until I realised I'm going to uni in september and I can't take them all with me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 28 Jun 2008, 07:47
Get the Dano!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Jun 2008, 07:58
I went one step better and am bidding on a U2 reissue on ebay. Even if the check doesn't come, the price right now is enough where I could cover it with what's laying around in my checking account.

(http://www.atomic3.com/mop017-021.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 28 Jun 2008, 09:53
...whoa.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 28 Jun 2008, 11:32
Jesus Shane that thing is beautiful.

Also guitar thread, I am betraying the guitar gods and am getting a cello sometime within the next week. It will be amazing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Jun 2008, 12:08
Nice!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Jun 2008, 12:53
Jesus Shane that thing is beautiful.

Yeah, but it hasn't hit reserve yet. I'm at $91 right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 28 Jun 2008, 15:06
Jesus Shane that thing is beautiful.

Also guitar thread, I am betraying the guitar gods and am getting a cello sometime within the next week. It will be amazing.

Cellos are fucking greatness.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 28 Jun 2008, 15:22
So yeah, uh, I lied. I got it today. Here is a picture, which includes my foot for some reason.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/2618759407_f80f50d60d.jpg?v=0)

It's awesome in every possible way.

Also, I've discovered that a bowed bass guitar gives a fucking awesome tone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 28 Jun 2008, 18:22
FUCK YEAH SHANE
WE CAN START A BAND OF PRETTY MATCHING GUITARS
o/

edit: FUCK YEAH SEAN WE HAVE THE SAME SHOES
edit2: hey shane you're getting it from the same guy i got mine from!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 28 Jun 2008, 19:22
Got my Xotic RC Booster couple days ago.

Should have seen the faces of the sound techs during soundcheck yesterday.

T'was something along the lines of:

"Alright, let's check solo volume!!"
"*click* TWAAAAANGGG!"

I could have sworn I saw their nose hairs curl. I have found my true love, but no one wants to be around me when I'm using it at it's full potential. It's a great way to explore the headroom of the amplifier, and when you are talking about a Pro Reverb, 70W Class A tube amp, it's just madness.


Also, telecasters are fukkin rokk, and are super versatile. See Jim Campilongo vs Radiohead vs Slipknot (yeah, I know, EMG's, blahblah)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Jun 2008, 20:33
edit: FUCK YEAH SEAN WE HAVE THE SAME SHOES

I used to have a pair of Chucks like that, too, but they were too small for me and I gave them to my then-girlfriend!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mars on 28 Jun 2008, 22:10
But they don't go "noodlynoodly noodly noodle noodly neeeeeeeeeeeeeee" when I want them to. All I get is "BWONGGGGGGGGG" and "CHUG CHUGGA CHUG CHUGGA CHUG" and "BWEEEEEEEE BWEE BWAAAAAAAAAAAH BWAAA BWAAA" all the time.

Tell that to Angus Young.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Jun 2008, 22:16
What?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mars on 28 Jun 2008, 22:18
Angus Young of AC/DC. Pretty much exclusively plays an SG and regularly makes it go noodly noodly whatever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Jun 2008, 22:40
Noodly noodly?  Dude, Angus Young's SG makes tons of "BEEEWWWWWW DUN DAH BIDDLY DIDDILY BUH NUH WOOOOOO."  It's make of rokk.  This is a profound comment, coming from me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mars on 28 Jun 2008, 22:57
I'm not sure I see the distinction between your onomatopoeia and Patrick's onomatopoeia.

OMG BIG WORD!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 29 Jun 2008, 03:27
I'm not sure about you, but I'm getting one hell of a lot of versatility out of my SG. All I have is anecdotal evidence, but I'm fairly convinced that if you're getting poor versatility from an SG, you're probably utilising it incorrectly. If anything, I think the depth (or lack thereof) of the body helps achieve more of the extremities in tone, taking the guitar to levels of rokk not otherwise achieved. See: Tony Iommi. And Frank Zappa. Best SG guitarists evar.

You would probably be correct in saying that Teles are more versatile, but that doesn't make the SG lacking in versatility. And in any case, I'll take Gibson any day - I find Fender's bolt-on necks awkward and have a preference for humbuckers. Whether Gibson > Fender or Fender > Gibson is entirely irrelevant for me due to this.
 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 29 Jun 2008, 06:19
edit3: shane got outbid and it went higher than he could afford right now

 :-(

edit: I now have high bid on another Dano (a dark red '56 RI from '98). GO GO eBAY!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 29 Jun 2008, 06:34
If anything, I think the depth (or lack thereof) of the body helps achieve more of the extremities in tone, taking the guitar to levels of rokk not otherwise achieved. 
 


There might be some truth to this. My Melody Maker is probably a bit thinner than an SG, but it's hella responsive to my playing. Put short, it's awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Jun 2008, 11:37
Well, you and I are quite different beasts then. I'm just like MOAR GEETARS all the time.

Oh, no, I'm the same way, believe me. I just have a mother who nags me all the fucking time about going to college, which I never plan on doing. If I had a choice, I'd just buy the Jag and say "Fuck it" and keep the SG, because it's still pretty damn useful for some stuff. It's got this vicious growl if I turn the gain up just a little (about halfway on my Marshall) and that is perfect for face-crushing "I AM FUCKING ANGRY" minor-key stuff.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 30 Jun 2008, 07:30
"Alright, let's check solo volume!!"
"*click* TWAAAAANGGG!"

fixd

What do you guys think would happen if you took the Fender Wide Range Humbuckers out of a Custom Tele and slapped them on a Les Paul?  Would it create a super-massive black hole?

They don't even make the real WRHBs anymore... the new ones are pretty much the same as Les Paul pickups, designwise.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 30 Jun 2008, 12:25
My previous post was pretty much just trash-talking teles, the real reason he is probably going to get lead is he is better with improv than I am, where as I am much better technically than him, I think that is because when he plays, he frequently just noodles around, where as I am always practicing songs, unless I am doing some other practice my teacher told me to do. I accept that Teles are versatile, but they are also fugly, and I would rather play a guitar that sounds good and looks good rather than just sounds good.

I disagree that SGs aren't versatile, they can play Down/CoC/Crowbar, they can play Iron Maiden (I think it was Dave Murray that has an SG tuned to drop D, heavily customized, of course, but that goes for his strat as well), they can play blues, they can play Beatles (Harrison used an SG on occasion). They have separate volume and tone, so it seems like you could go from heavy crunch to a beautiful clean tone very quickly.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 30 Jun 2008, 13:26
I accept that Teles are versatile, but they are also fugly, and I would rather play a guitar that sounds good and looks good rather than just sounds good.

I will rip off your dick and make you wear it as a bow tie.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 30 Jun 2008, 14:21
No you won't.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: himynameisjulien on 30 Jun 2008, 21:13
Here's something that might as well create a black hole. Swapping the single coils on a Hodad (2 pairs of 2 wired as 'buckers) for a set of Seymour-Duncan Rails. (Humbucker + humbucker) wired as a humbucker = what would happen?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 30 Jun 2008, 21:23
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hfEMnx-Nz-w&amp;feature=related
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Jun 2008, 22:43
I disagree that SGs aren't versatile, they can play Down/CoC/Crowbar, they can play Iron Maiden (I think it was Dave Murray that has an SG tuned to drop D, heavily customized, of course, but that goes for his strat as well), they can play blues, they can play Beatles (Harrison used an SG on occasion). They have separate volume and tone, so it seems like you could go from heavy crunch to a beautiful clean tone very quickly.

That's damning praise if I ever saw it. All of the above examples are just proof that the SG is useless for anything but overdriven rock. Even the Beatles used overdrive.

Now if you were to say "The Ergs" you'd have punk on your side (the dude uses a modded version of the exact same model as my SG), but even then, the guy from WIZO used a Strat, among countless others, so punk is neutral territory. My hero Brett Mason (Nashville session player) uses a modded vintage Tele. Nels Cline from Wilco uses a Jazzmaster like Moses used his staff to part the waters, and holy fuck, can I get a Buddy Holly? You said yourself, that one dude from Maiden also used a Strat. In fact, all of the dudes from Maiden use modded Strats at various points. Hendrix? Fender whore. Buddy Guy? Fender whore. Yngwie Malmsteen? Fender whore. All those dudes from Cake? Fender whores. Stephen Malkmus? Jags, Jazzes, and Strats. Jimmy Page used a Telecaster all over the place, Eric Clapton's Strats are infamous, and oh yeah, those dudes Stevie Ray Vaugan and David Gilmour play(ed) Strats. Then there's that dude from the Strokes, the dude from the Ventures, and Dick Dale. They play Fenders. The Beach Boys? Jazzmasters and Jags as far as the eye can see.

Yeah, the SG is versatile, man, it plays like 4 whole subgenres and branches of rock!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 30 Jun 2008, 23:17
All this talk about one guitar being more versatile than the other is pretty ridiculous. You can get tons of different sounds out of almost ANY guitar if you use it right.

A large part (not the entirety, but certainly a significant chunk) of Fender's historical legacy is due to the overwhelming number of Strats and Teles they produced and their relatively low price as compared to Gibsons.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 30 Jun 2008, 23:18
Quote
Now if you were to say "The Ergs" you'd have punk on your side (the dude uses a modded version of the exact same model as my SG), but even then, the guy from WIZO used a Strat, among countless others, so punk is neutral territory. My hero Brett Mason (Nashville session player) uses a modded vintage Tele. Nels Cline from Wilco uses a Jazzmaster like Moses used his staff to part the waters, and holy fuck, can I get a Buddy Holly? You said yourself, that one dude from Maiden also used a Strat. In fact, all of the dudes from Maiden use modded Strats at various points. Hendrix? Fender whore. Buddy Guy? Fender whore. Yngwie Malmsteen? Fender whore. All those dudes from Cake? Fender whores. Stephen Malkmus? Jags, Jazzes, and Strats. Jimmy Page used a Telecaster all over the place, Eric Clapton's Strats are infamous, and oh yeah, those dudes Stevie Ray Vaugan and David Gilmour play(ed) Strats. Then there's that dude from the Strokes, the dude from the Ventures, and Dick Dale. They play Fenders. The Beach Boys? Jazzmasters and Jags as far as the eye can see.

You'll find Hendrix also used Gibson. Eric Clapton used an SG for his work with cream. Maiden use everything, ever. Of course Buddy Guy and Vaughan used strats, they play blues. Jimmy Page used a Les Paul for everything except for the first album.

Those others, in my opinion, aren't a convincing case at all for why Fender is better than Gibson.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mars on 30 Jun 2008, 23:27
Man, jeph came in and said exactly what I was going to say. And now I don't want to say it because I don't want to look like some kinda 'I agree with Jeph' fanboy.

But really, this whole discussion of Fenders and SGs and what's more versatile is pretty inane. A good guitarist will get awesome sounds out of any guitar. It's true that different types of hardware and woods will get different tones, but that doesn't necessarily make one type of guitar inherently better than the other.

Fender is to Gibson as Chevrloet is to Ford.

I prefer to stay away from Fender precisely because that's what every other guitarist on the planet plays. I like to be different.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Jun 2008, 23:59
It's not that I can't make my SG produce a sound that -fits- for any specific genre, it's just that the sounds it makes aren't what I want. So you guys can stop with this disguised version of "You're just not good enough for a Gibson". I can play a Gibson just fucking fine. But just because you are physically capable of playing "Johnny B. Goode" note for note doesn't mean you want to force the main riff into every song you write for the rest of your life.

I will concede that my dick-wagging list of examples was irrelevant (although I'd like you to note, Jeph, that none of those people who used those instruments were exactly scraping boots for pennies to buy their gear with).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Jul 2008, 00:20
Or: you guys could quit your stop your dick measuring contest (which I kind of started, heh) and concede that Gibsons and Fenders are two different kinds of guitars, popularly used in different but often overlapping genres and that comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges.

For argument's sake, Pat, practically everyone who used/popularized the Jaguar/Jazzmaster originally did so out of necessity. Jags and Jazzmasters sold poorly to their intended demographic, the jazz player. Thanks to the reduced price, they were quickly picked up and adapted for use by broke ass rock bands including but not limited to Talking Heads, Television, Dinosaur Jr., and Elvis Costello.

Quote from: J Mascis
JM: Well, Slimy Bob ripped me off--Slimy Bob's Guitar Ripoff Shop. He was just this weird guy. He had a gun and mace in his store and he'd mace his employees for fun. Just start laughing. You could tell all his stuff was stolen. He'd have these ads that were all fake, like "Strat: $400." The bait and switch thing. So i painted this house and got about $500, and I went down there. I wanted to buy a Strat. I just wanted it to write songs on; I was still playing drums at the time. And of course Slimy Bob didn't have and kind of decent Strat for under $500. But he had a jaguar for $200 and a Jazzmaster for $300. The Jazzmaster has a beat-up neck, which I liked. It had no finish on it. And it had Grover tuning pegs, which I always admired from Peter Frampton and Humble Pie records. So I spent the extra hundred and bought the Jazzmaster. And it's the one I still play--my first guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Jul 2008, 01:05
Fuck you, Eugene, apples are CLEARLY GODDAMN SUPERIOR
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Jul 2008, 06:02
For argument's sake, Pat, practically everyone who used/popularized the Jaguar/Jazzmaster originally did so out of necessity. Jags and Jazzmasters sold poorly to their intended demographic, the jazz player. Thanks to the reduced price, they were quickly picked up and adapted for use by broke ass rock bands including but not limited to Talking Heads, Television, Dinosaur Jr., and Elvis Costello.

Heh, all the jazz players bought ES-335s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 01 Jul 2008, 07:18
But just because you are physically capable of playing "Johnny B. Goode" note for note doesn't mean you want to force the main riff into every song you write for the rest of your life.

Funnily enough, Chuck Berry did just that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 01 Jul 2008, 08:48
RIC!
(http://www.prosouthpromotions.com/multimedia/photos/events/052408milestone/Milestone_102.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mars on 01 Jul 2008, 08:58
It's not that I can't make my SG produce a sound that -fits- for any specific genre, it's just that the sounds it makes aren't what I want. So you guys can stop with this disguised version of "You're just not good enough for a Gibson". I can play a Gibson just fucking fine. But just because you are physically capable of playing "Johnny B. Goode" note for note doesn't mean you want to force the main riff into every song you write for the rest of your life.

Holy inferiority complex!

I don't recall anyone ever saying that 'you're not good enough to play Gibson.' In fact, I'm reasonably sure that had someone said that I would've called that someone a fucking moron. Even if it had been Jeph and said name-calling got me banned. That's a stupid attitude to take, as Gibsons clearly don't require any more inherent skill to play than Fenders do and anyone who's seen a crappy garage band where the guitarist plays an Epi LP probably knows that already.

By your own admission, your SG can fit any genre. So what's with all this versatility crap? Why not just say 'I prefer Fender guitars' and leave it at that?

And yes, Rickenbackers are sexy beasts. I hope that, at least, is something we can all agree on.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Jul 2008, 09:03
I would probably do mean and nasty things to get my hands on a Rickenbaker.  Or, you know, just save the money for one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: the Goat on 01 Jul 2008, 10:14
Ricks are beautiful guitars, but so fucking expensive. I suppose they're a good investment, and they don't have the QC problems Gibsons have, and the tone almost makes you think its worth it. But good guitars should cost, at most $700. Any more than that and you're in weekend-rockstar/lawyer mode. I'd love a Rick bass but I'd be too afraid of it getting damaged or stolen to take it anywhere.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 01 Jul 2008, 10:32
If I could have any guitar in the world, it would be a azureglow (blue) Rickenbacker 360. They are so fucking expensive, though. I'd go for a week with no food for one of those things. It'd be so damn worth it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Jul 2008, 10:52
And then be buried with it?

Hell, I'd do it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 01 Jul 2008, 11:13
Sad thing is the one I am pictured with is not mine. It belongs to our drummer and has ridiculously light gauge strings on it. EIGHTS! The callouses on my left hand are such that I cannot even feel the strings. Were it mine, I'd have it re-setup with 10's. As it is, I only use it as a backup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Crinte on 01 Jul 2008, 13:47
I too love the Rickenbacker, but maybe for a second we could discuss things that are affordable? I think circumstances are gonna put me looking for a new guitar in the next month or so but other circumstances are gonna put me looking for a new guitar thats under $400.  The Squier Jagmaster or maybe their Thinline Tele are looking feasible right about now but opinions and suggestions are welcomed.

ALSO: Guys it's Canada day, that means it's time to get drunk and listen to Sloan.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Jul 2008, 14:59

You'll find Hendrix also used Gibson.

And Dano.

(sup, still having high bid on that red U2)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mars on 01 Jul 2008, 15:11
I too love the Rickenbacker, but maybe for a second we could discuss things that are affordable? I think circumstances are gonna put me looking for a new guitar in the next month or so but other circumstances are gonna put me looking for a new guitar thats under $400.  The Squier Jagmaster or maybe their Thinline Tele are looking feasible right about now but opinions and suggestions are welcomed.

ALSO: Guys it's Canada day, that means it's time to get drunk and listen to Sloan.

For under $400? They can be had. What are you looking for out of your guitar? Does it need to be gig-worthy? Recording-worthy?

There are gobs of student guitars available that will come in well under-budget. If you need something that can go on the road, you'll probably want something that's durable as all get out. For studio work, sound quality is the key deciding factor.

Depending on what you're looking for tone-wise, an Epiphone could work for you. I do not recommend Squiers, the QA on them is non-existent. You'd be better off with an off-brand instrument, like a Cort or something.

Try going to the store and just picking a few up. If you're not picky about the name on the headstock and don't mind doing a bit of set-up, you should have absolutely no trouble finding a great instrument for that price.

And yeah, happy Canada day. Unfortunately, the medication I'm on means I'm unable to drink. Knock one back for me, willya?

Ricks are beautiful guitars, but so fucking expensive. I suppose they're a good investment, and they don't have the QC problems Gibsons have, and the tone almost makes you think its worth it. But good guitars should cost, at most $700. Any more than that and you're in weekend-rockstar/lawyer mode. I'd love a Rick bass but I'd be too afraid of it getting damaged or stolen to take it anywhere.

I think $700 is a bit low. I would peg the upper limit of what I'm willing to spend at $1100-$1200, in around there. I never have spent that much, but for the right instrument I'd be willing to.

The thing is, a Rickenbacker is an awesome instrument, but only if you can afford it. Being able to afford it doesn't just mean buying it, it also means being able to take it out gigging and jamming and whatever without beng neurotic about it. That means being able to replace it if necessary. There aren't a lot of musicians who can claim that level of income, and there are even fewer who can claim it based on their income.

I don't buy guitars to collect. If I have an instrument it's going to get played. If it gets scratched, damaged or destroyed, so be it. But then, like everything else in this thread that's just my opinion and your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Jul 2008, 15:24
You'd be better off with an off-brand instrument, like an Eastwood

fixed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Jul 2008, 15:41
Depending on what you're looking for tone-wise, an Epiphone could work for you. I do not recommend Squiers, the QA on them is non-existent.

Clearly, you missed a good portion of the conversation over the past few pages.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 01 Jul 2008, 15:44
Not sure if I posted this. A couple summers ago I went to SF. I found a really neat guitar shoppe.
Sorry we didn't take more pictures.
Lummer's MM made me think of this.\
http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/200706SanFranGuitarShop
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 01 Jul 2008, 16:31
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/illicitizen/Rz-JP8a3UjI/AAAAAAAAAUE/E6styPh_Zoo/DSC06055.JPG?imgmax=512)

I just can't help it. My single-pickup guitar fetish knows no bounds.

I'm planning on photographic evidence tomorrow. Half my guitars are that way now, ie. three of 'em.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 01 Jul 2008, 21:16
What's that guitar on the right Lummer?

(You've probably mentioned it before but danged if I'm fishing through the thread to find out)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Jul 2008, 21:51
I believe that is a shop display and not Lummer's guitars.

Having said that, the guitar on the right is probably an old Hagstrom, Teisco, or Supro.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mars on 01 Jul 2008, 23:14
Clearly, you missed a good portion of the conversation over the past few pages.

It's possible. I am not the most attentive man ever and these are, of course, my personal opinions.

If you're referring to the Fender vs Gibson discussion, Epiphone and Squier are not the same as Fender and Gibson. It's been my experience in the past that Epiphones tend to be more consistent in terms of quality than Squiers do, which has little to do with their parent companies.

Honestly, I wouldn't get either. I've only ever owned one Epi and I regretted it. I've never owned a Squier but I've played enough Squier Strats to know that I really do not like them at all, and that the build quality is occasionally good but more often asstastic. There really are better instruments to be had.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 02 Jul 2008, 00:34
Ricks are beautiful guitars, but so fucking expensive. I suppose they're a good investment, and they don't have the QC problems Gibsons have, and the tone almost makes you think its worth it. But good guitars should cost, at most $700. Any more than that and you're in weekend-rockstar/lawyer mode. I'd love a Rick bass but I'd be too afraid of it getting damaged or stolen to take it anywhere.

Umm... I'm a lawyer, and I play most weekends.  What, lawyers can't like rocking out, too? 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 02 Jul 2008, 01:07
What's that guitar on the right Lummer?

It's bass. Weird ass pickup setup through, you'd think there wouldn't be much point having two humbuckers so close together.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Jul 2008, 05:50
Clearly, you missed a good portion of the conversation over the past few pages.

It's possible. I am not the most attentive man ever and these are, of course, my personal opinions.

If you're referring to the Fender vs Gibson discussion, Epiphone and Squier are not the same as Fender and Gibson. It's been my experience in the past that Epiphones tend to be more consistent in terms of quality than Squiers do, which has little to do with their parent companies.

Honestly, I wouldn't get either. I've only ever owned one Epi and I regretted it. I've never owned a Squier but I've played enough Squier Strats to know that I really do not like them at all, and that the build quality is occasionally good but more often asstastic. There really are better instruments to be had.

No, he's referring to the 'Squiers don't actually suck' discussion. I hate Squier Strats too, but my Squier Tele Custom is my dream guitar and I use it as a primary in a metal band, a church band, I've used it on my prog recordings and I plan on using it for anything else I ever do too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Jul 2008, 07:29
Squire have been putting out some excellent axes of late, but overall I'd have to agree with Mars.  Epiphones appear to be more consistent, construction-wise.  My dream guitar is essentially the Epiphone Dot.  Just wish I could slap a Bigsby with a floating bridge on there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: the Goat on 02 Jul 2008, 08:27
Guitar for under $400? I would recommend used, preferably off craigslist or ebay. Univox, Aria, or Yamaha made/make some good quality instruments, do a bit of research and you can find a good beater/intermediate guitar for around $200-$300. There's also SX (Rondo Music), though you might need to swap out the pups as there's tend to be pretty chintzy, but they have a very wide range of body styles and the best quality you'll find for $100. Eastwood are probably highest on the quality scale, but they're also the most expensive.




Umm... I'm a lawyer, and I play most weekends.  What, lawyers can't like rocking out, too? 

That depends on if you rock out like a lawyer: all Levi's 505, white t-shirt w/PRS in natural-tobacco stain finish and gold hardware. All hating on the kids for liking the hip-hop and drum machines.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 02 Jul 2008, 14:10

Umm... I'm a lawyer, and I play most weekends.  What, lawyers can't like rocking out, too? 

That depends on if you rock out like a lawyer: all Levi's 505, white t-shirt w/PRS in natural-tobacco stain finish and gold hardware. All hating on the kids for liking the hip-hop and drum machines.
[/quote]

I hear the kids like the Tupac these days.  At least that's what my classic rock cover band says. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 02 Jul 2008, 16:33
BLOOZ LAWYER
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Jul 2008, 17:23
I hear they can talk the devil down from their soul to a $5 hot topic gift card.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 02 Jul 2008, 17:35
Heh, Metalocalypse.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 02 Jul 2008, 21:05
I hear they can talk the devil down from their soul to a $5 hot topic gift card.

Funny story, Hot Topic is the direct result of a failed bet between lawyers and the devil at one of those boozy conventions you're always hearing about.  We bet total control over our souls that we could make Slipknot marketable, and there you have it.  You can imagine the amount of booze and ammoral people it takes ot pull a thing like that off.   
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 Jul 2008, 22:23
Haha, this man is doing it right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 03 Jul 2008, 10:12
BIG. ORANGE. TOLEX. COVERED. CABINET. IN. MY. CUBICLE!!!!!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Jul 2008, 14:53
Dano update:

Blackburst U2: outbid
Red U2: outbid
Powder blue U2: YOU FUCKERS STAY AWAY FROM IT, S'MINE.

If I get outbid on that, I'm going to save up for a few weeks and get a Eastwood. Either the Hi-Flyer or the P-90 Special.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 03 Jul 2008, 17:41
alternate option: bid more money you dumb fuck
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 03 Jul 2008, 20:41
Fuckin' A.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 03 Jul 2008, 20:51
Ok guys, I finally took pictures of my guitars.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/partyongarth/guitars/DSC00237.jpg)

From right to left, it starts with a Gibson Les Paul Jr. Nashville Deluxe doublecut. This was a rare custom jobbie; they only made a limited run of 400. One P90 pickup, this thing screams. Next up, the Hamer Flametop. This was my first guitar, I bought it used. The thing sustains for days and it sounds beautiful. I never get to play her as much as I'd like, as my other guitars sound a little nicer. The last is my newest guitar, a Fender Telecaster with a B-Bender installed. I bought it used and it's beat to shit; It's an early 90s Fender. It sounds amazing - the neck pickup is so clean and country sounding, it's amazing.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/partyongarth/guitars/DSC00238.jpg)

Here's the acoustics... They're all Alvarez, and it's a 12-string, an acoustic-electric bass, and a regular old AD-60S six string. They're all fantastic. If I'm just sitting around, I'm almost always fiddling with these. What can I say, I've got a problem sitting still.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/partyongarth/guitars/DSC00239.jpg)

Finally, the weird. The Danelectro is a reissue of the Dano Pro. It sounds great when you're fingerpicking. The pickups really capture everything nicely... but there's a slight ground problem. It seems to buzz all the time, so I've been trying to fix the problem. The banjo is a Dean - I don't think I need to talk much more about that. It's not the nicest banjo but it gets the job done. Although, every time I pick up a Goodtime banjo I think about trading this one in. Anyway, the last guitar is the DiPinto Galaxie 4. This is a true thing of beauty. It's the nicest guitar I've ever played, and it does everything well. I almost always play this guitar at shows, and I can't think of any guitar that sounds nicer, or is capable of more tone than this creamdream.

Not pictured - Fender P-Bass, Squire '51 Telecaster. I don't really need to explain what a P-Bass does, and the Squier, well that's sort of a science project - I'm swapping pickups and I put a Tiesco neck on it. They're both currently at our practice space.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Jul 2008, 21:16
Cross posted from the Guitar Pedal Thread cause nobody fuckin' reads that anymore.

So I got a Stereo Memory Man w/ Hazarai.

It cost me an arm and a leg.

I'm starting a Mogwai/The Album Leaf type band with a friend and we had our first jam today, and this thing is fucking spectacular. Totally worth it.

Patrick I win now.

Pics incoming when I don't leave it at the practice space.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 03 Jul 2008, 22:46
So. String width. Is there a certain width needed for a given amount tuned down? I am using 9s right now, since that is what I was given for my birthday last year (I don't change them near as often as I should), but I will probably be learning a lot of songs down to C soon, so I am wondering if I will need new strings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Jul 2008, 22:51
As thick as you can comfortably play is usually best.

Drop C is Jeph's specialty but from what I've learned from his posts, get yourself some 11s or, if you can manage, 12s.

Shit man, you shouldn't be using 9s for anything. They're shitty and lack any tone. 10s are your standard strings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 03 Jul 2008, 23:02
They were what was recommended for a beginner, I guess. I have some 12s, but those are for the acoustic, and I know that those are too thick to play with any speed. I guess I will start with 11s, if those are needed, otherwise I would work my way up.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Jul 2008, 23:12
That's sort of bad advice. On one hand they are easier to fret, on the other hand it's better to start with 10s and build your callouses and finger strength up faster.

Also because of this advice now that you're ready to play in different tunings your fingers aren't strong enough for the proper gauge.

Thick strings are necessary for drop C because most pick-ups will do a shitty job picking up lighter strings when you detune.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 03 Jul 2008, 23:19
I play with 11s all the time, and don't have any problems. Just get them, they're only $10 so if you don't like them, you can change them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 04 Jul 2008, 05:05
So. String width. Is there a certain width needed for a given amount tuned down? I am using 9s right now, since that is what I was given for my birthday last year (I don't change them near as often as I should)

'Should' is relative. This isn't like clarinets where the reed just stops working. Strings can carry on for as long as you want them to, unless they snap. Personally, I don't change my strings (or at least, not all at once) unless I break one or have a gig coming up. There's just no need unless you're gigging regularly, and it gets stupidly expensive. If you gig every week, you 'should' probably change your strings every time. If you gig once a year, you're probably already changing them monthly if that.

Quote
but I will probably be learning a lot of songs down to C soon, so I am wondering if I will need new strings.

You most definitely will.

And again, all the people saying 'roflcopter 9s', this is about what the user wants to use, and there's nothing wrong with 9s. Saying 'they sound like shit' is a crock, because for one thing that's opinion anyway, but the layman gig-goer isn't about to pick out the 9s and 10s from a line-up. If you're playing for an audiophile guitarist, then play with the thickest damn strings you can find. If you're playing for yourself, or for the non-musician fans, then just use the guages you want to fucking use like I do. And who knows, if you're lucky that'll be the same thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 04 Jul 2008, 05:25
I change my strings maybe a couple times a year, I don't tend to think about it, I tune my guitar before a lesson, otherwise I just start playing unless I have to change tunings.

I suppose that lower tunings and heavier strings will cancel each other out somewhat, didn't Iommi like playing in lower tunings because there was less pressure on his two bad fingers at lower tensions?

I'm not likely to change any time soon, I might switch to 10s or 11s when I get my SG, but as is, I have enough strings, and I am cheap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Jul 2008, 11:13
DK, I'm not shitting on 9s out of elitism. I used them for a while, and they were nice and easy to play. Until I played a friend's guitar with 10s and realized that a) I was losing half my tone going down barely a gauge and b) I was a significantly better guitarist than I thought, and the weak tone was bringing my playing way down. They just don't. sound. good.

11s and 12s are pretty unnecessary unless you simply like the way they feel or are playing in low tunings. But if you're gonna play any electric guitar, try adjusting to 10s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Jul 2008, 12:34
alternate option: bid more money you dumb fuck

Don't have much money on me right now, 'Milio. Kinda spent most of it on Sigur Ros tickets. I'm bidding what I can afford.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 04 Jul 2008, 13:16
They just don't. sound. good.

If you can find me a bunch of non-musicians who can hear the same piece of music, played with two different guages but in exactly the same way, and tell the difference, then I'll freely admit that you're right. But I maintain that to anyone other than a guitar player or at least someone with some kind of musical knowledge, there's no f'ing difference. I'm not saying that I can't tell, obviously I can tell, and I do use .10s on my standard tuning guitars and 11s on my lower tuned guitars. But aside from us, no motherfucker's gonna know.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: yellowledbetter on 04 Jul 2008, 14:23
Check out what I just picked up for $550 (Canadian):

http://www.kellyindustries.com/guitars/fender_telecaster_69_thinline.html
^^It's that exact colour.^^


Anyways, I picked it up used at the new Long & McQuade in downtown Vancouver (which is a very nice store). The guy had traded it in the same day that I bought it. It was made in Mexico in 2005. It's in pretty good condition and I love playing it.

Something tells me I won't be touching my SG for a couple weeks.  :-P
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 04 Jul 2008, 15:06
Alright people. Time for a roundup:


Gibson Joan Jett Melody Maker, my latest acquisition.
It still has the stock 10-46 strings on it, since I've only had it a week now. Sometime soon, I'm slappin' on a set of 10-52.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0108.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0109.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0110.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0111.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0112.jpg)


Up next, is my Greco Les Paul Custom. It's basically a japanese Lawsuit-era copy, which sounds and plays amazing. Currently set up with a set of 13-60 GHS Boomers, in Drop Bb
for learning some Baroness riffs.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0115.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0116.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0117.jpg)


Then, there is my Gibson. An LP Standard, with Seymour Duncan Alnico II's, which I am not entirely happy with. I expect to slam in some DiMarzio's sometime soon.
The strings on it, are Thomastik-Infeld Powerbright gauged 11-53, tuned to Eb Standard. These strings are hands down the best strings I have ever played. The sustain, treble "bite" and output on these things is unparalleled, and I've tried damn near everything.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0113.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0114.jpg)


Here's an old warhorse; My Ibanez S7420, which has been heavily modded over the years. The paint has been stripped, and pretty much all hardware save for the bridge pickup and the pots.
It's strung up with a set of 10-52's with a .65 bass string as the low B.
This guitar brings the chug in severe amounts.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0120.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0122.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0124.jpg)

Best neck ever, seriously.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0121.jpg)

This pickup, is a DiMarzio X2N-7. This pickup does not fuck around..


Up next is my LTD Viper 407. I really like this guitar, a lot! Playability is great, sound too, and the whole thing just feels solid and well built.
I just, CAN'T get used to EMG's though. It had an EMG 81-7 in the bridge, and it sounded like ASS.
So I took it out, and moved the EMG 707 neck pickup down into the brigde position. It sounds a lot better now, but I'll have to put in a Passive pickup at some point. Actives just don't do it for me.
It is strung up the same way as my other seven-string.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0125.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0126.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0119.jpg)
YOU SUCK EMG 81-7!!!!

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0118.jpg)
FUUUUUCK YOOOOOOUUUU

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0127.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0128.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0129.jpg)


SHRED SHRED SHRED SHRED

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0130.jpg)

SHREEEEEED

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0131.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0133.jpg)

This is my main Bass to fool around on:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0139.jpg)

Pedals:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0134.jpg)

My Mascot:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0141.jpg)

And this is just plain hideous:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0138.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: diablo_man on 04 Jul 2008, 22:08
fuck dude. seriously, i want!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Jul 2008, 22:27
What happened to the red ESP semi-hollow?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Jul 2008, 08:21
What happened to the red ESP semi-hollow?

I traded it for the Viper.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 05 Jul 2008, 12:22
Well, if bombing the thread with images is your game, here is what I own!

First, my crappy Encore!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/Encore01.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/Encore02.jpg)
I got this from a Cash Generator for sixty quid. It's a piece of shit but I keep hold of it because most of my early songs were written on it and it was more or less my go-to guitar in a couple of years ago. I also think it's a good experience playing it, because it's so shit that even playing barre chords on it is a struggle, and so playing it like that occasionally makes it good for my hand strength. I also put stickers from the front of albums I buy on it now, for some reason. Off the top I my head, I remember it has NIN, Cooper Temple Clause, Ryan Adams and I think an Eminem one on there somewhere. It's kind of a statement of abuse really, because I hate guitars covered in stickers.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/GreyBeast01.jpg)
The Grey Beast. Traded my Tele standard to a mate for this and £25. It's great for metal and not much else, but it damn well does that job. Good guitar, I like its non-PRS look too. Although I call it the Grey Beast because I couldn't possibly tell you what brand it is without looking, let alone the model.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/Fendcoustic03.jpg)
My Fender electro-acoustic. The guitar I use to write with now, if I had to pick one guitar to keep and get rid of the others, it'd be this one. Also has a pretty badass distorted tone.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/Hofner01.jpg)
My Hofner. This has been in my family for like, forty years, it's a beautiful, beautiful guitar. It's got the most insane distorted tone, I use it in my metal band. You can't tune it though, the intonation is fucked. However, put it in an open or alternate tuning and you're sorted.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/Yammy04.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/Yammy05.jpg)
My Yammy! First electric guitar I owned, because no way was I buying a Strat. I thought until recently it was a piece of shit, and in truth it doesn't play very well. But it's actually a pretty good guitar with a very powerful bridge pickup that works great for metal. It's somewhat falling to bits though - the neck pickup's screws came out and so I just gaffer taped it in place. This actually had an interesting effect on the tone, and now it works great for hardcore punk, Black Flag in particular. I also really like the way it looks like that.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/TeleC05.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/TeleC06.jpg)
My pride and joy. This guitar can do fucking anything. It was my dream guitar, I don't think I've had it for more than a year and a half at this point. Clean tones and dirty tones are great on both pickups, I can use it for any type of music I want to try and it does it effortlessly. It's also a dream to play and as far as aesthetics is my favourite guitar to look at. I've put one sticker on it - from the little-remembered metal band Fony, who I fucking love and miss a lot - because I'm a believer in, if you're having stickers, having one tasteful sticker, so I've got this one on it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/Lapsteel03.jpg)
My lap steel. I distort it and use it for my metal band. I love this fucking thing, but I need to learn how to play it better.

Also, they aren't guitars, but...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/Mondomando01.jpg)
My mandolin! This I can play better, I just gotta write the chords down usually so I remember where I am. I can't play Losing My Religion, because i forget how, but gimme a couple of minutes and I pretty much remember. I love this fucking thing and once I start home-recording I'm going to be using it, and the lap steel, a lot.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/Organ01.jpg)
The greatest impulse buy in history. £99 for this bad boy and I've got hours and hours and hours of use out of it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: karas7 on 05 Jul 2008, 16:45
I guess I can post my guitars here.
(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4457/p6270109xs9.jpg)
My very lovely Washburn WD-55.
Got it used with case for $400 bucks. Quite a steal.
The thing plays and sounds better than my sister's $1300 Martin.
I love it. ^_^
My electric is in the shop right now, but I'll upload some pics when I get back.
Actually, while I'm posting right now, I'll ask a question.
Right now, I have a crappy 10W Marshall practice amp and I'm looking to get a better, louder amp.
I have a budget of $800-$900, and I'd like to get a tube amp.
I was looking at the http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Hot-Rod-DeVille-410?sku=480508 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Hot-Rod-DeVille-410?sku=480508)
Fender Hot Rod DeVille 410 ($850), but I remember reading in this thread it's not good for metal.
However, could one not buy a good distortion pedal to get a metal tone?
Thanks in advance for the help. ^_^
EDIT: Smaller picture, per request. Sorry.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 05 Jul 2008, 16:57
Jesus christ dude, try getting a smaller picture. Holy hell...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeek on 05 Jul 2008, 23:04
hi, guys. I registered to show off my guitar. I think it's a pretty nice guitar to have.

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/gkblake/guitar.jpg)

I also just noticed that my smokey is made out of a pack of Winstons (we don't even have them here) and therefore right above the speaker it says "Naturally smooth". This isn't really a concept I would normally apply to playing an SG through a Smokey, but it made me giggle.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 06 Jul 2008, 00:14
SG 4 EVAR.

Not even joking, my absolute favourite guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 06 Jul 2008, 01:38
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/Hofner01.jpg)
My Hofner. This has been in my family for like, forty years, it's a beautiful, beautiful guitar. It's got the most insane distorted tone, I use it in my metal band. You can't tune it though, the intonation is fucked. However, put it in an open or alternate tuning and you're sorted.

Can't you set the intonation by moving the bridge around?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 06 Jul 2008, 19:42
Also if the intonation is off, wouldn't any tuning sound off?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 06 Jul 2008, 19:58
I was looking at the http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Hot-Rod-DeVille-410?sku=480508 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Hot-Rod-DeVille-410?sku=480508)
Fender Hot Rod DeVille 410 ($850), but I remember reading in this thread it's not good for metal.
However, could one not buy a good distortion pedal to get a metal tone?
Thanks in advance for the help. ^_^
EDIT: Smaller picture, per request. Sorry.

I've got that exact amp, the DeVille.  I haven't tried playing metal through it, but it gets some crazy tones if you play around with it.  It's smaller brethren, the Deluxe 212 has a somewhat darker tone and it's cheaper.  There's also the Orange Tiny Terror.  Grab a nice cabinet and shred away.  One of the dudes from Opeth plays a Laney, I believe.  You could look into one of their combos, but I think they're kind of pricey.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 06 Jul 2008, 20:50
You can't get a metal tone from a DeVille, sorry. The Tiny Terror can almost get there, you'll be able to play 80s and 70s type metal, but nothing heavier.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 06 Jul 2008, 20:56
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MpZoWsFlJQ

I mean I guess if you're into Gorgoroth then Orange is not for you but otherwise you're solid.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 06 Jul 2008, 21:02
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. That's pretty much all softer metal, and it's pretty much pushed to it's limit. Pretty excellent tone on the Metallica and Megadeth though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 06 Jul 2008, 21:18
Man what happened to the days when Led Zeppelin was the heaviest thing out there and parents thought their kids were Satan worshippers for listening to them?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 06 Jul 2008, 21:21
I dunno man, I think 40 years passed, that might have had something to do with it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 06 Jul 2008, 21:34
Also if the intonation is off, wouldn't any tuning sound off?

Not necessarily- different pitches (string tension) and different intonation (string length) work together to make notes sound in tune. It's the same reason why you have to re-intonate if you make drastic string gauge or tuning changes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 06 Jul 2008, 21:43
I dunno man, I think 40 years passed, that might have had something to do with it.

I'm not trying to ignore four decades of cultural evolution, just.. why have new terms not been invented along with new ideas? Metal used to be, basically, blues rock with heavy distortion, extended solos, and pointier guitars. Now it's an entirely different, broad genre of music and the bands I just described are demoted to "classic rock" status.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: himynameisjulien on 07 Jul 2008, 00:26
Not to derail the trend of posting pics of your own guitar, but I didn't think this justified a whole thread.
What do you think of Johhny A's signature Gibson? I personally think it's the sickest guitar around.
http://www.gibsoncustom.com/inspiredby/JohnnyAStandard.html
Possibly beaten by an American Telecaster, but I have a soft spot for the twang, and this guitar looks incredible next to a Telecaster. Not that a Tele is ugly, this guitar is just beautiful.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: karas7 on 07 Jul 2008, 05:05
You can't get a metal tone from a DeVille, sorry. The Tiny Terror can almost get there, you'll be able to play 80s and 70s type metal, but nothing heavier.
So what are some good amps in my price range ($800-$900) that can get a good range of tones and are decently loud?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeek on 07 Jul 2008, 05:27
SG 4 EVAR.

Not even joking, my absolute favourite guitar.

I wasn't terribly aware of the SG until I went looking for a new guitar (I knew of them, but I was never much of a guitar nerd and they weren't in my list of Totally Cool Stuff) but after seeing, holding and playing one of these babies, I fell in love.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 07 Jul 2008, 05:30
My guitars:
(http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7483/img3768kb4.th.jpg) (http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3768kb4.jpg)

An Ibanez Gio on the left, it's actually pretty good. It has a really nice hard-rock tone. My US Strat on the left, from 1996 I think, I got it second hand last year for £500, and it's awesome. Some crappy bass in the background my dad bought from eBay.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Jul 2008, 05:53
Also if the intonation is off, wouldn't any tuning sound off?

Not necessarily- different pitches (string tension) and different intonation (string length) work together to make notes sound in tune. It's the same reason why you have to re-intonate if you make drastic string gauge or tuning changes.

This must be what's going on then, because alternate tunings work. And of course, if I play with a slide, then you can compensate a bit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 07 Jul 2008, 08:06
I'm not trying to ignore four decades of cultural evolution, just.. why have new terms not been invented along with new ideas? Metal used to be, basically, blues rock with heavy distortion, extended solos, and pointier guitars. Now it's an entirely different, broad genre of music and the bands I just described are demoted to "classic rock" status.

Probably because musicians realised that sticking too close to the bluesy roots was holding the genre back, and so expanded it to contain new influences and take new thematic directions.

Heavy metal is famous among those who know anything about it for its constant progression. It aims to be confronting or "freaky" in some way (to paraphrase Tony Iommi), and the more the better as long as it's got a point. I'm all for heavy blues rock with lotsa distortion and wickedly long solos, but there comes a point where the extreme elements became warranted.
Plus, there's no heavy metal without relevant expository. If heavy metal didn't progress it'd still be all about women rather than all about anything whatsoever.

So, basically I'm happy that metal has become such a broad genre, as it doesn't halt the production of traditional metal but allows the genre to stretch its claws and dodge the silver bullet. The only real shame in metal history is hair metal, which is what happens when progression stagnates, or even reverses. Remember that by the time hair metal reached it's peak (about '86, IIRC), extreme metal was well and truly alive as well and had been growing steadily since '80.

tl;dr: Metal is better than ever, in my opinion. If you want heavy blues rock with extended solos, well, listen to heavy blues rock live recordings?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: aScaryDog on 08 Jul 2008, 11:46
I rock with a Gibson SG, 1997 Model, black on black.  I also play classical guitar with a Concert Model Enriquez Model C, it's really sweet for filling a medium concert hall without amplification.  Then I also have a Takamine classical/electric as a beater.  I'd post pics but I'm not too web savvy. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 08 Jul 2008, 16:52
My guitars:
(http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7483/img3768kb4.th.jpg) (http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3768kb4.jpg)

An Ibanez Gio on the left, it's actually pretty good. It has a really nice hard-rock tone. My US Strat on the left, from 1996 I think, I got it second hand last year for £500, and it's awesome. Some crappy bass in the background my dad bought from eBay.

not trying to be a dick about the Gio, but my cousin has one, and when i stayed with them i had to play it, absolutely hated it, it may have been because i way playing through an MG, but i have to use my little MG with my talman and it sounds at least decent. however, your strat looks awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Jul 2008, 03:33
Shit man, you shouldn't be using 9s for anything. They're shitty and lack any tone.

You just hurt Jimi's feelings. His estate demands an apology.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 09 Jul 2008, 03:37
My guitars:
(http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7483/img3768kb4.th.jpg) (http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3768kb4.jpg)

An Ibanez Gio on the left, it's actually pretty good. It has a really nice hard-rock tone. My US Strat on the left, from 1996 I think, I got it second hand last year for £500, and it's awesome. Some crappy bass in the background my dad bought from eBay.

not trying to be a dick about the Gio, but my cousin has one, and when i stayed with them i had to play it, absolutely hated it, it may have been because i way playing through an MG, but i have to use my little MG with my talman and it sounds at least decent. however, your strat looks awesome.

I play it through an old Park practice amp which makes it sound a lot better. It is pretty crap compared to the strat though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Jul 2008, 05:43
Shit man, you shouldn't be using 9s for anything. They're shitty and lack any tone.

You just hurt Jimi's feelings. His estate demands an apology.

But...It's the truth, Patrick.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 09 Jul 2008, 13:36
I've basically been a snob about guitars ever since i got my 94' talman. Which happens to be an ibanez. I'm just not so much one for the Gio's or Ibanez in general. I'm mostly a Fender guy. oh, and the price on that thing? how did you get a fender strat for 500 quid?!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Jul 2008, 01:39
Acoustic derail!

I've been playing my boss/family friend/landlady's old Yamaha acoustic, which I've just restrung with Ernie Ball Acoustic Slinky strings (12 to 54). It is pretty goddamn nice. Absurdly bright, especially compared to my I-just-smoked-like-50-goddamn-blunts mellow Kay. It's probably the strings that's making the thing sound so bright, but I ain't complaining. I like the sound, and the playability is golden. Intonation's not perfect, but it's close enough for even my perfect-pitched self.

And my Strat-gone-Tele parts should be arriving within the week! I will take photos when I've finally got all of that shit installed, and I'll actually post them (as well as my playing-a-Ric photos from May) when my computer arrives around the same time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 13 Jul 2008, 16:45
[img width= height=]http://lh6.ggpht.com/illicitizen/SHqSQXvOsNI/AAAAAAAACA8/KcDVDJ40eEY/s400/IMG_0143.JPG[/img] (http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/EricSOrangeRig/photo#5222647527837184210)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 13 Jul 2008, 18:46
[img width= height=]http://lh6.ggpht.com/illicitizen/SHqSQXvOsNI/AAAAAAAACA8/KcDVDJ40eEY/s400/IMG_0143.JPG[/img] (http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/EricSOrangeRig/photo#5222647527837184210)

My hatred toward you is immense. I played a TT yesterday and my god i nearly stole the fucking thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jul 2008, 19:14
AAAGGGH JEALOUSY
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 13 Jul 2008, 19:25
oh, and lol at the gig bag for the TT. When the guy at the music shop showed me it i laughed hysterically for reasons unkown.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Jul 2008, 23:45
What's funny about it? It's actually really convenient.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Jul 2008, 00:15
For the same reason people laugh when they see your penis, Gene. Tiny things are comic gold.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Darkstrike on 14 Jul 2008, 04:02
Here's my lot!
Venson 8 string
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/Germany020.jpg)
FrankenBass
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/Germany023.jpg)
Les Paul knockoff
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/Photo-0031.jpg)
Squier Delux Active V
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/SquierV2.jpg)
SX P-Bass
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/DSC00095.jpg)
Cort GB-74
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/GB-74close.jpg)
Traben Fretless Tribal Sun
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/Photo-0013.jpg)
Cort Artisan C4H
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/CortArtisan007.jpg)
Traben Kore
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/DSC00092.jpg)
Squier VM Fretless
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/squier006.jpg)
Mandolin(No Brand)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/S5030324.jpg)
An old acoustc I found and refindhed myself
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/009.jpg)
Richwood Acoustic Bass Guitar
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/acbass.jpg)
Tanglewood Rebel 4K
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/S5030242.jpg)
Cort EVL Z4B
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z279/darkstrikeofbass/S5030243.jpg)

Edit: I also have a Tenor Banjo, but no pic. And DynamiteKid, The Grey Beast is a Cort, but I couldn't tell you which model.
Edit again!: I forgot, I have a Lap Steel too. :roll:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 14 Jul 2008, 04:47
nice frankenbass! how's the trem?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Darkstrike on 14 Jul 2008, 04:59
nice frankenbass! how's the trem?
Thank's! Its a lot better than I expected(after reading up) a trem to be on bass, holds tune perfectly and loads of sustain.
Depending on the strings, you don't get much pull-back, that one I only get a little, my other has extremly low tension strings, and has as much pull as a guitar.
They aren't as useful as one on a guitar is, but I can find more than enough to warrant having it there.

Looks cool too! :lol:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 14 Jul 2008, 06:53
What's funny about it? It's actually really convenient.
It is totally useful. Cranked the Orange for a 6 hour practice yesterday. Just kept chugging. 3 Bands used it for friday night's show. Did really well. Everybody loved it. The Avatar cabinet is really good sounding as well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Jul 2008, 10:37
[img width= height=]http://lh6.ggpht.com/illicitizen/SHqSQXvOsNI/AAAAAAAACA8/KcDVDJ40eEY/s400/IMG_0143.JPG[/img] (http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/EricSOrangeRig/photo#5222647527837184210)

I still can't get over how gosh-darned CUTE that little thing is!

Oh, and DarkStrike; How are those Traben basses? They're hella cheap, so I've considered getting my first fretless off them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Darkstrike on 14 Jul 2008, 10:58
I utterly love mine, my fretted is my no.1 choice for almost all situations.
You might want to try one first though, a lot of people seem to hate them in the bass community.
I think its mostly the appearance though, I mean, for the price you get a lot, Grover tuners, brass nut and bridge, usually flamed or quilted top, a decent active eq and string through body, or toploading options. As for toploading, its a quickloader.

The fretless, when I got it, the edge of the fretboard was a little too sharp, so I had to roll it, not a big deal, 15 mins with some disposable nail files, sandpaper would have been better, but I was in a rush. Lol, I hate waiting around for anything!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Jul 2008, 11:03
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind! :)

I saw the guy that plays in Job For A Cryptopsy had one, so I guess they must be alright. They cost around the price of a decent squier, here in Denmark.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Darkstrike on 14 Jul 2008, 11:06
Oh, I believe they will beat a Squier into the dirt! :-D And I love Squier's, just for the record!

I actually got my fretted in Ireland, never seen one since, didn't know they were easy to get in Europe.
My fretless was imported from the US. Still cheaper than most local stuff.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: turtlspinr on 14 Jul 2008, 23:01
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/4/3/550343.jpg)
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/5/4/547354.jpg)

This is what i'm picking up tomorrow. I'm still not completely sure I'm going to drop the $$$ for it, but I'm really really really considering it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Jul 2008, 01:28
Freakin' pimptastic axe. I want one!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Darkstrike on 15 Jul 2008, 02:50
That is one sweet ass lookin' SG!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Jul 2008, 08:56
Gold hardware = ew.  Other than that, sweet.  Which model of SG is it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: turtlspinr on 15 Jul 2008, 09:38
it's called the SG Diablo, it's a limited run, part of the "Guitar Of The Month" thing that Gibson does.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Catacombs on 15 Jul 2008, 11:45
Gold hardware = ew.  Other than that, sweet.  Which model of SG is it?

Any other time, I'd completely agree with you on the gold=ew thing.  But on this model, it actually looks kind of good.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Jul 2008, 11:46
Yeah, I kept looking after I posted and it fits with the theme, I suppose.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Shihonage on 15 Jul 2008, 21:02
[img width= height=]http://lh6.ggpht.com/illicitizen/SHqSQXvOsNI/AAAAAAAACA8/KcDVDJ40eEY/s400/IMG_0143.JPG[/img] (http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/EricSOrangeRig/photo#5222647527837184210)

How does the Parker play? Always been curious about them. Favourite band used to use them, but switched to ESPs after a reliability issue (?). Still, love the shape, and they're meant to be pretty lightweight.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Jul 2008, 21:41
My friend has a Parker P-42 which I've played, and they play fine enough, but I think they sound like ass.  Swap the pickups out and you might have a pretty swell sounding guitar.  Don't take my word for it, though.  I've only used it a few times.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 16 Jul 2008, 04:08
This computer's shitty RAM, bandwidth and I will cockpunch the next motherfucker who quotes a photo. Until then, I have hot rod news!

I would just like for you all to know that Seymour Duncan have a bloody wealth of information regarding wiring guitars with various pickup, tone + volume, and switching configurations. I now know exactly how I'm going to wire this Bo Diddley Strat of mine, and no thanks to those pricks at Fender. Tomorrow it's off to the hardware store again to find insulated wire in both black and yellow, and after work I'll set to work on soldering all of that shit (gonna be a bit time-consuming since there's 12 places I have to solder, ugh).

I found out the hard way that the bridge pickup of a Telecaster is significantly larger than that of a Strat, and that the lipstick neck pickup is a bit loose, but it can still be worked around without doing any chopping. I had been told the opposite and was much disappointed when I had to file off 1/16" of pickguard in each direction to get the pickup hole to be the right size. Fortunately I don't have to cut into wood at all, but I was at a standstill for a good while.

Another pain in the ass (which, fortunately, I was expecting) came with the mounting screw configuration. I had to make 3 holes that would correspond with the mounting screwholes on the bridge pickup. At first I tried to do it with a 1/16" drill bit but it was too small. I wound up at the hardware store this morning to find the right size (which happens to be 3/32", for anybody who may want to mount a Tele bridge pickup on their guitar), and it worked perfectly, so I wound up being late to work because I really wanted to mount that fucking pickup.

tl;dr hot-rodding guitars is the Funnest Thing
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 16 Jul 2008, 09:10
(http://cockpunch)

How does the Parker play? Always been curious about them. Favourite band used to use them, but switched to ESPs after a reliability issue (?). Still, love the shape, and they're meant to be pretty lightweight.
There is a big difference in the P series and the Flys. Or even the Nitefly's like mine shown above. Mine has custom wound DiMarzios / Fishman piezo. But a lot of folks do swap the pups out. I can see the reliability issue because the crystal for my high E string piezo has fizzled out. This may be because I moronically unscrewed the bridge when I was trying to adjust something else.

The Flys have a patented set neck. They are extremely ergonomic. But the 'Nitefly M' I play is bolt on and has everything I need. I said I wouldn't buy another after the 1 piezo quit on me. But I think I would if I could get a deal on a second hand one.
It really has made me a much better guitar player. I think they went through some real pains when US Music took over the company but they seem pretty solid now. It has been an adjustment for me though. I am used to a guitar built like a dumptruck. I am a lefty that play righty. So I usually want ginormously high action and big arsed strings. Playing the 09-42's has been an adjustment. But I think I prefer these now. Also the Nitefly has bigger/higher frets than the Flys do. So that's good for me.

Some things I am totally a fan of on this guitar.
Fretboard. - Like Playing on a diamond.
Stainless Steel Frets. - Fuck nickel.
One Piece body. Cuz it looks purty.

Cons:
I play like a monkey, so I've chaffed the front of it where a pickguard should be.
Wish that high E piezo worked. But it is a $27 part...

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 19 Jul 2008, 08:28
yesterday, I tuned my Viper up to Drop C.

It's actually quite cool to have an extra high G. More on this later.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Jul 2008, 09:06
Oh sweet Jesus. Yesterday I was restringing my mandolin and, well, there was an accident and long story short, I was left with a mandolin string stuck through my thumb and sticking out the other end by about six inches. It only pierced like, the top level of skin, so there was no blood. Dear God it was horrifying to look at though. In the end I just kinda cut it off at one end and pulled it out so I didn't have to wind it through all six inches. Jesus, it was hideous. But it pierced such a small amount of skin that I can't even find the mark.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Jul 2008, 09:12
Last night I ordered one of those Squier Teles with the dual humbuckers that everyone on here seems to have.

I cannot wait! *dances*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 19 Jul 2008, 09:33
Oh sweet Jesus. Yesterday I was restringing my mandolin and, well, there was an accident and long story short, I was left with a mandolin string stuck through my thumb and sticking out the other end by about six inches. It only pierced like, the top level of skin, so there was no blood. Dear God it was horrifying to look at though. In the end I just kinda cut it off at one end and pulled it out so I didn't have to wind it through all six inches. Jesus, it was hideous. But it pierced such a small amount of skin that I can't even find the mark.

I once stuck the end of a guitar string through the web of my hand between my thumb and index.  Didn't hurt at all and came out easily, but creepy to look at.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Catacombs on 19 Jul 2008, 09:40
One time i restrung my strat and it ended in a B string sticking through the tip of my ring finger.   :|
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 19 Jul 2008, 09:51
Guitar strings!  Them sharp motherfuckers!  I stabbed my thumb with an A string once, I think.  I've also cut my hand open on the sharp bits sticking out at the tuning pegs numerous times when putting my guitar down or picking it up.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 19 Jul 2008, 10:10
Is it just me that's lucky, or you guys that have some kind of voodoo curse on you?!

I've never in my five years of guitaring hurt myself on a string :o
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Catacombs on 19 Jul 2008, 10:14
I've also cut my hand open on the sharp bits sticking out at the tuning pegs numerous times when putting my guitar down or picking it up.

I don't think i've ever actually cut my hand open, but i know i've pricked my palm/finger tips numerous times on those little bastards.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Jul 2008, 14:16
Well Lummer, for one thing I've been guitaring for 12 years, so give it time, eh?

I also was string it once and a string snapped and like, whipped me across the chest. It was really painful - unlike the thumb thing, which was just weird to look at - and I still don't know exactly how the physics of it worked.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: GenericName on 19 Jul 2008, 14:41
Even though I have never contributed to this thread before, I am now going to chime in by saying that when I got an Ibanez secondhand, the previous owner was shit in several ways and so he left a short amount of a previous D string sticking out when restringing it and so before I restrung it myself, I was cutting my upper arm every time it passed over the bridge of the guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 19 Jul 2008, 19:40
Y'know what's surprising? Breaking a string on an upright bass. I hardly ever break guitar strings, but when I played upright in high school I broke two or three. The wind holds, so it doesn't go flying, it just goes slack, but it makes a loud noise that the bass amplifies, and, y'know...that's surprising. OK, this story didn't really go anywhere. In my defense, I been drinkin'.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 19 Jul 2008, 21:22
I been drinkin' too. Apparently broken strings cause many amusing mishaps..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Catacombs on 19 Jul 2008, 22:28
In regards to the string snapping thing: wait til they snap you across the face.  I had a cut on my chin for like three weeks one times from a stupid g-string
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 20 Jul 2008, 05:52
I think you're going to the wrong strip clubs, buddy.


(folks!)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 20 Jul 2008, 06:08
I think you're going to the wrong strip clubs, buddy.


(folks!)

I saw this coming.

...That's why I got chucked out of the strip club.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Jul 2008, 07:36
Guys, I played a Mexican '72 Thinline Tele the other day, and I wasn't all that impressed with it.  I was very disappointed.  Are the humbuckers on it supposed to go from sounding like a single coil to a really muddy humbucker?  'Cause that's what the tone knob did.  It sounded alright, I mean, but when I compared it to other guitars equipped with humbuckers, the sound wasn't as full or warm, except when I had the tone knob somewhere in the middle.  Would there be a difference between pickups depending on where it was made, or am I just missing the point of "Wide Range" humbuckers?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 20 Jul 2008, 09:36
Guys, I played a Mexican '72 Thinline Tele

Well there's your problem
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 20 Jul 2008, 09:38
yesterday, I tuned my Viper up to Drop C.

yesssssssssssss
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 20 Jul 2008, 10:37
Also, Wide Ranges are not really made anymore. The ones on the thinlines are normal humbuckers in a Wide Range case
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 20 Jul 2008, 11:04
If you want the real-dealio, see if you can order some from Subway's stockpile.

(I may do this)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: StaedlerMars on 20 Jul 2008, 13:25
Sorry to interrupt a discussion, but since this is the Guitar Topic I thought it would be best to post it here.

I'm thinking of buying a POD line 6. I'm doing this mainly for the carry around and play everywhere factor. Is this a big mistake? Is this a big step in the right direction?

If I do buy it, is it worth the extra 60 bucks to get the actual 2.0 instead of the pocket version?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 20 Jul 2008, 13:39
I think you're going to the wrong strip clubs, buddy.


(folks!)

I saw this coming.

...That's why I got chucked out of the strip club.
Can't remember if I asked this before, but does anyone know the point at which G-string jokes stop being funny? How many years? Decades?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 20 Jul 2008, 15:16
Sorry to interrupt a discussion, but since this is the Guitar Topic I thought it would be best to post it here.

I'm thinking of buying a POD line 6. I'm doing this mainly for the carry around and play everywhere factor. Is this a big mistake? Is this a big step in the right direction?

If I do buy it, is it worth the extra 60 bucks to get the actual 2.0 instead of the pocket version?

That depends. Do you want an amp with a personality? Or do you want an amp with multiple personalities that are all other people?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: StaedlerMars on 20 Jul 2008, 19:21
Doesn't having multiple personalities imply that they are all other people? How great are these multiple personailities?

Well, really I just want something that I can plug into my guitar, then plug my headphones into it and play with possibly some effects and good quality. My guitar playing is mediocre at best (just thought that should be taken into consideration).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 20 Jul 2008, 20:05
What he means is, if you choose to use stompboxes through one or a few amps of your choice, you will develop your own unique sound.

If you use a POD, you will have access to hundreds of amp and effect models and, thus, thousands of different tones, but they will all sound inherently generic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 20 Jul 2008, 20:15
My guitar playing is mediocre at best (just thought that should be taken into consideration).

I can dig it.  I took lessons for several years and got to where I was, if I do say so myself, really pretty mediocre. 

But I keep on trucking with my trusty acoustics.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 20 Jul 2008, 22:17
Yes, I am sad to say that after nearly four years of guitar-ing, two of which with lessons, I am painfully mediocre at doing what I do.

I still love playing, though, lack-of-skillfulness aside. I guess that's what matters....right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 20 Jul 2008, 22:27
Absolutely!!  I really, really enjoy playing, even though I really can't. 

I think that only two things prevent me from being a really good guitarist.  First, a complete and total lack of talent (although some people have indicated that if I choose my type of music carefully, this is not a problem).  The second is a complete and total lack of ability.  Despite these two things, I keep working at it, and still hope to improve. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 21 Jul 2008, 08:18
Has anyone ever shielded their pickups by dipping them or "potting" them in wax?  I'm thinking about doing this to my Strat's pickups to get rid of some of the excess noise and hum.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: StaedlerMars on 21 Jul 2008, 08:41
What he means is, if you choose to use stompboxes through one or a few amps of your choice, you will develop your own unique sound.

If you use a POD, you will have access to hundreds of amp and effect models and, thus, thousands of different tones, but they will all sound inherently generic.

Got ya. So for practicing it will do I'm guessing this means?

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Jul 2008, 11:08
Sorry to interrupt a discussion, but since this is the Guitar Topic I thought it would be best to post it here.

I'm thinking of buying a POD line 6. I'm doing this mainly for the carry around and play everywhere factor. Is this a big mistake? Is this a big step in the right direction?

If I do buy it, is it worth the extra 60 bucks to get the actual 2.0 instead of the pocket version?

Screw the Pocket version, and the 2.0.

Get at the very least an XT or X3. Of course, it will never sound completely like the amps it models, and doesn't have that "personality" that a real amp has. Nevertheless, the customisability and quality of the sounds more than make up for this.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Jul 2008, 11:17
Lummer said it better.

There are fantastic variants of the POD if you're looking to use it live, particularly the POD X3 Live, which I believe doombilly owns.

But it will always be different, if not necessarily worse, than using one real amp and/or real effects pedals.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Jul 2008, 11:22
Celtic, you can also use the excuse that you are playing an acoustic. I have heard it said that playing an acoustic is like having sex with your clothes on, you know how to do it, but it is a lot more difficult.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Jul 2008, 11:28
Fortunately, the learning curve for having sex with your clothes on is set lower than for playing acoustic guitar with fingers used to electric.

If sex was as rough as barre chords on my Martin after a few months of playing solely electric guitar, I'd be (I swear there is no pun intended) fucked.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Jul 2008, 11:32
I am horrible with acoustic, I was trying to play A Celebration For the Death of Man on my dad's acoustic, I couldn't strum fast enough, the strings slowed me down too much. Probably in part because I was using a pick, and when I wasn't, well, I haven't strummed without a pick enough to be good at not catching my fingers on anything.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 21 Jul 2008, 11:38
What he means is, if you choose to use stompboxes through one or a few amps of your choice, you will develop your own unique sound.

If you use a POD, you will have access to hundreds of amp and effect models and, thus, thousands of different tones, but they will all sound inherently generic.

Got ya. So for practicing it will do I'm guessing this means?



Yes. But when the time comes that you think 'I wanna write songs, I wanna make my own unique sound, I wanna be a rock star!' you'll be as fucked as a French nun.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Jul 2008, 11:42
That's not necessarily true. Especially when you ponder how generic rock music is these days.

It's songwriting talent that distinguishes you from the crowd, not an arsenal of tones. I realized that when I started buying pedals. I could just as easily play everything I was writing without them and it would only sound moderately less exciting. They're flare, not content.

A good amp is a necessity for any serious musician, and models won't save you there. They are fun sometimes, however.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 21 Jul 2008, 11:43
Of course it's that too, but I still think that finding a sound that's your own rather than just a copy, literally, of someone else's is still important if you're going to be a guitar soloist. If you're not going to be a soloist it's less of an issue.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Jul 2008, 22:45
Man, find me 10 guitarists in contemporary rock music who have an easily distinguishable lead guitar tone. One that is rarely heard elsewhere.

Then compare that number to the amount of talented rock guitarists and you're still wrong.

Even if I said "rock music from it's beginnings through today" you would probably list off a bunch of dudes from Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time and I would show you the astoundingly large number of talented songwriters who have utilized the tired-ass, no longer innovative tones invented by their predecessors to write fantastic music.

Certainly attempting to mold your own sound is the more interesting, more creative route but let's face it, guitar tone is like sex. No matter how hard you try to think outside the box, it's all been done before*, so your objective is to be creative in your delivery rather than your methods.

* within the realm of conventional rock music
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 22 Jul 2008, 05:32
Sorry to interrupt a discussion, but since this is the Guitar Topic I thought it would be best to post it here.

I'm thinking of buying a POD line 6. I'm doing this mainly for the carry around and play everywhere factor. Is this a big mistake? Is this a big step in the right direction?

If I do buy it, is it worth the extra 60 bucks to get the actual 2.0 instead of the pocket version?

Screw the Pocket version, and the 2.0.

Get at the very least an XT or X3. Of course, it will never sound completely like the amps it models, and doesn't have that "personality" that a real amp has. Nevertheless, the customisability and quality of the sounds more than make up for this.
Rocking an X3Live myself. Right now i am very unhappy with it.
The latest firmware "upgrade" seems to have robbed me of most of the volume I had when the pedal was new 6 months ago. $500 (really like $600 w/ the GC warranty) and I am in the precarious position of having an ass-load of gigs in front of me and starting over with a new one (remaking all the patches for 2 dozen songs) or muddling on and not being heard on some of them.
I would check out the L6 Forums before making any purchases.
http://line6.com/support/forumindex.jspa

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 22 Jul 2008, 06:54
I bought one POD that was bricked out of the box.

Then I exchanged it for a newer one and it's served me flawlessly for months.

I would put good money behind the statement that nobody short of a complete audiophile asshole could reliably tell the difference between a POD amp model and the real thing on record.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 22 Jul 2008, 07:19
I think most people's shit with amp modeling, myself included, is out of principle rather than legitimate discontent. It's more exciting to play through a vintage tube amp than a red, plastic kidney bean that sounds like a vintage tube amp, therefore, to many, something like a POD is inferior to the real thing.

They're certainly worth the money I think.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 22 Jul 2008, 09:11
I think most people's shit with amp modeling, myself included, is out of principle rather than legitimate discontent. It's more exciting to play through a vintage tube amp than a red, plastic kidney bean that sounds like a vintage tube amp, therefore, to many, something like a POD is inferior to the real thing.

They're certainly worth the money I think.
Ach but mine looks more like a piece of the death star and I play it into a wee temple of orange-ness.

I really hope I can get this sussed out. I would need a room full of stuff to do what the POD provides.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 22 Jul 2008, 17:56
Hmm, might have it sussed now. It worked for me fine tonight. Bejooobius!   :mrgreen: This thing is complicated.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 23 Jul 2008, 00:44
Man, find me 10 guitarists in contemporary rock music who have an easily distinguishable lead guitar tone. One that is rarely heard elsewhere.

Ian D'Sa (Billy Talent), Alex Lifeson (Rush) Joe Walsh (the Eagles count, they still play pretty actively), John Frusciante (Red Hot Chili Peppers), Brett Mason (Nashville session player), Albert Lee (Nashville session player), John McCrea (Cake, he's got that weird-ass sounding acoustic), Xan McCrady (also of Cake), that guy with the Strat from the Strokes...

Well, fuckbat, I only got 9.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 23 Jul 2008, 01:29
Leon Macey of Mithras, with all the chorus and delay and atmospheric gobbledygook. I love that guy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 23 Jul 2008, 03:44
Gene, we've met your challenge. I want my 50 bucks now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 23 Jul 2008, 05:51
Sonic Youth, BTW.

Okay, here's a question for you guitarist people.

If you were a famous guitarist, what'd you be known for? David Gilmour for example, is known for lots of slow, big bends, making his guitar 'sing.' What'd be your hallmarks? Mine would be lots of chord bends, open strings and chords with semitone intervals in them. I also play quite percussively because I usually just strum all six strings and mute the ones I'm not playing.

How's about you guys?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 23 Jul 2008, 06:09
Quote from: Ballard
One that is rarely heard elsewhere.

You guys kind of missed the point. DK didn't miss the point but there are very few artists like that out there. I'm talking about unique tones created by a variety of gear, not just unique solo styles.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Jul 2008, 06:23
Yeah, Billy Talent are far from unique, tone-wise.

To answer DK's question, I would do something like J Mascis.  Monolithic, melodic solos with funky sounds and a heavy use of fuzzed-out guitars.   Also, wonky, screechy guitar freakouts a la Ira Kaplan of Yo La Tengo.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 23 Jul 2008, 11:36
If you were a famous guitarist, what'd you be known for?
How's about you guys?
Um, messing up so much that it becomes a "style."
Quote from: some doofus
yeah like the way he would always mess up the b minor in "therapy" and nail it in "detached."
Although I used to be known for playing things different everytime but my girl has already dickpunched me enough to make me stop doing that.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 23 Jul 2008, 14:20
Actually I have a tendency to play things differently too, especially lead stuff. I think recording my band's demo may prove tricky :-P
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Jul 2008, 04:03
Yeah, Billy Talent are far from unique, tone-wise.

I dunno, dude, the crisp, shining attack of every note, whether clean or distorted, is pretty distinctive to my ears. Every other time I've heard a guitar, regardless of what kind of amp, the attack has been sharp, but not nearly as well-defined. The distortion is pretty distinctive as well, it's very tight and brilliant. To me, Marshalls have distortion that's looser and much meatier in the lower middle frequencies, and Fenders are too muddy to accurately reproduce that sound.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 24 Jul 2008, 05:22
Well if you're getting a Fender, it's not to imitate a Marshall.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 25 Jul 2008, 07:53
Actually I have a tendency to play things differently too, especially lead stuff. I think recording my band's demo may prove tricky :-P
I'm not talking about a solo. I'm talking about the same chords only accented differently. I am like Bily Pilgrim. Only instead of unstuck-in-time I am unstuck-in-meter. :))
I suggest marrying your bassist and having him / her /it dickpunch you frequently.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 25 Jul 2008, 08:45
There's a flaw with that plan!  Too much cockpunching could cause sterility!  Sacrifice your baby or your band?  Decisions!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 25 Jul 2008, 08:54
There's a flaw with that plan!  Too much cockpunching could cause sterility!  Sacrifice your baby or your band?  Decisions!
I have one great kid already (8 yo, daughter). Another would simply complicate things.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 25 Jul 2008, 09:11
Yes, but other dudes don't.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 25 Jul 2008, 09:29
Oh me, always thinking of myself...

Speaking of, I saw one of these in the shoppe when I picked up my Tiny terror.
You have no idea how nicely it played.

(http://www.allthetransients.com/subdomains/blackwidow/gallery/g_j_03_01.jpg)

(acoustic black widow)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 25 Jul 2008, 09:35
MOAR PIX PLZ


Oh, and I also got another seven-string this wednesday. Pics coming up.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 25 Jul 2008, 10:09
Whoa, holy shit. Yeah, I agree with Lummer, MOAR.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 25 Jul 2008, 10:32
Those are just goggled images. I don't have a camera. So these are NOT pictures of the one I saw.
This is the ugliest feature, but it really is kind of endearing because it is so retarded:
(http://www.allthetransients.com/subdomains/blackwidow/gallery/g_j_01_10.jpg)
here's a nice pic but this one's been modded with an extra jack to be stererererero
(http://usguitars.ronsound.com/gallery/bw.gif)

Nice article here:
http://www.vintageguitar.com/features/brands/details.asp?AID=1046 but teh website is down right now.


many more pics in a crappy gallery here:
http://www.acousticblackwidow.com/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 25 Jul 2008, 11:53
Actually I have a tendency to play things differently too, especially lead stuff. I think recording my band's demo may prove tricky :-P
I'm not talking about a solo. I'm talking about the same chords only accented differently.

So am I. Hence the key word 'especially.'
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Jul 2008, 05:26
Ah man. I have but ONE complaint about my new Tele, and that's that the tone pots are kinda shitty. I should probably replace them at some point.

That said..it's a hell of a lot better than I was expecting it to be. Ballsy as fuck. KEEP MAKING GOOD, INEXPENSIVE STUFF, SQUIER. KEEP AT IT. Maybe someday I'll snag a Jagmaster and put a 25.5" neck on it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 27 Jul 2008, 06:38
So am I. Hence the key word 'especially.'
oh durr. Sorry.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: king dan on 27 Jul 2008, 18:38
the tone pots are kinda shitty. I should probably replace them at some point.

DO IT. while you're at it replace ALL (and I mean all of the wiring) with shielded copper wire. A pain in the ass, yes, but you'll thank me later.
Squier uses absolute shit cheapo wire on the inside that adds all that lovely buzz and hum that I'm sure you love.
Oh also when you do it swap bad wire for good wire one at a time so you don't get confused.
You'll be surprised at the improvement post guitar surgery.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: phantompenguin on 27 Jul 2008, 20:22
i just ordered a used american standard telecaster from ebay.  it'll be my first upgrade from my squier affinity strat.  :)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 27 Jul 2008, 21:49
Has anyone ever shielded their pickups by dipping them or "potting" them in wax?  I'm thinking about doing this to my Strat's pickups to get rid of some of the excess noise and hum.

All pickups should be potted by default, so unless they're very old or you know they're not potted, it's probably something else. I fixed my uncle-in-law's 40 year-old microphonic hollowbody (yeah, I know: 'microphonic pups are radical!' you say. Well, not with hollowbody feedback they ain't) by potting the pickups, and it's actually pretty fun. You put some marbles in a jar, throw in some chunks of canning wax, and heat it in water, and then dunk the pickups. But not knowing anything else about your guitar, I'd say you'd have more success magnetically shielding your cavity.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 28 Jul 2008, 01:43
Has anyone ever shielded their pickups by dipping them or "potting" them in wax?  I'm thinking about doing this to my Strat's pickups to get rid of some of the excess noise and hum.

All pickups should be potted by default, so unless they're very old or you know they're not potted, it's probably something else. I fixed my uncle-in-law's 40 year-old microphonic hollowbody (yeah, I know: 'microphonic pups are radical!' you say. Well, not with hollowbody feedback they ain't) by potting the pickups, and it's actually pretty fun. You put some marbles in a jar, throw in some chunks of canning wax, and heat it in water, and then dunk the pickups. But not knowing anything else about your guitar, I'd say you'd have more success magnetically shielding your cavity.

Nope... not all pickups are potted. Some prominent guitar builders and guitarists claim it deadens the tone.

Quote from: Curtis Novak
The pickup was potted in what appeared to be straight paraffin wax. Most PAFs type pickups are not potted because it will effect the tone. If they are potted the wax should be mixed with bees wax to make not so hard and brittle. Potting is a fast cheap way to address the problem of microphonics and squeal. There are other, and better methods to stop the microphonics with out potting the bobbins.

By the way, the potting should not have any effect on electrical interference, but it will reduce microphonic feedback, so keep that in mind!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Jul 2008, 02:18
I know nothing about whether Gibson potted their pickups back in the day, but I know for a fact that Gibson does it on all their pickups now.

I also know that ES-137s and 175s have tone that fucking slays, and that I want a 137 with a Bigsby.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: king dan on 29 Jul 2008, 11:09
Yep, as an obsessive modder I have taken apart quite a few pickups and I have yet to see a Gibson not potted. Also I was surprised that an Epiphone LP I was working on had potted PAFs as well. I've played both potted and unpotted and I have to say I disagree that it's a tone-wrecker. Unless you consider static and noise and hum tone. Or if you're a member of Black Dice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 29 Jul 2008, 11:25
Here's my stuff:

Gibson SG Classic (http://b8.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00588/82/01/588151028_l.jpg)
Epiphone Les Paul Special II with Gibson '57 Classic Reissue Pickups (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/blakejustblake/blah/DSCN0511.jpg)
Alvarez Reagent (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/blakejustblake/blah/DSCN0539.jpg)
Fender Jazz Bass (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/blakejustblake/blah/DSCN0540.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 29 Jul 2008, 20:19
SG Classic huaglhuagl.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 30 Jul 2008, 11:37
I don't really know what a reaction of huaglhuagl entails...Should I be saying "Yeah, it's pretty awesome." or "Do you declare a duel good sir?"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 30 Jul 2008, 12:15
I am almost positive "Yeah, it's pretty awesome," would be an appropriate response there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 31 Jul 2008, 01:32
I declare a duel, good sir. Those P-90s will give me the sound I'm looking for a lot quicker than the 590R and 590T on my SG will.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Jul 2008, 05:15
I don't really know what a reaction of huaglhuagl entails...Should I be saying "Yeah, it's pretty awesome." or "Do you declare a duel good sir?"

It's like an Internet boner. Fucking beautiful sounding and looking guitar you got there man. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tomselleck69 on 31 Jul 2008, 08:40
What is the consensus on putting lace sensor pickups into a stratocaster? / which are the more interesting-sounding ones? / more poorly thought-out questions that betray my naivete about pickups and pure childlike desire to mess with my guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Jul 2008, 19:30
Tell us more about your Strat. What year, what pickups are in it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tomselleck69 on 31 Jul 2008, 19:39
Nothing special, basic Mexican Strat with the stock single coils. I don't remember which year I got it, but judging from the serial number it was made in 2000 or 2001.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 07 Aug 2008, 22:04
What does everyone think of aluminum necks? Travis Beans, 70's-era Kramers, etc.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/kalnaar_khan/1644_3.jpg)

I've seen some going on eBay for decent prices. Never gotten a chance to play one myself, unfortunately. Anyone have any experience with 'em?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 08 Aug 2008, 04:29
My favourite guitar shop ever has a Kramer with an aluminum neck that I've wanted to play for ages, but the owner (despite being a friend of mine) refuses to let anybody play it, and it's not for sale. I've heard that they give out some pretty bright tone, and the sustain... well, the neck's literally made out of fucking metal, of course it'll sustain. Downside: you are probably going to have absurd amounts of radio interference. Have fun with that.

Oh, and I posted about it in the Blog Thread, but I thought I would mention here that I am about $250 away from having a Fender American Vintage Jaguar in my hands. I'm thinking I'll get it in Olympic White, because the natural wear that will inevitably occur over the years will show through so much easier with such a light finish, and a well-worn Fender is like a well-worn pair of jeans. The wear patterns are similar, but none are ever the same, and they are always sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 08 Aug 2008, 08:29
Lucky fucker.

I'm saving up for the AV Jazzmaster also, but I'm still a good thousand away at this point. :(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Aug 2008, 08:39
Why not get the eight hundred dollar Player's one?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 08 Aug 2008, 12:37
My friend just got one of those.  It is gorgeous.  Through his Tiny Terror with the gain cranked it absolutely roars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 08 Aug 2008, 15:29
Why not get the eight hundred dollar Player's one?

Because it's MIM. I just bought this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/Fender-American-Vintage-Reissue-Jaguar-AVRI_W0QQitemZ200245192266QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200245192266&_trkparms=72%3A1074%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318) and the guy has a roller bridge installed, but he's also including the original bridge and the mute assembly.

I have to talk to my bank, though, because Wells-Fargo are dicks. I went the "buy it now" route and went to put in my card info and they were like "lol, no".
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 08 Aug 2008, 19:23
Yeah, I know the MIM is like, half the price of the American one, but I know that if I save up for the real deal it'll be totally worth it in the long run. Besides, they way my job's been paying lately, I'll be able to afford it in no time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Xaris3514 on 08 Aug 2008, 21:51
(http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/8536/dsc01220li7.jpg)

There's Geddy, my first (and only) bass sitting next to Steve, my Guitar Hero controller.

Geddy's a Dean Edge 09, but unfortunately, the amp that came with him isn't very good and I'm looking into getting a new one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 08 Aug 2008, 22:05
I'm waiting to get my bass amp back from a friend who lives several several several hours away.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Xaris3514 on 08 Aug 2008, 22:33
A question to other bass players. Do you guys like to use picks? I've experimented with different sized picks (and a quarter) and have found that I like the sound from plucking the strings over using any sized pick (though the quarter made a pretty nice sound, but I'd assume that it would kill the strings).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tomselleck69 on 08 Aug 2008, 23:26
I prefer using my fingers, but I dislike the "fingers ONLY" attitude that a lot of bassists seem to have. Playing with a pick certainly has its own range of applications and interesting stuff you can do with it. I think it's best to be acquainted with both.

In any event, I don't play bass as much as I used to, so I find that I have to switch to a pick after 20 minutes of (aggressive) playing if I don't want holes in my fingertips.

I never really took to huge bass picks, nor the felt ones. I like small, heavy tortex picks for both bass and regular guitar.

Now, quarters...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Aug 2008, 02:20
A question to other bass players. Do you guys like to use picks? I've experimented with different sized picks (and a quarter) and have found that I like the sound from plucking the strings over using any sized pick (though the quarter made a pretty nice sound, but I'd assume that it would kill the strings).

I alternate whether I use a pick or fingers depending from song to song. Anyone who tells you that you must ALWAYZ UZE FINGRZ is... well, talking out their ass, there's plenty of people who only use fingers and that's fine, but you get a very different sound from playing with a pick which is more suitable for different songs.

As far as using a quarter, there are people who use coins to play. I don't think it's great for the strings, no, but you know, Brian May's done it for forty years.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 09 Aug 2008, 04:18
I personally don't like using a quater cause it is so damn thick.

However, use what you want! Use your fingers, use a pick, or even use your dick for all I care. Just do whatever works best for you. It is always a good idea to be proficent in different styles of playing though, so it would be wise to at least be able to do both. Which style you actually use in your playing is your desicion.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 09 Aug 2008, 06:03
Yeah, I know the MIM is like, half the price of the American one, but I know that if I save up for the real deal it'll be totally worth it in the long run. Besides, they way my job's been paying lately, I'll be able to afford it in no time.

Try them both. I hear the MIMs are pretty good guitars too. My AVRI kicks ass though.

When there used to be only MIJ/CIJs and AVRIs there was always the camp of people who thought AVRIs were a cut above, worth the extra money, and the camp that thought the CIJs with (or some would say even without) a few mods were better. I've played many of both and am firmly in the former camp (owning an AV Jaguar) though the Japanese guitars are good too. But once you upgrade the Japanese guitars, they'd come up to almost the same cost as the Americans. The advantage of getting the CIJ to mod is the customisability, really, though this is not to say the CIJ offsets aren't fine guitars off the shelf, but they are certainly lacking in a few aspects compared to the AVRI (namely the vibrato tailpiece, and to most, the pickups).

Okay, there was a big tangent which doesn't quite say anything about the topic at hand. I've not yet touched a Mexican Jazzmaster or Jaguar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Aug 2008, 08:07
As far as using a quarter, there are people who use coins to play. I don't think it's great for the strings, no, but you know, Brian May's done it for forty years.

Billy Gibbons as well. That's not to say that playing with a coin will make anybody as completely fucking heroic as these two guitarists, but damned if I don't love the sound of the attack every time I hear either of their recordings.

Oh and after finally figuring out how to find my bank account number, I finally paid for that motherfucking Jag. That was so much more of a pain in the ass than it should've been, but fuck it, I've got a Jaguar now like I have always wanted!

Speaking of the whole U.S. vs. Mexico thing, my friend back home in California (the one whose dad owns those gorgeous vintage axes and amps) has himself a MexiStrat. It served him pretty well for a good while, but he changed the strings fairly recently and had a huge problem with his tremolo. They're the same gauge that they've always been, same brand, same everything, but now that damned tremolo bridge is at a good 30 degree angle from the body (and he's not the only one, Darryl told me a while back that he was having the same exact problem). I'd be reluctant to go for a guitar made in the same factory as that sucker, especially when Jags are said to be really temperamental as it is.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 09 Aug 2008, 09:35
A question to other bass players. Do you guys like to use picks? I've experimented with different sized picks (and a quarter) and have found that I like the sound from plucking the strings over using any sized pick (though the quarter made a pretty nice sound, but I'd assume that it would kill the strings).

I prefer the fingers because I can usually play just as fast with them as with a pick and the pick sound is just too sharp for just regular playing for me. I like the smooth soft bass lines that the fingers give you. Plus, with the fingers it's much easier to go into slap mode, which I think is the most fun you can have on a bass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Aug 2008, 09:44
I personally don't like using a quater cause it is so damn thick.

I've been known to batter my guitar with a 5CHF coin, that's some thick shit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 09 Aug 2008, 10:05
Well, too thick for me. I like playing with a 1mm pick. Thick enough to get good sound, but still has a touch of bend to it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: GenericName on 09 Aug 2008, 13:12
So Guitar Topic I have invented a way to play guitar that I dont think has ever been tried before. Observe:

1.Take the pedal from a bass drum, set it in front of a guitar which is sitting on a stand or something.
2. Sit so that the strings of the guitar are facing you.
3. Figure out chord structures and fret them.
4. Use pedal as you would for a bass drum, having it hit the strings which are involved in the chord.
5. Profit.


Can anyone think of whether this has happened before? The way I see it, it allows the guitar player to do much more complicated chords with both hands, as well as use the guitar as one would a drum. Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Aug 2008, 13:32
Would be worth getting a softer, probably wider pedal to do it. And you don't get a lot of variation in how you hit it, either.

But I can't say shit, I've been known to just twat a guitar with a drumstick for the whole song.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Aug 2008, 17:00
Well, too thick for me. I like playing with a 1mm pick. Thick enough to get good sound, but still has a touch of bend to it.

I don't play bass, but on guitar I usually stick with .73mm. I used to play .88 though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Aug 2008, 19:18
Man, anything thicker than .66mm for a pick is too thick to me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 10 Aug 2008, 03:12
Speaking of the whole U.S. vs. Mexico thing, my friend back home in California (the one whose dad owns those gorgeous vintage axes and amps) has himself a MexiStrat. It served him pretty well for a good while, but he changed the strings fairly recently and had a huge problem with his tremolo. They're the same gauge that they've always been, same brand, same everything, but now that damned tremolo bridge is at a good 30 degree angle from the body (and he's not the only one, Darryl told me a while back that he was having the same exact problem). I'd be reluctant to go for a guitar made in the same factory as that sucker, especially when Jags are said to be really temperamental as it is.

Hmm, something I've heard about the Mexican instruments is that the Classic/Deluxe/Whatever else series are a cut above the Standards quality wise. I haven't really played many of the MIM factory instruments though so I can't speak from personal experience on this.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Aug 2008, 09:07
Well, too thick for me. I like playing with a 1mm pick. Thick enough to get good sound, but still has a touch of bend to it.

I don't play bass, but on guitar I usually stick with .73mm. I used to play .88 though.

I think I use .71 for guitar and .73 for bass, but not particularly worrying if either gets swapped. You get a nice sharp sound on bass with a thinner pick, which suits my trebly playing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Aug 2008, 12:44
(playing guitar with a bass drum pedal)

How about you just buy a damned drum mallet and fret your strings normally.

One sound I like (in certain applications) is taking a chisel-tip Sharpie and whacking the strings with the body of the pen. Gives a cool piano-ish sound.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Aug 2008, 07:20
So guys, I guess Vox is teaming up with Paul McCartney and making guitars now.  Check it out. (http://www.voxvirage.com/)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: locafoca on 15 Aug 2008, 13:45
I have a question for the guitar gurus around here.

I am considering selling my amp, which for the purposes of minimizing distraction will remain nameless. I will net myself about $2500 total when this is sold combined with my short savings. What i am looking for is a nice tube head that can produce a crystal clear, shimmering mid-range, among other things. I'm not TOO worried about the dirty channel, as i usually craft my dirty sound to suit the tone coming out of my amp anyhow.

For reference, my guitar is a Gibson Les Paul Studio, still all factory, soon to be coil-tapped. I make ambient music, not so much rock or punk or metal or what have you.

I've heard a nice fender combo would be a nice choice for what i'm looking for, but in the course of forty years, i'd suspect that there are at least some other things worth looking at on the market. That said, I am considering a Fender Dual Showman that i've been eyeing on craigslist for quite a while.

Suggestions?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 15 Aug 2008, 14:41
One sound I like (in certain applications) is taking a chisel-tip Sharpie and whacking the strings with the body of the pen. Gives a cool piano-ish sound.

This is also fun to do with a pair of tweezers, especially when you let it bounce.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Aug 2008, 14:52
I have a question for the guitar gurus around here.

I am considering selling my amp...

How much are you willing to pay?  I'd say you might want to take a Fender Twin for a spin, unless you're specifically looking for a head.  In which case, you might fancy trying a Vox head a whirl, but not one of the Valvetronix ones.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 15 Aug 2008, 16:26
Hmmmm...

America's Guitar??? (http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/fail-owned-americas-fail.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Catacombs on 15 Aug 2008, 17:57
So guys, I guess Vox is teaming up with Paul McCartney and making guitars now.  Check it out. (http://www.voxvirage.com/)

Holy shit are those sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 16 Aug 2008, 02:33
Hmmmm...

America's Guitar??? (http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/fail-owned-americas-fail.jpg)

Mexico's America too!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 16 Aug 2008, 09:17
Hey, as far as basses go, what's everyone's opinion on this thing from eastwood?

http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/Bass/eub-1/images/EUB1-big/4227eebfretlessblackFINAL.jpg

I don't play bass, but looking at that thing, I think I want to learn.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Aug 2008, 09:20
Anything Eastwood ever does is awesome. Ever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Xaris3514 on 16 Aug 2008, 09:39
Hey, as far as basses go, what's everyone's opinion on this thing from eastwood?

http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/Bass/eub-1/images/EUB1-big/4227eebfretlessblackFINAL.jpg

I don't play bass, but looking at that thing, I think I want to learn.

Its a fretless bass. I'd say its a bad idea to learn bass on a fretless.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 16 Aug 2008, 10:30
They have a fretted version of that model too actually.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Xaris3514 on 16 Aug 2008, 10:32
Then you're set.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tomselleck69 on 16 Aug 2008, 14:41
Lookwise it is awesome, but yes don't learn on the fretless model, or any fretless bass unless the fingerboard has some kind of indication of where the frets would be, or you have perfect pitch, or a thorough, practiced understanding of what notes correspond to what noises.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 16 Aug 2008, 14:52
Oh man, I had no intention of learning on a fretless; there are easier methods of killing oneself i assume.  Just saying that the Eastwood I posted was a damn fine bass.  Too bad it's $700...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: locafoca on 16 Aug 2008, 19:08
I think i'll go take a trip to the local guitar center and fuck around on a fender twin reverb, super reverb, and some VOX AC30. Then maybe I'll talk some guys on CR into letting me try their Fender Dual Showman and Orange heads.

Also, I am so buying this with my next paycheck:

http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/Other/mandocaster/mandocaster_frm.htm
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 17 Aug 2008, 00:36
Oh man, I had no intention of learning on a fretless; there are easier methods of killing oneself i assume.  Just saying that the Eastwood I posted was a damn fine bass.  Too bad it's $700...

Yeah, it's a copy of the old Ampeg Scroll design.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 17 Aug 2008, 01:41
Electric mandolins have never been something I've liked to listen to. There's nothing sweeter than an acoustic mandolin playing a pretty melody. See: "Would You Go With Me" by Josh Turner or "Going to California" by the almighty Zeppelin.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 17 Aug 2008, 05:27
Warren Ellis rocks the shit out of his Mandocaster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Aug 2008, 12:22
Some jerk stole a shitload of Orange Tiny Terrors.  Read. (http://www.orange-amps.com/news.asp?ID=34)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 20 Aug 2008, 22:09
I was just browsing Etsy a little while ago, and I stumbled upon this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/kalnaar_khan/sex.jpg)

This is a bold statement, but I think this might just be the most beautiful guitar I've ever seen. I'm dead serious. Link for those interested: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=11740042 (http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=11740042)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 22 Aug 2008, 12:41
I just bought one of these second-hand:

(http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/rs/tn1/tn1_30324.jpg)

50W of awesomeness.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Aug 2008, 12:18
Guys!  I just picked this up for forty bucks!

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa100/xholycrapitsmattx/DSCN0540.jpg)

Mmm.  Warm, analog delays.  The loss of volume is bugging me, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 23 Aug 2008, 20:39
I was just browsing Etsy a little while ago, and I stumbled upon this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/kalnaar_khan/sex.jpg)

This is a bold statement, but I think this might just be the most beautiful guitar I've ever seen. I'm dead serious. Link for those interested: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=11740042 (http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=11740042)

And you may be right.

Pic quoted for pretty
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 24 Aug 2008, 23:46
Guys!  I just picked this up for forty bucks!

Mmm.  Warm, analog delays.  The loss of volume is bugging me, though.

http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=23

I realize this kind of defeats the point of getting awesome vintage effects for cheap but I used to play with one of these at the guitar shop I worked at and it was awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RadioElectric on 25 Aug 2008, 14:28
Speaking of the whole U.S. vs. Mexico thing, my friend back home in California (the one whose dad owns those gorgeous vintage axes and amps) has himself a MexiStrat. It served him pretty well for a good while, but he changed the strings fairly recently and had a huge problem with his tremolo. They're the same gauge that they've always been, same brand, same everything, but now that damned tremolo bridge is at a good 30 degree angle from the body (and he's not the only one, Darryl told me a while back that he was having the same exact problem). I'd be reluctant to go for a guitar made in the same factory as that sucker, especially when Jags are said to be really temperamental as it is.

That doesn't sound normal at all. My best guess as to a probable cause would be that one of the springs connecting the tremolo block to the claw in the back of the guitar escaped while the strings were off. It'd be very easy to fix in that case, though I imagine it'd be something he would have checked already.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tomselleck69 on 25 Aug 2008, 15:19
Guitar-wise you're looking at about a $100 to $300 range. Amp-wise it's about the same range, with the bottom end a little lower depending on how small/lousy an amp you are comfortable buying. You'll also need a cable to plug the guitar into the amp and probably a tuner if you're just starting out, you can find both of those together for under 20 bucks.

I've bought every guitar I've owned in person (I'm wary about the truss rod in the neck getting messed up over the course of the delivery), but if you want to take that risk (which I'm probably exaggerating) the prices at http://www.musiciansfriend.com are very good. I'd recommend going to a music shop to get one though, if only because you'll be able to play with it before you buy it.


note: I don't know what guitar stuff costs in Norway! This could aaaaaaall be wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 25 Aug 2008, 21:40
How are eastwood guitars when it comes to quality? I know that some people love them, but I am not sure if that is in a purely looks way, I was looking at a corona (sorry, don't like the odder shapes all that much), and it sounded good in the video I saw, but I am surprised at the <400 price tag, considering the harglblargl response some people have to them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 25 Aug 2008, 22:03
The few that are copies of popular guitars (P-90 Special, Eastwood GP, Corona) are actually kind of lame. I mean, the quality control isn't bad for cheaper guitars but it's no better than on an Epiphone of equivalent value. (I have physical experience with most Eastwood models 'cause my shop used to carry 90% of their line)

It's the quirky, and often higher end Eastwoods that are magical. Really anything $600+ is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 27 Aug 2008, 14:09
Someone that looks suspiciously like me might be buying a guitar that looks suspiciously like this tomorrow:
(http://www.allthetransients.com/subdomains/blackwidow/gallery/g_j_07_01.jpg)
...and if not, maybe an Eastwood will be in my future...

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Zingoleb on 27 Aug 2008, 20:19
I have nearly ten guitars, two of which are playable.

One is a sweet little Fender Precision Bass, beautiful black with gray/black pickguard and it feels wonderful.

My acoustic is a Fender, too - a Gemini II, actually, and that's my  baby gem. www.youtube.com/zingoleb (shameless plug, yes) has that one on it.

Then I ahve a bunch of random free ones; one was nice until a fucking asshole dropped it and broke it.
 
One is missing a tuning key and the nut. Who busted a nut on my guitar?

Another is missing all tuning keys, pickups, dials, anything to hold the strings down, and as a result it sounds like shit. It's not even salvageable - the body and neck are shot to shit, so I'm just gonna use it someday to smash to tiny pieces in the middle of the road, preferably while the church next door is letting out and I can really let out some aggression.

As for a pick, my hand cramps up when playing with a pick too long; besides that, my playing style is too complicated for that, and I generally play so hard I lose the pick, break it, or both.

If I have to, I like the thin picks - .32 mm has a wonderful feel to it. But I've played with thick picks, thin picks, quarters, half dollars, my teeth, my nose (it hurts), other guitar strings, other guitars (think guitar humping; it didn't work), and beef jerky.

Playing guitar with beef jerky works surprisingly well. We'll call ourselves...the Bloody Moos.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Aug 2008, 21:34
How do I figure out what I am doing wrong when I am getting hand cramps on my fretting hand? I was trying to play the rhythm part of The Wolves of Timberline, which could be capoed at the 5th fret if it weren't for a couple of measures, and my hand keeps cramping up when I bar the fifth fret with my index finger. Maybe I need to be playing it one string up, but still, I should be able to hold for longer than that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Zingoleb on 27 Aug 2008, 22:47
Repetitive Stress Syndrome comes about when practicing the same thing over and over and over. Keith Emerson of Emerson, Lake, and Palmer had it from practicing keyboards - you might want to have it looked into.

Try lighter gauge strings that require less pressing, too.

Also, is your neck badly bent at all? That would make it harder to press the strings down (further to press).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Catacombs on 27 Aug 2008, 23:08
It's not even salvageable - the body and neck are shot to shit, so I'm just gonna use it someday to smash to tiny pieces in the middle of the road, preferably while the church next door is letting out and I can really let out some aggression.

This is a shit load of fun.  My old acoustic died when it was in the trunk of my old car and someone decided to plow into doing 50 m.p.h. while i was at a stop sign.  Aside from bruises and cuts, i was ok but the neck snapped at the head stock and the body was a little crushed.  The hard shell case it was in was a hell of a lot worse though. 

ANYWAY I took the guitar, ripped the strings off it and smashed it a bunch of times.  I thought it was a fitting send off.  Then i burnt it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 28 Aug 2008, 03:51
How do I figure out what I am doing wrong when I am getting hand cramps on my fretting hand? I was trying to play the rhythm part of The Wolves of Timberline, which could be capoed at the 5th fret if it weren't for a couple of measures, and my hand keeps cramping up when I bar the fifth fret with my index finger. Maybe I need to be playing it one string up, but still, I should be able to hold for longer than that.

I usually find this is linked to the weight of the guitar, how high up I have the guitar, and if I have any shoulder issues (which is usually linked to back issues).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 28 Aug 2008, 04:08
How do I figure out what I am doing wrong when I am getting hand cramps on my fretting hand? I was trying to play the rhythm part of The Wolves of Timberline, which could be capoed at the 5th fret if it weren't for a couple of measures, and my hand keeps cramping up when I bar the fifth fret with my index finger. Maybe I need to be playing it one string up, but still, I should be able to hold for longer than that.

Try going back to basics and looking at your technique. Check your wrist action, shoulder tension, all of that type of stuff, and if that doesn't work, take a bit of a break and see if gets any better.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tomselleck69 on 28 Aug 2008, 09:16
So you're barring the 5th fret and using it as an open position and building chords and stuff with your other three fingers? Forcing your hand to play familiar patterns in a different orientation for whole-song-lengths will wear anybody down eventually.

I mean of course try adjusting the position of your arm/shoulder and the guitar on your body, take a look at your action and maybe try some lighter strings, but this sounds like a "keep playing, tough it out" kind of thing to me.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Aug 2008, 18:15
I don't think they make lighter strings than .09s all that much. It could be that these are new strings, so they are higher tension than the same strings after I have been playing them for a couple weeks. I think it is more likely, though, that it is the neck, it is bent. Not hugely, but if you look at the string height even between the first and fifth fret, it is very noticeable. Probably would be a lot easier on my friend's Squier, it has the most beautifully low action I have played. It is also a tough it out thing, though, since it would be even harder to do it on an acoustic like it is supposed to be done on.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 28 Aug 2008, 20:48
Personally, I prefer necks that are a bit bent - not majorly, but I find that playing high frets (15 +) on a good, straight neck tends to mute it...
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Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Aug 2008, 21:53
I think I have about a fifth of an inch clearance over the fret at the 15th fret, less than a 16th at the first fret. I think that falls under too much of a good thing, and I don't play the high frets much anyway, probably because it is about at the high E that it starts sounding really crappy, it is like... Alder and maple, I think, really bright, almost no sustain, crappy clean tone, really want a new guitar.
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Post by: Ballard on 28 Aug 2008, 22:38
Guys, fret your guitar in first position (index finger on first fret). Now, not removing your fretting hand, fret the 12th fret with the thumb of your strumming/picking hand. Now with the index finger of that same hand, reach over and fret the 5th fret. There should be just enough space to slide a high E string through. This is proper action on a neck that doesn't need to be adjusted.
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Post by: sean on 29 Aug 2008, 19:51
Guys, fret your guitar in first position (index finger on first fret).

I mean, maybe I'm wrong/confusing instruments, but isn't that half position? I dunno, I've always thought the second fret was first position, seeing as that is the first whole step.

Also, I apologize for my nitpicking.
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Post by: Spluff on 29 Aug 2008, 20:03
Nope, first position is first fret. Whichever fret the index finger is on is the position you're in.
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Post by: sean on 29 Aug 2008, 20:44
Ah okay. I was mixing up instruments then, because on some string instruments first position is the first whole step, and the half step is "half position" or something like that. Thanks for clarifying!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 30 Aug 2008, 17:20
Huh? What about the D major on the fourth, third, second, and first strings? I heard that called first position, and the first finger is on the second fret there.
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Post by: Thrillho on 30 Aug 2008, 17:41
That's just the first position for that chord. The second position is presumably the B-shaped barre chord at the 5th fret.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 30 Aug 2008, 17:45
So... First position chords are the closest to the nut you can fret them? I really don't know the reasoning behind most of what I know, I am usually more interested in playing better than knowing the terminology. Though not knowing how to play in a certain key really made it difficult to improv without sounding horrible.
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Post by: Thrillho on 30 Aug 2008, 18:28
I'm sure that's what I've been told, that as far as frets, the first position is the first fret. As far as chords, the first position is the closest to the nut you can fret it, and second is the next closed, etc.
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Post by: Spluff on 30 Aug 2008, 18:54
Are you talking about the open D chord? Because if you are, that would be considered open position because you're using an open string.
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Post by: Harun on 30 Aug 2008, 22:06
*tunes to open C and goes Kaki on everyone's ass*
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Post by: dystancholitects on 30 Aug 2008, 22:50
My collection isn't quite as impressive as some of the others here; my main bass is an Antoniotsai custom Vietnamese five-string bass which looks pretty, but has a slightly muddy tone. I also have a Warwick Streamer LX four-string bass, a Jay Turser four-string Hofner copy, a Hagstrom II vintage guitar, and an incredibly shitty Sorina Stratocaster. My amp is a Sunn Solarus from 1967.

EDIT: Forgot my Yamaha acoustic.
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Post by: valley_parade on 31 Aug 2008, 06:52
By the time you notice the Sunn is missing, I'll be three states away, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by: Thrillho on 31 Aug 2008, 11:15
Are you talking about the open D chord? Because if you are, that would be considered open position because you're using an open string.

I'm not sure you get what I was talking about. But then there's every chance it was wrong anyway, so never mind.
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Post by: dystancholitects on 31 Aug 2008, 11:36
By the time you notice the Sunn is missing, I'll be three states away, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That thing is way too huge to steal. But if you do manage to, I'd suggest replacing the tubes; they'd never been replaced when I bought it and it crackles like a bitch, and I haven't found time to buy new ones yet....

Otherwise, a little Craigslist searching should get you a sweet deal; they pop up often, around $650.00.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 01 Sep 2008, 13:03
Are you talking about the open D chord? Because if you are, that would be considered open position because you're using an open string.
Yeah, the D is open, G is at 2, B is at 3, E is at 2. So the open A with D,G,and B at 2 would be open A? What would the G major rooted on the 6th string be?
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Post by: Samsara on 01 Sep 2008, 16:01
Are you talking about the open D chord? Because if you are, that would be considered open position because you're using an open string.
Yeah, the D is open, G is at 2, B is at 3, E is at 2. So the open A with D,G,and B at 2 would be open A? What would the G major rooted on the 6th string be?

E 3
B 3 (or O)
G O
D O
A 2
E 3

Or bar the third fret and arrange "an E major" on the fourth fret
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Post by: Nodaisho on 01 Sep 2008, 16:47
Oops, my bad, I meant what would it be called, I was going to list out the fret positions, but that one uses almost all the strings (I was taught to mute the D with the finger fretting the A, don't feel like thinking enough to see if it works both ways right now).
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Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Sep 2008, 16:58
Are we talking about G chords?  I fret mine like this:

e|---3
B|---3
G|---0
D|---0
A|---x
E|---3

Sometimes I don't mute the A string and play the B note as well.  It depends on what I feel like doing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Samsara on 01 Sep 2008, 17:59
Oops, my bad, I meant what would it be called, I was going to list out the fret positions, but that one uses almost all the strings (I was taught to mute the D with the finger fretting the A, don't feel like thinking enough to see if it works both ways right now).

The notes that make up G Major are G B and D, so there's no need to mute the D string. I never mude the A string because the B is the third so I may as well play it. Unless I wanted G5, in which case I'd just play the Power Chord on the third fret root on the 6th string.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 01 Sep 2008, 19:13
Favourite tuning is... E E E E B E
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Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Sep 2008, 19:14
Open D is pretty rad.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 01 Sep 2008, 19:15
Gentlemen:
C G C G C E
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Post by: Nodaisho on 01 Sep 2008, 19:45
I guess it was just the specific... voicing? that I first played it in was muting the D, voicing is the right word, right?

Whenever I do G5 in that vicinity, I just fret the G on the 6th and mute the A string, play down to third, I never even think about fretting it like I do all the other power chords. Funny how habits stick from the first songs you learn.
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Post by: Thrillho on 02 Sep 2008, 08:30
My favourite tunings are DADAAD and CGCFAC.
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Post by: Christophe on 02 Sep 2008, 08:55
I generally use standard and DACGAE (ha ha ha, "gae") tuning. The latter is rad for Yonic Southish droney/math-rocky guitar parts.
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Post by: valley_parade on 02 Sep 2008, 09:00
On my album for Darryl's 24 hour challenge, I tuned my guitar to CCFBbEbG. It's C Standard tuning, but I doubled the low C. If I had a seven-string, it would've just been an easy switch to CCFBbEbGC. But I don't.
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Post by: negative creep on 02 Sep 2008, 15:16
Gentlemen:
C G C G C E


What strength of strings would you use for that one?
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Post by: Harun on 02 Sep 2008, 15:25
.17's
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Post by: negative creep on 02 Sep 2008, 15:28
What do you mean? A set that starts with .17 or just 6 .17 strings? And wouldn't be a .17 string way to thick for a standard high E string?
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Post by: Thrillho on 02 Sep 2008, 15:43
You'd need to sort the bridge out, and carve the nut open a bit, but you could do it, yeah.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 02 Sep 2008, 15:44
I use it for acoustics, not electrics. Just pop on some heavy gauge acoustic strings and it works fine.
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Post by: negative creep on 02 Sep 2008, 15:50
Well, I don't have an acoustic, so that's that, I guess.

I still don't believe that you could tune a .17 string to a high E. On on of my guitars I have a .12 string as the highest, and if i tune that to E, the tension seems really high. I imagine with a .17 it would be to high?
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 02 Sep 2008, 17:53
It just works. I can't really explain it.

Alternately, you could do D A D A D F if that's easier to get to with lighter strings (which it is)...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: negative creep on 02 Sep 2008, 18:33
So basically this is a drop-tuning with the highest three stringes tuned up two, three and one halfsteps, respectively? Wile the C G C G C E is the same except that the highest string is tuned up two half steps? I'll try this tomorrow.
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Post by: Bearer on 02 Sep 2008, 21:27
no, no, G G D A E E is the way to go!  Madol-itar with double'd bass and high string!
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Post by: Spluff on 02 Sep 2008, 23:13
Nodaisho, that would still be an open G. The position goes by where the note that is furthest down the neck is - eg. a G barre chord would be in third position.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dystancholitects on 14 Sep 2008, 20:49
I'm looking for a new bass, preferably vintage, doesn't have to be in great or even good condition, as long as it plays...something I won't feel bad about beating up. Anyone have any suggestions? Two pickups would be ideal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 14 Sep 2008, 21:06
Wait dude, why would you want to buy a vintage bass (much more expensive, more brownie points) if you're looking for something you can beat on without worry?

Also, you're Kabir's new bassist right? (I'm a friend of his, Eugene, we used to play together and I know the rest of your bandmates)
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Post by: dystancholitects on 14 Sep 2008, 21:19
Wait dude, why would you want to buy a vintage bass (much more expensive, more brownie points) if you're looking for something you can beat on without worry?

Also, you're Kabir's new bassist right? (I'm a friend of his, Eugene, we used to play together and I know the rest of your bandmates)

Yeah, we talked on AIM last night.

I'm not looking for, like, a high-end vintage bass...more like a Univox or an old copy brand.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Sep 2008, 21:31
You guys, one of these is now mine:

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa100/xholycrapitsmattx/DSCN0590.jpg)

1970s Univox Echo-Tech EM 200 delay unit.  It's like an old tape delay, but instead of reel, it uses a magnetic disk and a couple of tape heads.  It makes awesome noises.  It was sitting in my friend's basement for forever, and his dad thought it was broken so he let me take it off his hands for fifty bucks and it works fine.  It adds some noise to my signal (a kind of dull hiss and a clicking noise), but other than that it works fantastic.  It's got an option for a footswitch, but that is long gone, I think.  The power switch isn't a bypass, either.  Which kind of irks me, but whatever.  It sounds better than my DOD FX90.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 14 Sep 2008, 21:42
Yeah, we talked on AIM last night.

I'm not looking for, like, a high-end vintage bass...more like a Univox or an old copy brand.

Oh fuck haha, I forgot for a minute that you were the bassist and not the drummer.

If you want funky vintage copies, check out Eastwood Guitars (http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/). I will never shut the fuck up about these guys; they make amazing instruments.

imapiratearg, huaglhuagl
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Post by: dystancholitects on 14 Sep 2008, 22:45
Yeah, we talked on AIM last night.

I'm not looking for, like, a high-end vintage bass...more like a Univox or an old copy brand.

Oh fuck haha, I forgot for a minute that you were the bassist and not the drummer.

If you want funky vintage copies, check out Eastwood Guitars (http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/). I will never shut the fuck up about these guys; they make amazing instruments.

imapiratearg, huaglhuagl

Woah, Eastwood makes a copy of the Hi-Flier I'm looking at. A bit above my price range, though. I'm looking to spend, like, $200.00, haha. I can get a Univox Rickenbacker copy....
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Post by: Ballard on 15 Sep 2008, 09:48
Oh man, these Univox Rics are all kinds of sexy.

See, the thing about Eastwood is that their copies aren't really copies. Pretty much all of their designs are based off shitty but cool looking no-name brand guitars from the 60s. These original guitars are now expensive out the ass simply because they're vintage, but they're no less playable. Most Airlines and Teiscos were made out of some crappy polycarbonate plastic type material. Eastwood makes quality instruments that look like these old designs. Their quality, however, is comparable at the very least to MIJ Fender instruments.

Have you ever played a Univox 4003 bass? Is it as nice as it looks?
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Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Sep 2008, 09:57
Man, I was looking for a used footswitch for the Echo-Tech I posted on the other page and I ran into a picture of a Univox Hi-Flier on a page that described artists who used their equipment (which included Man Or Astroman, Nirvana, Archers of Loaf, The Olivia Tremor Control, the Eels, and Lungfish) and now I'm really interested in finding one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Sep 2008, 10:35
Eastwood's copy is quite nice. I've played it before and almost bought one over my Telecaster.
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Post by: Tehz on 15 Sep 2008, 11:42
Well guys, I just took the plunge. Just moments ago, I bought a slightly used CIJ Jazzmaster off of eBay.

I know I was talking about how I'd much rather get a AVRI and everything before, but from what I've read the CIJ's are pretty nice and this one came with a whole bunch of modifications and extras; Lindy Fralin pickups, a buzzstop, a hardshell case, and the guy's local guitar tech modified the bridge just beforehand, all for a little over 900 bucks (free shipping, also). I'm fuckin' thrilled.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Kingofcarrotflowers on 15 Sep 2008, 19:42
Recommend me hollowbodys please? Preferably those of the less spacious variety ala Telecaster Thinline (except not a telecaster thinline).
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Post by: Tehz on 15 Sep 2008, 20:12
Here are a few options:

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/PRS-Guitars-SE-Custom-SemiHollow-Electric-Guitar?sku=514461 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/PRS-Guitars-SE-Custom-SemiHollow-Electric-Guitar?sku=514461)

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Hofner-CT-Club-SemiHollow-Electric-Guitar?sku=482168 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Hofner-CT-Club-SemiHollow-Electric-Guitar?sku=482168)

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/PRS-Guitars-SE-Custom-Semi-Hollow-Soapbar-Electric-Guitar?sku=515827 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/PRS-Guitars-SE-Custom-Semi-Hollow-Soapbar-Electric-Guitar?sku=515827)

Keep in mind that I found these after just poking around on Musician's Friend for a few minutes. I don't have any experience with any of them.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Sep 2008, 20:25
Recommend me hollowbodys please? Preferably those of the less spacious variety ala Telecaster Thinline (except not a telecaster thinline).

So, not the ES-335-type guitars?  'Cause that seems like you're cutting out a significant amount of options.  Particularly some good options.  Like Gretsch Electromatics and Epiphone Dots.
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Post by: sean on 15 Sep 2008, 20:29
Dear Matt,

Holy Shit I Want That.

Thanks,

Sean
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Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Sep 2008, 20:49
:D

It's pretty excellent.  I'm probably going to make a true bypass switch for it, as I've been kickin' around on the BYOC forums, and I'm in the middle of building myself a Tonebender MKII clone.
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Post by: doombilly on 16 Sep 2008, 05:39
Recommend me hollowbodys please?
Prolly find one of these used for pretty cheap.
http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar/product/Yamaha/AEX-500/10/1
I've had one for about 10 years w/o a problem.

(http://www.keyboards.pl/yamaha/gitary/elektryczne/aex500_medium_jpg.jpg)

but then it is probably a bit more like playing an acoustic than you are looking...

EDITO!~`^&*

Hey guys. I got my Acoustic Black Widow (http://www.tymguitars.com.au/images/mosriteinfo/m_black_widow.jpg) back from the shop. My rock is infinitely cooler now. Note: that isn't a pic of mine. But is more or less what it looks like. Mine has some serious ding dongs on the back of the neck but looks infinitely shinier and sexxy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 23 Sep 2008, 14:51
My Jazzy arrived today.

holy shit holy shit holy shit holy shit guys it is awesome
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Post by: Walter Kovacs on 23 Sep 2008, 15:27
My Jazzy arrived today.

holy shit holy shit holy shit holy shit guys it is awesome

I don't really know to much about them. Care to talk about how awesome it is and why? A whole lot of bands I like use them so I'm interested.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Sep 2008, 19:33
My Jazzy arrived today.

holy shit holy shit holy shit holy shit guys it is awesome

RRAAAAAAAGE

So jealous.
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Post by: valley_parade on 25 Sep 2008, 10:19
Are you talking about the Deluxe Reverb? I believe it's somewhere in the range of 20-25 watts. It should be loud enough for small venues, but if not, you can always mic it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 25 Sep 2008, 11:01
If you want the 40 watts, there's always the Hot Rod Deluxe. It's around the same price as the Deluxe Reverb.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 25 Sep 2008, 16:49
I've got the slightly bigger version of the Hot Rod Deluxe, the Hot Rod Deville, and that doesn't break up on the clean until about 4, but that's way more than enough for a small venue.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 25 Sep 2008, 21:55
*Cough sell it to me cough.*

Seriously, though.  I need a keyboard.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 26 Sep 2008, 06:56
The Hot Rod is awesome, but there's not much reverb built-in - you might need a pedal if you're a reverb freak like myself.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Sep 2008, 09:10
Or he could get one of those Fender reverb units (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-63-Fender-Reverb?sku=480553).

Then again, if you want a lot of clean and a lot of headroom, you could look at a Roland JC-120 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-JC120-Jazz-Chorus-Amp?sku=480003).  It's sort of like two independent 60-watt solid state amps in one, but I've heard it said these are the cleanest amps you'll ever hear.
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Post by: valley_parade on 26 Sep 2008, 09:35
Speaking of Fender..look's like the TC-90's back in production..kinda. As a signature model for the guitarist from Jimmy Eat World.

http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0262350538
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Post by: Ballard on 26 Sep 2008, 12:38
Meh, that's more of a Thinline Tele than a TC-90. What with the single-cutaway and the pick-up switch on the upper bout.

It's pretty for a pop punk guitarist's signature model, though. I expected far worse.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Sep 2008, 21:21
It's pretty for a pop punk guitarist's signature model, though. I expected far worse.

I wouldn't really call Jimmy Eat World "pop punk."  Certainly pop, though.  I thought it was nice guitar, though.
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Post by: Lummer on 27 Sep 2008, 13:40
Hey guys!

I sold my Melody Maker yesterday, and bought this:

(http://es.woodbrass.com/images/woodbrass/WASHBURN+WI66PROFHB.JPG)

This is one HELL of a guitar, for a ridiculously low price. Duncans and all!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Touch Me Im Sick on 27 Sep 2008, 15:44
Idols look awesome. What Duncans does it have?


Either way, the Billy Corgan Strat looks orgasmically awesome. Too bad I don't have the $1200 to buy it
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 27 Sep 2008, 18:00
Lummer, how does it play?  I've only ever heard negative things about Washburn...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tomselleck69 on 27 Sep 2008, 20:37
My first non-rental guitar was a Washburn, and it served me just fine. Never played one that has been worthy of an overly negative review, and they're absolute steals at the prices they go for.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Sep 2008, 21:51
Washburn make pretty solid acoustic guitars for pretty inexpensive prices.  I haven't heard much about their electrics, but that might be because people just don't pick them up.  I don't know.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 27 Sep 2008, 23:07
Washburn deliver generally good electrics at a cheap price.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 28 Sep 2008, 04:53
The Pickups are a Seymour Duncan Custom Custom (I know nothing of this one) and a '59 in the neck position.

It played really well at the store, but I liked it a ton better when I slapped on a new set of 10-52 Ernie Ball Slinkys. Overall, I'm really happy with it, even though the VCC system in it is utterly useless.
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Post by: valley_parade on 02 Oct 2008, 10:13
Dear PRS,

FUCKING WANT (http://prsguitars.com/starla/index.html)

(http://prsguitars.com/starla/img/main1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 02 Oct 2008, 10:55
WHAT

Wow, thanks PRS, for the second guitar from your company that doesn't look like total ass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Oct 2008, 11:30
They've got faux-vintage down pretty solid. MOAR, PRS. MOAR.

(um and an SE model please of this or the Mira please?)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 03 Oct 2008, 15:24
Well, I'm switching from bass to guitar in my band.  As a result, I'm selling all my backup basses and buying a new guitar.  Any recommendations? 

Here's the skinny- We play a type of jazzy-bluesy rock.  Our guitar tone is always straight into the amp, no distortion except for what occurs naturally, and then leave it the hell alone.  I really dig semi-hollows and thin hollowbodies, and am looking for something with some hotter pickups.  I have an Epiphone dot right now that I like, but the pickups are a little lacking and the neck is thick as hell.  I'm leaning toward an Epi Casino, though I haven't tried one yet.  I may also ask Subway guitars to make me one of their Casino clones, though I'm a little leery of buying a guitar made of used parts over the internet that I don't get to try first.  Trying to stay under $1K, and I don't care where or when it was made; vintage is good, new is good, USA, Korea, whatever...

Any semi or fully hollow recommendations you can make would be appreciated. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Oct 2008, 16:08
Well, you could swap the pickups out of the Dot for some that suit your taste a bit more.

Another suggestion is the Hagstrom Viking.  It's a lot like the dot, and you can get a P90 version.  If you don't mind guitars with a bit of extra bulk on them, Gretsch make some pretty solid guitars, and pretty much all of them come with a Bigsby vibrato.  The G5122 Electromatic is pretty great.

If you want something with a little more twang, you could try a Fender '72 Telecaster Thinline Deluxe, but you'll want to swap the pots out with 500k ohm or 1MEG ohm pots.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 03 Oct 2008, 16:29
Regardless of what I do, I am switching out the pickups in the Dot.  I've thought about some SD phat cats or something similar in that vein.  I've had my eye on a viking for a bit.  I didn't realize tehy had a model that came with p90s.  It looks nice; although I'de prefer the trapeze tailpiece.  The electromatic is a damn fine guitar for the money.  Good suggestions.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Oct 2008, 17:17
Yeah, I love the Electromatic, but it's just really bulky with the Bigsby and the massive pickup casings.
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Post by: Jace on 07 Oct 2008, 09:25
I used to play this one, which sucked and I use it when I'm learning something or messing around:
(http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/r3an1m4t3d/guitar.jpg)

I bought this one on Sunday:
(http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/r3an1m4t3d/guitar2.jpg)


I like it a lot more. It actually sounds good since the bridge isn't coming off of the guitar completely.
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Post by: hellion on 07 Oct 2008, 13:44
Finally got one of my dream guitars,

(http://www.bonnersmusic.co.uk/file_store/28778.jpg)

I already have dual EMG 81's loaded up.
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Post by: Spluff on 07 Oct 2008, 22:14
I have guitar envy. Though not of the EMGs, I've got those in one of my guitars already, and am probably going to swap 'em out if I ever get around to it.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Oct 2008, 17:57
Does anyone have any experience with Agile Guitars?  I've heard they're quite good, but I just want to hear more opinions.

'Cause I want this:

(http://www.rondomusic.net/photos/electric/as820anat1.jpg)
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Oct 2008, 03:52
I've seen some really good reviews on Harmony Central for that guitar.

I don't know of any stores around me that sell them, though. I'd quite like to play one.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Oct 2008, 07:46
Yeah, I'm finding real positive reviews on the internets.  I guess they're B-Stock guitars or something.  Well constructed, but cheap material.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Oct 2008, 07:54
I've seen some videos on YouTube of guys running their Les Paul clones side by side with Gibson standards, and uh..they sound REALLY GOOD.

Nevermind that you can get them for a little less than Epiphones. And they look pretty fucking ace (http://www.rondomusic.com/al3100mop.html).
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Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Oct 2008, 08:03
Yeah, they do.  I'm just a tiny bit apprehensive, 'cause it almost sounds too good to be true.  I found a video on YouTube of a dude playing the ES-335 clone into a Twin and it sounded pretty rad.
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Post by: Chad K. on 09 Oct 2008, 12:35
Rondo Music who carries Agile has an excellent reputation for buying quality, inexpensive guitars.  They routinely send back shipments of guitars that aren't up to snuff, and apparently are very good at customer service.  There are pros that swear by their SX basses, which are generally less than $200.  Admittedly, the pickups and hardware aren't all absolute top notch, but they are very good. 
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Post by: Lummer on 10 Oct 2008, 01:11
The Interceptor and Septor 7-strings also have pretty much their own religious cult, over at sevenstring.org. I'd say go for it.
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Post by: valley_parade on 11 Oct 2008, 09:28
I'm changing my mind on "relic" guitars. This (http://cgi.ebay.com/FENDER-SQUIRE-THINLINE-TELE-TELECASTER-GUITAR-RELIC_W0QQitemZ280273741849QQihZ018QQcategoryZ2384QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262) thing is utterly fucking destroyed. There's a really fine line between a beat-up guitar looking great, and..well..that.
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Post by: Ballard on 11 Oct 2008, 11:05
Having worked in a shop that specialized in relic'ing guitars, I can tell you that the guy did a pretty shoddy job.
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Post by: valley_parade on 12 Oct 2008, 07:58
The funny thing is that he's also selling a reliced Squier Duo-Sonic that looks great.
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Post by: Thrillho on 12 Oct 2008, 08:37
I fucking despise relic-ing. Have we had this discussion already?
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Post by: valley_parade on 12 Oct 2008, 08:39
I vaugely remember something about reliced ESPs setting off a shitstorm.
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Post by: Ballard on 12 Oct 2008, 13:03
Wait, what?

Link please.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 13 Oct 2008, 02:31
Well guys, I just took the plunge. Just moments ago, I bought a slightly used CIJ Jazzmaster off of eBay.

I know I was talking about how I'd much rather get a AVRI and everything before,
Practically every Japanese Fender I've played has been better than practically every American one.  Y're getting one with after market p/u, which are the only consideration on the jazzmaster, too.  Congratulations!

Also, I can totally second Rondo Music.  I got one of their funny jazzmaster copies because I wanted a guitar for an alternate tuning, and other than the goofy hi-sparkle finish and shoddy pickup mounting and tailpiece, it's pretty near perfect.  Not really the sort of things to consider problems on a $140 guitar.
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Post by: FireAarro on 13 Oct 2008, 03:20
Sounds good Tehz, Fralins are great pickups. Check the bridge thing and the buzz stop, some guitar techs fuck up Jazzmasters and Jaguars good trying to "fix" them. I personally am not a fan of buzz stops- my Jaguar came with one and it sounds livelier without, and the vibrato works better. If the bridge is stuck still I'd consider that to be a bad thing, it was designed to rock (back and forth). But as long as everything works fine you should be right.

Beastmouth, the only other consideration (electronics excluded) is the vibrato tailpiece, which is far superior on the AVRIs. It gets a lot of use on my AVRI but I never touch it on CIJs.
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Post by: Tehz on 13 Oct 2008, 08:31
Despite having the buzzstop and everything, I'm still getting buzz. I'm probably gonna take Belinda (I named it already :P) to a local shop and get 'er set up sometime soon; while it's there I'll probably ask for them to remove the buzzstop also, just to see what the difference is.
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Post by: FireAarro on 14 Oct 2008, 00:40
Can you tell where the buzz is coming from? The main source I've found is from the bridge posts vibrating against the bridge holder cups. A single layer of tape around the posts will stop this by preventing metal on metal contact. How's the guitar? Was the name choice at all influenced by Bilinda Butcher or am I way off? :P
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Post by: VanHorneDog on 14 Oct 2008, 00:46
recently, my neck of my Martin came off the body of my guitar (yes i dropped it).

anyway, she is all fixed but the guy who set it back up lowered the action too much... im used to high action and it is so low that its even lower than my les paul... death to this tech guy. now i have to fucking set it up again!

/angry rant

that said, he did a nice job of resetting the neck.
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Post by: valley_parade on 14 Oct 2008, 03:49
Wait, what?

Link please.

(http://espguitars.com/images/guitars/EC-256_AVB.jpg)
(http://espguitars.com/images/guitars/GL-56.jpg)
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Post by: David_Dovey on 14 Oct 2008, 05:44
The Eclipse is nice, but that fake-strat is fucking godawful.

Generally relicing is fucking dumb when the actual guitar manufacturer does it, but I had no idea that there were people who actually (attempted) to make a living over beating the shit out of guitars. Seriously, there is something wrong with the world.
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Post by: Thrillho on 14 Oct 2008, 05:46
It's synthesising character, basically. It's a complete crock.
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Post by: valley_parade on 14 Oct 2008, 08:06
The Eclipse is nice, but that fake-strat is fucking godawful.

I'll raise you Fender's Rory Gallagher CS Strat. I don't know why they even bothered finishing it at all.

http://www.fender.com/customshop/instruments/search.php?partno=0150080800
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Post by: Tehz on 14 Oct 2008, 14:11
Can you tell where the buzz is coming from? The main source I've found is from the bridge posts vibrating against the bridge holder cups. A single layer of tape around the posts will stop this by preventing metal on metal contact. How's the guitar? Was the name choice at all influenced by Bilinda Butcher or am I way off? :P

Seems to be coming from the bridge, mostly. I removed the buzzstop last night and the buzzing got much worse; the guitar plays different now also (at least it seems that way to me), so when I get it set up sometime during the next week or so I'll inquire about the bridge and probably ask if they could put the buzzstop back on. I might try heavier gauge strings also (11's, probably).

And yeah, Belinda Butcher. I felt that it was appropriate.  :-D

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Post by: FireAarro on 15 Oct 2008, 04:14
Yeah, it definitely does play differently with and without the buzz stop. With the buzz stop you get some sustain and a more solid feel I think, but you lose some of the airiness and life in the sound... I dig the short sustain thing the Jazzmasters and especially Jaguars have going for them. 11s are recommended for Jazzmaster by most players, but I have 10s on mine right now, will get 11s on next time. I think her name is spelt Bilinda with an i in there. By the way, if you find the buzz is coming from the saddles, especially if the saddles seem to lower themselves as you play by way of the screws working themselves out, this usually stops happening after time (with bridge gunk) or if you put some loctite (not the high strength one) on them they'll stick enough to not move round but still be adjustable. If you need any more info about Jazzmasters and stuff  http://www.offsetguitars.com is a good little forum which I frequent. Hope you're enjoying the guitar :D
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Post by: Beastmouth on 16 Oct 2008, 22:05
Sounds good Tehz, Fralins are great pickups. Check the bridge thing and the buzz stop, some guitar techs fuck up Jazzmasters and Jaguars good trying to "fix" them. I personally am not a fan of buzz stops- my Jaguar came with one and it sounds livelier without, and the vibrato works better. If the bridge is stuck still I'd consider that to be a bad thing, it was designed to rock (back and forth). But as long as everything works fine you should be right.

Beastmouth, the only other consideration (electronics excluded) is the vibrato tailpiece, which is far superior on the AVRIs. It gets a lot of use on my AVRI but I never touch it on CIJs.
Makes sense.  The copy on my SX (rondo) is so horrendous.  I get maybe +/- 2 cents from it.  Despite it being a lefty, I plan to see about replacing it with an American Fender one when I get around to replacing the bridge p/u.  I've just got so much other stuff to get, like a neck for a lefty Strat body I got for free.  Oh, and I need to get another keyboard stand so my new (older than I am) DX-7 can hang out with my PolySix. 

On the buzzstop issue, fuck that noise.  The beauty of the Jazzmaster/Jaguar design is that it's like a violin : the distance from the tail to the bridge is 1/6 that of the bridge to the nut.  Coincidentally, the inability of anyone under 3m tall to hold a viola built to similar specifications led to it being constructed differently, and generally sounding like wet shit. 

P.S. if y'all wanna get into vintage instruments, forget guitars.  Go for some awesome synths.  As a bonus, you'll usually get a huge difference in sound, even between similar types.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 18 Oct 2008, 15:19
So I did none of what I said I would and just put some .11's on my Jazzmaster, and I love it three times more than I did before I even took the buzzstop off. It sounds and plays better than it ever has now, and I didn't even get a set-up or anything.

So yeah, just putting heavier strings on was definitely the way to go.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 18 Oct 2008, 23:22
Everything sounds better with .11s on it, even bass!  As a matter of fact, I leave an extra set sittin on my synth just for extra tone! 
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Post by: Bearer on 19 Oct 2008, 09:23
Everything sounds better with .11s on it, even bass!  As a matter of fact, I leave an extra set sittin on my synth just for extra tone! 

Quoted for truth, I've got .11's on my strat and it sounds juicy.  Though, that being said, I have .10's on My Firebird and it, of course, is pure sex.  I'm actually thinking of putting the Red David Gilmour set of GHS Boomers (http://www.stringsandbeyond.com/dagisielgust.html) on my bird next time I change them, see how they sound; they're basically tens after all.
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Post by: Touch Me Im Sick on 19 Oct 2008, 20:43
I use 10s, even when I tune my low E down to B. Then I can get these crazy bends that are like 3 steps up
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Post by: greenMonkey on 19 Oct 2008, 20:45
I've been thinking of switching to .10's on my Dano.  I've got .11's on there now, and they sound pretty good, but when I play barre chords (which I do a lot, I'm mostly rhythm) they sound mushy, and eventually my thumb gets really really tired.  And seeing as the U-1 is a tiny guitar any way, it seems reasonable that it could take lighter strings.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 19 Oct 2008, 21:03
I like tens, bright with a nice, warm tone.
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Post by: Christophe on 20 Oct 2008, 00:21
I use .9s on my guitar because I'm a PUSSY but I'm a bit scared of fussing with the truss rod (and possibly having to grind the nut or fix the intonation) to go up in gauge. Are there any ways to make upgrading string gauge not a horrendous ordeal (if it is one at all)?
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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Oct 2008, 00:33
I was used to 12s for a while, and I've still got them on my Firebird. My Tele Custom came stock with 9s, and I've become REALLY used to them, to the point where the 12s only feel comfortable downtuned.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 20 Oct 2008, 03:10
Yeah, for a while I had .13's downtuned to C standard, and I was so used to them that when I got lighter gauge strings I destroyed like three sets in two weeks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 20 Oct 2008, 18:45
While I agree wholeheartedly that .11s are superior to .10s, they are a bit excessive considering the kind of music I play (poppy psychedelic stuff and blues rock, primarily). I find that because my fingers are more used to the lighter gauge, I get a nicer tone out of them.

I love how we come back to the string gauge pissing contest every 10-odd pages.
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Post by: Patrick on 21 Oct 2008, 02:13
recently, my neck of my Martin came off the body of my guitar (yes i dropped it).

anyway, she is all fixed but the guy who set it back up lowered the action too much... im used to high action and it is so low that its even lower than my les paul...

Man how is this a bad thing.

I got my AVRI Jaguar at the beginning of September. This thing is absolutely everything I ever wanted. Bright, snappy pickup response sortof like a Telecaster, but with the added benefit of a rock-solid tremolo and a rhythm circuit (and the sawtooth 'keeper' surrounding the pickup does wonders in avoiding that 60-cycle hum). So when I finally managed to sell my SG shortly after, I didn't really miss her that much.

Some interesting quirks about this guitar are mostly related to string changing. For example, the tuners are true to the original in that they don't have a hole drilled perpendicular to the post, but rather drilled from the top as if to make it into a thick-walled cylinder. The very tip of the post also has a groove cut into the top. It makes string changing a bitch and a half, because it involves taking the string, wrapping it around the post 3 times, cutting it so that there's a maximum of 3cm left, and then sticking the cut-off end into the hole. It's a goddamned pain, I don't know what the fuck Leo Fender was thinking when he designed it. A side note, though: in terms of tuning stability, they're rock solid. No complaints there, and it's pretty well worth it.

Another interesting thing is that with the 24" scale, it takes less effort to bend notes. That also means there's less string fatigue, and so your strings pretty much last as long as you're willing to let them. Which is nice, because I will never get over how much of a pain in the ass it is to restring the fucker.

Another sortof weird quirk is that after you've gone through the absolute agony of restringing, tuning up, stretching your strings and then retuning, you have to divebomb the tremolo bar all the way to the body and center the bridge, then ease up on the tremolo slowly. Otherwise, with the bridge doing that floaty thing that it does so well, you're going to wind up with the bridge leaning ever so slightly toward the nut. And if you don't know better, you're just going to think that you're having intonation issues, and you'll wind up making a hell of a lot of work for yourself.

Aside from that, it's absolutely the finest instrument I've ever laid hands on. The neck shape is perfect for my hand, I have no fret access issues on the upper frets, and I will be damned if you can find me an instrument with better looks than these.

Oh and I -really- love playing "Impossible Germany" and "Little Wing".
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 21 Oct 2008, 04:17
recently, my neck of my Martin came off the body of my guitar (yes i dropped it).

anyway, she is all fixed but the guy who set it back up lowered the action too much... im used to high action and it is so low that its even lower than my les paul...

Man how is this a bad thing.

I got my AVRI Jaguar at the beginning of September. This thing is absolutely everything I ever wanted. Bright, snappy pickup response sortof like a Telecaster, but with the added benefit of a rock-solid tremolo and a rhythm circuit (and the sawtooth 'keeper' surrounding the pickup does wonders in avoiding that 60-cycle hum). So when I finally managed to sell my SG shortly after, I didn't really miss her that much.

Some interesting quirks about this guitar are mostly related to string changing. For example, the tuners are true to the original in that they don't have a hole drilled perpendicular to the post, but rather drilled from the top as if to make it into a thick-walled cylinder. The very tip of the post also has a groove cut into the top. It makes string changing a bitch and a half, because it involves taking the string, wrapping it around the post 3 times, cutting it so that there's a maximum of 3cm left, and then sticking the cut-off end into the hole. It's a goddamned pain, I don't know what the fuck Leo Fender was thinking when he designed it. A side note, though: in terms of tuning stability, they're rock solid. No complaints there, and it's pretty well worth it.

Another interesting thing is that with the 24" scale, it takes less effort to bend notes. That also means there's less string fatigue, and so your strings pretty much last as long as you're willing to let them. Which is nice, because I will never get over how much of a pain in the ass it is to restring the fucker.

Another sortof weird quirk is that after you've gone through the absolute agony of restringing, tuning up, stretching your strings and then retuning, you have to divebomb the tremolo bar all the way to the body and center the bridge, then ease up on the tremolo slowly. Otherwise, with the bridge doing that floaty thing that it does so well, you're going to wind up with the bridge leaning ever so slightly toward the nut. And if you don't know better, you're just going to think that you're having intonation issues, and you'll wind up making a hell of a lot of work for yourself.

Aside from that, it's absolutely the finest instrument I've ever laid hands on. The neck shape is perfect for my hand, I have no fret access issues on the upper frets, and I will be damned if you can find me an instrument with better looks than these.

Oh and I -really- love playing "Impossible Germany" and "Little Wing".

AVRI JAGUAR CLUB HI 5

Man the tuners are the bomb. The trick is to pull the string two tuners past the string post, then clip it, then just stick it in the hole and wind. Easy as pie, sure beats the stupid pokey hole Gibsons and newer Fenders have.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Oct 2008, 05:16
While I agree wholeheartedly that .11s are superior to .10s, they are a bit excessive considering the kind of music I play (poppy psychedelic stuff and blues rock, primarily). I find that because my fingers are more used to the lighter gauge, I get a nicer tone out of them.

I love how we come back to the string gauge pissing contest every 10-odd pages.

Isn't playing 9s more of a weak stream than say, challenge pissing?
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Post by: Thrillho on 21 Oct 2008, 06:04
 :roll:
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Post by: Ballard on 21 Oct 2008, 11:18
.8s = gout
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Post by: Patrick on 21 Oct 2008, 13:16
AVRI JAGUAR CLUB HI 5

Man the tuners are the bomb. The trick is to pull the string two tuners past the string post, then clip it, then just stick it in the hole and wind. Easy as pie, sure beats the stupid pokey hole Gibsons and newer Fenders have.

FUCK YEAH AVRI JAGS o/

That seems a hell of a lot easier than what I've been doing, for sure. And don't get me wrong, the little pokey hole on the newer-style tuners works fine, and I'm just bitching because I'm not used to the vintage ones. Mostly I just hate having to hold my thumb atop the string to keep the little bastard from falling out of the post hole.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 22 Oct 2008, 00:29
Anyone have any hand-on experience with the jaguar hh? Is it as good as the avri? Also...

THIS JUST IN:

Got my strat re-fretted, action adjusted, new set of strings, the finish on the neck cleaned and DAMN DO I FEEL GOOD.

Plays like an absolute dream now.

MORE AT 10!
How much did the refret set you back?
I'm wondering if I should get one for my homemade tele or just do it myself.  I already made a fretpuller to get them out on an old Squier P bass I made fretless, but filling in with wood-filler obv leaves more room for screwups than putting frets back on. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 22 Oct 2008, 03:26
At my school in the common room, somebody from a past year left behind an old guitar, a spider bridge resonator type guitar labeled as a 'Wayne Amplyphone'.  It plays like crap: the machine heads squeak and groan when tuning, its missing a fret, there is irritating buzz from the nut, and the strings feel like they are years old, but the guitar still intrigues me (probably because I get massive hard-ons for resonators/dobros). I haven't tried playing slide on it yet, as I only found it yesterday, but I'll try that out tomorrow and see how it goes.

This is what it looks like (google brought me this image).

(http://www.guitarcrazy.com.au/images/Inventory/Guitars/More%20Semi&Acoustic/Wayne_Amplyphone.jpg)

According to the limited information I could find, these guitars were made in Melbourne for only a short period in the 60s and 70s, and I'm wondering if all this guitar needs is a good set up. I'll see what I can do for this guitar and if it cleans up nicely, I've scored myself a resonator guys.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Oct 2008, 12:57
The thing I'd worry about with refretting is that fretwire has those little barbs that help them stick into the wood of your fretboard, and pulling frets can really fuck your shit up if you don't do it right. So leaving it to the pros is probably the better investment anyway. I'd probably off myself if I went and I fucked up the fretboard on a '69 vintage Olympic white Strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 23 Oct 2008, 00:10
The thing I'd worry about with refretting is that fretwire has those little barbs that help them stick into the wood of your fretboard, and pulling frets can really fuck your shit up if you don't do it right. So leaving it to the pros is probably the better investment anyway. I'd probably off myself if I went and I fucked up the fretboard on a '69 vintage Olympic white Strat.
But you wouldn't even use 12000 grit to smooth the back of your neck!  :-p

Also, guess I'd better buy some fretwire.  To get them out I'll use my soldering iron to heat them, and have a chat with some luthier pals...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 30 Oct 2008, 19:11
Whoa whoa whoa this thread cannot die.

Recommend me acoustics up to $500.  Anyone have/know of any good ones?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 30 Oct 2008, 19:49
Alvarez sound really good and tend to be less than $500. Also, Seagulls sound good.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 30 Oct 2008, 20:08
Just don't go for the low-end Seagulls. They look nice but sound kind of weak.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Touch Me Im Sick on 30 Oct 2008, 21:02
I like the sound of my Ovation CC24 Celebrity, and I got that for only $300
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 30 Oct 2008, 22:23
Only get an Ovation if you want to sound like you're playing rubber bands stretched over a cookie tin.  Seriously, I've heard some Ovations, and they sound tinny and thin.  I definitely second Alvarez acoustics.  They are fantastic for their price.  I found one that was all mahogany (I think) in a dark sunburst, and it had the nicest, most mellow and warm tone ever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 31 Oct 2008, 03:40
I got my '53 Kay flattop for $200 even on eBay. eBay is definitely a legit option, as long as you're willing and ready to do a little bit of setup and/or salvage work just in case you don't quite get as good a deal as you think you're getting.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 31 Oct 2008, 05:25
Whoa whoa whoa this thread cannot die.

Recommend me acoustics up to $500.  Anyone have/know of any good ones?

We kinda took over the Pedal thread with Jazzmaster porn. Speaking of, I am going to build a custom Jazzmaster clone in the spring! Turns out Fender never actually made them in Sherwood Green Metallic, but I am.

..Have any of you guys finished a body before? It's going to be a completely new experience for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 31 Oct 2008, 05:51
Ugh, Ovations are a terrible idea. I second the rubber-band/cookie tin sound, those things are terrible. Also, my friend has one and the top split from the plastic bowl because of a heat wave in the middle of winter, so if you live in a place where the climate changes a lot, I wouldn't recommend it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tuna ketchup x on 31 Oct 2008, 06:19
Wait dude, why would you want to buy a vintage bass (much more expensive, more brownie points) if you're looking for something you can beat on without worry?

Also, you're Kabir's new bassist right? (I'm a friend of his, Eugene, we used to play together and I know the rest of your bandmates)

Yeah, we talked on AIM last night.

I'm not looking for, like, a high-end vintage bass...more like a Univox or an old copy brand.

Don't know if you're still looking but... you can get a cheap Epiphone for $150 new. This is not the one I have but you can see what I mean. (http://bass-guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-EB0-Electric-Bass?sku=518523) Then use it to experiment and figure out what you really want in a bass. I don't think any vintage bass is going to be as cheap as an off-brand or B-stock and then you can customize to your preferences. I'm still playing my Epiphone without any alterations (except new strings!) and it sounds fine to me. I'm still a beginner on the bass.

Any opinions here on the Ibanez Jet King (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-JTK4-Electric-Guitar?sku=518058)? I've heard it's really customizable and good for noisy shit. And of course, the fact that it looks like a Jazzmaster at a non-Jazzmaster cost doesn't hurt. So far I can't find any stores around that sell them, the local place is nothing but Strat copies. It seems like something that might be more gloss than substance, but considering that I'm going to be routing the sound through two distortion pedals and a dirty speaker anyway, that might not make a difference.

But speaking of Strat copies, I'm thinking of pulling mine down from the attic and making some radical alterations to it, which will probably destroy the guitar completely but I've always wanted to look inside one of those things. The local store will only give me $20 trade-in for it, so why not?

Also, I am getting my first proper amp! A Crate 18 watt 2 speaker tube amp. I have always wanted a tube amp and I am so excited.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 31 Oct 2008, 06:35
Man, I don't know what you're all talking about.  I've got an Ovation CC11 Celebrity and it sounds great.  It's out of production now though...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 31 Oct 2008, 06:42
I played the black Jet King in the store and it was pretty awesome. The fretboard was really nice, and played well... It's got some really nice features, like being able to coil-tap the humbuckers to single coils so there were a lot of possibilities - jangly, dark, lots of sustain, it's all there. It's one of those guitars that I'd buy if I suddenly came into some money (Christmas bonus, perhaps?) plus it looks hella cool, kind of like an airline map or something. The downsides were that it was kind of noisy and the tailpiece was really weird, but I like noisy and weird is good with me too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 31 Oct 2008, 07:33
Man, I don't know what you're all talking about.  I've got an Ovation CC11 Celebrity and it sounds great.  It's out of production now though...

I don't know.  The top end models seem to sound alright, but cheaper models sound like tin cans.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 31 Oct 2008, 07:39
They only sound good to my ears when they're plugged in. And even then it's nowhere near as beautiful sounding as a full-bodied acoustic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 31 Oct 2008, 23:02
Not gonna lie, best-sounding guitar I've ever played (other than my dad's '37 Kay) was my friend's teacher's Breedlove. That is about as unhelpful as one can get when you're talking about a $300 budget, but god damn, those things are art in every possible way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DarkAvenger on 01 Nov 2008, 11:51
This is what I play:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/DarkAvenger280/p38449.jpg)

Since I've only been playing for about two months I have no idea about most of what you guys are talking about, but I have been thinking about switching out the pickups. Any suggestions?

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Nov 2008, 12:02
Why?  They're Duncans, right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DarkAvenger on 01 Nov 2008, 12:20
Yeah both Duncan P90s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Nov 2008, 12:41
What don't you like about them?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DarkAvenger on 01 Nov 2008, 12:52
Well the neck pickup works great, I just don't see much of a difference between it and the bridge. So basically when I play I really just use the neck, and completely ignore the other.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Nov 2008, 13:46
Man that is a really nice looking guitar. I may just have to find $230 and pick it up as a back-up guitar that I can beat around.

With all due respect DarkAvenger, if you've only been playing for two months you probably don't hear the difference out of lack of experience, not because the pick-ups suck. I was probably playing for over a year when I realized the intricate differences as well as the obvious ones between bridge and neck positions.

They're not meant to sound completely, drastically different. One is treblier and hotter and the other is bassier and darker but in ways that don't strike you full-on.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DarkAvenger on 01 Nov 2008, 14:30
I completely understand. Experience and possibly a better amp (I use a Fender Frontman 15g that I got from my dad) and I should be able to appreciate the difference. Pickups shall stay.

Also I only paid about $150 for it, and have had no other problems.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Nov 2008, 14:38
Oh lord yeah. That amp has two sounds: "over-trebly squeegee clean" and "mind-numbingly distorted"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DarkAvenger on 01 Nov 2008, 14:48
Worst thing is it also has only two volume settings: "Am I even plugged in?" and "HOLY SHIT MY EARS ARE BLEEDING". I'm thinking about saving up for a Line 6 Spider III 15, as a practice amp and eventually upgrade from that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Nov 2008, 15:01
Get an Epiphone Valve Junior.  Or, These (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crate-V-Series-V50112-50W-1x12-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=487054) are pretty cheap and sound fantastic, according to this (http://www.gearwire.com/crate-v50112-demo.html) Gearwire walkthrough.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Nov 2008, 15:13
I wanted a Valve Jr. really bad at one point and after meticulous research decided that the Blackheart Little Giant (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Blackheart-BH5H-and-BH112-Half-Stack?sku=483078) half-stack is more worth it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 01 Nov 2008, 15:40
My friend uses that Blackheart cab with his Tiny Terror.  It's pretty great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Nov 2008, 16:24
Actually, I want a Tiny Terror too. But I'd use that as a live amp, most likely with an Orange cab. The Blackheart I want as a practice amp, 'cause my current practice gear suuucks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Xaris3514 on 01 Nov 2008, 16:25
Speaking of amps, can anyone suggest a good low budget upgrade from the Bassola 10 that came with my Dean Edge 09?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 01 Nov 2008, 20:20
Likewise, while we're on the topic of amps:

I'd like someone to recommend me an amp of 50+ watts that'll produce a lead tone that sounds-quite-distorted-but-really-isn't-that-much, if you know what I'm talking about. Think about the kind of hard rock tone used for bluesy leads that emphasises the mids and trebles. A tone that's not too smooth, but quite controlled.
The lead guitar tone of Angus Young is a good reference point.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 01 Nov 2008, 20:33
That's pretty easy, get yourself a good old Marshall tube amp (stay the hell away from things like MGs) and crank it - or use an overdrive pedal if you don't want to deafen everybody in a mile radius. Angus Young used mainly JTM series amps, if I remember right.

[EDIT - I think he also used JMPs sometimes.]
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Nov 2008, 23:29
Since I've only been playing for about two months I have no idea about most of what you guys are talking about, but I have been thinking about switching out the pickups. Any suggestions?

Suggestion: give them to me, holy shit I would love to stick them in my battered old Squier Bullet. It'd take a little bit of routing (LOL, "BIT"), but it'd be SO WORTH IT.

EDIT for repost of a picture I posted in the Pedal thread:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2765.jpg)

Sup guys, I has Jag.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 01 Nov 2008, 23:35
That's pretty easy, get yourself a good old Marshall tube amp (stay the hell away from things like MGs) and crank it - or use an overdrive pedal if you don't want to deafen everybody in a mile radius. Angus Young used mainly JTM series amps, if I remember right.

[EDIT - I think he also used JMPs sometimes.]

While I'm willing to spend a fair bit of money, I do want to keep this reasonable. Marshall amps are quite pricey.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Nov 2008, 23:59
Well give us your budget and we'll give you some choices.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 02 Nov 2008, 03:58
In AUD, I'm looking at $2000, absolute tops, although something below that would be preferred.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Nov 2008, 04:28
What is that in real money?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 02 Nov 2008, 04:50
Going by current exchange rates?

Consider that $1300-1500 USD, tops.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Nov 2008, 04:51
This is what I play:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/DarkAvenger280/p38449.jpg)

Since I've only been playing for about two months I have no idea about most of what you guys are talking about, but I have been thinking about switching out the pickups. Any suggestions?



That's a nice fuckin' guitar.

No wonder you're unhappy though, P90s aren't exactly starter pickups. They're somewhat of an acquired taste.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Nov 2008, 07:06
Since I've only been playing for about two months I have no idea about most of what you guys are talking about, but I have been thinking about switching out the pickups. Any suggestions?

Suggestion: give them to me, holy shit I would love to stick them in my battered old Squier Bullet. It'd take a little bit of routing (LOL, "BIT"), but it'd be SO WORTH IT.

I think guitarfetish.com has Strat pickguards routed for p-90s, actually. Plus, as I'm sure you know, the Bullets are pool-routed.

(those Teles are pretty nice, IMO. My friend used one as his main axe on stage until he got the J5 Triple Deluxe)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Nov 2008, 08:40
Plus, as I'm sure you know, the Bullets are pool-routed.

I think I knew that but I'd forgotten, thanks for reminding me.

DarkAvenger I am serious about taking those pickups if you still don't want them. I would love them. I'll give you an address and everything.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 Nov 2008, 08:55
Dude the poor guy has been playing for two months. I doubt he knows how to adjust his action, much less fuck with the pick-up wiring. Quit eye-raping his P-90s.

As much as I like those (I'm actually thinking of picking one of these up to beat up on) let him keep his first guitar in one piece until he at least learns what to do with it. Over-complicating shit when you're first learning to play is the best way to burn out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: DarkAvenger on 02 Nov 2008, 10:46
Yeah no deal, I'm going to stick with the P90s. Probably going to take it slow and just learn to hear the differences. It's not that I don't like the sound it's just that I couldn't hear much of a difference between the two pickups, which will eventually change.

And you're right about not knowing how to adjust my action. But I'm really good at wiring, unless it's overly complicated.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 Nov 2008, 21:12
MadassAlex, get either an Orange Tiny Terror (http://humbuckermusic.com/ortitehe15wa.html)/PPC212 (http://humbuckermusic.com/or2xguitcab.html) half-stack or a Rocker 30 (http://humbuckermusic.com/orro30ap.html).

Orange is pretty much that same vintage British rock 'n' roll tone that Marshall amps have but heaps better.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 02 Nov 2008, 21:32
Thanks, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 02 Nov 2008, 21:42
Orange are pretty fantastic, I can back this recommendation.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Nov 2008, 07:36
Seriously, if you don't take that suggestion I'm going to be very disappointed in you. I wish I had $1300 to spend on an amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 03 Nov 2008, 07:52
On the subject of breaking yourself financially in order to get the gear you want, this is another picture of what I did with the vast majority of the money I made this summer:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2766.jpg)

I string her with 10s and I really like the way she sounds that way. Lots of people like to put ridiculously heavy strings on theirs but I like playing jangly shit anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 03 Nov 2008, 08:10
Those Orange amps are great, I played one at a guitar shop here and almost bought it, but it was too expensive. £600 here, or $600 for America...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 03 Nov 2008, 10:20
Just don't go for the low-end Seagulls. They look nice but sound kind of weak.
Yeah they play nice but sound not as good. It's a shame.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 03 Nov 2008, 13:48
Seriously, if you don't take that suggestion I'm going to be very disappointed in you. I wish I had $1300 to spend on an amp.

Stay tuned. Or not, it could be a while before I blow my cash.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 03 Nov 2008, 17:25
While on the topic of amps, I'm considering buying a Fender Blues Deluxe reissue. Good idea?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Nov 2008, 19:45
Yes.  I would love to upgrade to the Blues Deville (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVgfJiu5WVA).

Then again, the only difference appears to be the speakers.  Both amps have the same preamp and power tubes.  Man, now I'm lookin' at some Eminence Legends.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 03 Nov 2008, 20:02
oh patrick it is so hot
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 03 Nov 2008, 20:25
  Or, These (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crate-V-Series-V50112-50W-1x12-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=487054) are pretty cheap and sound fantastic, according to this (http://www.gearwire.com/crate-v50112-demo.html) Gearwire walkthrough.

I have one of these, It is LOUD, Little noisy too.
Sounds pretty good, Clean channel really shines.
Crunch channel falls flat IMO, Dial back the bass, Turn off the boost switch & put an OD out front & it wakes up tho.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Nov 2008, 20:33
Yeah, he mentions the bum distortion channel.  Basically, the only amps you should ever buy for the distortion channels are Marshall, Mesa, and Orange amps.  Unless you want to get into vintage stuff you can't find now like Matchless and Sovtek amps.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Nov 2008, 21:06
On what planet do Orange amps have distortion channels?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 03 Nov 2008, 21:12
What about Peavey? Randall?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 03 Nov 2008, 21:17
I've got a Music Man Sixty-Five 210, which is, interestingly enough, 65W thru 2 10" speakers.  The speakers were replaced before I got it, since it's so damn loud.  It's got 1 12AX7 in an otherwise solid preamp, and power section is 2 6L6's.  It's basically Music Man's mid-70's Twin Reverb, but it's dirtier than Fenders tend to be.  Plus, <3 Vibrato and 2-spring verb tank. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 03 Nov 2008, 23:53
I did a quick Google search for one and there's one in Atlanta (near my sister's university, conveniently) going for something like $500.

Good god how I would love to have that thing. Shame I have no money anymore 'cause of those bastards at Scandinavian Airlines...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Nov 2008, 06:16
On what planet do Orange amps have distortion channels?

The Tiny Terror has a gain channel, doesn't it?  Also, I'm pretty sure the AD series amps do.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Nov 2008, 06:29
TT has a gain control, but it's single-channel. You're right about the AD series, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Nov 2008, 08:45
Oh, as in, oh. I've always thought of gain channels on all-tube amps as essentially the same thing as extra overdrive pedals. Distortion channel, in my head, is the simulated digital distortion that solid-state Marshalls and VOXes and shit have.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 04 Nov 2008, 11:32
Yeah, he mentions the bum distortion channel.  Basically, the only amps you should ever buy for the distortion channels are Marshall, Mesa, and Orange amps.  Unless you want to get into vintage stuff you can't find now like Matchless and Sovtek amps.

Clearly, we are two very, very different people.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Nov 2008, 15:45
Elaborate, Lummer.

Though I think the words "unless you play metal" should be added to Matt's post.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 04 Nov 2008, 16:16
A challenger approaches: how does a Fender Deluxe Reverb sound? They seem pretty damn alluring.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Nov 2008, 19:32
The Deluxe Reverb is more of a classic clean tone.  From what I've heard it is very warm and punchy.  It's primarily a clean amp, but I've been told it sounds pretty good with a dirt box or two in front of it.

The vibrato is pretty subtle as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 04 Nov 2008, 20:12
Well thing is, you see, I'm looking for a primarily clean amp. Something I can play my mopey indie rock with. That's not to say that I don't want to run a few pedals through it, though, I completely and totally intend on it.

However, I'm thinking the Blues Deluxe may be the better one to go with. It's cheaper, has more wattage, and from what I can hear you can pull off some pretty fantastic clean tones with it, as well. At least, that's what I hear.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Nov 2008, 20:56
If we're talking about Hot Rods, he could lay down an extra fifty bucks for ten more watts and four ten-inch speakers with some nice, bassy punch.  What I mean to say is, for a little more he could get the Hot Rod Deville.

I am seriously considering putting some Eminence Legend speakers in mine to make it into essentially a Blues Deville dressed in black tolex.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Nov 2008, 21:29
The Hot Rod Deluxe is a 2x12...


Isn't it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 05 Nov 2008, 05:12
Nope, the 2x12 Hot Rod is ALSO a DeVille. 1x12 is Deluxe.

Well thing is, you see, I'm looking for a primarily clean amp. Something I can play my mopey indie rock with. That's not to say that I don't want to run a few pedals through it, though, I completely and totally intend on it.

However, I'm thinking the Blues Deluxe may be the better one to go with. It's cheaper, has more wattage, and from what I can hear you can pull off some pretty fantastic clean tones with it, as well. At least, that's what I hear.

Is there any way you can try both of them out? It's really up to you to decide if the difference in sound is worth the extra cash. Also in that price range are the Laney VC30, Traynor YCY40, Peavey Classic 30 (I think?) these are all also great amps for that money. IMO I don't think most people ever need 60W of headroom for their purposes, unless you wanna play super clean. 30-40 watts is plenty loud for stage volume and most big venues will mic up your amps anyway.

Is the reverb on the Hot Rod Deluxe much better than on the Blues Jr.? My Blues Jr. verb sounds assy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Nov 2008, 05:17
Unf, when did PRS put out an SE version of the Custom 24?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 05 Nov 2008, 14:26
I guess I should get my ass over to a music store sometime soon. I've just been kind of busy lately, haven't had too many opportunities.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Nov 2008, 23:14
You should make opportunities. There is always an excuse to go to a music shop.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Nov 2008, 06:10
You should make opportunities. There is always an excuse to go to a music shop.

My favorite being "hey, is that a music shop? Yes!"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 06 Nov 2008, 11:21
What about Peavey? Randall?

From Peavey check out the 5150/6505.
The JSX & XXX are cool too, The Windsor is Effing awesome.
Their classic series is pretty bad ass too.
Their old stuff, Tho ugly, Is built like a TANK & made in the USA.
I'm still rocking my Bass Mark IV from 1982, It's been through a lot but it still fires up & sounds great.

I don't know anything about Randall.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 06 Nov 2008, 23:38
I'm getting a Super Hard on today
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 07 Nov 2008, 10:42
It may be a silly name but it's entirely fucking accurate. I get a super hard on for Z.Vex pedals every day.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Nov 2008, 10:45
I just got an email from Gibson, announcing the launch of "Dark Fire" on December 15th. It did not at all go into detail, but I can only assume it's going to be yet another round of robotic tuning some modeling bullshit that everyone else has already done (eg. Fender and Line 6).

Quote from: Gibson
The Gibson Dark Fire has arrived.

And man, oh man, it changes everything.

Never before has a guitarist had the ability to recreate any guitar sound ever made with one click.

Never before has a guitar provided infinite tonal possibilities.

Never before has cutting-edge technology been so accessible.

This is the evolution of sound.

This is the world’s most powerful guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 07 Nov 2008, 17:28
Dark Fire

This looks really dumb.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Nov 2008, 06:27
And yet, it's probably going to cost $15,000 and sell like hotcakes.

I feel the same way about Fender, but Gibson much more so: You guys need to throw a SHITLOAD of money into R&D. Come up with something new. You've had the same guitars for about 40 years, and they're great. But for the love of god, come up with something new.

(Note: I really liked the Fender Toronado and want to pick one up someday)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 08 Nov 2008, 22:02
Fender Coronado is cooler!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Nov 2008, 06:37
Close, Eugene. Think a little more outside of the box. Coronado Wildwood. They injected dye right into the trees to get color patterns.

(http://www.pmblues.com/product_pics/791c.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Nov 2008, 07:57
Sorry but that's hideous. I really don't like strange wood grain patterns on natural finish guitars except for the peculiar natural Rick 4003.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Nov 2008, 07:59
It was the 60s, man. They were all on drugs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Nov 2008, 08:10
Not a valid excuse man! (http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Nov 2008, 08:29
Dude, seriously?

(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/gemini/images/gemini-big/0305geminiredFINAL.jpg)

I love Eastwood as much as the next guy, but that is fucked up looking.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Nov 2008, 09:02
Holy shit, giant picture.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 09 Nov 2008, 09:13
Close, Eugene. Think a little more outside of the box. Coronado Wildwood. They injected dye right into the trees to get color patterns.

[SECKS]

I would love to have one of those. I checked on eBay, most of them don't even go for that much, at least as far as vintage guitars go.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 09 Nov 2008, 09:18
Dude, seriously?

GINORMOUS FUCKING PICTURE

I love Eastwood as much as the next guy, but that is fucked up looking.

Mega nasty, if not dog shit

I totally want the hell out of an Eastwood Classic Six. Maybe if I get really famous I'll ask Mike Robinson to make me a custom model with a Fender headstock so it'll look like a Coronado.

Hell, I would just love a regular Fender Coronado. Hell, I would just love Mike Robinson to make a version of the Kustom K200 series: (http://www.broadwaymusicco.com/kustom6.htm)

(http://www.broadwaymusicco.com/kust06.jpg)

(http://www.broadwaymusicco.com/kuskat048.jpg)

(http://www.broadwaymusicco.com/Kuszebra1.jpg)

(http://www.broadwaymusicco.com/Kust003.jpg)

FUCKING AWESOME.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Nov 2008, 09:23
Holy shit, giant picture.
Christ, I didn't think it was that big. And I can't find a picture that isn't from Eastwood and gigantic.

I'd almost like to see Mike's take on an Ampeg Dan Armstrong, though the new wood-bodied versions are pretty nice (and affordable).

(http://elderly.com/images/new_instruments/30N/DARMW-BLK_front.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 09 Nov 2008, 09:58
Hey, I've got a question.  At the Decemberists show on the 7th, Chris Funk was playing some sort of 12 or more stringed instrument.  I think it was a guitar, but the body looked like a large mandolin, and it had three single coil pickups.  Does anyone know what this thing is called?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Nov 2008, 11:49
Was it an electric sitar? (They make one-necked models too)

(http://www.northcoastguitars.com.au/supremesitar.jpg)

Or a more traditional looking Mandocaster.

(http://eastwoodguitars.com/Other/mandocaster/images/ot_AntSunb-mando.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 09 Nov 2008, 12:28
If it's the same one he plays in the video for 16 Military Wives (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7fzUGR8ZH4), then it looks like an electric 12-string guitar to me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 09 Nov 2008, 12:29
Oh man, those Kustoms are gorgeous also.

Damn.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 09 Nov 2008, 12:39
Did it look like this?

(http://www.myrareguitars.com/pictures/mayqueenup.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 09 Nov 2008, 13:02
If it's the same one he plays in the video for 16 Military Wives (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7fzUGR8ZH4), then it looks like an electric 12-string guitar to me.

It was like that, but it was semi hollow and the body was more rounded with a natural finish, but yeah, I think it's basically the same thing, thanks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Nov 2008, 18:42
(http://www.voxshowroom.com/ct/guitar/new_vox_guitars.gif)

Left - VOX Teardrop
Right - VOX Phantom

They are awesome vintage guitars from the 60s, they make them in semi-hollow and 12-string as well.

I dunno what the heck that black one is but it's a rip off of these. Iconic 60s guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 09 Nov 2008, 21:37
Close, Eugene. Think a little more outside of the box. Coronado Wildwood. They injected dye right into the trees to get color patterns.

img

Man, I really like that guitar. Funnily enough, I hate most Eastwood guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Nov 2008, 04:54
It's a Fender, not an Eastwood.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tuna ketchup x on 10 Nov 2008, 12:52
MY AMPLIFIER DOES NOT SEEM TO BE WORKING. I just got it last week, today is the first day I've hooked it up, and the fucking thing WILL NOT TURN ON. Does anyone know what could be up? It's a 2-speaker 18 watt Crate tube amp. SO FRUSTRATED.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Nov 2008, 12:56
Did you check the tubes?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 10 Nov 2008, 14:24
It's a Fender, not an Eastwood.

Yeah, I was aware. I probably phrased that badly, but I was referring to the posts after you saying 'that is horrible' and then subsequently linking to eastwood.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Nov 2008, 14:42
Tuna, does it have two switches you need to flip? Did you hit both of them? First time I used a non-crappy tube amp, I didn't know how to get it to work, my tube amp just has one switch.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 10 Nov 2008, 16:10
Yes, do check the standby switch and both the pre and post volume knobs. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Nov 2008, 18:46
If she did that, though, it could be she has bad tubes or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tuna ketchup x on 10 Nov 2008, 20:06
Yes, it has two switches, I flicked both of them. As well as played around with all the volume/gain knobs. How do you check the tubes themselves? Other than taking the amp apart, which I think might void my warranty or whatever and prevent me from taking it back to the store. It is a new amp, fresh outta the box, so I shouldn't have to replace anything yet. Although I'd rather get this one to work than take it back and wait for a replacement etc especially since practice is this weekend omg. I am already a little PO'd because it came in so late, so I already had to push back practice once. (We're not a band, just a group of people doing band-like things.) At this rate it might take another 3 weeks, plus I need someone to drive me back down there. Suck.

But anyway, here's some pics of my new guitar! Fender Jagmaster. I love it a whole lot so far.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3223/3021378932_79a1358434.jpg?v=0)(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/3020548033_847c7f8a71.jpg?v=0)(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3137/3020548203_219366011d.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Nov 2008, 21:28
Well, one way to check if you've got a bad tube is if you look at it and it's all black.  That would probably indicate a blown tube.  When you messed with the volume knobs, did you get any kind of hum at all?  Is there an indicator light to tell you if it's on?  It could be a bad fuse or transformer if it seems like it's not getting power.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tuna ketchup x on 10 Nov 2008, 21:32
Well, one way to check if you've got a bad tube is if you look at it and it's all black.  That would probably indicate a blown tube.  When you messed with the volume knobs, did you get any kind of hum at all?

Nothing at all, it's entirely dead. Plug it in, nothing comes out. Which leads me to think that maybe the power cord is the problem? In which case, that might be easier to fix. I'm sure I'll be messing with it a lot tomorrow (last day of unemployment, beh).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 11 Nov 2008, 01:58
Mmmm, Jag.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Nov 2008, 02:10
Yeah, if it does nothing at all, the problem is probably wiring, or the cord. Did you not get it from a store? You could probably convince them to let you swap it for another of the same if you did.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Nov 2008, 06:42
I'd say if it isn't the cord, then it might be a fuse or transformer problem.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Nov 2008, 06:58
It's a 2-speaker 18 watt Crate tube amp. SO FRUSTRATED.

Dammit, hurry up and get this fixed. I've been wanting one of these, but I don't know anyone who has one/has played one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Nov 2008, 07:25
One of my friend's father has one, and he says it sounds great.  The gain channel is a bit muddy and it shares the EQ with the clean channel, but the latter works really well with pedals.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Nov 2008, 07:26
I was planning on buying some serious fuzz if I got one, anyway. Thanks, Matt.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tuna ketchup x on 11 Nov 2008, 09:21
Yeah, if it does nothing at all, the problem is probably wiring, or the cord. Did you not get it from a store? You could probably convince them to let you swap it for another of the same if you did.

Yes, and I left a message on their answering machine. I have no doubt they'll give me my money back or let me swap, it's just that they had to order this one for me because all they had was the floor model (which sounded AWESOME), so that's another few weeks if I want the same amp (& I do). Sort of an asspain.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 11 Nov 2008, 10:30
Sounds DOA to me, Take it back.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Nov 2008, 10:44
There should be a fuse on the back. Most likely it is just blown. But seeing it is a new amp, I'd get another one. Because if the fuse blew that soon and you weren't playing it while in the bathtub, chances are there is some bollocks'd wiring in there somewhere.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Nov 2008, 11:27
I'm pretty sure that's the only complain I've heard about them.  They sound great, but they are cheaply made.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cadeonehalf on 11 Nov 2008, 23:42
Hey all,
So I've played guitar for about two years now, and I'm building my next guitar. It's a Telecaster Thinline model, and I was hoping to outfit it with locking machine heads, but I know nothing about tuning pegs in general.
Any recommendations?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 12 Nov 2008, 02:36
Well, you can't go wrong with a set of Sperzels. They're pretty ubiquitous, and with good reason. Otherwise, a good set of Grover non-locking tuners will do more than well too. I've had nothing but good experience with Grovers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Nov 2008, 06:17
Grovers are pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 12 Nov 2008, 09:12
Well, you can't go wrong with a set of Sperzels.

QFT. I stupidly let one of the studs fall out of my High E. I called them and they just sent me one. Everyone else wanted to sell me an entire set. Mr Sperzel still works at the company and is still building sh&t. = 1000Awesomes
--
Also just found this short Scale Wiki. Kinda cool.
http://www.shortscale.org/wiki/index.php?title=Wiring_A_Fender_Mustang
Not sure why you would refinish/re-wire a '66 Stang... maybe it was eff'd up?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 12 Nov 2008, 14:50
nthing Sperzels, best guitar hardware ever. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: SometimesWhy on 12 Nov 2008, 17:13
The only locking tuners that I have ever had are the Schaller tuners on my '99 Comanche and I think that they are pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 12 Nov 2008, 18:22
Oh!  I found Chris Funk's guitar.  He used it on "The Island"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9jPZavD0T0
Maybe it's a custom, I don't know.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 12 Nov 2008, 19:57
So, christmas is coming up. I am currently using a POS Behringer Vintager, and want to get a new guitar. I was planning on buying one when I had a job, but thanks the the economy, me finding a job as a 17-year-old with no experience whatsoever is somewhat unlikely. I'm planning on asking for one for christmas, which means I am looking at cheaper models, which are not consistent in quality, though you can get some gems (my friend has a squier strat that has the kind of action guitarists have wet dreams about). I was wondering what to look for in a guitar. Low action, no buzzing or dead frets, smooth neck, pick-ups that aren't noisy until I want them to be, good tuners, anything else? Oh, and how would I be able to tell if the tuners are good?

I am also considering asking for an Agile, and just suggesting that in case of lemon, if they get one, they get it shortly before christmas, so there is time to make sure I like it in case I want to return it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Nov 2008, 05:14
I don't think I've ever heard anything bad about Agile.

I've also never SEEN one in a store, though, so I've never tested them out for myself.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Nov 2008, 08:07
I've talked to people who've played them and I've been told they play quite well after a good setup.

You'll be able to tell good tuners from bad ones if you can bend notes pretty far and the string stays in tune.  Also, if there's a tremolo on the guitar, good tuners won't lose tuning when fiddling with the trem.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2008, 11:01
But anyway, here's some pics of my new guitar! Squier Jagmaster. I love it a whole lot so far.

FTFY.

Gaz, PLEASE don't call it a Jag, that makes my AVRI feel really bad about itself.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Nov 2008, 11:05
Yeah, don't be embarrassed to play a Squier. They're getting really good.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2008, 11:12
Definitely swap out the pickups, though. I loved the ones I had, but holy fuckshits I love that Tele neck pickup. Now, if I could figure out what's wrong with the bridge one, I'd be SET.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Nov 2008, 15:03
I don't think I've ever heard anything bad about Agile.

I've also never SEEN one in a store, though, so I've never tested them out for myself.
I heard one bad review on the Septor 7-string, and while that could just be someone that hates them because they paid 800 for a guitar that is as good as a well-set-up agile, I know that lemons happen, and I would prefer to be able to send it back if I get one. Just a careful person that way.

I think that Rondo is pretty much the only place that carries them, which means no testing it out at the store, which I don't really like, and it seems odd to only have one store importing an entire brand. I heard they have great tuners, though, Grovers.

What are the ups and downs of 7-strings? Wider necks, having to buy either specifically 7-string packs of strings or extra strings vs. extended range, but how useful is that range? I am really only considering one because I know Don Anderson uses one in Agalloch, but how important is the fact that it is a 7-string? Would I be able to play their songs on a 6?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 13 Nov 2008, 15:27
The funniest thing about Rondo Music is the Artist section (http://www.rondomusic.com/artists.html) they used to have.

Like This dude. (http://www.rondomusic.com/Second-Sunday.html) Or this dude. (http://www.rondomusic.com/LukeSmith.html) Or this dude. (http://www.rondomusic.com/AubryBritt.html)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 13 Nov 2008, 16:44
Yes, and I left a message on their answering machine. I have no doubt they'll give me my money back or let me swap, it's just that they had to order this one for me because all they had was the floor model (which sounded AWESOME), so that's another few weeks if I want the same amp (& I do). Sort of an asspain.

I hope you either get it fixed or get another one quickly, because if you're talking about the Crate V18, those amps are fantastic - especially at their price.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Harun on 13 Nov 2008, 17:58
What are the ups and downs of 7-strings? Wider necks, having to buy either specifically 7-string packs of strings or extra strings vs. extended range, but how useful is that range? I am really only considering one because I know Don Anderson uses one in Agalloch, but how important is the fact that it is a 7-string? Would I be able to play their songs on a 6?

the downside of 7-strings is that they're not 8-strings:

(http://www.espguitars.com/images/guitars/SC-608B.jpg)



seriously though, the extended range is useful only if you really need that lower range. And, concerning the scale of the necks - if you play on a 24.75" or 25" neck, you will notice a difference in a 27" baritone scale neck when you are playing. You can play 7-string stuff on a 6-string, but you either have to sacrifice the higher range on the first string, or drop the 6th string and sacrifice standard scale progressions on the fretboard between the 5th and 6th strings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Nov 2008, 18:07
I play a 25.5 scale guitar right now (haven't measured it, but same length as my friend's strat neck). The difference shouldn't be much bigger than shifting to a les paul scale guitar, right?

I think some of the problem for me is that I'm pretty inconsistent about what I want to play. I want to play blues, I want to play sludge metal, I want to play grey metal, and I know that one guitar can easily play at least the first two, but not sure about the third. Maybe I'll try a 7-string at the store, see if it feels really weird or awkward, and look at how much it would cost me extra for strings.

edit: I think I'll go with something else than the seven-string for now, since they are pretty expensive, and I think I would probably like a mahogany body rather than a basswood, basswood is a cheaper alternative, right?

edit^2: I think I remember lummer disliking EMGs, does anyone know why?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Nov 2008, 05:19
What the fuck is the point of an 8-string?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 14 Nov 2008, 06:53
So, I went out a week ago searching for a tele in the less than $800 range, and I'll be damned if I didn't settle on a midnight wine MIM for far less than that.  I tried tele after tele and either didn't like the necks, or didn't like the pickups until I found this one.  There's something about the almost total lack of finish on the neck on the Mexi's that just feels instantly broken in.  Plus, they've started making their neck pickups hotter, which is the only pickup I use anyway. 

Here's the bad(ish) part- I bought it at GC, and it had a few nasty gashes in it, though they aren't super noticeable from the front.  On the other hand, I hate pristine guitars, and am often relieved at the first ding, because I can stop babying the damn thing and just swing it around like a piece of wood metal instead of a treasured item.

I bought a mexi tele in '99 and found it to be less than desirable (can you say neck twisting- ugh).  Most of the MIM stuff I've played around on lately though has seemed pretty good.  Luck of the draw maybe?  Anybody else have a MIM?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 14 Nov 2008, 07:23
Like This dude. (http://www.rondomusic.com/Second-Sunday.html) Or this dude. (http://www.rondomusic.com/LukeSmith.html) Or this dude. (http://www.rondomusic.com/AubryBritt.html)
Hahahaha. Holy Shit. Cue the Triumph the insult comic dog at the SciFiCon. That totes made me want to chomp on a cigar saying: "This guy has a Rondo endorsement for eternal virginity."

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Nov 2008, 07:45
edit^2: I think I remember lummer disliking EMGs, does anyone know why?

1. Well, this is just my opinion, but they sound like shit
2. They need batteries. I don't know about you, but batteries are enough of a pain in the ass when they're just for your pedals.

Here's the bad(ish) part- I bought it at GC, and it had a few nasty gashes in it, though they aren't super noticeable from the front.  On the other hand, I hate pristine guitars, and am often relieved at the first ding, because I can stop babying the damn thing and just swing it around like a piece of wood metal instead of a treasured item.

Oh, yay, I am not alone. I think it's more psychological than anything. I still treasure my Jag like a friggin' diamond (fuckers cost the same anyway), but with the dents already there, it's just a signal to say "Well, it's taken a few punches, and it didn't disintegrate. I can feel free to rock out now."
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 14 Nov 2008, 13:56
edit^2: I think I remember lummer disliking EMGs, does anyone know why?

They have a pretty specific tone. Some like, it some don't. I personally quite like mine, though they aren't really great for anything but metal and hard rock.

There is an interesting pro and con list on wikipedia:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Advantages

    * Because of their incredibly high output, active EMGs are ideal choices for heavy metal and hard music in general. They have a warm and rich tone when used without distortion, being good choices for other music styles as well.
    * Their output blends extremely well with alder, maple or mahogany -- three of the most common wood types in guitar building.
    * Because it's fully shielded outside, the EMG pickup prevents dirt, dust, sweat and skin from going inside.
    * More recent models include a "Quick Connect" plug which allows the player to change pickups relatively quickly and without soldering.

Disadvantages

    * Active EMG pickups catch the string vibrations more than passive pickups, sometimes creating excessive oscillation with open notes. This problem is particularly noticeable on guitars equipped with the Floyd Rose tremolo and/or with certain string brands such as Dean Markley Blue Steel. Active EMGs enhance the vibration created by strings, the tremolo springs and/or the metal parts working together on the guitar bridge, sometimes creating a dirtier sound. Active EMGs perform better on guitars with fixed bridges and/or with string brands that have a more linear oscillation such as Ernie Ball and D'addario. The issue is clearly shown on a YouTube video called "Ernie Ball - The Best Strings for EMG Pickups."
    * Active pickups are more expensive than their passive counterparts, and most luthiers will charge extra to install them due to the extra electronics. It's recommended to buy guitars that already come with active EMGs rather than paying for post-factory installation.

    * Because of the extremely high output, it is generally difficult to get a clear, even clean sound when using EMG pickups, because even the slightest amount of breakup in the amp will be pushed. As a result, only the cleanest of amps can get a true clean sound with EMG pickups, and even then, unless a zero-breakup tube like the 6550 is used, the small amount of breakup will lead to a dirty sound. The high output and bass presence also leads to muddiness in the sound when compared to most passive pickups.

If you want to know whether you'll like the tone, go by the bands that use them. Opeth,  Metallica, Slayer, Judas Priest (since 84) all use them, so you should have a good idea of what they sound like.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: StarmanJr on 14 Nov 2008, 14:49
So I just got a new guitar today. Pretty cool story; turns out I basically traded my old guitar in for a better one without paying a dime.

I sold my 1997 Epiphone SG G-310 today for $150
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2339/dsc03535xk2.jpg) (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc03535xk2.jpg)

And two hours later I turned that $150 in for this 1999 SG G-400 Custom
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8669/dsc03532ro6.jpg) (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc03532ro6.jpg)


God I love craigslist.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 14 Nov 2008, 18:36
Thanks Spluff, Patrick. How long does a 9-volt usually last powering two EMGs?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 14 Nov 2008, 18:44
The funniest thing about Rondo Music is the Artist section (http://www.rondomusic.com/artists.html) they used to have.

Like This dude. (http://www.rondomusic.com/Second-Sunday.html) Or this dude. (http://www.rondomusic.com/LukeSmith.html) Or this dude. (http://www.rondomusic.com/AubryBritt.html)

Oh man how did you miss this dude (http://www.rondomusic.com/GammaRaye.html).

Also from that first artist profile you linked:

Quote
This band's music is influenced by Creed, Nickelback, Fuel and even a bit of Alice and Chains (sic)

Oh man. Yes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 14 Nov 2008, 18:48
Am I a bad person because I like http://www.rondomusic.com/product1819.html and http://www.rondomusic.com/ps970bch.html? I know, gold hardware, but dammit, it looks right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 14 Nov 2008, 18:51
Thanks Spluff, Patrick. How long does a 9-volt usually last powering two EMGs?

Ages. I think I've only even replaced mine twice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 14 Nov 2008, 21:40
Oh man how did you miss this dude (http://www.rondomusic.com/GammaRaye.html).

Gamma Raye.



Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 14 Nov 2008, 23:23
Dude looks like a camp Ted Nugent.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 14 Nov 2008, 23:54
Oh, hey, he took my idea of wearing web gear. Pity he didn't take my idea of wearing something else, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 17 Nov 2008, 06:24
I play a 25.5 scale guitar right now (haven't measured it, but same length as my friend's strat neck). The difference shouldn't be much bigger than shifting to a les paul scale guitar, right?

I think some of the problem for me is that I'm pretty inconsistent about what I want to play. I want to play blues, I want to play sludge metal, I want to play grey metal, and I know that one guitar can easily play at least the first two, but not sure about the third. Maybe I'll try a 7-string at the store, see if it feels really weird or awkward, and look at how much it would cost me extra for strings.

edit: I think I'll go with something else than the seven-string for now, since they are pretty expensive, and I think I would probably like a mahogany body rather than a basswood, basswood is a cheaper alternative, right?

edit^2: I think I remember lummer disliking EMGs, does anyone know why?

First off, it won't be that much more expensive in terms of strings, at all. Nevertheless, do find a decent 7 (*coughIbanezcough*) and check it out. If you want a mahogany body, I can highly recommend the S7320 model. It even has a nifty trem system with a blocking mechanism built in! Remember to change the pickups, though.
Ibanez stock pickups aren't *that* bad nowadays, but they're still not great.

As for Basswood vs. Mahogany, Basswood has a different and brighter sound than Mahogany, but not as bright as Maple. I for one really like the middle ground it offers, even in the more inexpensive guitars.

That said, when you try out a seven, give it a good twenty minutes or longer. If you have no experience with them at all, then it might feel a bit awkward, but you'll get over that quickly. I remember hearing many, many ignorant people talking out their ass about how a seven-string is basically a different instrument, and nothing could be further from the truth. So by all means go for it. It's really easy to get used to, and that goes for the 8-string as well, mind you.

Oh, and EMG's DO sound horrible. At least the 81. The 707 sounds alright, but that's about it for me. I really don't like the slightly cold, harsh sound they have to them. For me the passives just have more of everything, plus they react much more naturally to the dynamics of your playing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 17 Nov 2008, 06:45
I am looking at mostly performing (if I do perform) sludgy-southern stuff, and I know that Pepper Keenan uses a viper, which I assume has EMGs, and Kirk Windstein uses one as well, a LTD that he found that is apparently a real gem. The EMGs that I was looking at ended up being the passives, didn't notice until I looked closer.

I'm still a beginner when it comes to guitars, good enough to have outgrown my guitar, but I would prefer not to *have* to change pick-ups,
I really like the warm, almost bluesy sound you get with mahogany, which is why I am going for one of those, my current guitar is very bright, I think it could be called sterile.

I think I'm going to have to compromise on what I want to get for now, since this is going to be something I ask my parents for for christmas, the S7320 sounds like it has what I want, but I don't know if they would be willing to spend that much, that was why I was interested in Agile, they give you a lot for your money. The shop will also probably have some guitars on sale for cheaper than musiciansfriend. Should head down there before black friday.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 17 Nov 2008, 06:50
Well, if that's what you're playing, then by all means buy a Gibson, slap on some heavy-ass strings and take it from there. The Down dudes use passive, as far as I know. Pepper's Vipers use Duncans, that I do know.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 17 Nov 2008, 07:02
Oh, they do? Okay, good to know. I just assumed, and you know what they say about assumptions. They make an ass out of you and your umptions, which are a very old-fashioned device for removal of weasels from flower gardens.

While I say that that is what I am playing, really, I am going to be playing just about everything I learn on it, which will end up likely sticking to metal, classic rock, and blues, but that isn't all that specific when it comes to tone. I am suffering from not-enough-guitars-itis, and trying to make one guitar do everything.

I am thinking I am going to try out the SGs and Les Pauls when I go to the shop, mainly, and if I don't find a gem there I'll probably ask for the highest-end agile AL my parents will spring for (hopefully in cherry sunburst), and if the 12-pound guitar is too heavy for me to play standing up, I'll keep trying and quit being a pussy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: kent_eh on 17 Nov 2008, 11:45
In the interest of making everyone else's guitars look better by comparison, I present my stuff:

(http://members.shaw.ca/pileofstuff/guitarnoise/my_guitar.jpg)
My mid 70s Les Paul knockoff.  Name on the head is "El Degas"
It plays surprisingly well, but I really should get some better pickups one of these decades.

(http://members.shaw.ca/pileofstuff/guitarnoise/project/th-project_guitar.jpg)
My cheap-ass no name acoustic that I bought as a fixer-upper.

(http://members.shaw.ca/pileofstuff/guitarnoise/project/th-glueing_crack.jpg)
After a bit of work, it's a perfectly fine beach and camping guitar.

(http://members.shaw.ca/pileofstuff/guitarnoise/mando.jpg)
And my grandmother's depression era mandolin.
I don't play it much, but I love having it around.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 17 Nov 2008, 14:55
Oh, they do? Okay, good to know. I just assumed, and you know what they say about assumptions. They make an ass out of you and your umptions, which are a very old-fashioned device for removal of weasels from flower gardens.

While I say that that is what I am playing, really, I am going to be playing just about everything I learn on it, which will end up likely sticking to metal, classic rock, and blues, but that isn't all that specific when it comes to tone. I am suffering from not-enough-guitars-itis, and trying to make one guitar do everything.

I am thinking I am going to try out the SGs and Les Pauls when I go to the shop, mainly, and if I don't find a gem there I'll probably ask for the highest-end agile AL my parents will spring for (hopefully in cherry sunburst), and if the 12-pound guitar is too heavy for me to play standing up, I'll keep trying and quit being a pussy.

I'll have to say, that as much as I love my 7-strings, my Gibson LP just sounds so FUCKING chunky now. I have it tuned to B with some heavy-ass strings and have just recently put a DiMarzio Evolution and D Activator in it, and I gotta say it sounds incredible. Never, ever underestimate a good Les Paul.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 17 Nov 2008, 20:20
OK so I mentioned in Gabbly that my dream guitar at the moment is a Jag with transparent orange finish and Shane pointed out that he didn't think such a thing existed and I wondered where I got the idea from and I think maybe I got it from this pic from the Good Looking Musicians thread

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/noodlesbad/april07blog/slgtm101904ire9big.jpg)

Sexy guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tuna ketchup x on 17 Nov 2008, 21:53
For anyone following my amp saga... I took the defective Crate back to the store, but didn't feel like waiting several more weeks possibly for a new one. Plus I was a bit soured on the brand itself. So I took a store Strat on a mini-tour and zeroed in on a Line 6 Spider 15 watt hybrid. Want! Got! It's loud enough to use at a practice with a drummer (though we have no drummer), has tons of settings, but has a much fuller, richer tone than any solid state. Plus, it is light enough for me to tote around without pulling out my elbow. Oh man I can't WAIT to play around with this thing. And it was only a hundred bucks! I know I had my heart set on tubes but I think this will serve my purpose a lot better than a pure tube amp. Especially since the cheapest non-Crate was $300 and I can't afford that right now.

On Squier/less prestigious guitars in general: you can own a $3000 guitar and still make it sound like shit. Of course, I already sound like shit, but at least I'm not shit with expensive unnecessary equipment. Plus when you trade up components there is no difference between a cheapie and an expensive model. Plus I want to be the girl who wows people with cranking out sonic adventures on a $250 guitar. Yeah, maybe if you're talking a Sears guitar vs. a Fender there's a difference, but Squier/Epiphone have essentially the same guts as their parent brands, and with just a few upgrades can BECOME their parent brands in everything but name. I'd sure love to get a Jag or Jazzmaster someday but I'll wait for that record contract first, haha.

That orange Jag, though, man that is so full of awesome.
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Post by: kent_eh on 18 Nov 2008, 06:51
For anyone following my amp saga... I took the defective Crate back to the store, but didn't feel like waiting several more weeks possibly for a new one. Plus I was a bit soured on the brand itself. So I took a store Strat on a mini-tour and zeroed in on a Line 6 Spider 15 watt hybrid. Want! Got!
Did you try a Cube 30 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-Cube-30X-Amp-with-COSM?sku=487032) during your search?

I've heard good things about them, especially for metal/grunge/hardcore.
On Squier/less prestigious guitars in general: you can own a $3000 guitar and still make it sound like shit.

Absolutely. 90% of tone is in the hands, not the hardware.
You could hand my cheap-ass guitars to (Vai/Clapton/Satriani/Wylde/whoever) and it would still sound like them. They'd probably bitch about the feel of the neck, but they'd still be able to make their own sound come out.
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Post by: Ballard on 18 Nov 2008, 06:52
Guys, that isn't orange. Its stained (what I presume is) mahogany and some less than perfect lighting.
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Post by: valley_parade on 18 Nov 2008, 07:52
That's a stretch, Gene. Mahogany bodied Fenders? More likely an amber stain on alder or ash.
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Post by: Ballard on 18 Nov 2008, 14:03
The wood was, admittedly, a bit of a guess. But its certainly no transparent orange.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 18 Nov 2008, 14:16
Speaking of clear orange guitars...

(http://www.glguitars.com/Tribute/instruments/pics/large/GLTS_ASAT_Classic_BBSH_CLRORG_MP.jpg)

WANT.
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Post by: Bearer on 18 Nov 2008, 20:42
Guys, the Kentucky KM-505 mandolin.

(http://themandolinhut.com/mandolin%20km%20505%20kentucky%20a.jpg)
http://themandolinhut.com/kentucky_mandolin_km_505.htm

Radius'd ebony fretboard :drool:  My last mando cracked in half from the humidity, so I'm looking.  However this one is $480 (with case).  Is this a good idea?
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Post by: doombilly on 19 Nov 2008, 12:51
Speaking of Telecasters. Series 62...more like 'SEXXXTY TOO':
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/5/3/268353.jpg)
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Post by: Patrick on 20 Nov 2008, 02:31
In the interest of making everyone else's guitars look better by comparison, I present my stuff (stuff!)

While appreciated, and at the risk of sounding like a complete and total cuntrag (not like that's something I shy away from often), I totally don't need help appreciating my Jag.

Yeah, maybe if you're talking a Sears guitar vs. a Fender there's a difference, but Squier/Epiphone have essentially the same guts as their parent brands, and with just a few upgrades can BECOME their parent brands in everything but name.

Truth. Again, though, I just like being a cunt and talking about my Jag.

Also,

G&L Telecaster thinline,
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Post by: SometimesWhy on 20 Nov 2008, 03:23
Speaking of G&L guitars, here's a shitty photo of my G&L Comanche.  This image really doesn't do the clear red finish justice and it's hard to tell that the neck/fretboard is birdseye maple.  When I buy a new camera I might try to get a better shot of it. 

(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4633/comancheqv8.jpg)
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Post by: David_Dovey on 20 Nov 2008, 04:25
Speaking of Telecasters. Series 62...more like 'SEXXXTY TOO':

Bridge Cover,

Gene I don't care what the guitar actually is the point is that I'd totally bone an orange jag. Probably with a black or maybe even tortoiseshell pickguard though.
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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Nov 2008, 05:12
They're so un-useful, bridge covers.

BUT THEY LOOK SO, SO GOOD. =(
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Post by: Nodaisho on 20 Nov 2008, 05:15
Dovey, not sure about tortoiseshell, but black on that guitar would be huaglblagl.
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Post by: Patrick on 20 Nov 2008, 05:56
GUYS (http://cgi.ebay.com/1976-Fender-STARCASTER-believe-all-original_W0QQitemZ280286056010QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item280286056010&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)
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Post by: Christophe on 20 Nov 2008, 06:14
I would SHOOT SOMEONE for that guitar.

Seriously, with the fact that Fender pretty much renamed there sub-budget line Starcaster by Fender, to see the real thing is just amazing.

I would, however, prefer that Coronado posted a page ago...
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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Nov 2008, 06:22
http://www.glguitars.com/instruments/instruments.asp?prcode=SC-2

(http://www.glguitars.com/instruments/pics/small/SC2_HimBlue.jpg)

I can has? =(
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Post by: Christophe on 20 Nov 2008, 06:26
Not without a pickguard.

Maybe it's just me, but Electric Guitars - Pickguards = Weird.
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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Nov 2008, 06:31
Quick, design me a pickguard for it.

(Also, man take a look at a PRS)
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Post by: Christophe on 20 Nov 2008, 06:39
If you're referring to their Mira and Starla models, those guitars are super pretty. I can't say that it changes my view of PRS as being nothing but a manufacturer of mega-nasty dog shit guitars for rich people, though.
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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Nov 2008, 06:42
The Starla gives me such boners. Though, I was thinking more about the Singlecut models. They look great without a guard.

Plus I played one of the SE Singlecuts and it was great shit.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Nov 2008, 07:02
GUYS (http://cgi.ebay.com/1976-Fender-STARCASTER-believe-all-original_W0QQitemZ280286056010QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item280286056010&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

God damnit, Patrick.  I need a new pair of pajamas now.
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Post by: doombilly on 20 Nov 2008, 09:31
re: Starcaster
Wow. I wonder how it plays? Not feeling that headstock shape. It just weirds me out. Also a bit concerned about authenticity.

Neat guitar to see anyhow.
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Post by: Tehz on 20 Nov 2008, 09:33
http://www.glguitars.com/instruments/instruments.asp?prcode=SC-2

(http://www.glguitars.com/instruments/pics/small/SC2_HimBlue.jpg)

I can has? =(

Am I the only other person who thinks that these look gorgeous? From what I've read they play and sound pretty great, also.
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Post by: valley_parade on 20 Nov 2008, 09:46
I showed it to Patrick on AIM earlier, and I think he nearly exploded in delight.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 20 Nov 2008, 11:15
Meh, I still don't like the no-pickguard look, and for some reason I don't like the look of those G&L special single coils, though I'm sure they sound great.

I have actually played one of those G&L tele thinlines (actually it's the ASAT Bluesboy Semi-Hollow) that I posted earlier, and it was pure sex.  It had a ridiculous amount of tonal variety for a Telecaster.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 20 Nov 2008, 13:46
That looks awesome.
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Post by: Anders on 20 Nov 2008, 18:20
(http://media.zzounds.com/layout/zzounds/wikicontent/nammblog/Squier_VintModTele.jpg)

Well, admittedly I mostly just lurk, but this seemed a friendly enough place and additional input never hurt nobody. I've got one of these suckers kicking around (it's a squier) and I figure its about time I got around to replacing those pickups. Anyone have any suggestions? I've heard good things about the DiMarzio Twang Kings, though I am not necessarily looking at getting a traditional tele sound out of it.
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Post by: Spluff on 20 Nov 2008, 18:21
Is it wrong that I can't say Twang King without pronouncing it Twang Kang?
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Post by: Ballard on 20 Nov 2008, 20:56
Man fuck DiMarzio. Put some Van Zandts or Bare Knuckle pickups in that baby.
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Post by: tuna ketchup x on 20 Nov 2008, 21:10
For anyone following my amp saga... I took the defective Crate back to the store, but didn't feel like waiting several more weeks possibly for a new one. Plus I was a bit soured on the brand itself. So I took a store Strat on a mini-tour and zeroed in on a Line 6 Spider 15 watt hybrid. Want! Got!
Did you try a Cube 30 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-Cube-30X-Amp-with-COSM?sku=487032) during your search?

No, didn't see it/don't know if they had it. The price tag and the fact that it is half tube was enough to push me toward the Spider and I'm pretty glad I got it, so far it sounds great (has a great flange setting), though there's a few more bells and whistles than I would like.

THIS is a mandolin:
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/9/5/274495.jpg)

I don't see how a fully electric mandolin can actually sound like a mandolin, but it looks cool as hell.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Nov 2008, 21:15
It does look cool as hell, but it certainly won't sound like a mandolin unless there are four more strings I am not seeing.
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Post by: Patrick on 21 Nov 2008, 02:24
Man fuck DiMarzio. Put some Van Zandts or Bare Knuckle pickups in that baby.

Gene, this is a Telecaster we're talking about here. Just shut the hell up and let real men (http://www.curtisnovak.com) do the talking here.
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Post by: valley_parade on 21 Nov 2008, 04:56
If you want to stay with that pickup config, throw a Duncan Vintage mini-HB in the neck position. It's leading candidate for "make my Firebird sound better".
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Post by: Patrick on 21 Nov 2008, 05:06
Oh and for the record you should stick some 500k pots (Allparts has some good 'uns) in there instead of the normal 250k if you want to get the snap of vintage with the warmth of hotter-wound pickups. God, what a sound...
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Post by: Ballard on 21 Nov 2008, 11:45
Gene, this is a Telecaster we're talking about here. Just shut the hell up and let real men (http://www.curtisnovak.com) do the talking here.

Man, are you serious? (http://www.vanzandtpu.com/)
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Post by: valley_parade on 21 Nov 2008, 11:48
They sound like Texas?

Does this mean I can sound like the lovechild of AmAnSet and EitS?
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Post by: Ballard on 21 Nov 2008, 13:40
More like SRV really.
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Post by: Patrick on 21 Nov 2008, 14:54
You can sound like SRV any time you want as long as you are using a Strat's middle pickup with either of the other two pickups. I have hardly ever heard him use any other pickup setting.
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Post by: Bearer on 21 Nov 2008, 22:22
Sort of un-related, but I've got a switch on my strat that allows me to do both the "neck/bridge" and "all three" pickup settings.  Playing with all three sounds beautiful with a really clean amp and a little bit of chorusy reverb.  Mmmmmm...
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Post by: valley_parade on 22 Nov 2008, 05:46
More like SRV really.

If I want that I'll just get a set of Fender Tex-Mex pickups. =/
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Post by: Ballard on 22 Nov 2008, 08:35
Well no I lied- these pups are just fantastic true vintage tone. You can get lots of things out of them. But at this point I'm pretty sure they sound way better than Fender MIM factory stock.
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Post by: Patrick on 22 Nov 2008, 17:52
The screams of a stabbing murder sound better than MIM factory stock, Gene, you're not really leaving much room for improvement.
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Post by: Ballard on 22 Nov 2008, 18:39
I was answering Shane. They're just fantastic fucking pickups. Get some.
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Post by: Patrick on 22 Nov 2008, 19:07
I'm just saying, that comparison wasn't saying a whole lot.

Guys I kindof want to get an Ibanez Artcore. Switch out the pickups for Gibson '57 buckers and 250k pots. Good idea, yes?
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Post by: Spluff on 22 Nov 2008, 19:14
yes
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Post by: Ballard on 22 Nov 2008, 20:04
Honestly I think they're hella ugly.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Nov 2008, 20:25
(http://amuse.hamsterpaj.net/distribute/image/do_it_faggot_2.jpg)

(If I crossed any lines, I can remove this.)

Oh hi, pagebreak.
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Post by: Ballard on 22 Nov 2008, 21:40
Guys should I get a Melody Maker? It's a freakin' American-made Gibson for under $500.

The only thing that bothers me is that it has one single coil pick-up and two knobs, nothing else. Is that too minimal?

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/5/9/4/478594.jpg)
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Post by: greenMonkey on 23 Nov 2008, 04:39
Don't they make a dual pickup version?

Also, I have a single pickup, two-knob guitar (my Dano u-1), and I love it.  But I do wish I had a bit more tonal variety.  I think I'm gonna switch out the stock pickup for a Seymour Duncan.
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Post by: valley_parade on 23 Nov 2008, 05:53
I'm just saying, that comparison wasn't saying a whole lot.

Guys I kindof want to get an Ibanez Artcore. Switch out the pickups for Gibson '57 buckers and 250k pots. Good idea, yes?

Man eff you get a Dot. Or a Sheraton.

edit: http://www.jsdguitarshack.com/dillion_guitars/dillion_sg_jr.html

Hey guys look what I'm getting in the spring. The SG Jr. is easily one of my all-time favorite guitars. And I will settle for a clone because fuck you Gibson, I am not paying $2300 for a Custom Shop version. Fuck, if I wanted to be THAT vain, I'd cut a notch in the top of the headstock and buy a Gibson decal.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Nov 2008, 08:08
Don't they make a dual pickup version?

Yeah, sort of.  That's a Les Paul Faded.  It's somewhat more expensive.
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Post by: Ballard on 23 Nov 2008, 08:20
No, fuck those Matt. Les Paul Fadeds just look like incomplete Les Pauls and that bugs me. If I were to buy a Les Paul, I'd save up and go all out for the Classic. I like the simplistic look and the satin finish here, I'm just dying for more tone.

They used to make a two pick-up version (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Melody-Maker-Dual-Pickup-Electric-Guitar?sku=512641) but it was mysteriously discontinued.

There's a Joan Jett Signature version with a Burstbucker in it but that is closer to $800 and only comes in Worn White. I believe Lummer had one at some point.
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Post by: valley_parade on 23 Nov 2008, 08:31
I think Lummer had it for like five minutes and sold it.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Nov 2008, 08:36
Jeez, Gene, I wasn't suggesting he buy it.  I never knew about the two-pickup Melody Maker.
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Post by: Ballard on 23 Nov 2008, 08:37
Dude I wasn't angry at you, merely expressing my distaste for them.

Yeah they're somewhat hard to come by these days.
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Post by: Lummer on 23 Nov 2008, 11:51
I think Lummer had it for like five minutes and sold it.

Yeah, and I actually really liked it, but it wasn't really useful for playing anything other than punk-ish rock, and at the time I needed a more jack-of-all-trades guitar, and I found that in the Washburn Idol WI66.

Nevertheless, the Joan Jett guitar is freaking awesome.
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Post by: Ballard on 23 Nov 2008, 11:58
Sounds pretty good for me though.
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Post by: Patrick on 23 Nov 2008, 16:38
I'm just saying, that comparison wasn't saying a whole lot.

Guys I kindof want to get an Ibanez Artcore. Switch out the pickups for Gibson '57 buckers and 250k pots. Good idea, yes?

Man eff you get a Dot. Or a Sheraton.

Fuck Dots, the finishes that I've seen are super shitty. Sheratons are dope as FUCK though. I'd be tempted to leave one in the sun room for a week, heh.

...hey, maybe I should to that to yellow the finish on my Jag.

The SG Jr. is easily one of my all-time favorite guitars. And I will settle for a clone because fuck you Gibson, I am not paying $2300 for a Custom Shop version. Fuck, if I wanted to be THAT vain, I'd cut a notch in the top of the headstock and buy a Gibson decal.

I am pretty sure that the "Gibson" name thingy is actually inlaid into the headstock veneer, dude. Also, when cutting into the veneer, I don't know what Dillion use, but Gibson's veneer shit is pretty tough stuff.
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Post by: Lummer on 23 Nov 2008, 18:01
Sounds pretty good for me though.

If you're just gonna play RAWK and not tuning any further down than a half step, then it's pretty damn near perfect if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 23 Nov 2008, 20:00
Powerpop, punk, and rock 'n' roll pretty much.

Yeah Patrick, it's a pain in the ass to fake a Gibson name. Fenders are a different story, however. I've seen a dude sand the "Squier" logo off the headstock, stain the wood a nice non-plywood color, and slap on a Fender USA logo in like an hour. He also does work on the body, neck, fretboard, replaces the hardware and electronics (this costs him about $500) and sells these things for $800 (he advertises the fact that they're clones and not real Fenders) or gives them as gifts to broke professional musician friends who can't afford the real thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 24 Nov 2008, 05:10
I'm not saying I was going to do it. I'm not THAT vain. I take pride in the fact that I play a Squier and it sounds good.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 24 Nov 2008, 17:14
So, I am expecting to get an Epi les paul studio this christmas, I looked at what I could get for the comparable price on Rondo and it was full mahogany vs seymour duncans, so I went with mahogany, since I think pickups will be an easy switch when I want a better one.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 24 Nov 2008, 23:39
I am pretty sure that the "Gibson" name thingy is actually inlaid into the headstock veneer, dude. Also, when cutting into the veneer, I don't know what Dillion use, but Gibson's veneer shit is pretty tough stuff.
On a Black Beauty?  sure

scraping the bottom of the American barrel, so to speak?  The one U.S. model with a plastic finish, you *really* think they inlay that name on the headstock?  They can get super nice decals, you know
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 25 Nov 2008, 08:20
Ugh...there are far too many sounds for my poor ass to procure pedals for.

In an ideal world, this is what my setup would look like:

Guitar> Maybe a wah here > Fuzz Face > Superfuzz (or a Maestro) > Tonebender > Muff > RAT (probably the home-made one I haven't found the time to solder up) > TurboRAT > Tremolo > Phaser > The wah might go here if not after the guitar > Amp.  Then, my Echo-Tech would run out of the effects loop.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 25 Nov 2008, 15:39
I am pretty sure that the "Gibson" name thingy is actually inlaid into the headstock veneer, dude. Also, when cutting into the veneer, I don't know what Dillion use, but Gibson's veneer shit is pretty tough stuff.
On a Black Beauty?  sure

scraping the bottom of the American barrel, so to speak?  The one U.S. model with a plastic finish, you *really* think they inlay that name on the headstock?  They can get super nice decals, you know

It was inlaid on my Faded SG Special. That's about as bottom-of-the-barrel as Gibson got for a good while.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 25 Nov 2008, 16:40
Yes, but that had the regular Gibson headstock and that inlaid one might have been the only thing sitting around Nashville that day.

I won't say it's impossible but I srsly doubt they'd bother with headstock inlays on a guitar that is so cheap.  You seem to be forgetting that this thing is just about the cheapest USA made guitar on the market. 
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Post by: Patrick on 25 Nov 2008, 17:12
Whatever, fuck Gibson anyway, their headstocks suck 37 asses. I propose we all get together and pester Fender's consumer relations department about reissuing the Starcaster. That would make my life so very happy.

I wonder if their custom shop would make a Starcaster, but I'd really love to see it back in production.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 25 Nov 2008, 18:07
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4081/25112008108al0.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25112008108al0.jpg)http://
New guitar day.

Seriously, this 1993 Orville By Gibson ES-335 sounds WAY better than any Gibson ES-335 I've played. Seems like it has the Peter Green Reverse neck humbucker mod done to it. I'm not sure, but it sounds just... perfect.

Also, best neck I've ever played, and when I stick some 0.011's on it, she'll be just BADASS.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 25 Nov 2008, 20:02
EEEENNNNVYYYYYYYYY

Seriously, you have no idea.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 25 Nov 2008, 22:21
Pirate, what about the chorus and reverb? You can get some awesomeness out of that (see the opening of She Painted Fire Across the Skyline Pt. 1)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 26 Nov 2008, 01:41
I wonder if their custom shop would make a Starcaster, but I'd really love to see it back in production.
Dude, it's a custom shop.  Don't worry about 'will they make it?', worry about, 'is this the winning lottery ticket?'  ;)
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Post by: Blank_Jebus on 26 Nov 2008, 06:27
here are the guitars i currently own.<br


This is the one i play most, i made her myself out of an old Squire Strat.
[img width= height=]http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v683/129/108/1606710101/n1606710101_30062068_3622.jpg[/img]

this is an oscar schmidt by washburn,
[img width= height=]http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v683/129/108/1606710101/n1606710101_30062069_3911.jpg[/img]

and this one is my newly acquired 12 string acoustic. i need to get new tuners and strings for it yet.
[img width= height=]http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v683/129/108/1606710101/n1606710101_30062070_2658.jpg[/img]

i hope to someday also get a ukulele, a mandolin, and a banjo.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Nov 2008, 06:59
Pirate, what about the chorus and reverb? You can get some awesomeness out of that (see the opening of She Painted Fire Across the Skyline Pt. 1)

I'm not a real big fan of chorus and the reverb would be handled by my amp.  It's got a pretty spectacular built-in spring reverb function.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Nov 2008, 08:03
I propose we all get together and pester Fender's consumer relations department about MOAR INEXPENSIVE JAZZMASTERS AND A MUSICMASTER REISSUE
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 26 Nov 2008, 09:11
I propose we all get together and pester Fender's consumer relations department about MOAR INEXPENSIVE JAZZMASTERS AND A MUSICMASTER REISSUE. ALSO: CORONADOS, LEAD IIs, SUPER-SONICS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE COOL THAT FENDER USED TO MAKE.

Alas, I don't think we're getting a Starcaster re-issue anytime soon. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starcaster_by_Fender)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Nov 2008, 09:34
I've seen Super-Sonics on eBay around $400-500. But yeah, a reissue would be ace, especially with Squier's spike in quality as of late.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Nov 2008, 10:23
That Stratbucker is AWESOME.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 26 Nov 2008, 13:58
Pirate, what about the chorus and reverb? You can get some awesomeness out of that (see the opening of She Painted Fire Across the Skyline Pt. 1)

I'm not a real big fan of chorus and the reverb would be handled by my amp.  It's got a pretty spectacular built-in spring reverb function.
Ah, okay. I don't really use effects all that much, the only ones I have are on my Tascam MP-GT1 (1gig mp3 player with looping and the ability to cut out a side of the music, also has a metronome, tuner, and effects. Now if it would just stop discharging itself while it is in my bag).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Nov 2008, 14:57
I propose we all get together and pester Fender's consumer relations department about MOAR INEXPENSIVE JAZZMASTERS AND A MUSICMASTER REISSUE. ALSO: CORONADOS, LEAD IIs, SUPER-SONICS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE COOL THAT FENDER USED TO MAKE.

Alas, I don't think we're getting a Starcaster re-issue anytime soon. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starcaster_by_Fender)

I just got an email back after having pestered their consumer relations people. Turns out that yeah, you're right, they ain't gonna be making Starcasters anytime soon. The way he phrased it, it doesn't seem like they'll be making them at all ever. I doubt it's because of that beginner line being named what it is, though.

I agree with Gaz, that dual-bucker Strat looks pretty bitchin'. It kindof reminds me of one of the guitars used by one of Third Eye Blind's guitarists before they made that monstrosity Blue.

As it turns out, they are putting out a new album, and what I've heard from it is good.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 26 Nov 2008, 16:15
I just found out the Firebird VII I have is now discontinued by Gibson.  Hmm, I think I'm gonna start work on that moat...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 29 Nov 2008, 17:30
Guys should I get a Melody Maker? It's a freakin' American-made Gibson for under $500.

The only thing that bothers me is that it has one single coil pick-up and two knobs, nothing else. Is that too minimal?


Okay, wow, I'm a little late with this, but: if you're going to get a single pickup guitar for under $500, go for the PRS SE One.  Seriously, absolutely gorgeous guitar, super easy to play, great tone.

Evidence:
(http://www.prsguitars.com/seone/img/front.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 29 Nov 2008, 17:52
That's the only PRS I've seen that I don't completely hate. I do enjoy the way they play so easily, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 29 Nov 2008, 18:31
That's a pretty fine-lookin' guitar, there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Nov 2008, 21:28
That's the only PRS I've seen that I don't completely hate. I do enjoy the way they play so easily, though.

I have trouble with PRS myself, they just somehow seem devoid of character. But give me one of their vintage-sunburst doublecuts with a bright soapbar in the neck and a 'bucker in the bridge and you might just have the Perfect Instrument.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 30 Nov 2008, 08:56
PRS seem to be the business suit of guitars.  You wouldn't play one out at a basement gig unless you're tryin' to be funny.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 30 Nov 2008, 09:07
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/3/9/7/573397.jpg)

Words cannot describe how amazing looking that is.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 30 Nov 2008, 09:09
That guitar is quite nice, despite my hatred for PRS. Problem is, if I'm going to settle for one pick-up, it sure as hell isn't going to be a P-90.

I think what I'll end up doing is trying to find one of the discontinued Special (dual pick-up) models used around the city.

Shane, it's not bad but it looks like Buddy Holly joined Children of Bodom.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Nov 2008, 10:40
But Buddy Holly played a Strat. I'm pretty sure he was one of the first people to adopt it when it was new, in fact.

Technicalities.

I posted about it in the blog thread, but I will post it again here. I GOT A PAYCHECK TODAY FUCK YEAH. $300! I am going to buy Christmas presents for people, yes, but I am also going to buy a Tonebone pedal. I think it might even wind up being that Trimode, because I'm thinking that I could have the Marshall's clean channel, the slight crunch of the first overdrive channel on the Tonebone, and the Weezer-esque "WHOO NICE ORGANIC GROWL" mode of the second OD channel on the Tonebone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 30 Nov 2008, 11:29
Maybe he means Chuck Berry? Didn't he play a 335? Or whatever it was then, that one might not have been out yet.

Or BB King joined Children of Bodom. That would be interesting to see, in the way watching a trainwreck is interesting to see.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 30 Nov 2008, 14:37
So, I recently traded a vintage Ibanez bass for an Epi Firebird VII.  I'm still waiting for it to arrive.  Does anybody have any experience with these guys?  Likes, dislikes?  Also, the vibrola has been replaced with a stop-bar tailpiece, though the whole unit is being sent and can be re-installed. Anyone have a sense for how reliable these are?  I may opt for a graphite nut, roller bridge, and some locking tuners if it's a little wonky.  thanks!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Dec 2008, 15:48
Speaking of re-installing parts that had been replaced:

http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/index.php/topic,17449.0.html

(I am too lazy to copypasta the whole thing. More wrist movement while highlighting it all)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Dec 2008, 18:34
I played one of these today!:

(http://www.washburn.com/products/electrics/hollow/images/zoom_hb35wr.jpg)

Suffice to say, I was impressed!  The factory strings hadn't been stretched apparently, since it went out of tune quite a bit when I began to play it, but after about twenty minutes it was fine.  It sounded great, lots of sustain, and had a nice, fat neck.  The finish was quite nice, too.  The only thing I didn't like about it was the ugly hardware.  It was goooooold.

P.S. - I found this (http://burlington.craigslist.org/msg/940276077.html) on Craigslist today.  If only I had six hundred dollars just kickin' around.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 03 Dec 2008, 11:35
Guy offered me a new* G&L ASAT TRibute for $367.

*Guitar had been in the shop for a year. One of the frets came off and he replaced it, Then another and some more popped off. Fingerboard was "too soft" accrding to him. G&L sent him a brand new neck which he installed. I know not much about these. Apparently these are Made in Indonesia? Not sure of the pickups. He still had not set it up so it did not play that well. Of course I'd have to have that done prior to considering.

I'm still mullling it over. This is basically a 2007 model. Sunburst. Rosewood on the fingerboard. Basically looks like:
(http://www.guitarsplusmore.com/prodimages/gandl/ASAT-BB.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Dec 2008, 11:37
Maybe a little better than MIM Telecaster Standards. I've played one before (in sunburst, as well). It was rather nice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 03 Dec 2008, 12:03
ok. I have a MIM tele. The bridge is teh suck. So the ASAT has that over it. What does ASAT stand for anyway?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 03 Dec 2008, 14:41
Quote
ASAT is a military abbreviation for "anti-satellite"; the name was suggested by author Richard Smith after he read an article about the Air Force's ASAT missile. Both Leo Fender and Dale Hyatt reportedly liked the image of a guitar shooting down things in space, and hence the name "stuck". The name is often (incorrectly) interpreted to mean "After Strat, After Telecaster".

You should get the G&L - it's badass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 03 Dec 2008, 15:08
Quote
Both Leo Fender and Dale Hyatt reportedly liked the image of a guitar shooting down things in space

I think I could hang out with Leo Fender. Then again, anybody who wouldn't like that image is a lameass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 03 Dec 2008, 19:36
I feel like I should mention that the local (independent) music store that I'm going to tomorrow to pick up my Danelectro (which was in desperate need of some work) has one of Leo Fender's old prototype guitars in a display case in the middle of the store.  It's a completely beat to shit blonde Esquire that sports two Tele-style neck pickups, and what looks to be a prototype of the original Strat tremolo system.  Supposedly the owner of the store got it super cheap from someone before he knew what it was, then decided to look into its history and found out it had belonged to a musician who was a friend of Leo Fender.  Leo had given him the guitar as a gift.

This is the same store that had Paul Westerberg's Ric 12-string sitting out on the counter one day when I walked in.  Some of the coolest shit goes through there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Dec 2008, 20:08
Duuuude where do you live?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Dec 2008, 21:28
double post for

GUYS (http://humbuckermusic.com/ortitecoinst.html)

FUCKING GUYS (http://humbuckermusic.com/orad5coam.html)

YES
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 03 Dec 2008, 21:32
Man that is old news

That is so old if you showed it to Aristotle he would be like well duh
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Dec 2008, 22:00
..

Way to break my heart, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 03 Dec 2008, 22:50
I am sorry, man. I... I don't know what came over me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Dec 2008, 05:46
Man greenMonkey the guitar store in my hometown that used to be my favourite place ever only gets shit like ugly-ass '80s Fender Strats and that Custom Shop'd ES-335 that was in some godawful goatshit green color.

Man, fuck Fretted Friends.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Dec 2008, 11:32
Haha it's funny, I almost posted pretty much the same thing (whine whine my local shops only get in lame vintage Strats and the occasional weird gem) but then erased it.

Fretted Friends? You're kidding me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Dec 2008, 14:54
Yes, Fretted Friends. You know how I am an advocate of legalizing marijuana? Well, this guy shames the cause by supporting it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 04 Dec 2008, 17:12
I have to drive nearly an hour to get to any good guitar places. The local places by me only stock like, a ton of Squiers and Ibanezes and weird cheapo brands that I've never heard of.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Dec 2008, 05:46
Fu*king GuiTARDED Center and SamAss have run every little music shop w/ any character out of business in Charlotte. I have to drive to Concord to buy Orange amps. I have to drive 50 miles to Boiling Springs NC to get the Ampeg looked at. Big Boxes suck. I am pretty sure we lost the Cold War. How far are we away from "This month Megalo-Mart has Tampons. Next Month, Toilet Paper."

In Soviet America guitar store sells YOU.

I had a point at some point. I think I broke my brain w/ beer last night.

Um, I like guitars. Guitars is goood.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2008, 10:40
http://weirdnews.about.com/b/2008/12/05/new-sign-of-god-jesus-appears-on-electric-guitar.htm

I lol'd
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Dec 2008, 10:45
Quote from: the eBay listing
MY JESUS IS BETTER THAN HER JESUS
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 Dec 2008, 10:50
I really don't see Jesus.  It just looks like a plain-old bearded dude.  Also, who the hell is the company? The guy could have easily put some kind of veneer on.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 05 Dec 2008, 11:47
Someone call Mark Tremonti.

Paul Reed Smith, prepare to lose an endorsement in three... two... one...

This will be the guitar that gets Creed back together. Someone look in the book of Revelations, this has to be one of the signs of the apocalypse.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Dec 2008, 12:36
This will be the guitar that gets Creed back together

the guitar that gets Creed back together

Creed back together

This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 05 Dec 2008, 17:06
Oh wow, the people in the comments are right. That really does look like Zappa.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 05 Dec 2008, 17:10
Maybe it's both?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 05 Dec 2008, 17:11
Trick question

ZAPPA IS JESUS
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Dec 2008, 21:12
Sigquot'd

Hey Christophe, thanks for reminding me Mark Tremonti exists. Dick.

So I was in my local music shop (Kosmic in Osborne Park for those playing at home) the other day and I figure you geetarfags would probably get a decent size hard-on about this

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55/ddovey/Image132.jpg)

Don't say I never do anything for you losers
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 05 Dec 2008, 21:25
Right back at'cha, Mr. G. Love And Special Sauce Signature Gretsch Corvette.

Okay, the guitar is pretty. It's super pretty.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Dec 2008, 21:26
I know I will cop flak for this but I'm saying it anyway:

Bigsby Tremolos: Only acceptable on a Gretsch
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Dec 2008, 21:28
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/9/6/272096.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Dec 2008, 21:30
Only acceptable on a Gretsch

Keep trying though, this could be fun.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 05 Dec 2008, 21:34
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/3/5/423735.jpg)

(http://www.guitarsandeffects.com/guitarimages2008/epipgone_LTDcasinoBigsby/epiphone_casino_bigbsy_006.jpg)

(http://www.the-music-connection.com/r107bd.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Dec 2008, 21:42
fap

fap

fap
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 Dec 2008, 21:46
fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Dec 2008, 21:55
Rickenbacker

ding ding ding

Consider me schooled.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2008, 22:28
Rickenbackers are always an acceptable choice.

One thing that Gretsch has got to be loving right now is the exposure they're getting from the Rock Band series. Gibson's been enormous cunts about having their guitar designs in video games, and it's gonna mess with their sales as a result, because really, Gretsch have always been such a woefully underrated company and now they're getting a lot more spotlight than they ever used to. They're such awesome-sounding instruments, immensely playable, and their designs range from classic elegance (Chet Atkins, White Falcon, White Penguin, etc.) to '60s rad (Electromatic Corvette, as pictured earlier, as well as any other guitar in the Electromatic series) to "Oh my god that is the raddest fucking thing I've seen all day" (Billy-Bo Jupiter Thunderbird, Bo Diddley signature box guitar, both of which are in this world due to the influence of one of my favourite people, Mr. Bo Diddley).

And the thing I love most about Gretsch is that they are mainly hollow and semi-hollow, and you guys know how much of a giant slut I am for such instruments.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Dec 2008, 22:43
Wait, if Gibson doesn't like licensing guitar designs to video games what the fuck happened with the SG, Explorer, and Les Paul in the last 3 or 4 Guitar Hero games? (I say 3 or 4 because aside from the regular editions there's also been the themed Aerosmith game with the Joe Perry LP controller etc.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Dec 2008, 00:07
You remember that Gibson sued them over that, right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Dec 2008, 07:11
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/8/3/7/576837.jpg)

Fender said they've upgraded their MIM standard series. As you can see by this Telecaster, the upgrades for all are as such:

-Tinted necks
-slightly aged pickguard (and knobs on strats)
-uhm..less color choices (Sunburst/black/arctic white/midnight wine)
-the Fender logo is from the 70s
-I guess they're $50 more across the board.
-Maple fretboard availible on P-Bass (okay, you can't see that on a Tele)

I was excited at first, but now not so much. I like the aesthetic upgrades, but $50 increase? Damn you, economy. I needs me a regular style Telecaster to compliment my HH Squier Custom.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 06 Dec 2008, 07:14
No, they sued over something completely ridiculous:

Quote from: Wikipedia's article on the Guitar Hero series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_hero#In_the_music_industry)
Gibson Guitar Corporation, whose guitar likenesses have appeared in the Guitar Hero series from the first game to Guitar Hero Aerosmith, informed Activision on January 7, 2008, that it believed the games infringe its U.S. Patent 5,990,405 . Gibson claims that this covers technology that simulates a concert performance via pre-recorded audio and a musical instrument. In response, Activision filed a suit seeking a declaration that it was not in violation of the Gibson patent; Activision also asserts Gibson has given an implied license by waiting to assert the patent and that the patent is invalid.[118] On March 17, 2008, Gibson sued six retailers (GameStop, Amazon.com, Wal-Mart, Target, Toys "R" Us and Kmart) for selling Guitar Hero products.[119][120] Subsequently, on March 21, 2008, Gibson also filed a lawsuit against EA, MTV, and Harmonix over their game Rock Band also for violation of its patent, to which a Harmonix spokesperson stated that Gibson's claims are "completely without merit".[121] Activision lawyer Mary Tuck stated in their legal filings that they believe that Gibson initiated the lawsuit due to the fact that " Activision was not [interested] in renewing the License and Marketing Support Agreement" with Gibson Guitars.[122] Rock Band's guitar controller is fully endorsed by Fender.

TL;DR: Gibson licensed the use of their guitars to Harmonix for the first three or so games, then pulled the plug so they can sue them for stupid bullshit. Whatever, my character on Guitar Hero World Tour (on the Wii at my parents' house) uses a big Jazzbox with a small depth. If only I actually had a guitar like that. Like maybe a Gretsch or one of those Ibanez semi-hollow body guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 06 Dec 2008, 10:10
Oh wow that's weak.

Fight you, Gibson!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Dec 2008, 11:06
I can't wait for Gibson's sales to plummet dramatically. Then they will sell ES-335s for a Patrick-friendly price.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 06 Dec 2008, 13:44
Oh boy, budget-friendly ES-335's for Matt!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 06 Dec 2008, 15:41
As much as I hope I can pick up a damn cheap Firebird, I strongly doubt that would happen. Anybody who is buying a guitar because of a video game is going to be looking in an entry level range - which means Epiphone and cheap Gibson knockoff sales will drop dramatically.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 06 Dec 2008, 22:55
Quiet, you. Let us dream about our <$1000 Les Paul Customs' and Firebird VII's.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Dec 2008, 06:41
As much as I hope I can pick up a damn cheap Firebird, I strongly doubt that would happen

Too bad you weren't around a few years back when I was trying to sell my Epi Firebird to finance a Telecaster. Of course, then I just got a job and figured fuck it, I'll have both.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 07 Dec 2008, 11:27
Back to talking about Gretsch...


(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/4/7/9/420479.jpg)

This is pretty.  I kind of want one of these.  And it's (relatively) affordable!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 09 Dec 2008, 00:59
double post for

GUYS (http://humbuckermusic.com/ortitecoinst.html)

FUCKING GUYS (http://humbuckermusic.com/orad5coam.html)

YES

Did I miss something? I'm here for the guys fucking guys.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Dec 2008, 05:08
Buh, $800 for the TT combo? I'd rather put $600 down on an AC15.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Dec 2008, 09:57
Man that is a very acceptable price for an Orange. VOX ain't boutique, brother.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Dec 2008, 11:34
Vox ain't a hunk 'o shit either, brother.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Dec 2008, 11:38
Oh snap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Dec 2008, 11:40
Did you just call Orange amps pieces of shit?

Dude, get out of my house.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Dec 2008, 12:17
No, you just kinda implied that Vox are somehow shitty amps, and I said they are not.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Dec 2008, 12:38
No, they're just not boutique. Which means they're less overpriced and earn you less brownie points.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Dec 2008, 12:40
Man fuck brownie points, if I'd had an AC30 I'd have never wanted to sell the SG.

Fact.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 09 Dec 2008, 15:17
selling guitars = weak

shit I cannot even let go of the amps I have that don't work. Oh wait, I am a crazy shut in. Except for work. And going to shows. And gigs.

I am here to report we drove to chapel hill and back and did not hit a largish deer on I-40 incurring $300 damage to the monsta diesel this time.

Also we made $4.00 USD.

(Last time we made $6, but we did have that whole deer thing to deal with)

Win?

Also, if elected it will be the law that every household must be equipped with a tiny terror.

Cabinet it up to you.

Vote for me, next time.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 09 Dec 2008, 16:08
Hey guys.

So, I need a new amp to celebrate my new Orville by Gibson ES-335.

So, slightly used and blemished Orange AD15, sounds grand, made in England, 10'' Jensen speaker that breaks up SO fucking good.

OR

Fender Blues Jr., kick in some JJ tubes, switch that hunk 'o gonads speaker, make it sing like a pretty girl, WITH REVERB

OR

Orange Tiny Terror + Framus 2x12'' V30 Cab, never tried one of these, but I suspect I might like it. The TT -IS- made in Korea though.


The cheapest of these options is the AD15, and I've tried it, and it sounds gorgeous.
Going to make a ES-335 side by side comparison of the Blues Jr. and two AD15's to make up my mind.

Also, bear in mind that one of these amps will be used in a stereo setup with a Fender Pro Reverb Silverface for the clean tones. With the ES-335. And two strats called Ginger and Candy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 09 Dec 2008, 16:44
I personally would get the AD15 - especially since it's the cheapest. The TT has a little bit more drive, but it's a little bit less responsive, and Fender amps aren't really my style.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 09 Dec 2008, 17:26
From what I've tried, in band settings, running it with the Pro Reverb, I can max up the gain, really drive the sucker, and then clean it up with the volume on the guitar. This is something I do a lot with the Fulltone OCD for example.

I really dig this kind of amp dynamics, and it IS a must for me.

I'm a bit scared though, because I wanted a small portable amp to play jazz / lounge. I'm scared that this won't do it, at all.

Next time I'm down at the store, I'll check how much clean volume I can get. There can be some breakup, I don't like the all clean jazz, specially since I run it with a hollowbody.

If it works, then I got myself I new amp. If it doesnt, then I'm probably going to get a Fender Blues Deluxe (never really thought about this one till now).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Dec 2008, 21:53
I personally would get the AD15 - especially since it's the cheapest. The TT has a little bit more drive, but it's a little bit less responsive, and Fender amps aren't really my style.

Play a Blues Deluxe and haze yourself.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Dec 2008, 21:59
I played one the other day and they are pretty sick.  They crank for a such a little thing.  The tone is also pretty stellar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Dec 2008, 22:09
http://cgi.ebay.com/Danelectro-56-U2-Reissue_W0QQitemZ330293431675QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item330293431675&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50

Guys, donate to my PayPal so I can have this for Christmas. I will love you forever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Dec 2008, 22:16
Fuck that, dogg, I'm picking that up fo' myself.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Dec 2008, 22:20
Two hundred dollars? How is that not sold yet?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Dec 2008, 04:57
The TT -IS- made in Korea though.

I'm failing to see the issue.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 10 Dec 2008, 06:21
Would you say an Epiphone Custom with Gibson hardware is the same as a Gibson Custom?

I wouldn't, because the quality control IS diferent.

Same goes for the Orange I guess.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Dec 2008, 07:02
No, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper and it's still a good-quality guitar.

Keep Gibson out of this, anyway. They're so overpriced, it's not ever funny.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Dec 2008, 07:25
I still want a 335, I don't care if I have to kill and eat a starving Tibetan child.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Dec 2008, 07:35
http://cgi.ebay.com/Danelectro-56-U2-Reissue_W0QQitemZ330293431675QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item330293431675&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50

Guys, donate to my PayPal so I can have this for Christmas. I will love you forever.

Better yet: track down that fucking blackburst U2 I was outbid on.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Dec 2008, 16:38
Hey guys so, I have a Martin. My ex-girlfriend bought it for me last year on my birthday.

I don't want to re-gift or sell a gift or something, but at the same time I really don't want to be reminded of her.

More importantly, she got a fancy brand name for me without asking me what I'd really like so I've never been completely pleased with it. Martins are known for their dark tone, and I like really bright acoustics. Also, this is their cheapest model (still $500 plus the $100 case) so it's made of HPL (high pressure laminate) and not wood, which contributes to the overall dark tone and makes a bit too quiet.

It's in perfect condition (no scratches, dents, action is perfect) aside from the usual wear on the pickguard and the case has some scratches from the sidewalk but is sturdy!

Do you think I could trade this in at Guitar Center for a price that'd be worth it? I don't want cash, just an acoustic guitar that I enjoy playing more. I don't really care about brand names- some of the nicest acoustics I've played in this price range have been Epiphone Masterbilts. What I'd hopefully like to get out of this? One of these, or something similar if anyone has any suggestions. I'd probably need to add some cash as well, but since I've never sold anything to GC, I have no clue how much?

Guild GAD-50 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Guild-Gad50-Acoustic-Design-Series-Dreadnought-Guitar-With-Case-?sku=512094)
Epiphone Masterbilt DR-500R (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Masterbilt-DR500R-Dreadnought-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=519059) or AJ-500R (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Masterbilt-AJ500R-Advanced-Jumbo-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=519052)
Blueridge BR-63 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Blueridge-BR63-Contemporary-Series-OOO-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=515090)

(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn167/JewManchu82/005.jpg) (http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn167/JewManchu82/005.jpg)

Click to enlarge. Thanks for the advice!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 10 Dec 2008, 20:27
I think I'm gonna be getting a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe as my next amp. I found one at a local place for $599 new, and I was pretty impressed; I've read some mixed reviews but for the most part I liked what it had to offer.

I also played an Epiphone Blues Custom 30, which was around four-hundred bucks new. I was pretty impressed with that also, it's gonna be a tough choice between the two. I'll be sure to chime in when I make a final purchase.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: crabjob on 10 Dec 2008, 21:51
What's up, I'm new and I found this thread to be awesome so:

I use a Hot Rod Deluxe as my main gigging amp and I love it.  It's loud enough for small clubs and fairly quiet enough for my room.  I really like the cleans I get with my guitar (I have an Epiphone Sheraton) and for slight distortion it's awesome.  I use an octave/fuzz, a delay, and a wah and it sounds really good with each.

Also, how do you guys feel about Telecasters?  I'm thinking about getting one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Dec 2008, 21:53
Dude, that is like saying "Hey guys, how do you feel about sex?"

Telecasters are some of the most varied and versatile solid-bodied guitars around. You're gonna have to be more specific.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Dec 2008, 21:54
(I have an Epiphone Sheraton)

Careful, now.  I hope you're not displaying your location on your profile 'cause it's pretty likely Patrick will hunt you down.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: crabjob on 10 Dec 2008, 21:59
Lol, as soon as I wrote that I knew I should have specified.  Specifically, this one:http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Vintage-Hot-Rod-52-Telecaster-?sku=512138 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Vintage-Hot-Rod-52-Telecaster-?sku=512138)

It's way too much money for me to spend but I love that mini humbucker.  Throw a bigsby on it and I will gladly give you a kidney.


p.s. Um, how do I link it under specific text so I can forgo the whole showing the entire address thing? 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Dec 2008, 22:07
[url.=adress here]text you want displayed[/url]

Remove the period.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Dec 2008, 22:09
It does not help that I have been drooling over the '52 Hot Rod for months now..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Dec 2008, 22:14
Could do with a different color, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: crabjob on 10 Dec 2008, 22:19
Yeah, it comes in black (http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0100232806).  Even the old-school black-with-white-pickguard is pretty bland though.  Actually, WTF is up with Fender and super limited color choices these days?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Dec 2008, 23:50
Man FUCK no.

Butterscotch Blonde is the only acceptable choice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Dec 2008, 00:01
I know we do not always agree on aesthetics, but unless the other alternative is sunburst, Gene is pretty much unarguably correct.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 11 Dec 2008, 00:29
No, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper and it's still a good-quality guitar.

Keep Gibson out of this, anyway. They're so overpriced, it's not ever funny.

By that post, I can be pretty certain you've never owned a Gibson.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Dec 2008, 05:31
I own an Epiphone, and I've played Gibsons. I think I just prefer cheaper guitars, and then modding them. My friend's got a G-400 with Gibson '57s and a Gibson SG Standard. The G-400 honestly blows the Standard out of the water.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Dec 2008, 06:30
Man FUCK no.

TV yellow is the only acceptable choice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Dec 2008, 06:50
I know we do not always agree on aesthetics, but unless the other alternative is sherwood green metallic, Gene is pretty much unarguably correct.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Dec 2008, 08:30
Not on a Tele man, I don't think that would look good at all. Especially not one with a maple board.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Dec 2008, 08:37
Hey guys so, I have a Martin. My ex-girlfriend bought it for me last year on my birthday.
...
Do you think I could trade this in at Guitar Center for a price that'd be worth it?
They will give you 1/4 of what they think they can sell it at.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Dec 2008, 08:43
Not on a Tele man, I don't think that would look good at all. Especially not one with a maple board.

SGM tele, rosewood board, aged pickguard? Binding?

FUCK YEAH. (http://wildwoodguitars.com/electrics/fender/avts/62tele/se06726/se06726.php)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Dec 2008, 08:46
Lol, as soon as I wrote that I knew I should have specified.  Specifically, this one:http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Vintage-Hot-Rod-52-Telecaster-?sku=512138 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Vintage-Hot-Rod-52-Telecaster-?sku=512138)

It's way too much money for me to spend but I love that mini humbucker.  Throw a bigsby on it and I will gladly give you a kidney.


p.s. Um, how do I link it under specific text so I can forgo the whole showing the entire address thing? 

Quick fix:
-Squier Affinity Tele in blonde
-Guitar Fetish mini-hum Tele pickguard (http://store.guitarfetish.com/tepicucutfor.html)
-GFS mini-hum (http://store.guitarfetish.com/mibicomihucl.html)
-other mods as seen fit.

GFS/Guitar Fetish is generally cheap, but god quality.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 11 Dec 2008, 09:18
Man that Am. Vintage Tele is hot shit.

I should clarify, I meant there is no other acceptable finish for the '52 Hot Rod or any other similar super old school Tele. There are plenty of gorgeous Teles in plenty of colors, above one not the least of them.

Hey guys so, I have a Martin. My ex-girlfriend bought it for me last year on my birthday.
...
Do you think I could trade this in at Guitar Center for a price that'd be worth it?
They will give you 1/4 of what they think they can sell it at.

That is so lame. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: crabjob on 11 Dec 2008, 09:20
Yeah, making a parts Tele would probably my best bet:


of course, if I wanted to do this myself I would first need to know:


Super old school (http://cgi.ebay.com/Fender-January-1954-Telecaster-Blackguard-Only-6-3-4-lb_W0QQitemZ270305225382QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item270305225382&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50).  GOD I love vintage guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Dec 2008, 10:00
I'm so tempted to do this, now. Dammit!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 13 Dec 2008, 16:44
Alright gents, after the success with my last CBG, I've decided to make another Cigar Box Guitar, only this one will actually have something of a budget!

I'm making it out of a relatively small cedar cigar box (literaly, it's a small rectangle that I think is just long enough to keep scale) that I'm going to fill with Maple.  Despite being a CBG, it's going to have quite a bit of tonal possibilities this time.  It's going to have a telecaster style bridge with a slanted bridge pickup and a Firebird-esque mini-humbucker at the neck.  As for electronics, it's gonna have a 3 way pickup selector switch, 2 tone knobs, and one volume, but the tone knob for the neck pickup will be a push/pull so I can change the mini-bucker from parallel to series.  I'm gonna get a maple neck with rosewood fretboard, but I'm probably going to stain it like I did with the last one.

At least, that's the plan anyway.  The parts I need I can get from the previously mentioned Guitarfetish.com for about $200.  I'd like to hear some suggestions for this build before I order the parts though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Dec 2008, 06:15
I think cigar box guitars are ugly as sin. But hey, you're the one playing it. And the MH-S combo seems to work really well (see that Vintage Hot Rod Tele).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 15 Dec 2008, 09:09
Guys. I played a rock and/or roll show last night in a venerable punk rock club.
Two other great bands came from out of town.
We were the rockstar headliners.
Nobody came so I had tequila. This made me break out the ACOUSTIC BLACK WIDOW. Because in a tequila fueled bout of angry rock it is best to have a very substantive guitar to pound the f*ck out of.

My point? ACOUSTIC BLACK WIDOW!

(self-congratulatorynessitude on guitar awesomeness)

Anyway there ought to eventually be some pics of my actually WIDOW rocking. It usually takes a while for our drummer to get them posted.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Dec 2008, 07:22
Do you know if it's one of the Japanese-made Black Widows or the later ones that were built by Semie Moseley?

Cos I mean, you might have a fucking guitar built by Semie fucking Moseley.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ParadigmShift on 16 Dec 2008, 09:23
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/Pure_Blimy/Guitars_Small.jpg?t=1229448135)

My gear:

Gibson Explorer New Century
Epiphone Thunderbird IV
Line6 SpiderIII
Cheap red Strat-copy (minus a bridge and strings at the moment)
Cheap white Strat-copy
Oh yeah, and a Digitech Whammy IV
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 16 Dec 2008, 15:00
Cos I mean, you might have a fucking guitar built by Semie fucking Moseley.

I have a hollow-body short-scale bass built by Semie fucking Moseley sitting in my basement.

Mosrite Celebrity Bass, serial no. 12.


...it's not mine though  :cry:...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 16 Dec 2008, 15:17
Do you know if it's one of the Japanese-made Black Widows or the later ones that were built by Semie Moseley?

Cos I mean, you might have a fucking guitar built by Semie fucking Moseley.

haha this one is not built by Semie fucking Moseley. It is MIJ. Based on this:
http://www.allthetransients.com/subdomains/blackwidow/chart.html

Anywho, it is cool enough for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 16 Dec 2008, 17:35
Since I know jack about amps, I am going to ask you guys.

Loud bass half stacks. Whats good while still relatively inexpensive? (I am willing to drop dough though for good stuff though.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Dec 2008, 17:42
Some of the Behringer bass amps I've seen sound pretty good.  They're relatively inexpensive.

What's your budget?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 16 Dec 2008, 17:54
I'm not really sure yet. I think I could get like, 500-550 dollars for my current amp and I have a good chunk in the bank, so maybe like, 800-900. I'm also gonna buy used if I can, since that'll save me monies.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 16 Dec 2008, 20:30
Not sure of the price range on this but Nemesis (by Eden) is very good for budget bass stuff.  Eden makes fantastic stuff, but it's really expensive.  Nemesis is their budget brand, and it's nearly as good for less cash.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 17 Dec 2008, 07:30
Anywho, it is cool enough for me.

It's still an awesome guitar. I just have severe boners for Mosrites.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 17 Dec 2008, 19:58
Eden amps have actually been having some troubles since they changed hands. I was looking into buying one of their heads but went with Genz Benz instead. I can't remember the specifics but some of the new models especially (like the WT800 I think?) have had lots of technical difficulties and poor customer support. Eden amps do sound fantastic though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 17 Dec 2008, 20:08
Actually, now that you reminded me, I do remember hearing that.  However, all my experiences with Eden stuff have been positive.  My close friend and I frequently share our equipment, and he played an Eden Metro for a while.  He now uses a Eden 4x10 cab with a Tech 21 Sansamp and a bizarre old power amp.  Both sound (or sounded) great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 17 Dec 2008, 20:17
So guys

Guitarists who play through bass amps: Crap or Not Crap?

I think it's a cool concept and one of the guitarists in one of my favorite local bands plays through an Ampeg bass head into a Marshall cabinet, but what exactly is the benefit of doing this, other than I think it looks/potentially sounds cool?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 17 Dec 2008, 21:39
I mean, what other benefit do you want in your guitar gear besides it looking and sounding cool?

Fender Bassman half-stacks are nice for this.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 17 Dec 2008, 22:08
Man I don't even have an amp right now but I am supposed to get this nice ol' Fender bass amp for free soon. It is Taking What I Can Get. Because I am so bored

My buddy plays through a Fender Bassman and it's hella cool because it has glowy lights.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 18 Dec 2008, 17:54
Dear Guitar Thread,

I played a Fender 57' Strat reissue today. My friend/bandmate is thinking about buying it (he has a PRS he is selling so that is how he can afford it. Don't ask me how he afforded a PRS. Don't ask me why he wanted a PRS. Actually anyone wanna blow a shitload of money? No? It's cool, I understand.) It is the most amazing thing I have ever heard. Ever. Like holy shit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 18 Dec 2008, 19:17
Fender Bassman half-stacks are nice for this.

Yes they are.  Yes they are.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 19 Dec 2008, 08:22
Heh, but DO NOT get a Fender BANTAM bass amp.

I had one of these gems taking up  space in my basement land of misfit amps. It weighed slightly less than a small subaru and had about all of 30w of spotty, crappy bass sound. And apparently they came stock with styrofoam coned speakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Bantam_Bass

The one I had someone had replaced the speaker with a 1970 Vega systems 15" that seemed ok. But the tubes would sometimes fall out of the back of the thing while you played.   :x

This turd has CBS "quality" written all over it.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: JackOfShades on 19 Dec 2008, 08:27
A questions for the experts:

My sustain is fine when I'm playing alone, but when the bassist, drummer, and other gutiarist are playing as well, I get little to no sustain. Is it a matter of just upping my volume when I'm playing held notes, or should I get my bassist to turn down his volume (he plays excessively loud)?

Thanks
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 19 Dec 2008, 16:40
Do you mean that you can't hear your sustain? In that case you've already suggested two solutions. If your problem is because you have a really thin tone (low wattage at high volumes) and it therefore can't be heard too well in a band situation, then you'll need to get the rest of the band to quiten down.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: JackOfShades on 20 Dec 2008, 14:32
Yeah, I figured it was something as stupidly simple as that, but I wanted a second opinion.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 20 Dec 2008, 19:39
I just got an Epi Les Paul Studio in Worn Cherry. So unbelievably better than my old Behringer strat-clone. Wonderful sustain, nice warm tone, it is just like what I wanted.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 23 Dec 2008, 05:39
GUYS!

I ACCIDENTALLY A GIBSON FLYING V!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 23 Dec 2008, 05:44
You didn't.

Oh fuck you lummer you've had all the best guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 23 Dec 2008, 06:02
GUYS!

I ACCIDENTALLY A GIBSON FLYING V!

Does that mean he's somehow transformed into a Flying V? Because that would be all kinds of awesome. Can he play himself?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 23 Dec 2008, 06:09
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Divisions/Gibson%20USA/Guitars/Flying%20V/Flying%20V%20Faded%203Pickup/

FUCK YEAH

I even got a 30% discount on it, since the store was shutting down. It rocks, when opportunity knocks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 23 Dec 2008, 07:12
Hells yeah, Lummer! o/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 23 Dec 2008, 08:32
So guys, while I was walking around The Happiest Place On Earth on Sunday, lo and behold on a corner I saw a completely unsupervized Fender red-knob The Twin. Totally just sitting there. No one looking at it, no one keeping watch over it.

I should've jacked it, but I think park security would've noticed me carrying around a huge amplifier that I didn't walk in with.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Dec 2008, 09:00
Naah, you should have just jacked it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 23 Dec 2008, 10:20
Yeah, c'mon. How many chances do you get like that?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 23 Dec 2008, 11:12
Yeah, maybe I could enlist the help of my dad and brother to help get it out of the park.

I'm pretty sure someone would've noticed. I think it was for one of the musical acts in Disneyland.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 23 Dec 2008, 16:22
If anybody says anything, hit them over the head with the amp and keep going.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 27 Dec 2008, 00:35
Anyone ever seen/heard of/played these old Vox Phantom models?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/kalnaar_khan/phan6.gif)

They never really looked too appealing to me, but I recently stumbled upon this site (http://www.phantomguitars.com/ (http://www.phantomguitars.com/)), and...I dunno, for some reason I really want one now. Maybe it's because I've been listening to Joy Division lately (Ian Curtis used one). For only like, seven-hundred bucks, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Dec 2008, 04:33
They're hideous, I have no idea how they play... and Ian Curtis only played guitar about twice ever, you know.

Well, in one song during Joy Division gigs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 27 Dec 2008, 14:56
They're gorgeous, and pretty jangly. Think classic Rickenbacker tone. I've been eyeing one of those for a while.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 27 Dec 2008, 17:11
It's a shame that they've turned so expensive though, when part of their original appeal was that they were inexpensive instruments.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 27 Dec 2008, 17:57
"The Circle of Life"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 27 Dec 2008, 18:38
Apparently the Phantom Guitarworks recreations are pretty great, though. At least based on Harmony Central reviews, anyway. I don't really find them that hideous; they're not exactly gorgeous, but I dunno, I think they look cool.

Perhaps the next time I come across seven-hundred bucks I'll know what to do with it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Dec 2008, 07:03
It's a shame that they've turned so expensive though, when part of their original appeal was that they were inexpensive instruments.

Look at those early 60s Danos that are going for around $2,000 now. SIGH.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 29 Dec 2008, 08:46
And another shot of me w/ Black Widow.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3117/3147959064_fc38bf7585_o.jpg)
They call me, "Guitar-tempest-in-a-teapot."


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 29 Dec 2008, 09:20
DOOMBILLY,
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 29 Dec 2008, 09:29
aw thanks. Here's the one I posted in photothread. Shows the glorious all of the acoustic black widowness.  (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,20435.msg751414.html#msg751414)

She's a beauty. But unfaithful to tuning. I'm taking a luthier class end of January. Maybe I can figure out why the G won't stay in tune. Weirdly it will go sharp, I tune it, play awhile...then it goes flat. Bad Grover?


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 29 Dec 2008, 10:46
I've heard the G going out of tune more than the other strings has something to do with music theory, but I don't see how it could. In any case, mine always goes out too.
I think what I really heard is that, with equal temperament, the G can sound more out of tune than the other strings. But mine actually physically seems to be out of tune more than its share of the time. That's probably psychological.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 30 Dec 2008, 07:33
Yeah, the same with every guitar I've ever played.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 30 Dec 2008, 15:31
I tend to find it's the two Es on my guitars that generally go out, but that's because I tend to bang them against things.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 30 Dec 2008, 18:40
Once I tune it to my content, my G stays in tune pretty faithfully. It's getting it there that's frustrating. It seems like the mark between sharp and flat is 10 times harder to land on than on any other string.

This on every guitar I've played, not just a specific one.

WHAT GIVES. G STRING CONSPIRACY.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 30 Dec 2008, 19:04
G STRING CONSPIRACY.

Now this is a conspiracy I am all for.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 31 Dec 2008, 07:52

G STRING CONSPIRACY.

Yeah, I'll buy the 8-string Ibanez and tune it up a half step.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 31 Dec 2008, 07:55
Can someone please explain the point of an 8 string to me?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cicero on 31 Dec 2008, 09:04
Currently deciding on a Warmoth custom model that is a Firebird or a Thinline.    Custom is the way to go.   Lifetime investment, the way you want it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 31 Dec 2008, 09:30
The reason the G goes out of tune more than the other things, at least, in my reasoning, is that it's too large a string not to be wound, too small to be wound. It's right there in the limit.

The set I have in my jazz box is 0.14 and the G is wound, and it doesnt really go out of tune at all.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 31 Dec 2008, 09:57
I have a Schecter Ultra-III and my G string is not only constantly detuning, but is also always the first to break. No matter how old the strings are. Even if I only replace the G.

I have maybe a dozen sets of strings that are missing the G at this point. Conspiracy, or am I doing something wrong? I've used everything from ultra-lights to medium-heavies. Wound and unwound. Flat steel, nickel, you name it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 31 Dec 2008, 14:13
Can someone please explain the point of an 8 string to me?
It's got one more.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Dec 2008, 14:36
Currently deciding on a Warmoth custom model that is a Firebird or a Thinline.    Custom is the way to go.   Lifetime investment, the way you want it.

It's not really a lifetime investment since fully custom guitars are less likely to rise in value as time passes. A better example of a lifetime investment would be a NOS 1952 Telecaster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 31 Dec 2008, 16:24
Family Picture Time
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_-_XBoT8iDo4/SVwLdMHETuI/AAAAAAAADXQ/HU3DjmWChA8/s400/DSCF0015.JPG)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Jan 2009, 08:35
Oh god, that target burst Mustang.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Jan 2009, 12:35
Doombilly.  What the hell, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 02 Jan 2009, 13:49
Oops. Did I do something wrong?

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Jan 2009, 15:23
You made half the posters in this thread either splooge their pants or feel impotent.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 02 Jan 2009, 15:33
So I'm the equivalent of a "guitar pornstar?"

Well you know the guitars don't make the player.

Otherwise I'd be good by now.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 02 Jan 2009, 16:22
Can someone please explain the point of an 8 string to me?

Extended range, and increased resonance due to a larger neck.

I for one, would buy the Ibanez RG2228 in a heartbeat if I had the money for it, since the extended tonal range, and subsequently expanded chording possibilities are intriguing to me. Plus, that thing sustains and sings like a motherfucker, even with EMG pickups.

But the point, may be a bit difficult to grasp at first. It's basically a 7-string on steroids, and if you don't want, need or simply can't handle a 7-string, then there is no point in an 8-string guitar for you. As for me, I've already taken the plunge years ago, and I want so, SO bad!
If you see one in a store, try it out. It's really quite easy to play, after you've taken the first 5-10 minutes to get used to the wider fretboard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Jan 2009, 16:33
So, at what point does it become too many strings?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Jan 2009, 16:43
When the strings outnumber your fingers.  On both hands.

See: Eleven string basses.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 02 Jan 2009, 16:54
So, at what point does it become too many strings?

When you can't play it anymore.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 02 Jan 2009, 19:06
When the strings outnumber your fingers.  On both hands.

(http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/4700/4709/harp_1_lg.gif)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Jan 2009, 19:19
When the strings outnumber your fingers.  On both hands.

See: Eleven string basses.
What about 12-string guitars?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 02 Jan 2009, 21:32

...and if you don't want, need or simply can't handle a 7-string,

[/quote

NEED ain't got nothin' to do with it!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Jan 2009, 21:50
When the strings outnumber your fingers.  On both hands.

*Harp.*

Hmm...Touché.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Gemmwah on 03 Jan 2009, 14:23
I missed this thread <3
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Jan 2009, 21:21
What about 12-string guitars?

Only six count, really. The remaining six just enhance the sound, much like the 13 sympathetic strings on an electric sitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Jan 2009, 07:10
I missed this thread <3

Did you get that SG Custom yet?
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Post by: Cicero on 04 Jan 2009, 07:45
It's not really a lifetime investment since fully custom guitars are less likely to rise in value as time passes. A better example of a lifetime investment would be a NOS 1952 Telecaster.

It is a lifetime investment from the perspective that it'll be a guitar I built myself, put my own work into (besides the finish, etc.) and have it set up the way I want.   So it'll stay (A) with me forever (B) and can pass it down to a family member.    I wouldn't care about the value of it in dollars.    *whistle*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Jan 2009, 07:47
I know that feeling. I'm thinking about scraping money together this summer and either building a clone of a Custom Esquire (double binding yeeee) or a late '60s Jazz Bass. It probably won't cost me more that $600-700, but the sentimental value of having a custom-built instrument is amazing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cicero on 04 Jan 2009, 08:00
I know that feeling. I'm thinking about scraping money together this summer and either building a clone of a Custom Esquire (double binding yeeee) or a late '60s Jazz Bass. It probably won't cost me more that $600-700, but the sentimental value of having a custom-built instrument is amazing.

Yeah, I didn't wanna sound corny -- but that is how it is to me.   I'm looking at shelling up to 1,200 on this -- but I think I can get a much better deal.   I can do the wiring with some help of a friend who is a musical equipment genius (makes his own pedals and shit).   Instruments are like women in many ways.   Heck, I still have my first two guitars I've ever owned that sound like crap and don't even play well anymore just because of how attached I was to them.   Both were given to me.   Doubt I'll ever give them up, regardless of the crappy brands they are (Silvertone acoustic, but it's from the 80s -- I dig it and a Harmony strat rip off, but it's got a bunch of holes drilled in it, and is just a funky monkey!)

Those sound like cool ideas for builds.    Got any finishes in mind?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Jan 2009, 08:22
If I do the Esquire, probably 3-tone sunburst. I found a site that does finished, bound Tele bodies for $300. I'm sending them an email just to check on the binding, though. The Customs of the late '50s and '60s were bound front and back, I'm worried the bodies these guys sell are front only. If that's the case, I'll switch to an unbound body in red. I want to see if I can have someone do up a custom control plate as well. Volume/Tone and the on-off slider switch from a Mustang, instead of a three-way blade with all that screwy tone-switching.

The Jazz Bass would be black with a matching headstock, and a bound neck with block inlays. I got the inspiration off of this beast Elderly's selling for $13,500.

(http://elderly.com/images/vintage/55U/55U-4111_front_sm_.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cicero on 04 Jan 2009, 08:22
I'm droolin' just thinkin' about it dude.   Hope it all plays out well for you.    If you ever get it done, post pictures.    \m/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Jan 2009, 13:13
Shane, really? You're going to custom-build a Geddy Lee signature? I think the turquoise is much nicer, personally, but then I hate all black guitars (with a few exceptions).

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/2/5/230425.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 04 Jan 2009, 18:49
Shane, really? You're going to custom-build a Geddy Lee signature? I think the turquoise is much nicer, personally, but then I hate all black guitars (with a few exceptions).

How about a Ric 4003?  :-D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Jan 2009, 20:43
Black (jetglo) is probably the most boring finish they have 4003s in. I'd sooner go with fireglo or even turquoise over black.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Jan 2009, 07:33
Shane, really? You're going to custom-build a Geddy Lee signature? I think the turquoise is much nicer, personally, but then I hate all black guitars (with a few exceptions).

No, no, no. Rosewood fretboard, matching headstock. Who knows. Maybe I'll end up going Sherwood Green metallic.


edit: Eff it, I'm gonna do the Esquire. I got an email back from that site, their bodies ARE double bound.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Jan 2009, 18:32
Awesome.

Do the Esquire in Sherwood Green!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 05 Jan 2009, 20:29
Black (jetglo) is probably the most boring finish they have 4003s in. I'd sooner go with fireglo or even turquoise over black.

When I got mine Jetglo was unfortunately the only one in stock.
I really would gave liked turqoise...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Jan 2009, 20:39
I'm sure you can trade it off through craigslist for a different finish if you really want. Rics are hard to come by since they're not sold retail so their resale/trade value is phenomenally high.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Jan 2009, 06:47
Awesome.

Do the Esquire in Sherwood Green!

Man, then I'd have to finish it myself. AND bind it. Too much work for this lazy dude.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 06 Jan 2009, 09:15
Fuck you Shane. FUCK YOU.

(http://wildwoodguitars.com/electrics/fender/avts/62tele/se06726/se06726_f.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Jan 2009, 09:20
See? I could just fucking BUY one.

(of course, that's one of those fucking $1500 thin-skin nitro finishes, isn't it?)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 06 Jan 2009, 09:21
Yeah. Also it'd be so much cooler if you made one of those.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Jan 2009, 09:23
If I had any binding/finishing experience, I would.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cicero on 06 Jan 2009, 09:25
This is the body I'm thinking about purchasing.   Something similar to it when I get my refund check in February.   It's beautiful.   Black Korina. . . . MMM.

http://www.warmoth.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_23_29&products_id=42075
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Gemmwah on 06 Jan 2009, 10:17
I missed this thread <3

Did you get that SG Custom yet?

Not yet, but my friend sold his exact one to his Dad, so I'm gonna be nipping at his heels to get his Dad to sell it to me. Omnomnom.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tuna ketchup x on 06 Jan 2009, 10:42
I have a Schecter Ultra-III and my G string is not only constantly detuning, but is also always the first to break. No matter how old the strings are. Even if I only replace the G.

I have maybe a dozen sets of strings that are missing the G at this point. Conspiracy, or am I doing something wrong? I've used everything from ultra-lights to medium-heavies. Wound and unwound. Flat steel, nickel, you name it.

I have a Daisy Rock, which is basically a short scale Schechter "for girls." It never freakin stayed in tune. And the strings always broke, and now that you mention it, G was usually the culprit. In my case it was because the grooves on the nut were too sharp (the nut itself also fell off). The guitar store guys said I could sand down the nut grooves to make them both deeper and less sharp but I bought a much better guitar that same day and haven't used the DR since. I hesitate to say "Schechter sucks" but it's a mightly coincidence here.

In other guitar news, I feel like my self-teaching has hit a brick wall and have signed up for lessons! It's my Xmas gift to myself. I have the first lesson this week. I am worried about being totally humiliated, though, considering this teacher handles a lot of kids as well as adults, maybe I'm not that bad? If anything paying for lessons will give me the push to practice every day because I totally have NOT been playing every day, as I should.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 06 Jan 2009, 10:57
Next time I have the strings off, I'll give the nut a much closer look. It shouldn't be sharp considering that it's like a little wheel, but stranger things have happened. I love the guitar otherwise. Way better than the Ibanez Rio I had before it. That thing wasn't worth buying and keeping for so long.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: billiumbean on 06 Jan 2009, 11:13
In other guitar news, I feel like my self-teaching has hit a brick wall and have signed up for lessons! It's my Xmas gift to myself. I have the first lesson this week. I am worried about being totally humiliated, though, considering this teacher handles a lot of kids as well as adults, maybe I'm not that bad? If anything paying for lessons will give me the push to practice every day because I totally have NOT been playing every day, as I should.
If I can quote Mitch Hedberg, "I tried teaching myself guitar, but I did not know guitar, so I was not a very good teacher."

Self teaching will do that to you.  I think in my five years of playing I've hit about ten or twelve brick walls.  Sort of the downside of teaching yourself, really.  But I prefer it, personally, because I am able to build my own style from the ground up and learn all of my lessons without real precaution, which I like because it helps them to sink in when I mess up.  I definitely go at a slower pace than my friend who actually took lessons for a long time when it comes to learning a song and retaining it, but I write a lot more than him and can improvise a lot more efficiently, which I think is a direct result.

Are you getting private lessons or are you in a small group setting?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: tuna ketchup x on 06 Jan 2009, 12:18
Are you getting private lessons or are you in a small group setting?

Private. I might have preferred a group, since I could compare notes with classmates and maybe find a like-minded musical mate, but this guy lives in my neighborhood (convenient!) and only charges $15 per 40-minute lesson. Much cheaper than, say, taking a class at the local university. Once I have good fundamentals, then I can worry about my "style."
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: billiumbean on 06 Jan 2009, 13:30
Are you getting private lessons or are you in a small group setting?

Private. I might have preferred a group, since I could compare notes with classmates and maybe find a like-minded musical mate, but this guy lives in my neighborhood (convenient!) and only charges $15 per 40-minute lesson. Much cheaper than, say, taking a class at the local university. Once I have good fundamentals, then I can worry about my "style."
I think that those two compliment each other.  I don't think going to lessons will limit you, I just feel like being self-taught produces a much more crude-yet-pure result.  I know that when I pick up my guitar, I'll play something totally of myself, of a method I put blood and tears into, and something that reflects something with no curve or tint.

I guess it's the same photograph with a different frame.

Is there some specific fundamental method you want to learn, or is this just incentive to practice in a more effective manner?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 08 Jan 2009, 04:28
Silverburst LPs are fucking jizzworthy
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 08 Jan 2009, 06:49
Silverburst finishes in general just look fucking awesome.

I've had the pleasure of seeing a '79 Silverburst Flying V up close, and even though it was beat to shit it was still so, so sexy!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Jan 2009, 07:13
Orange CR15R Crush 15W amp (http://www.orange-amps.com/products.asp?Action=View&ID=92)
Limited Edition Les Paul Custom Silverburst (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/electric_guitars/epiphone/limited_edition_les_paul_custom_silverburst/index.html) (I found a very affordable price for it)

For all your not Boris liking, you bought Wata's guitar of choice (LP Custom) and amp brand of choice (Orange).  :-D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Jan 2009, 08:55
It's actually more like two Retro 50s and an AD 140 perched on top of three 4x12"s, but you get the idea. Her rig is about twice as tall as she is.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/captain_applesauce/1224082207-1.jpg)
(I am still not sure why Southern Lord prints the lyrics in English when they don't sing in English)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cicero on 08 Jan 2009, 09:05
Jeans, if you're starting out that is a good combo.    I prefer real Gibson's over Epiphone's and the Orange amp you bought isn't a tube amp -- but for the price you paid -- you're getting a good deal and you'll have a nice little set up.  Get a pedal or too (if it suits your fancy) and you're on your way to rock and roll.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Jan 2009, 09:28
I'd agree if Gibsons weren't so hideously overpriced.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cicero on 08 Jan 2009, 09:31
I'd agree if Gibsons weren't so hideously overpriced.

Yeah, it is a little crazy.   I dunno though.   I guess if I use my Musician's Friend CC, that I have no problem paying the extra 5/10 bucks a month to get a Gibson Firebird as opposed to the Epiphone model.   Then again, I always prefer to play whatever I'm looking at before I buy it.    There are a lot of Epiphone's that have played just as good if not better than the Gibson's of similar models that are 300-500 bucks more, if not higher.    Just gotta do what you think is in your best interest.   I just know I'll never play out of a solid state amp the rest of my life.   That is a guarantee. 
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Post by: Cicero on 08 Jan 2009, 10:40
Orange Amps are great.   I actually had that 15R model myself.   It has a real great clean tone to it and gets a real bluesy crunch with the boost/OD option.   It's really cool for the price and yeah, it definitely looks awesome.   Orange amps are definitely my favorite.   You got a nice little set up bro.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 08 Jan 2009, 12:03
I'd agree if Gibsons weren't so hideously overpriced.

FIGHT YOU
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 08 Jan 2009, 16:11
Not all of us can afford as many guitars as you, Lummer.

But I suppose you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 08 Jan 2009, 16:33
Oh my goodness Jens that is so fucking cool
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2009, 07:31
Not all of us can afford as many guitars as you, Lummer.

But I suppose you get what you pay for.

I think Patrick has the snapped off headstock of an SG to counter-argue that point.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2009, 13:48
That is not a quality issue, it is a poor fucking design issue. Take the most old-school, road-worthy Les Paul or SG and drop it like Patrick did and you will have the same result.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 09 Jan 2009, 17:53
Dropping a guitar - possibly not the greatest idea in the world.
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Post by: pwhodges on 10 Jan 2009, 02:08
How does it compare with dropping a piano (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392122-details/The+moment+delivery+men+dropped+a+%C2%A345,000+grand+piano+off+the+back+of+a+lorry/article.do)?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 10 Jan 2009, 02:58
Not nearly as dramatic or entertaining, at all!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Jan 2009, 08:17
That is not a quality issue, it is a poor fucking design issue.

I seem to recall hearing that the heel design on the first double-cutaway LP Specials was so weak that the neck would sometimes just fall off.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 10 Jan 2009, 09:10
Dropping a guitar - possibly not the greatest idea in the world.

I once heard that, among the thousands of other explanations of what the words mean, that "Wang Chung" was the sound a guitar made if you dropped it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Jan 2009, 09:19
I think, more specifically, it came from the old Quick Draw McGraw cartoons. When he turned into El Kabong and smashed a guitar over somebody? WANGCHUNNNNNNG

(http://www.cartonionline.com/gif/CARTOON/hanna_e_barbera/ernesto_sparalesto/Ernesto_sparalesto_kabong.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 10 Jan 2009, 09:28
That very well could be. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 Jan 2009, 12:26
Jesus Shane how the shit do you know that?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 12 Jan 2009, 12:43
What? Didn't you ever watch that show? It's a classic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beaumont on 12 Jan 2009, 21:04
I just traded off my Tele plus some cash for this. Gibson ES 137 Classic. I love her.

(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3742/chloehx2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 12 Jan 2009, 21:39
That is a lovely guitar. 

And it that a Scottish Coat of Arms above it?  It looks a lot like:   Or, a lion rampant within a double tressure flory counter-flory Gules.

I'll drink a cup to Scotland yet,
Wi' a' the honours three.
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Post by: Ballard on 12 Jan 2009, 21:46
Guitar envy sets in in three.. two.. fuck gimme I want.  :-(

It's gorgeous mate. What Tele was it?
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Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Jan 2009, 21:55
So jealous.  So very jealous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Jan 2009, 02:33
Beaumont, I hate you for that guitar. Give plz.

So I FINALLY got the screw I was looking for, and I go to install my Fender Mute, because, well, it's pretty. I mean, I'll probably never even use the thing, but it's too pretty to just leave there. Anyway, I go to install it, and what do I find out? One of the screwholes is completely stripped. I found out because the screw just plain popped out of the hole, it didn't even give me wood shavings. And since the thing is spring loaded, when that popped, the other one was overstressed and popped out too. This time, I got wood shavings. Fuck! I don't like seeing wood shavings come out of a guitar I spent over a grand on.

So basically I have to wait a month before my Minwax wood filler gets here so I can fill the holes, re-drill some pilot holes for the fucker (and make damn certain they are centered and square to the body) and then try again. That pisses me off though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2009, 07:15
Jesus Shane how the shit do you know that?

I loved QDM when I was little! (also I was just going along with what celticgeek said. I have no fucking clue.)

I just traded off my Tele

Um, FAIL. =(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 13 Jan 2009, 07:49
Jesus Shane how the shit do you know that?

I loved QDM when I was little! (also I was just going along with what celticgeek said. I have no fucking clue.)


And you think that I have one?????
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2009, 08:11
I figured you were joking. I just continued it.
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Jan 2009, 09:44
I just traded off my Tele

Um, FAIL. =(
[/quote]

You shut your whore mouth Shane, that is an ES-137, it shits on Teles.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2009, 10:03
Man, you know I think Telecasters are the best thing since sliced bread. And learn how to tag your shit. Goofy-assed offset player.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beaumont on 13 Jan 2009, 10:14
celticgeek:
yea, it's the old scottish flag

Ballard:
it was an American Standard Telecaster
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Jan 2009, 10:16
Totally worth the trade, Beaumont. The 137 has such a distinct snarling tone. I love it and I am seeeeriously jealous of your new acquisition.

Also Shane you know you'd totally go for that Dano offset you showed me a while ago. I don't care what the guys on OSG say about it, I think it's gorgeous even in orange :B
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2009, 10:21
If I get one, it'd either be orange, red, or that dark blue.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 13 Jan 2009, 10:25
So I was just looking through my old Photobucket when this came up:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v44/otherrealchris/super_guitar.jpg)

It was half-done by msPaint, half by kisekae tele. Man do I wish I could send this in somewhere and get an actual guitar sent back to me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 13 Jan 2009, 10:29
@patrick
Dude, just break some toothpicks in half and shove them in the screw hole.  I wound up doing that with some strap locks I got for my Firebird when I found out one hole was a bit larger than the screws I got.  Works peachy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2009, 10:38
For reference, this is the '09 Danelectro.

(http://danelectro.com/images/guitar_2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 13 Jan 2009, 10:41
WAT

A Coral reissue

*leaves keyboard to look for new boxers*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2009, 10:42
See also: this in Baritone, and a copper-burst Longhorn bass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jan 2009, 10:55
Oh my.

Oh sweet Jesus.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 13 Jan 2009, 11:05
http://www.danguitars.com/2009Danos.html (http://www.danguitars.com/2009Danos.html)

According to this, they're only gonna be $399. Not fucking bad at all.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2009, 11:12
That's MSRP, too. They'll be a little lower than that. Probably $350ish?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Jan 2009, 11:42
So I was just looking through my old Photobucket when this came up:

(pictar)

It was half-done by msPaint, half by kisekae tele. Man do I wish I could send this in somewhere and get an actual guitar sent back to me.

?????????? (http://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson-Inspired-By-Johnny-A-Standard-Semi-Hollow-Electric-Guitar-with-Bigsby-513728-i1173665.gc)
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Post by: Tehz on 13 Jan 2009, 11:50
Goddamn Patrick, that is hot.


On an unrelated note, last night I had a dream where my dad barged in my room with a new Fender AVRI Jaguar, claiming he bought it for me from some idiot for a hundred bucks. I think my subconscious hates me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 13 Jan 2009, 12:11
Yeah but mine has the horns rounded off so it's kind of like a mini-335.

Regardless, that Johnny A model is pretty gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 13 Jan 2009, 16:35
What's going on with the pickguard on that dano?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 13 Jan 2009, 17:05
omgomgomgomgomgomg

those danos.

WANT!
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Post by: greenMonkey on 13 Jan 2009, 17:35
Jesus I want one of those in a Bari.

But I already have a Dano.  And my next guitar purchase has to wait until after I finish my fixed gear bike and then make some money (probably by selling my drumset).  I want a pretty good, around $500 acoustic electric.  I'm thinking Alvarez right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 13 Jan 2009, 17:46
Gibson ES 137 Classic

'09 Danelectro

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Jan 2009, 22:56
That Dano Hornet is so sexy, I made it the background on my lappy. I think I've found my next guitar obsession.

I mean seriously, listen to the way those lipstick tubes sound. SO SPARKLY
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sgweiss on 14 Jan 2009, 01:48
Here's my new Steinberger Synapse XS-15FPA, I just got it about two months ago! It's the best bass I've ever played, and my first 5-string. I cannot brag on it enough, it's just perfect. Any bassist reading this, you have to play one of these ASAP, you will fall in love with it instantly. I was considering buying a Rickenbacker for it's classic rock sound, but the Steinberger won me over. The overall tone is amazing, with a lot of punch to it, and a sustain to die for. For those not aware, the Synapse line can use regular single-ball strings, as well as the double-ball strings. I realize I sound like a salesman at this point, but it's just that awesome.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/h4cknt0sh/IMG_1030.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/h4cknt0sh/IMG_1038.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Jan 2009, 04:40
Maybe it makes me shallow, but I sincerely doubt I could ever fall in love with a bass that looks like THAT.
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Post by: Spluff on 14 Jan 2009, 06:10
Are you kidding? That thing is awesome.
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Post by: Thrillho on 14 Jan 2009, 06:17
It's fucking hideous.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Jan 2009, 07:14
It looks like it balances so incredibly poorly.
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Post by: Patrick on 14 Jan 2009, 07:57
I'm with Gaz. Thing looks like a fucked up sperm cell.

I played the guitar version of that thing once. Had a crappy time of it, because I couldn't figure out how to tune the thing (let alone get it into drop D). Then the lack of a headstock messed with my head. I am too lazy to get used to that configuration.
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Post by: Ballard on 14 Jan 2009, 09:35
Anyone who buys a Steinberger over a Rick is doing it terribly wrong. Re-evaluate your priorities pronto.
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Post by: Harun on 14 Jan 2009, 10:23
I'd rather play an ugly looking instrument that sounds and plays better than an instrument that doesn't do much else than look pretty.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Jan 2009, 10:24
You have probably never played neither a Rick nor a Steinberger, have you?
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Post by: Ballard on 14 Jan 2009, 10:28
You have probably never played either a Rick or a Steinberger, have you?
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Post by: Patrick on 14 Jan 2009, 13:56
You have probably never played either a Rick or a Steinberger, have you?
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Post by: Patrick on 14 Jan 2009, 14:42
Matt never said that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 14 Jan 2009, 14:44
I hate babies, puppies, and guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sgweiss on 14 Jan 2009, 19:54
It looks like it balances so incredibly poorly.
Actually, completely the opposite! It is the most balanced bass I've played. Most every other bass I've played is very neck heavy, especially my Thunderbird. If I were to let go of the Steinberger completely, it just stays in playing position. The strap hook is the secret, it makes sure the weight is evenly distributed across the guitar.

Check out these two videos, they might win some of you over  :wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDeiyx2mByo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltUbWP5_hhI

Ned Steinberger might not be the best public speaker, but he gets the point across :-P
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Post by: Spluff on 14 Jan 2009, 20:04
Dude has got this down to a science
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Post by: David_Dovey on 14 Jan 2009, 21:08
Fuck Buckethead directly in his stupid face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW_VGN3wUg8)
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Post by: Harun on 14 Jan 2009, 21:33
I have played many many different guitars, including a Steinberger and a Rickenbacker. The Rickenbacker I played was an old as balls cutaway that was my uncle's. It looked and sounded old as balls. But I guess if you want to play old as balls sounding music then it'd probably work out for you. I haven't played a more modern Rick, so I can't say how they play. (how do they play/sound btw)?

When I used to take guitar lessons my teacher would bring in his Steinberger Synapse sometimes. Some of y'all may think it don't look pretty, but it plays incredibly. They were designed to have minimal looks, and maximum playability. I think they designed them well. How many of you have played a Steinberger? Were you still turned off by them even though they play and sound like a dream? I couldn't give an antelope's left testicle about what a guitar looks like if I like how it plays and sounds.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 14 Jan 2009, 21:39
Be careful what you wish for.

(http://www.guitaristka.ru/DRUGOE/guitars/carverdoug/wangcaster.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Harun on 14 Jan 2009, 21:51
Hey, if the wangcaster played like a Steinberger, I'd play the shit out of it. I would rock out with my cock-shaped guitar out.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 14 Jan 2009, 21:56
I am going to guess that the Wangcaster sounds exactly how it looks. Like a big wooden dick.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Jan 2009, 22:01
I've played a Steinberger once.  I did not like it at all.

Also:

Fuck Buckethead directly in his stupid face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW_VGN3wUg8)

*Fap fap fap fap fap fap.*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 15 Jan 2009, 00:18
Why couldn't you link to something good, like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8akmP6Sjv2o)?
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Post by: atimholt on 15 Jan 2009, 01:55
Because of the above link, I am currently downloading all of Buckethead's subscription-available albums from the Zune Marketplace.
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Post by: Nitre on 15 Jan 2009, 05:58
Seriously, people need to stop thinking Buckethead's only song is Jordan.  If you haven't heard the amazing range of his abilities, listen to Colma and then Decoding the tomb of Bansheebot.

He's easily one of the most versatile guitarist/composer people i've heard (i haven't heard many, but yeah), even though he does have some really weird and experimental stuff.

Here's a few of my favourites:

Ghost Host (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FoywuAfR8KQ&feature=channel_page)

King James (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OiTKSYWSr3g&feature=channel_page)

And for contrast, Machete (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uGTOVKEWaBU)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 15 Jan 2009, 07:38
My favourites are his more mellow acoustic/clean ones, or the ones that crescendo. Colma and Electric Tears are the albums I listen to most regularly.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Jan 2009, 08:16
Guys, I think Buckethead is pretty boring.
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Post by: Harun on 15 Jan 2009, 08:45
ehhh, he's got mad chops/versatility, but his music is boring (see: Vai, Satriani [YOU KNOW IT TRUE]). Plus he haz a bukket on his head.


I'd rather listen to Jason Becker.


And while we're on the subject of 'virtuosos,' John5 is a pretty underrated guitarist. If you don't know about his solo albums, check them out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 15 Jan 2009, 09:37
Maybe it makes me shallow, but I sincerely doubt I could ever fall in love with a bass that looks like THAT.
But IF one should find oneself up shit creek and they had this hideous thing, it would work as a paddle, no?
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Post by: Patrick on 15 Jan 2009, 11:13
He's easily one of the most versatile guitarist/composer people i've heard (i haven't heard many, but yeah), even though he does have some really weird and experimental stuff.

Speaking of guitar and composers, I personally like Mozart, myself. I bet he'd shit himself if he ever heard me playing "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik" on my Jag like I decided to do last night.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 16 Jan 2009, 01:53
Being the giant Cynic fan that I am, I would KILL for a Steinie like the one Paul Masvidal uses!

That said, from this year's NAMM:

(http://www.axepalace.com/img/namm/cap05.jpg)
(http://www.axepalace.com/img/namm/cap07.jpg)

Fixed bridge Caparison 7-string?! OH GOD OH JESUS OH FUCK SHIT FUCK ASS YEAAH

I'm so saving up for this.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Harun on 16 Jan 2009, 08:01
Caparison's are so sexy. I've been lusting for a Horus for years.  :-o

(http://www.kyowashokai.co.jp/caparison%20horus/horus-hgs%20ow.gif)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 16 Jan 2009, 08:19
...the fuck, does that thing have 26 frets
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Post by: Harun on 16 Jan 2009, 08:24
27







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Post by: valley_parade on 16 Jan 2009, 08:29
Christ why do you need so many frets?
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Post by: Patrick on 16 Jan 2009, 09:12
27 frets, a locking tremolo, locking nut, single bridge humbucker and a slanted neck pickup.

Who the fuck designed that, Herman Li?
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Post by: BlahBlah on 16 Jan 2009, 09:42
I usually clean mine by taking all the strings off and using Silvo on the frets and tuners. For the body I just use a little bit of polish and rub it with a yellow cloth.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: october1983 on 16 Jan 2009, 10:06
The problem with the last two posts is they are working on the false assumption that blood on a guitar is not totally awesome.
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Post by: Liz on 16 Jan 2009, 10:47
Just stop playing ridiculous songs until you get the hang of it.

Also pics of your chin plz. kthxbai
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 16 Jan 2009, 11:24
The problem with the last two posts is they are working on the false assumption that blood on a guitar is not totally awesome.

THIS

Also: Liz what are you doing here, I know you don't play guitar. Do you just stalk Jens' profile, hit "most recent posts" and respond to every single one?
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Post by: Thrillho on 16 Jan 2009, 12:00
Bleeding when you play guitar is great. It just means you're putting everything into it. I love it when I bleed from guitar playing.
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Post by: BlahBlah on 16 Jan 2009, 13:06
Rory Gallagher did it all the time and that man was awesome, therefore it must be good.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 16 Jan 2009, 14:20
27 frets, a locking tremolo, locking nut, single bridge humbucker and a slanted neck pickup.

Who the fuck designed that, Herman Li?

Caparison are way above having a no-talent hack like him as an endorser ;)

It was designed by an Asian, though, so close enough!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2009, 14:27
Don't worry Jens, I still fuck my fingers up the same way when I get into it and strum too aggressively. A damp cloth with water is fine to clean the finish, just make sure it's not leaking drops or they may drip down to something electronic. As for your fingers, learn to hold your pick in a way that is most comfortable for you (chances are you're leaving too little space on the tip which is why you collided with the strings) and be slightly more careful.
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Post by: valley_parade on 16 Jan 2009, 14:58
27 frets, a locking tremolo, locking nut, single bridge humbucker and a slanted neck pickup.

Who the fuck designed that, Herman Li?

No, this is Herman Li's signature Ibanez.

(http://ibanez.com/images/eg/products/EGEN18TVF.gif)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2009, 15:13
You have to give him credit, that could have been a lot worse.
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Post by: valley_parade on 16 Jan 2009, 15:15
It's got scalloped FINGER GRIPS on the upper horn. Why the butt-ass?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2009, 15:47
You're only missing the high e? Dude that is fine. I learned lead guitar on a shit Epiphone SG that was missing a high e for six months.

Then I had to readjust my style to include the damn e when I finally restringed the guitar but you get my point.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 16 Jan 2009, 17:07
How the hell did you cut your hand there?
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Post by: valley_parade on 16 Jan 2009, 18:01
I have the pick at the end of the thumb.
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Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2009, 18:02
You're almost right but the pick should be coming out of the soft pad portion of your thumb (the end of your nail should be down the middle of the pick) and not far back like it is now. You'll have much better control.

Spluff, it's easy to cut the top of your index finger. Just strum too hard and repeatedly catch the strings with that piece of skin. It's like a really shitty paper cut over and over and over.
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Post by: Spluff on 16 Jan 2009, 18:06
Weird. I've never done that. You'd have to be strumming pretty wildly to actually miss with your hand and hit that far up.

Also, hold the pick however you feel comfortable. There is no standard way to hold a pick - I personally just hold it between the thumb and the forefinger.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 16 Jan 2009, 18:23
I suppose I can see how that could happen, if you hold the pick like you have posted.
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Post by: Harun on 16 Jan 2009, 18:42
how the heck do you play holding a pick like that? no wonder you cut your hand

I hold the pick between the middle of the end of the pad of my thumb, and the left side of the end of the pad of my index (haha that's a mouthful).
it kind of looks like that hand gesture where you make a circle with your thumb and index and have your other fingers sticking up in a curly spiral shape (like if you were some italian chef kissing your fingers). I don't know how else to explain it. Anyways, that was the way I've always played. If you're holding right in the way I explain it, you can play pretty much any way from that position. And you won't slice your hand doing it. But if you feel comfortable with the way you're playing, then more power to you.

<- I've been using Dunlop Jazz III's almost the entire time I've been playing. When you play Jazz III's, and then try to play with another pick, it feels like you're playing with a pick made out of soggy cardboard. Eww.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2009, 21:56
Haha, I use .60 gauge Dunlop Ultex picks.   Good for anything.
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Post by: Tehz on 16 Jan 2009, 21:57
Fuck yeah Ultex.
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Post by: Patrick on 16 Jan 2009, 22:53
Haha, I use .60 gauge Dunlop Ultex picks.   Good for anything.

Toooooo thin
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Post by: Christophe on 16 Jan 2009, 23:22
That's what she said.

I can't remember what gauge of picks I use, but I just pulled out an old red dunlop from my bedpost. Damn that shit was thin. I prefer mine thick.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 16 Jan 2009, 23:25
REAL MEN USE 2.0
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Post by: Ballard on 17 Jan 2009, 00:33
Word Matt I prefer .53 picks. All of you fucks with thick picks are clearly trying to compensate for something.
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Post by: Harun on 17 Jan 2009, 00:50
I don't know about you, but I HATEHATEHATEHATEBEAK pick flex. The Jazz III's are not that thick, but because they're so small (that's what she said) and the tip is a lot pointier than a normal pick (that's what she said), they're super stiff (that's what she said), the attack is super clean, and you get more tone out of every single note you play. I've tried playing with different picks, but sometimes what I'm trying to play is faster than the pick can handle (that's what she said), and the flex slows me down/makes me sound sloppy (that's what she said). Try play your favorite scale (major/minor/hungarian minor) at 240bpm with a 0.5mm thick pick. Then try it with a Jazz III or a pick greater than or equal to 1mm. The difference if pretty noticeable. Do you guys just play doom metal or post-rock or something? 'Cuz then I guess the pick thickness doesn't matter (that's what she said).
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Post by: Spluff on 17 Jan 2009, 00:57
I can do that just as easily with a thin pick as a thick pick. The only real difference is tone.
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Post by: valley_parade on 17 Jan 2009, 05:13
Word Matt I prefer .53 picks. All of you fucks with thick picks are clearly trying to compensate for something.

Christ, why not just use a sheet of paper? (I play Dunlop .73 Tortex)
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Post by: Der Golem on 17 Jan 2009, 05:31
I just recently made the leap from using 1.0 gauge standard shaped picks to 2.0 tiny jazz picks, and fuck. Every note I play is more pronounced, pinch harmonics are much easier to pull off well, and i can play faster. But these things are not going to matter until you are playing things that a regular sized pick can't handle. When your picking is barely keeping up with your fretting hand, then maybe its time to try another type of pick.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 17 Jan 2009, 06:24
I started using a thinner pick (about like Fender mediums) on the Nitefly because I was going through strings too quickly. Then I got the 1mm nylon jim dunlops and they give a bit more so I am happy happy with them. So it's not just the thickness it is the material the picks are made of. But. If you have to prove your manliness by pick thickness, string gauge or the size of your monster truck you might just want to go ahead and look into those male enhancement spams you've been receiving.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 17 Jan 2009, 06:58
Christ, why not just use a sheet of paper?

...shit, dude, if you took a piece of paper and folded it over a few times, then used the corner, I bet that would actually sound really cool. It'd probably only last as long as, say, Chris in bed (way to not finish me off, asshole), but I bet it'd sound kindof like playing a bass with a felt pick.

http://www.box.net/shared/zkj0ehh6su

I finally got GarageBand the other day, it finished torrenting after like 3-4 days. I recorded that today. The amp modeling software in that program really is a load of shit if you're looking for low noise. But holy shit, my Jag sounds like it's being played over an ancient-ass dusty vinyl record.

My playing/the ending could've been better :(
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Post by: valley_parade on 17 Jan 2009, 07:07
So guys, the NAMM show is this weekend. Vox came out with a vague reissue of the old '61 AC4, and..I'm getting one. I am definitely FUCKING GETTING AN AC4TV. It's like all those other micro-tube combos out there, though it has a power attenuator to switch between four, one, or one-quarter watts. Plus it's pretty.

(http://www.harmony-central.com/ProductImages/Medium/000050370.jpg)

link! (http://www.voxamps.com/us/modernclassic/ac4tv/)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Der Golem on 17 Jan 2009, 07:22
@Doombilly

The 1mm jim dunlops are what I was using, and they are very good for a lot af things, but the fast paced galloping/chugging I like to do sounds way better with thicker ones. Also, one of the things I used to like about Dunlops, the good grip they had, now kinda bugs me because it is too far from the point of the pick, so I had to adjust the position of my thumb off the grip to do any squeeling. So i guess what I'm saying is while the 1mm may suit you better, it's kinda dismissive to assume everyone who prefers thicker picks is making up for a miniscule penis.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 Jan 2009, 08:34
Oh man, I have to get one of those AC4's instead of a Valve Junior.  Shit, those are sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 17 Jan 2009, 09:27
Man, tremolo picking with anything lower than .73 kinda sucks, to be honest. I mean, yeah, I use .48s or .73s most of the time, but when I'm dicking around and butchering Dick Dale songs or something, I grab a 1.14 tortex. If nothing else they're a helluva lot more grippy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: negative creep on 17 Jan 2009, 10:09
Do you guys just play doom metal or post-rock or something?


OH GOD YES (that's what she said)
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Post by: Ballard on 17 Jan 2009, 10:17
it's kinda dismissive to assume everyone who prefers thicker picks is making up for a miniscule penis.

Nah only those people who are like "HAI GUYS U R NOT TRU PUNX BCUZ UR PICK IS NOE 38 FT. THICK LOL"

There's a startling amount of those people.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 Jan 2009, 11:36
If there's anything I hate more than super-thick picks (because I'll be honest, those tiny jazz picks have a sweet tone), it's those super-thin picks.  The ones that take a great amount of effort and focus to even pluck a string.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 17 Jan 2009, 14:03
I'm not saying that everybody should start using those obscenely thick (like, 3mm) Stubby picks or whatever. They sound like shit anyway. I'm just saying, man, how can any of you guys play with that cellophane shit you're talking about?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 17 Jan 2009, 14:53
Three notes:

1. I played through an actual (NOT reissue) 1965 Fender Deluxe Reverb today and it was incredible. The cleans were just...wow. And the reverb sounds great.

2. I also played the Squier Classic Vibe Duo-Sonic. The Classic Vibe series seems to be getting a lot of postive reviews on the forums I frequent. The guitar sounded nice, but the neck looked and felt like plastic instead of wood, and it really made me hate the guitar.

3. The new Epiphone Slash signature Les Paul goldtop is really disappointing. The neck's too chunky for me and I just couldn't find a tone I liked. I was playing the same amp I ran the Duo-Sonic through (Fender Blues Deluxe and a EHX USSR Big Muff Pi).

Pee Ess I found a Squier Vista series Jagmaster for $275. If they have it when I come back to Boston in April, I'm buying it.
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Post by: Pixelante on 17 Jan 2009, 15:44
I'm lurking around these forums for awhile now and figured I actually post my gear. Sadly, my digital camera decided to bite the big out and I'm not able to show off any photos of my actually stuff. So with out further adieu, here's some photos of other peoples' stuff that looks similar to my stuff:

Guitar: Billy Corgan Stratocaster
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3256/3204186623_7e41759ef4_m.jpg)
Love the feel and sound of this guitar. Too bad latches of the G&G case that it came in broke after a week. Anyone know if there's a way to replace said latches?

Amp: Music Man 212HD-150 (circa 1982 as far )
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3094/3205035574_9696668632_m.jpg)
Probably paid too much for it but not nearly as much as a similar era fender twin. Oh, and its loud... really, really loud.

Bass: Fender Japan Domestic Aerodyne Jazz Bass
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3387/3205035600_f4e57c586b_m.jpg)
Found this a few year back in a local music store. Not sure if its was a mix up on Fender Japan part or what.

I currently lack a working bass amp (dropped my fender frontman off the front porch of my old apartment when I was moving out). I was told I could run my bass through the Music Man as its a heavy duty but everything I've ever been told concerning basses and guitar amps seems to suggest that it would only end badly. 
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Post by: Patrick on 17 Jan 2009, 17:29
Give me that Music Man plz
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Post by: Bearer on 17 Jan 2009, 20:54
All this talk about picks, man, eff that.  Finger-picking for the win.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 Jan 2009, 21:09
Heh.  When I'm playing my acoustic, most of the time I opt to do the John Darnielle thing and play with my fingernail.  Which is why the nail on my index finger is flat on one side and rounded on the other.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 17 Jan 2009, 22:06
Man, I can't tremolo-pick period. I'm getting better at playing quicker (I've found it tougher to play fast sitting, because of the angle my arm is at), but I still can't tremolo for shit. I think it has to do with my angle, I usually end up hitting the pick on the broad-side on the upstroke.

I use those ibanez picks with the really fine sandpaper on them, I've worn off a good bit of the sandpaper by now, actually. Starting to have grip issues. I wonder if playing with gloves could sound decent, unless I was fingerpicking.
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Post by: Lummer on 18 Jan 2009, 06:13
One of my dearest possessions, is my flintstone plectrum. It's about the the size of a Jazz III XL, and 3-4 mm thick. It's a bit heavier than a normal pick, obviously, but it rocks. There is so much spank in the attack when I play with it.
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Post by: valley_parade on 18 Jan 2009, 06:18
Does it ever shoot out sparks when you're playing?

Cos it should.
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Post by: Patrick on 18 Jan 2009, 06:24
I would watch the band with sparks flying from their hands.
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Post by: Cernunnos on 18 Jan 2009, 06:36
flintstone plectrum...

..it rocks.

ha
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Post by: Lummer on 18 Jan 2009, 09:47
That wasn't intentional. I am truly sorry.
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Post by: Tehz on 18 Jan 2009, 10:58
Holy shit guys. HOLY SHIT.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/kalnaar_khan/OrangeBooth2.jpg)

The Orange Dual Terror. Switchable 15/30 watts, from what I've read. Goddammit, NAMM, why do you have to give us so much awesome stuff all at once? I'm not made of money!

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Post by: Cernunnos on 18 Jan 2009, 11:51
Lummer I figured as much. I am the asshole making puns here. Because I love puns.
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Post by: BlahBlah on 18 Jan 2009, 12:35
oh man oh man


soo, my sunn head has been making a squealing noise whenever i unplug my bass but leave the cable in the input jack on the head

i'm thinking this is a cable issue, or there's something wrong with my amp? but i'm in a noise-rock band so all extraneous painful sounds are kind of a nice addition

Wait, you mean you have the amp on, with a cable plugged into it but nothing else attached to the cable? All amps I've tried make horrible noises when I do that.
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Post by: sean on 18 Jan 2009, 12:59
Thats very odd then. My ampeg combo always does that. It makes a squeal-esque noise when unplugged and goes BRRRZZZZZZZZZZZZOHGODTHENOISE when it touches something.

Also I am so excited since I am finally gonna mod up my squier bass with fancy p-bass pickups for the cap'n jazz part 5 band i am starting. shit yes!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Jan 2009, 13:34
Man every amp I've ever used has done that when I pulled the plug out of my guitar's output jack. So bad for your speakers!

Speaking of which, I think it is bad for my friend's Marshall MG10CD when I plug my guitar directly into my Tonebone (fuck yeah, Christmas rocked this year even though that was basically all I got) and from there it goes directly into the input. I do not care. I simply crank it louder.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 18 Jan 2009, 13:43
I just got punked by a guy on OSG who bought a guitar I was really digging on in a store yesterday (Vista series Jagmaster in red). Damn!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 19 Jan 2009, 00:18
One of my dearest possessions, is my flintstone plectrum. It's about the the size of a Jazz III XL, and 3-4 mm thick. It's a bit heavier than a normal pick, obviously, but it rocks. There is so much spank in the attack when I play with it.
Is it made of flint, or does it have cartoon characters on it? I'm half joking, I'm going to google it after I post.

EDIT: Well, that didn't turn up anything.

To give this post some real worth, I'm going to throw in my 2 cents.
When I'm feeling particularly silly, I switch my squier strat to the nut pickup and scratch the strings up and down with the ridges on the edge of one of those enormous Eisenhower dollar coins. And when I use it as a pick, the scraping plucking sound is the most dominant result. Moreso than the actual note.

and what do you guys think of those brush picks? Just a gimmick?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 19 Jan 2009, 05:29
Man, those gorgeous new Epi Wilshires... man, fuck Epiphone so hard for not making them a full production instrument. Epi's ass + grapefruit spoon is what I'd like to see. That or a cheese knife.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cicero on 19 Jan 2009, 13:08
How much is the Dual Terror in comparison to the Tiny Terror?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 19 Jan 2009, 19:34
http://namm09.musicradar.com/blog/orange-launches-a-trio-of-terrors/ (http://namm09.musicradar.com/blog/orange-launches-a-trio-of-terrors/)

Quote
...the Dual Terror Head is a twin channel, 30-watt head switchable from 30 to 15 or seven watts. One channel is essentially the same as the original Tiny Terror head, while the other is labeled ‘fat channel’, which is kind of self-explanatory. UK RRP is set at £449. We can’t wait to try one.

£449 = About 641 US dollars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 19 Jan 2009, 20:07
GRETSCH, GRETSCH, LEMA SABACHTHANI (http://namm09.musicradar.com/news/gretsch-unveils-fall-out-boy-signature-electromatic-corvette-guitar-the-stump-o-matic/)

Best,
Christopher
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 19 Jan 2009, 20:17
Other than the retarded stripes, that is a mighty fine guitar for an okay guitarist*.

*When I say this I point to their first album, because that one is actually pretty okay.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Jan 2009, 02:07
How come really shitty musicians wind up getting nice guitars as their signature models, thereby ruining them completely?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 20 Jan 2009, 03:41
To be fair though Patrick Stump isn't a musician, he's a salesman for Axe Body Spray
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 20 Jan 2009, 07:30
I'm as talented as he is, where's my signature Tele?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 20 Jan 2009, 08:44
Oh wait I'm building it this summer.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Jan 2009, 10:36
Oh shit, guys.  My pockets are on fire. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Made-in-Korea-Epiphone-Sheraton-II-excellent-condition_W0QQitemZ220347322702QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item220347322702&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50#ebayphotohosting)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Jan 2009, 11:42
Matt if you don't at least bid on that I am going to shit on your face. If I had the money I would do it myself.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Jan 2009, 11:44
I want to bid on it sooo bad.  Has anyone ever tried outbidding someone at the last minute?  That's kind of what I hope to do.  Although, I am nearly broke after paying for my classes this semester.  My mom would probably go apeshit if I bought a guitar, but the way I see it, I deserve a used Sheraton for getting good grades last semester.

...And my birthday is coming up in a few months.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Jan 2009, 12:20
Mine arrives in exactly 345 days. You should totally get this for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 20 Jan 2009, 13:47
Matt you could always try sniping it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Jan 2009, 16:11
That's what I hope to do, but it looks like I won't be able to afford it after I buy books.

I am not very happy about this.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 21 Jan 2009, 09:29
@Doombilly
 So i guess what I'm saying is while the 1mm may suit you better, it's kinda dismissive to assume everyone who prefers thicker picks is making up for a miniscule penis.
Nah, what I am sayinig is if that is your mark of manhoodliness then you are silly. I think it is cool no matter what you use. But the, "I use this so you R teh wuss if you don't" speak is really what I am addressing.
(Oh or what Ballard said).

Also
Tiny Terror x2,
my head esploded. Now my simple Tiny Terror with one gorgeous channel is simply passe.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Jan 2009, 10:01
Hey, if you want to sell it on the cheap now that it's outdated, I'll take it off your hands.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 21 Jan 2009, 10:15
You guys, this is 45 minutes from me. I have no idea what it is, but I love it. Any ideas on the brand or decade?

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/msg/999637419.html
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 21 Jan 2009, 10:26
Yep; it's a 60's japanese made guitar for sure.  It's kind of a weirder one because the body says Teisco, while the headstock looks more like a Kent or japanese Kay.  Keep in mind, these companies all built out of the same factories and some no name frankensteins were made of available parts, so it may be a little of each.  Good beater gitars typically with tinny surf-rock tone.

Editor's Note:  While I live in the Southwest, Belleville, Illinois is my hometown.  I would direct you to local attractions to take in while you're there, but there are none. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 21 Jan 2009, 10:30
Haha. I went to a music festival at the skatepark in downtown Belleville one year. We walked the city streets while some notoriously atrocious bands played.  You are correct in saying that there is nothing cool there.

Is 150 too much for a most-likely tinny guitar when I am currently enrolled in a proggy post-hardcore driven rock band with the occasional psycho-dissonance freakout?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 21 Jan 2009, 10:50
Here's the thing- some of these guitars are great.  Some of them suck.  The great ones have working truss rods and classic-era real Dearmond pickups (think Gretsch).   The shite ones have no truss rod, impossible action, zero intonation, pickups that sound like something radio shack threw away, and will feedback.  In essence, they aren't guitars, they're firweood or something to make a godawful racket with.  This particular one appears to have the Dearmond single coils, and a truss rod that is accessible at the neck.  People who dig these guitars pay big bucks for all original ones of that varierty- in which case I'd say yeah, it's worth $150.  Worst case scenario, even if you hate it you can buy the original parts online and make your investment back several times over.  Plus, for what you play you may get some real intersting tones out of it, and you don't have to baby it or worry about screwing up a guitar. 

(If you decide to keep it for yourself with that Bigsby, I would advise going to stewmac.com and getting a roller bridge or it will never stay in tune. A graphite nut wouldn't hurt either, and will probably be a tonal improvement over the plastic).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 21 Jan 2009, 12:03
I called the guy. He doesn't seem to know much about guitars. He still has the original tuners, and there is a dot inlay missing, but that shouldn't be a big deal.

I AM BUYING IT.

I will let you know how it sounds.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 21 Jan 2009, 12:56
Hey, if you want to sell it on the cheap now that it's outdated, I'll take it off your hands.
Hell no, now mines is KLASSIC!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 22 Jan 2009, 02:19
Is 150 too much for a most-likely tinny guitar when I am currently enrolled in a proggy post-hardcore driven rock band with the occasional psycho-dissonance freakout?

It wouldn't be good for a full-time guitar but I could definitely imagine that kind of tone sounding good in the occasional song or two
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Invammocon on 22 Jan 2009, 03:13
I've been playing guitar for almost a year now. I own a acoustic Yamaha guitar, an Ibanez RX-20 according to the print, a 69' Teisco 110 Tulip or something like that, some childrens guitar made by Tyco, a Fernandes Nomad Deluxe and a one-third scale acoustic guitar, supposedly handmade.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 22 Jan 2009, 05:35
That's a heaping buttload of guitars after only a year. Lucky!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jan 2009, 11:35
I played stuff

One of the guitars I played through that Deluxe Reverb. Vox Typhoon from the mid-late 60s. The guy only wants $375 for it. I'm really tempted right now.

(http://www.voxshowroom.com/ct/guitar/typhoon.gif)
(Though the one I played was orange and didn't have a pickguard)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 22 Jan 2009, 12:00
SHANE,
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 23 Jan 2009, 06:02
Shane you should get it, give it to me, and I will pay you back when I can afford it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 23 Jan 2009, 06:06
All VOX guitars should have crazy push buttons. You should buy it, and glue some on it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 23 Jan 2009, 06:51
Shane you should get it, give it to me, and I will pay you back when I can afford it.

I really do have NO use for a full hollowbody right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 23 Jan 2009, 07:25
Hence me buying it off you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 23 Jan 2009, 07:44
If I buy a guitar down there, it'll likely be a Jagmaster.

(more likely: I spend like $200 on pedals)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 23 Jan 2009, 14:30
Update on the Dual Terror; according to Humbucker Music, they're gonna be 819 USD, which still isn't really all that bad.

http://www.humbuckermusic.com/ordutehe.html (http://www.humbuckermusic.com/ordutehe.html)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 23 Jan 2009, 20:40
Man, this is only semi-related, but I am really pissed off about this.

So I've been rehearsing with my friend Sam (keyboards) for a week or so, since that's all the time we've had, trying to get music together for the Robert Burns Ball that happens in... oh, 12 hours. Our first drummer dropped out with practically no notice, so we've had our second drummer for only two rehearsals. Fortunately, the man is a fucking savage and is the most intuitive and skilled drummer I have ever worked with. He's truly the savior of the ball.

So my mom, being a Scot-o-phile, decided she wanted to sing a few tunes with us. Fair enough. We worked with her for most of the rehearsal last night, with stuff like "Flower of Scotland" and "Wild Mountain Thyme". Very Scottish stuff. So after we've spent all night reworking the song so that the key suits her range, adjusting tempo so that she's happy, basically bent over backwards for her, but it's no trouble because she is right there to tell us how she wants it. We practice all of this shit, using our valuable rehearsal time trying to make her happy.

In the car on the way home: "I want to do it a-cappella."

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 23 Jan 2009, 20:47
I think it would've been awesome if I had just set up my webcam and lappy microphone in front of my drumkit, call you on Skype while you're at the ball, you connect your computer to the sound system, and I play drums/other things you want me to play for the ball.

I think this would be a hilarious way to jam. Maybe we should seriously try that out?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 23 Jan 2009, 20:50
Can't, my laptop broke two days ago. Otherwise I would TOTALLY be down with this.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 23 Jan 2009, 20:53
Poo.

Are there any Fry's Electronics in Albania?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 26 Jan 2009, 07:52
Ok. I bought the guitar.
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc25/glyphic17/SDC10995.jpg)

It looks awesome. The tone is exactly what I wanted. However, I'm not sure what the original setup was. The bigsby is an add-on. The intonation is godawful because of it. I'm talking a half-step off. I've screwed with the stupid bridge that's on the guitar for two hours, and I can't get it any better. Someone suggested putting a roller bridge on. Would that help with the intonation problem, or should I just pretty the thing up and throw it on ebay?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Jan 2009, 07:59
Rolling bridges are basically essential to a Bigsby.  It looks like it had a trapeze tailpiece on it before but someone half-assed putting the trem system on.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 26 Jan 2009, 08:01
In the car on the way home: "I want to do it a-cappella."
You should (respectfully) punch her in the twat. I'm pretty sure that it's in the Bible, and totally justifiable.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 26 Jan 2009, 08:06
I suggested the roller bridge and a graphite nut.  Yes, it will help, as would locking tuners.  The problem with a bigsby is that it totally releases the tension on the strings, which then snag on the bridge saddles when the tension is restored.  A roller bridge helps alleviate some of that problem.  Guitar fetish has them for $22 - http://store.guitarfetish.com/gistbr.html.  The graphite nut also alleviates some snagging, and the locking tuners will maintain string length.  Guitar fetish also has the locking tuners for about $22 - http://store.guitarfetish.com/gisttonsi.html.  A new graphite nut slotted at a store by a knowledgeable technician should be no more than $45.  All in all a nice playing and sounding guitar for less than $250.  Of course, you could say fuck it and sell it, or just buy a stop tail or trapeze bridge and be done with it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Jan 2009, 08:12
Yeah, but why would you do that if you could have a Bigsby?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 26 Jan 2009, 08:16
Cool. Thanks, man. I was hoping to be able to gig/record with the thing right out of the case, but it looks like it's going to be a project guitar. Oh well.

I have never swapped out hardware on a guitar before either, so this is a pretty good chance to learn.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Jan 2009, 14:19
I suggested the roller bridge and a graphite nut.  Yes, it will help, as would locking tuners.

Heh, I've been telling people to do this with their guitars for ages and only now does somebody agree with me.

(as it turns out, I have never had any trem stability issues with my Jag, because the vintage-style slotted tuners lock that shit REAL good, and the floating bridge is a genius design save for the easily-fixed buzz issues)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 26 Jan 2009, 19:27
So, guys.

Added a few stuff to my setup. Here's the lowdown

Guitars:

04' Fender H1 Stratocaster Maple Neck (don't use it live, use it for recording, when looking for specific twangy tones/50's strat tone)
94' Fender American 40th Ann. Strat Rosewood Neck  (Custom '69 Fender PU's, real great 60's sounding stratocaster. Love it.)
93' Orville By Gibson ES-335 (Best guitar I've ever played, ever, ever. Worth millions to me.)

Pedalboard:

Boss TU-2 -> Xotic RC Booster -> JD Jimi Hendrix CryBaby -> Danelectro Cool Cat Chorus -> Fulltone OCD -> Maxon OD-808 -> MXR Supercomp -> JD Fuzzface (early 90's) -> Custom made Tycobrahe Octavia Fuzz -> EHx Deluxe Memory Man

Amps:

Fender Pro Reverb Silverface 1979 (This thing sounds ... perfect. Better than anything else I've played. Would love to try it against an original 65' Twin Reverb, because it beats the reissue out of the water.)

Fender Blues Jr.

--------------

Will get some pics, if you guys wanna see the gear.

Is this enough for some forum cred. around here? I've seen lovely guitars around this topic, makes me want to buy a couple (hundred) more.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Headwoünd on 27 Jan 2009, 04:53
[Lots of shmextacular shtuff]

--------------

Will get some pics, if you guys wanna see the gear.

Noooo for god's sake please don't!!

Duh! :lol: :wink:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cicero on 27 Jan 2009, 08:18
Update on the Dual Terror; according to Humbucker Music, they're gonna be 819 USD, which still isn't really all that bad.

http://www.humbuckermusic.com/ordutehe.html (http://www.humbuckermusic.com/ordutehe.html)



Thanks for the information.   Definitely not a bad price.   So worth it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Jan 2009, 17:43
o hay guise look what i found

(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2099/197/104/807900108/n807900108_5546624_4645.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 28 Jan 2009, 03:36
Holy Jesus Shitfuck

(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3864/mjlnerwebrl1.jpg)

hublfglalglboalfuck

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7665/l484fb59423bf33416dffaaob0.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX7iq5tlJzE
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Jan 2009, 03:42
Oh god guys I'm going to need some eyebleach
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 28 Jan 2009, 04:08
Having to restring that guitar would single handedly inject enough money into the economy, and create enough jobs to get us out of the recession.

[EDIT] Also, wow, there is some pretty cool stuff in that video. That arabian instrument was totally awesome. If only I could understand what he said it was called.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Jan 2009, 06:23
All the comments are like "omg sikkk!" and "fukken awesome!"

I thought it was absolutely awful.  At least the guitar bit at the beginning.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 28 Jan 2009, 08:08
I actually enjoyed that.

 :|
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 28 Jan 2009, 15:46
That woodland guitar is all kinds of awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 28 Jan 2009, 15:49
GUYS!!

GUYS!

New pickguard for Faded Black Flying V:

- Black

- Rusted Metal

- Anodized Brass

WHAT should I go for?!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Jan 2009, 17:06
3 ply black.

Tomorrow, I'm thinking I'll take my Jag with me outside in the 40 degree (fahrenheit) weather and play for about an hour, then bring it inside into the bathroom next to the heater and watch the finish start to check.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 28 Jan 2009, 17:09
o hay guise look what i found

(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2099/197/104/807900108/n807900108_5546624_4645.jpg)

Hey, vintage white offset buddies!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/kalnaar_khan/200038.jpg)

Note the ironic use of hand signs and the blasphemous Buzzstop.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 28 Jan 2009, 17:40
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3766/dsc0216rf2.th.jpg) (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0216rf2.jpg)


I recommend the Blues Junior, for ANYONE.

Seriously, the cleans are so freaking gorgeous, they rival (but not quite) with my Silverface Pro.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Jan 2009, 20:17
Yeah, that whole line of Hot Rod amps is great.  I lust for a Blues Deville.  But all I really have to do is change the speakers in my Hot Rod Deville and I've got a Blues.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 28 Jan 2009, 20:20
I have a Hot Rod Deluxe, and as much as I like it, I plan on changing the speakers and tubes as soon as I have the cash.

I feel like there are a lot of improvements that could be made.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 29 Jan 2009, 03:39
Thats a Blues Junior, and I pretty much like the speaker that comes with it.

Might retube it with JJ/EHx, instead of the Groove Tubes.

Gotta play a couple gigs with it and see how it feels.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 29 Jan 2009, 04:24
GUYS!!

GUYS!

New pickguard for Faded Black Flying V:

- Black

- Rusted Metal

- Anodized Brass

WHAT should I go for?!

Brass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 29 Jan 2009, 05:04
the blasphemous Buzzstop.
[/quote

? I've honestly heard nothing but praise for those things.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 29 Jan 2009, 09:28
A guy on the OSG forum is selling a modded Squier Duo-Sonic, and I put a hold on it. Refinished the neck, new decal (old-school Fender style), totally replaced the stock electronics, pickups, and tuners.

(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9667/95295851tw9.jpg)

I loved it (aside from the neck finish) when I tried one out a few weeks ago, and the neck refin definitely sold me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Jan 2009, 09:59
Are you forgetting to thank somebody for telling you to put a hold on it

Because I think you are forgetting to thank somebody for telling you to put a hold on it

That's really impolite, Shane

Re: Fender amps, I am getting a Blues Deluxe sometime next year. I played my friend's dad's (the one with the Gibson CS-356) and I have never heard something so perfect in my life.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 29 Jan 2009, 10:15
(I am. Sorry for pushing me over the edge, man! This thing is gonna rock.)

I think the Blues Deluxe was the second best amp I played in Boston (behind that blackface Deluxe Reverb). USSR Big Muff sounded rad through it, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 29 Jan 2009, 15:03
That duo sonic is beautiful! Congrats!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 29 Jan 2009, 16:44
the blasphemous Buzzstop.

? I've honestly heard nothing but praise for those things.


On the Offset Guitar forums, some guys (mostly purists) absolutely hate them; they say it makes Jazzmasters/Jaguars feel and play like any other guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Jan 2009, 17:00
Only a few of those guys are purists?

Man both you AND Shane need to lurk moar. I posted a thread about me wanting to do things to abuse my Jag's finish, and I swear only two replies in there were helpful or informative. The rest were "But WHY?!"

(man I am going to refinish that fucker in coral anyway, see below)

(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/922/jagyellowedcoralcg6.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cicero on 29 Jan 2009, 21:55
Better pre-order these bad boys now!

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Blackstar-HT-Series-HT5H-5W-Tube-Guitar-Amp-Head?sku=483560
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 30 Jan 2009, 00:46
But Patrick Olympic White is quite obviously the best colour.

and hey I swear I remember you posting something aaages ago about how you hated Sonic Youth because they abused their "perfectly good" guitars. Are you forgetful or just a hypocrite?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Jan 2009, 01:06
There is a difference between overturning compressed air to crack the finish of your guitar and smashing it on shit just because it "sounds cool".
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 30 Jan 2009, 01:16
Yeah the second thing is cool and useful.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Jan 2009, 01:26
And way more destructive and irreversible. If shit goes wrong I can just refinish, because, well, I was planning on doing it anyway. Fucking with my finish so that it cracks isn't going to cause permanent abrasion damage to the wood of the body or neck.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Radical AC on 30 Jan 2009, 14:51
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1747/img0627kq5wi6.jpg)

I play a Rickenbacker Liverpool through a Fender Hot Rod DeVille 410 for my main setup.  Sure there are other guitars, amps, pedals, blah blah blah but the Rick is my baby.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 30 Jan 2009, 22:30
Why do all Ricks have baseball bat necks?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cicero on 30 Jan 2009, 22:31
They don't.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 31 Jan 2009, 04:03
And way more destructive and irreversible. If shit goes wrong I can just refinish, because, well, I was planning on doing it anyway. Fucking with my finish so that it cracks isn't going to cause permanent abrasion damage to the wood of the body or neck.
No guitar is permanent in any real sense
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 31 Jan 2009, 04:05
They will easily last your lifetime, however.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 31 Jan 2009, 04:11
They will easily last your lifetime, however.
Actually, most acoustic guitars won't
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 31 Jan 2009, 06:52
They don't.

Yeah, I thought that was PRS.

(see also: Epiphone Slash goldtop Les Paul)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 31 Jan 2009, 09:48
any real sense

Maaaan bro, when you think about it, nothing's really real, man, it could just be like, a fuckin' illusion or hologram or Escher painting or some shit. Hey you wanna rip the shiiiit out of this bong, bro?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 31 Jan 2009, 13:39
any real sense

Maaaan bro, when you think about it, nothing's really real, man, it could just be like, a fuckin' illusion or hologram or Escher painting or some shit. Hey you wanna rip the shiiiit out of this bong, bro?
Forgive me for not speaking down to your level.  A guitar is kept under a good deal of pressure.  Acoustics need to be very well taken care of to last any significant time period.  Solidbody electrics will often last longer, but there are still all manner of conceivable problems.  A good guitar will last longer than a good car, but it's foolish to simply count on one as being permanent in one's lifetime just so.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: boneykingofnowhere on 31 Jan 2009, 15:01
Olympic White is quite obviously the best colour.

Try Sunburst.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 31 Jan 2009, 15:52
stuff

Sorry, I thought you'd get my joke. I guess I will have to explain it in excruciating, unnecessary detail.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 31 Jan 2009, 18:31
See, the problem with your joke is that it seemed like it was suggesting that his argument was invalid because of his word choice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 31 Jan 2009, 18:53
So I'm not allowed to try to be funny the way I feel like?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: emmalee on 31 Jan 2009, 18:58
Nodaisho - I think that was the point of the joke.

Hey, question. I was thinking of learning to play acoustic, just for my own enjoyment. I'm pretty busy (and poor!) so lessons are out. If I pick up a few decent books (do they do method books for guitar, or is my classical training showing?) and chord charts, how easy/practical would it be for me to teach myself?

I do have a few friends I can ask for irl help if I need, so I won't be learning straight from a book, but I'll probably be doing most of the work myself.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 31 Jan 2009, 19:10
You can try to be funny however you feel like, but it seemed more assholish to me than funny. And not funny asshole, just asshole.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Jan 2009, 19:31
How about all of you shut the fuck up? Now there's an idea.

Less wanking more guitaring!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 31 Jan 2009, 19:37
Why not combine both? (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Hx6IQ2JTM)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Jan 2009, 20:07
Poor quality music is poor.

I appreciate some of Metallica's riffs but Kirk Hammett's soloing is boring and ridiculous.
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Post by: Patrick on 31 Jan 2009, 20:16
(dude Gene when I look at your avatar all I can think is "Man, that kindof looks like porn viewed while on acid")
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Jan 2009, 20:30
www.dancefloordale.com

Completely NSFW.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 31 Jan 2009, 22:25
Are we really allowed to have two members with avatars from the same music video?

And just so this isn't completely off-topic...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/kalnaar_khan/pink.jpg)

I made this in the OSG dressing room. I would play the fuck out of this if it was real.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Jan 2009, 22:41
Aw dude that's a big no on the inlays.

Finish is a very personal thing but personally I like neither the coral nor the pink. Keep the white Pat, even if you fuck with it.

My avatar's better.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 31 Jan 2009, 23:33
Poor quality music is poor.

I appreciate some of Metallica's riffs but Kirk Hammett's soloing is boring and ridiculous.

Yeah, I think about the only Hammet solo I sorta didn't hate was the one in Creeping Death, and mostly because I vaguely remember thinking that he did a decent job of seguing out of it for once, even if it was kinda boring in the middle. I could be wrong though, since it's been ages since I listened to it. I like solos and heavy riffing plenty, but the kind of freak out wanky solos you get in so many live performances do kind of bother me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 01 Feb 2009, 03:26
You're asking for smooth solo transitions from the genre of heavy metal, a genre essentially built on clunkiness and bravado.

I'm not a huge fan of Hammet, but criticising him for obvious segueing is like criticising G.G. Allin for being a complete dickhead. Sure, it might be true, but it's also the point.

(Ride The Lightning was his shining moment. He has plenty of boring solos, but Ride The Lightning was a stroke of genius)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2009, 06:31
Olympic White is quite obviously the best colour.

Try Sunburst.

Oly white is ages better than sunburst on say, a Jazzmaster. Unless it's sunburst with a gold pickguard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Feb 2009, 10:33
Dude Gene my other option is this:

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3249/shellpinkjagnc2.jpg)

I never want a matching headstock on mine, and I want to keep the tort guard.

Which reminds me, I want to start a black metal band called TORTGAARD and only play offsets with a tortoiseshell pickguard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 01 Feb 2009, 10:43
Try Sunburst.

MORE THAN ONE COLOUR HUGLHGKH
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 01 Feb 2009, 10:54
Guys, you are forgetting this:
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk85/adamantiumbrains/music/gear/elviscostellojazzmaster.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 01 Feb 2009, 11:26
Ooh. Actually if I got a jag that is probably what I would get.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: boneykingofnowhere on 01 Feb 2009, 11:41
Guys, you are forgetting this:
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk85/adamantiumbrains/music/gear/elviscostellojazzmaster.jpg)
DO WANT!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 01 Feb 2009, 12:08
Yeah, Elvis Costello Jazzmaster is probably the most sexy new guitar around.

Would buy one, if I ever bought new guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 01 Feb 2009, 12:17
More guitars should have a more natural/dyed wood-type finish.

Giving my Fender Lead II a natural finish is on my list of guitar fantasies, how would I go about doing it if I had teh moniez?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Feb 2009, 12:23
Guys, somebody on OSG posted Fender's 2009 price list.

Just go ahead and kill yourselves now. Don't give starvation the satisfaction.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: negative creep on 01 Feb 2009, 12:45
Which reminds me, I want to start a black metal band called TORTGAARD and only play offsets with a tortoiseshell pickguard.

I would play in this band.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 01 Feb 2009, 14:14
I would not recommend bringing that idea to fruition, but... Your call.

Anygays; I just swapped the DiMarzio X2N-7 in my Ibanez to a Dimarzio Evolution-7 I had lying around. Shit, it sounds so much better now!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: boneykingofnowhere on 01 Feb 2009, 14:41
Why was I never aware that this finish (http://cgi.ebay.com/1993-Fender-Telecaster-Plus-FIRESTORM-ORIGINAL-SWEET_W0QQitemZ220351084363QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item220351084363&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A3|39%3A1|240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.com/1993-Fender-Telecaster-Plus-FIRESTORM-ORIGINAL-SWEET_W0QQitemZ220351084363QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item220351084363&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A3|39%3A1|240%3A1318)) existed?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Feb 2009, 21:29
I would imagine that it is a custom job, because, well, that has never been a standard scheme for Fender ever, as far as I know.

Idunno, I'm pretty certain that was either heavily modded (with a damn good job of filling in the holes in the wood) or it's a long-dead special model of Tele. That bridge definitely isn't standard, nor is the bridge position humbucker, nor is the plate surrounding said humbucker.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 01 Feb 2009, 22:13
The finish is most likely custom. But the rest seems like a normal Telecaster Plus
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 02 Feb 2009, 01:02
Guys, what if I bought this?

(http://www.interstatemusic.com/wcsstore/InterstateMusic/ims/ipf/GTS2903002548.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Feb 2009, 05:10
Fuck a fuckin' Jackson.

(Patrick, realize that on MF and other such musical stores and sites, guitars sell for a good deal under MSRP, which is what the Fender price guide is.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Feb 2009, 06:03
Shane, either way, I do not have $1900 for shit. I totally overdrafted my account for a week when I bought my Jag for the OLD price.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Feb 2009, 06:22
Yeah, even the Squier Jagmaster's going to bounce from $250 to nearly $300. Goddamn.

BUY USED.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 Feb 2009, 06:37
fuckkk
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Feb 2009, 07:09
Seriously, I think after I buy this Duo-Sonic, any guitar I get from here on will be a project that I build. It's getting to the point where I can build a Fender clone for less than Fender's offering.


Ideas I may someday build:
Bolt-on LP Junior using a Warmoth body/neck (or a Melody Maker with a Novak pickup)
Mid-60s Fender Custom Esquire (but I already talked about that one.)
Jazzmaster, sans the rhythm circuit
Tele Deluxe, using the pickguard from a '70s Thinline (http://www.wdmusic.com/fender_tele_thinline_pickguard_te_2503.html) and concentric pots instead of the massive-assed Deluxe guard and the typical 2 vol/2 tone setup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Sir Tacopuss on 02 Feb 2009, 14:21
Guys, i finally bought a Squier Tele Custom II. The P-90s should make for a really nice bluesy sound.

And I'm stalking two different Marlboro Amps on EBay. The first is a 1500B head like this:

(http://static1.mundoanuncio.com/img/2008/10/8/11656796751.jpg)

and the other one's a G-50R 212 Combo.

I'm quite excited since this is the first real, non-junk guitar i own.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 03 Feb 2009, 01:26
I've been thinking of trading in my used Squier Strat (red) for an Epiphone SG, red wood finish. I like my strat, though, and I'd maybe wait to get a real Gibson SG, except there's other stuff (http://www.megatar.com) I want. I'll be looking into it, I guess. Aren't SG's supposed to be top heavy?
In the end, maybe I'd better just keep the strat. As my first guitar, It has definite nostalgic value, though I've been playing less than a year.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 03 Feb 2009, 04:21
WARNING EPIC TALL POST

o hay guise look what i found

(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2099/197/104/807900108/n807900108_5546624_4645.jpg)

Hey, vintage white offset buddies!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/kalnaar_khan/200038.jpg)

Note the ironic use of hand signs and the blasphemous Buzzstop.

BROZ
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r309/FireAarro/Offset/jagaaron.jpg?t=1233663654)
This must've been like two years ago now.

(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r309/FireAarro/friends/IMG_4150-1.jpg?t=1233663588)
Here's my friend playing it, a bit more recent. Check the tort!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Feb 2009, 04:54
Aren't SG's supposed to be top heavy?

Typically, but you can somewhat compensate by moving the strap peg to the heel. I did that with my Firebird (which sadly, I'm thinking about selling) and it's pretty much solved the neck diving problems.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 03 Feb 2009, 07:48
So, I have a wine red mexi tele that I absolutely love.  I'm having a bone nut put on it, and a full set up.  I've been thinking, however, about adding a bigsby.  I know how to do it, but I'm wondering if it's worth it to do it.  I'm  definitely putting a bigsby onto a Dot that I have, and I'm not sure if I'd regret not having a simple hardtail guitar.  Anyone else make this switch?  Any regrets? 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 03 Feb 2009, 07:51
Aren't SG's supposed to be top heavy?

Typically, but you can somewhat compensate by moving the strap peg to the heel. I did that with my Firebird (which sadly, I'm thinking about selling) and it's pretty much solved the neck diving problems.
With my Firebird I just got got a really wide bass-style strap and the neck diving isn't really so much of a problem anymore.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Feb 2009, 08:11
The only thing I don't like about the Bigsbys I've played is that little notch on the tremolo arm that stops it from swinging around 360 degrees.  It bugs the shit out of me because it makes it incredibly difficult to play anything like Built to Spill or Modest Mouse-ish.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Feb 2009, 09:48
You can file that shit down.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Feb 2009, 10:20
I thought about that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Feb 2009, 10:22
You could also dig up Paul Bigsby's grave and have a word with him about it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 03 Feb 2009, 10:41
So, I have a wine red mexi tele that I absolutely love.  I'm having a bone nut put on it, and a full set up.  I've been thinking, however, about adding a bigsby.  I know how to do it, but I'm wondering if it's worth it to do it.  I'm  definitely putting a bigsby onto a Dot that I have, and I'm not sure if I'd regret not having a simple hardtail guitar.  Anyone else make this switch?  Any regrets? 
You need to shim the neck a bit. Check out: http://www.telemodders.com/useful_links.html
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: SrMeowMeow on 03 Feb 2009, 10:59
Well, I just finished reading all 77 pages over the course of three days, and signed up specifically for this thread. I have to say, I know absolutely nothing about guitar tech and I've been playing for...oh, eight years, give or take. I'll post a picture of my guitar when I find a camera, but it's a Japanese strat, solid black, that I got off eBay for $400 bucks. It was my first electric and my only electric. It's partly made of magic, has an extremely heavy body, loose wiring in the pickup selector, pickups that buzz and hum to the point where I can't play any pickups except the in-between ones, and a poorly intonated high E string which I can't fix. But the action is low and sweet, and I like it much more than most guitars I've played. The only thing I've ever done to it besides changing strings was last night when I fixed some buzzing with bends by raising the bridge a bit. I'd love to just get it worked over by an expert, but I have no money.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Feb 2009, 11:16
Man, having learned how to do set-ups and wire pick-ups from a bunch of burned out twenty-somethings who took me on as an intern (see: bitch) at a local guitar shop and couldn't care less really, I can attest to the fact that it's pretty darn simple.

Look up some solid internet instructions and have at it, preferably on something you don't mind messing up (intonation and action wise. it'd take some serious skill to destroy a guitar just by practicing on it)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 03 Feb 2009, 12:18
So, I have a wine red mexi tele that I absolutely love.  I'm having a bone nut put on it, and a full set up.  I've been thinking, however, about adding a bigsby.  I know how to do it, but I'm wondering if it's worth it to do it.  I'm  definitely putting a bigsby onto a Dot that I have, and I'm not sure if I'd regret not having a simple hardtail guitar.  Anyone else make this switch?  Any regrets? 
You need to shim the neck a bit. Check out: http://www.telemodders.com/useful_links.html

That's the B16, which is a result of the strange pickup ring.  The B5 and B50 were designed to be a flat installation to accomdate the new bridge.  You'd think they'd figure taht out earlier but...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 03 Feb 2009, 13:16
Mmmmm, how I wish you were real...and in my house... (http://bearerotso.deviantart.com/art/My-quot-Other-quot-Dream-Guitar-111703082)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Feb 2009, 13:19
One out of two ain't bad..

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/9/6/272096.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Feb 2009, 13:32
See, I dont' know how long it would take to file that shit down, but it looks like fucking forever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 03 Feb 2009, 13:35
...I need to go to the bathroom
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 03 Feb 2009, 13:36
So I'm not allowed to try to be funny the way I feel like?
Just be funny when you want to be funny.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Headwoünd on 03 Feb 2009, 13:44
May someone explain to me what the appeal of a Bigsby tremolo is without burning me on a stake?
Besides aesthetics (which in this case aren't for me) and nostalgia I really can't think of a reason to put this kind of a tremolo system on a solid body guitar.

So am I missing something about them or is it really mainly just for the looks?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 03 Feb 2009, 13:53
More guitars should have a more natural/dyed wood-type finish.

Giving my Fender Lead II a natural finish is on my list of guitar fantasies, how would I go about doing it if I had teh moniez?
First, the Costello JM isn't a natural finish, it's a walnut stain on alder to color it darker.  Second of all, you could probably do natural for about thirty bucks.  It depends on what finish you want on it afterwards how much trouble it'll be.  I finished my mahogany tele with wipe-on poly, which is an easy finish to apply and leaves a lovely matte or semi-gloss, depending on the wood and how many coats you use.  It nonetheless is a very thin finish and the guitar's wood will definitely get scratched.  You could also use a spray-on lacquer, but this would be more trouble.  This would give you a thick glossy sheen over the wood, and the lacquer would be able to take minor scratches but leave the guitar intact.  However, a lot of people think that the lacquer will oh, so slightly dampen sustain.  


@ Headwouend:  Bigsby units are great tremolos when you don't need to divebomb.  They're a million times easier to install after market than practically any other, since you only need to drill a couple of holes instead of routing the body.  Also, the Bigsby will always have a fair bit of pitch give both above and below the neutral position, so this makes nice vibrato effects easier for most people.  It's a really fine tremolo system, and if you only want light trem use, I'd say it's the best except for the fact that stringing it is a nightmare.  You have to thread the string ends on, not through, six small posts.  The best way I've figured out to do this is to get a ball point pen, stick the ball-end under the part of the cap that you'd clip on your pocket, and wrap the string around the pen to give it some curve before threading it on that tiny post and wrapping it around the back of the tailpiece.  They're so good at popping off, too. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Headwoünd on 03 Feb 2009, 14:00
I thank you, kind Sir. :>
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 03 Feb 2009, 14:14
I thank you, kind Sir. :>
Not a problem.  Just don't do like I do and realize that the right-handed guitar you borrowed to teach lessons to right-handed students (an unnecessary step anyway) needs new strings.  OMG changing strings on a Bigsby for the first time in such a hurry, worst ever!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 03 Feb 2009, 16:50
IMO the Jazzmaster and Jaguar vibrato is the best for light use. So smooth! And much easier to string.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2009, 00:40
Man, I divebomb the living shit out of mine. The biggest problem is that the arm is so long, and so as a result, when you shove the handle all the way into the pickguard, you really don't do a whole lot. Maybe a full step on the high E, and 7 steps on the low E. On a Strat, you'd have all 6 strings sucked into the pickups before you even got within 3 inches of the guard.

Another thing that kindof irks me is that when I bring it above and below the center to do a good, even tremolo, the damn thing likes to go "CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK" and the shock of that whole thing travels all the way through the strings, just like when you play behind the bridge. It's great for when I want to make noises (which is often enough to where I haven't bothered fixing it), but if I want a noiseless tremolo it kindof pisses me off.

However, a lot of people think that the lacquer will oh, so slightly dampen sustain.

Eh, if it does, to me that probably just means that it will tone down the brightness just a hair. Which is nice, because Teles and pretty much all other Fenders are already bright as fuck.

When I refinish my Jag in nitro lacquer, I'll be able to give you guys a comparison between that and the original poly finish.

(also, what the fuck, I was noticing some buckle rash on her the other day, and that shit is at least 1mm thick. That is NEVER going to wear through naturally. I am now absolutely hell-bent on refinishing her in nitro)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Feb 2009, 04:53
Yeah, poly finishes are generally pretty thick shit. I'm telling you, go super-light on the nitro and you'll get some amazing natural wear on it.

re:Duo-Sonic

I just sent the deposit to the guy on OSG. She is officially mine (well, once I pay off the other $225)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Headwoünd on 04 Feb 2009, 13:07
I don't even wanna know how thick my finish is. Sure like the look of it though.

Got at least one halfway acceptable picture out of my cellphone camera (thanks to Photoshop).

(http://mitglied.lycos.de/sarknagel/geetard.png)

It's an Ibanez S07LTD, loik it. Good bang for the buck too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 04 Feb 2009, 19:40
Thanks to this handy site (http://www.usacustomguitars.com/virtualguitar.html), my dream has become a (virtual) reality!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/telecaster_dream.png)

sigh, I wish...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cernunnos on 04 Feb 2009, 19:56
huagl



you can read minds
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Feb 2009, 22:02
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa100/xholycrapitsmattx/dreamtele.jpg)

*Sigh.*

If only it were possible...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 04 Feb 2009, 22:19
So I decided not to ever sell my Squier Strat, cause the guy at Guitar Center said they'd only give me $50 for it. Guess I could try somewhere else, but I may as well keep it.
There's a little guitar shop in town (I live in one of those towns with no movie theater and a 'historical' street with literally at least a dozen art galleries in a half mile stretch). I'd love it to death, except the hours are extremely sporadic and the owner doesn't let you play with the stuff. Tried taking an amp there for repair (only needs a new place-where-you-stick-the-fuse, I think), but I gave up.
So I bought $25 strap locks for my $50 guitar, and I'm surprised how much this has improved the experience (of playing guitar). The cheap leather strap I've got was so hard to put on and take off that I always left it on, so it'd always be getting in the way while I was sitting down to play. And because the strap was always the most noticable tactile part of the guitar, the whole instrument has taken on a new beauty. Weird, huh? I guess it goes to show it's the little things that count.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Feb 2009, 04:56
*Sigh.*

If only it were possible...

I can't imagine messing with the controls would be all that fun, with the knobs that close together.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 Feb 2009, 08:04
It was the only way I could get them to fit on there and look nice.  I had originally wanted to do the Tele Deluxe knob layout, but it wouldn't fit with the second f-hole.  When it comes down to it, all this guitar really is is a full  hollowbody Tele Deluxe with a Bigsby and a killswitch.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Radical AC on 05 Feb 2009, 10:20
So I just bought an '07 Danelectro Dano Pro in tangerine.  It is brand new, and I know this because I remember when the music store got it in.  It was marked down to $200 so I figured why the hell not, I love the hell out of 'em and I'm not too sure about this years model.

My friend who was a bass player also bought a Danelectro '91 DC bass the same day, from a different store - independently of me.  We hadn't even mentioned it to each other before the fact.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Feb 2009, 10:30
The squareish ones?

I still want to get a black one. They sounded ace for such a cheap guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Radical AC on 05 Feb 2009, 12:21
Yeah, I would describe the shape as, "bowtie."  Which makes the black color comically classy.  My Rick is already black so I went with a more festive color conducive to twee pop.  :lol:  Sounds great through my Hot Rod DeVille, and is a fun practice guitar on my other amp.  For $200 I can't complain.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 05 Feb 2009, 17:53
I have the Dano Pro reissue as well, and it's great. Mine's sea foam green.

But I can't stop thinking about the Dano '67 reissue they just put out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: negative creep on 05 Feb 2009, 18:52
Guys, i finally bought a Squier Tele Custom II. The P-90s should make for a really nice bluesy sound.



Altaaaaa. DRONE DOOM.

Und kauf das scheiss topteil, combo ist zu leise!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Feb 2009, 20:05
my Hot Rod DeVille

You should donate this to my cause.

Und kauf das scheiss topteil, combo ist zu leise!

Fuck, listen to this man. Exception: Fender amps
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 05 Feb 2009, 21:03
I just found out an institute of religion teacher I have has a '61 hard tail strat he bought in '61. He says he might bring it in some time.
I just lowered the action on my Squier strat, and man it makes a difference. I've still gotta check if it messed up the intonation. Would it make sense to intone at the 2nd and 14th fret instead of at open and the 12th?
And I bought a capo. No one cares.
My teacher says he doesn't think much of Gibsons, that Fenders are more versatile. He used the phrase 'boat anchor,' but did say they were good for the styles it was designed for.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 06 Feb 2009, 03:54
I just found out an institute of religion teacher I have has a '61 hard tail strat he bought in '61. He says he might bring it in some time.
I just lowered the action on my Squier strat, and man it makes a difference. I've still gotta check if it messed up the intonation. Would it make sense to intone at the 2nd and 14th fret instead of at open and the 12th?
No, it wouldn't.  You only check intonation with harmonics and the fretted note.  You shouldn't use a capo on the second fret because you'll likely be a bit sharper than you will playing by hand, and this could throw you a bit off.  Also, unless it sounds really bad, don't worry about checking your intonation right now.  Wait until you change strings. 
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And I bought a capo. No one cares.
Why should they?  You have to be singing something in a key that better suits your voice, or someone else needs to be singing and you accompanying them, so go start a band!  Then someone'll care!
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My teacher says he doesn't think much of Gibsons, that Fenders are more versatile. He used the phrase 'boat anchor,' but did say they were good for the styles it was designed for.
I think that Gibson are  a paternalistic bunch of bigots who think left-handed persons are not well-suited to play the electric guitar.  They can go hang.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 06 Feb 2009, 04:08
A left handed person should be just as good or better at playing a right handed guitar as right handers are. Sack up.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 06 Feb 2009, 04:35
A left handed person should be just as good or better at playing a right handed guitar as right handers are. Sack up.
No.  I am right-handed in most things, as was one Johnny Allen Hendrix, however at a young age I broke my left arm about two and a half inches above the wrist.  Now my left wrist won't turn enough to fret effectively; picking is problematic, too, but only slightly.  I started playing right-handed, and I had learned to play guitar reasonably well, but after five years and the end of puberty (that last little growth spurt was the tipping point on fretting with my left hand), I decided it was time to switch.  It was a very difficult process, learning to play all over again, but I stuck with it and am now much more proficient at most things playing left-handed than I am at playing right-handed.  I do still play right-handed from time to time, but after about fifteen minutes I have to put the guitar down.  I find my playing much more interesting when playing left-handed, anyway
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Post by: doombilly on 06 Feb 2009, 06:19
My wife and I are both lefties that play right-handed. I started on the 5 string banjo. I've never seen a lefty one of those. When she took up the bass I told her to just learn right-handed as she'd have a hell of a lot more options as far as instruments go. Plus I like having my dominant hand on the fretboard. After a lifetime of using right-handed scissors, power tools etc... it seems like really no big deal. If that is the sort of thing that hangs you up, you should probably take up piano. I have recently met 3-4 right handed folks that play left handed, though. One was a trumpet player that it made sense to just flip the guit over and play lefty. Another taught himself to play as a toddler on a toy guitar and when he took lessons they tried to make him play righty. But he'd already taught himself to play left handed. Visually I always like the image of the guitar/bass being opposed in their handedness. You know one guitar pointing one way, another pointing the other.
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Post by: pwhodges on 06 Feb 2009, 06:31
Just for amusement, left-handed piano (http://www.lefthandedpiano.co.uk/about.html). And opposition (http://www.geocities.com/seanmhall2003/leftpianos.html).
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Post by: FireAarro on 06 Feb 2009, 07:00
Man, I divebomb the living shit out of mine. The biggest problem is that the arm is so long, and so as a result, when you shove the handle all the way into the pickguard, you really don't do a whole lot. Maybe a full step on the high E, and 7 steps on the low E. On a Strat, you'd have all 6 strings sucked into the pickups before you even got within 3 inches of the guard.

Another thing that kindof irks me is that when I bring it above and below the center to do a good, even tremolo, the damn thing likes to go "CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK" and the shock of that whole thing travels all the way through the strings, just like when you play behind the bridge. It's great for when I want to make noises (which is often enough to where I haven't bothered fixing it), but if I want a noiseless tremolo it kindof pisses me off.

What Jag did you endup getting again? Also, do you have any idea where the clicking is coming from?
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Post by: doombilly on 06 Feb 2009, 07:15
Just for amusement, left-handed piano (http://www.lefthandedpiano.co.uk/about.html). And opposition (http://www.geocities.com/seanmhall2003/leftpianos.html).
Hahaha. I tell you makes me insane. Visiting someone's pc to help them with a problem and they have the mouse buttons reversed. I swear it almost causes me to have a seizure.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 06 Feb 2009, 08:38
Also, left handed pencils exist:  Left Handed Pencils (http://www.pencilpages.com/misc/trivia.htm)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Feb 2009, 09:06
Just for amusement, left-handed piano (http://www.lefthandedpiano.co.uk/about.html). And opposition (http://www.geocities.com/seanmhall2003/leftpianos.html).
Hahaha. I tell you makes me insane. Visiting someone's pc to help them with a problem and they have the mouse buttons reversed. I swear it almost causes me to have a seizure.

When I was still working for Severn Trent Searches, we had two kinds of PCs - the in-house ones and the ones we essentially rented permanently from another company. One morning we came in and found ALL of the off-site computers had had their mouse buttons reversed. It was completely ricockulous, and we only realised it after about half an hour.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 06 Feb 2009, 15:57
Hey, is anyone here familiar with Agile guitars?  Specifically the Agile Valkyrie III?  It's a Gibson clone company that's supposed to be damned good for the price.  the Valkyrie III is an SG knock off with a bit of a twist.  If anything, it looks like non-reversed Firebird and an SG had a baby.

(http://b5.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00595/57/13/595693175_m.jpg)

My friend is [hopefully] going to get one for something like $350, and I am (despite my already fine ass guitars) initially pretty jealous.

Has anyone had any experience with these things?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 06 Feb 2009, 21:06
My wife and I are both lefties that play right-handed. I started on the 5 string banjo. I've never seen a lefty one of those. When she took up the bass I told her to just learn right-handed as she'd have a hell of a lot more options as far as instruments go. Plus I like having my dominant hand on the fretboard. After a lifetime of using right-handed scissors, power tools etc... it seems like really no big deal. If that is the sort of thing that hangs you up, you should probably take up piano. I have recently met 3-4 right handed folks that play left handed, though. One was a trumpet player that it made sense to just flip the guit over and play lefty. Another taught himself to play as a toddler on a toy guitar and when he took lessons they tried to make him play righty. But he'd already taught himself to play left handed. Visually I always like the image of the guitar/bass being opposed in their handedness. You know one guitar pointing one way, another pointing the other.
I'm not entirely sure you actually read my post.  In most things, I'm right-handed.  I know how to play guitar right-handed.  I started playing right-handed.  I switched because I broke my left arm as a child and can't turn that wrist enough to fret effectively, and this became worse as I was leaving my teens.  I didn't want to switch to playing left-handed, but it was basically that or give up any hope of playing guitar for more than ten minutes at a time.  I play left-handed because it's pretty much my only option, though I did have a great opportunity to learn how I wanted, since I already knew how to play I was able to teach my hands to play certain styles better, and to give up a lot of my huge reliance on pentatonic scales that I have playing right-handed. 
As far as playing piano, well.  I don't really care for the piano, it's to me about the most boring instrument to play.  But I do play my synths a whole lot, and I have trouble with my left hand there too, since my wrist is so problematic.  Nothing major, but I can't really cross my left hand over my right for anything.  Also, if you don't know about a left-handed banjo, go make one!  :)

Just for amusement, left-handed piano (http://www.lefthandedpiano.co.uk/about.html). And opposition (http://www.geocities.com/seanmhall2003/leftpianos.html).
The opposition is pretty meaningless.  "Oh no, a lot of people do it like this, so should you!"  Isn't that why they used to kill left-handed babies?  Onto the intriguing thing, the left-handed piano is actually a very powerful idea.  I've read some thing's about how most instruments are set up as they are because most people favor their right ear, and can follow melody better.  This is why the lute, guitar, &c.  are played as they are with the left hand doing the harder work.  The really interesting thing about this backwards piano is how it will not only fit the pianist's hands but probably his head as well. 

Also, on the Rondo Guitars, I've never played an Agile but I do have an SX I got for alternate tunings and I have to say, I didn't know you could get so much guitar for $150 unless someone's got a monkey on their back!  I definitely recommend checking them out; they're very well-made instruments from all I've seen and heard. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 06 Feb 2009, 21:55
Re: Agiles

Apparently, you get a hella good guitar for the price, but I have almost consistently heard you need to get it professionally set up before you can play it.  They occasionally need a bit of work or have some blemishes in the finish or something, but they sound nice and are cheap, so modifications aren't all that big a deal.

Bear in mind, though, this is only what I've heard from people on the BYOC forums/Harmony Central.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 06 Feb 2009, 23:30
Isn't that why they used to kill left-handed babies?

How the hell do you tell what a baby's dominant hand is
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Feb 2009, 00:13
Re: Agiles

Apparently, you get a hella good guitar for the price, but I have almost consistently heard you need to get it professionally set up before you can play it. 
Unless you're putting on heavier strings, you should be able to set it up yourself.  It's quite an easy process if you're not filing the nut. 

And it's pretty easy to tell when your baby's using the devil's hand!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Feb 2009, 06:21
Also, on the Rondo Guitars, I've never played an Agile but I do have an SX I got for alternate tunings and I have to say, I didn't know you could get so much guitar for $150 unless someone's got a monkey on their back!  I definitely recommend checking them out; they're very well-made instruments from all I've seen and heard. 

I've kinda been wanting one of the SX thinline Tele clones. HRMM. But I already have two guitars, and a third on the way.

Then again, one can NEVER have too many Telecasters.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 07 Feb 2009, 19:32
Bought an American Big Muff Pi today AWWWW YEEEAAAH

I would say more, but I am too busy playing Dinosaur Jr. songs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 08 Feb 2009, 00:35
Bought an American Big Muff Pi today AWWWW YEEEAAAH

I would say more, but I am too busy playing Dinosaur Jr. songs.
wicker tone?  ??!?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Feb 2009, 06:51
Bought an American Big Muff Pi today AWWWW YEEEAAAH

I would say more, but I am too busy playing Dinosaur Jr. songs.

o/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Feb 2009, 08:03
\o

No, it's not the new one with the tone wicker.  I imagine it wouldn't be hard to add a switch to do that, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Feb 2009, 08:05
I'm still debating between the Little Big Muff and the Dano French Toast. I think the Dano gets a little filthier, and it's got an octave up switch. But..on the other hand, it's a Big Muff we're talking about.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 08 Feb 2009, 09:40
Guys: http://www.rondomusic.com/product2391.html
A 7-String telecaster.  I don't know what to think anymore
(http://www.rondomusic.net/photos/electric/t7nat5.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Feb 2009, 09:47
Death metal infused with country?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 08 Feb 2009, 09:49
   @valley_parade AND Bearer

I know what to think,

AWESOME.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 08 Feb 2009, 11:52
Death metal infused with country?
You really need 8 or 10 strings for good country  ;)/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 08 Feb 2009, 11:53
   @valley_parade AND Bearer

I know what to think,

dear god why


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 08 Feb 2009, 12:18
I hope you realize i was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: the_pied_piper on 08 Feb 2009, 13:03
You really need 8 or 10 strings for good country  ;)/

Pfft, amateurs. 12-string or nothing!   :-P
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 08 Feb 2009, 17:47
I hope you realize i was being sarcastic.

Man, it is like, so difficult to sense that stuff over the internet dude.

like so difficult

you dont even know man
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 08 Feb 2009, 17:53
You really need 8 or 10 strings for good country  ;)/

Pfft, amateurs. 12-string or nothing!   :-P
Why not go for a triple neck? (http://www.herbsteiner.com/images/Stingmaster.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: nashvillewho on 08 Feb 2009, 17:59
For when you and 11 other guys just got get your rock on.

(http://www.bittermancircle.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/dozen.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Feb 2009, 18:51
Oh man, if that pickguard is one contiguous piece of plastic, it must have been a bastard to mold.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 08 Feb 2009, 18:57
THIS JUST IN: Rick Nielsen, guitarist for power-pop band Cheap Trick was recently hospitalized after walking into a radioactive vat of goo. Officials say that hospital workers have noticed strange, hand-like protrusions growing from both sides of his torso.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 08 Feb 2009, 23:19
First post, but this seemed like a good place to do it. I've got some pictures I'm gonna have to put up, once I get my camera.

On a side note, I see alot of people here favoring the vintage looking guitars so I thought I'd say there was a Kramer Elliot Easton up on ebay, right now. Very cool and rare.

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3237/ellioteastonkrameroo3.th.jpg) (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ellioteastonkrameroo3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 08 Feb 2009, 23:58
Oh man, speaking of Multineck guitars, the local Guitar center has a used Epiphone 1275 (the doubleneck SG) for $500. I'd have been more tempted to buy it when I started out playing a year ago (you can read of me drooling over doublenecks much earlier in this thread), but now I'm thinking more along the lines of a Fender Strat, as opposed to my Squier Strat. What do you guys think of the roadworn series? If I didn't get that, I'd probably get one of the new ones with the 'add bridge' switch. I like experimentation right now.
And when my teacher brings in that '62 strat he bought in '62, I'll see if I can't get a picture with it.
And, I imagine that the whammy on a real strat throws the guitar out of tune less than it does on a Squier, yes? Is it all in the nut?
I love this thread.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 09 Feb 2009, 00:31
And, I imagine that the whammy on a real strat throws the guitar out of tune less than it does on a Squier, yes? Is it all in the nut?
I love this thread.
This really depends on the individual guitar and how it is set up. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: the_pied_piper on 09 Feb 2009, 01:02
Why not go for a triple neck? (http://www.herbsteiner.com/images/Stingmaster.jpg)

That is the greatest contraption for making country, folk, bluegrass that i have ever seen.

Shame you'd need about 6 arms to play it well though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 09 Feb 2009, 03:39
Guys: http://www.rondomusic.com/product2391.html
A 7-String telecaster.  I don't know what to think anymore
(http://www.rondomusic.net/photos/electric/t7nat5.jpg)


Actually, twangy Baritone guitars have been around in Country since forever, more or less, so the practicality of a 7-string in this context more than justifies it.

EDIT: To be honest, I'm actually kinda shocked you guys didn't see that immediately.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Feb 2009, 05:05
And, I imagine that the whammy on a real strat throws the guitar out of tune less than it does on a Squier, yes? Is it all in the nut?
I love this thread.

Depends on the trem. I mean, you could take a Squier, pop a decent trem in it, and it'll handle better than an MIM Strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 09 Feb 2009, 06:02
@Objects

Just use the force, dude.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 09 Feb 2009, 06:50
I'm not entirely sure you actually read my post. 
Actually I was not advocating for either just making a general statement on handedness. Sorry to be such a bother.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 09 Feb 2009, 10:50
okay, now I'm totally worth joining the QC guitar club..


I GOT A FUCKING JAZZMASTER

It sounds... delicious, it's like... the best thing ever. And I don't know who set this gal up, but it's like... super stable. I can divebomb it, and no out of tunage. Also, 0.012 strings ROCK.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Feb 2009, 10:53
I hate you so much.

I can't decide if I want an Epiphone Dot or a Casino more.  A Casino would make more sense, but I'm not sure I like the trapeze-style tailpiece.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 09 Feb 2009, 10:57
pirate:

Meet the Sheraton.

(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p312/JERMDADDY/Epiphone%20Archtop/SheratonIIArchtopebony.jpg)

I've played one, and it sounds beautiful. There are only 3 Epiphone semi-hollows: Casino, Riviera and Sheraton. The Dot is not nearly as good. Not even close.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Feb 2009, 11:10
I've been looking at Sheratons, too.

But look:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Epiphone_Casino_VT.jpg)

ghalhglghlealhgl

I'm mostly just torn as to whether or not I want a guitar with P-90's or humbuckers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 09 Feb 2009, 11:59
I would love to own a Casino. Hot damn.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 09 Feb 2009, 15:27
Alright, got my camera, so here's a few of the guitars I've had the pleasure of owning.

"Kramer" strat. I actually made this from a bunch of Fender parts, but you can't find fender headstock decals, so I used a Kramer one. To be fair, Kramer did make strat copies with  strat headstocks, until Fender threatened to sue them in the early 80's.
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9809/296tl0.th.jpg) (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=296tl0.jpg)


Peavey Tracer II. Probably my favorite guitar right now, especially since it's not unusual to find them for around $100, and it's american made. The stock pickups are absolute trash though, but drop in you favorite set (this one's a dimarizio tone zone and air norton s) and the thing screams. Best neck i've ever played. thin profile, but ROUND not like most import ibanez's. Plus, the best thing is it's Gibson 24.75" scale, which means you can put the action at almost nothing, without it fretting out. The bridge worries me though, since Kahler doesn't make the model anymore, and parts are hard to find. Still, if you find one of these at a pawn shop BUY IT! As good as anything up to the $700 price range.
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1711/298jn7.th.jpg) (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=298jn7.jpg)


Here's my 7 string. The guy who owned it before my stripped the finish off and put a kahler on it. Fun guitar.
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5688/302do3.th.jpg) (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=302do3.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 09 Feb 2009, 17:54
That strat looks gorgeous. I love daphne blue (that's more of a greenish blue though, not sure on the colour) strats.

(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8431/dsc0057ob7.th.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0057ob7.jpg)
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/1817/dsc0034kr9.th.jpg) (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0034kr9.jpg)

0.012 gauge strings, this thing is as stable as a rock. Loving it. CIJ though, not Fancy Shmancy AVRI.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 09 Feb 2009, 18:04
Whatever.  I've played my friends CIJ Jazzmaster and it rocks so hard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 09 Feb 2009, 18:09
^^Thank you. I had a friend who called it "Hospital Green," which is actually a pretty accurate descriptor. Pretty easy to put together, and affordable, too. Given the prices of parts on ebay, you cna build a strat with all american electronics and new liscensed hard parts for around $400. It plays better than any Mexi Strat I've ever used too.

When I finish the re-finish on my other Tracer, I'll have to post it up here. Amazing what you can do with some $3 cans of Krylon lacquer and some painters tape.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 09 Feb 2009, 21:49
A fretless guitar?
(http://www.rondomusic.net/photos/electric/al3000flbk1.jpg) (http://www.rondomusic.com/product1052.html)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 09 Feb 2009, 22:04
^nice. Vai had a 3 neck Jem with a 6, 12 and 6 string fretless necks.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e78/Punk_Dude2005/SteveVai3neck.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Feb 2009, 04:59
I cancelled on the Duo-Sonic because the economy is fucking butthurting and I really CANNOT afford it right now.


Bleh. I guess my plan of attack now is to rebuild my Squier Bullet. Just needs tuners, pickups, and electronics.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 10 Feb 2009, 08:33
Might I suggest http://www.guitarfetish.com for pickups, tuners and electronics.  All their stuff is ridiculously cheap and good.  Definitely check out reviews of their pickups; they're top-notch and dirt cheap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Feb 2009, 08:39
Yeah, I was planning on getting everything I needed from Guitar Fetish. Actually, the guy with the Duo-Sonic replaced the stock pickups with GFS, and he's in love with the sound.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 10 Feb 2009, 10:06
I'd never looked at GFS's prices on their website directly. Not bad. You could also go the route of buying some pickups from an American strat off ebay. That's what I did for my strat, and it cost me about $15 per pickup. They're about the same price as GFS, but, it's all up to what you want for sound.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Feb 2009, 10:14
If I ever built a proper Strat, I'd probably buy Fender's Custom Shop '69 set (hand-wound by Abigail Ybarra).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 10 Feb 2009, 14:59
I got those on my American 40th Anniversary.

They sound REAL fat, so be wary of that. To proper sound decent, you really need a thick gauge of strings. Top notch definition and clarity, though.

They combine pretty well with rosewood fingerboards.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Feb 2009, 15:39
Guys I've decided that I'm getting an Elvis Costello Jazzmaster. It does not matter that it's $1600 and I am broke and don't have a job. This  is happening. WE ARE NOT ARGUING THIS!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 10 Feb 2009, 19:46
Be sure to post plenty of pictures when that happens.


argh, just knowing that someone else is getting one of those and I'm not irritates me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 10 Feb 2009, 20:36
Guys I've decided that I'm getting an Elvis Costello Jazzmaster. It does not matter that it's $1600 and I am broke and don't have a job. This  is happening. WE ARE NOT ARGUING THIS!

I can't decide what I would like more: a Costello Jazzmaster or a tricked out G & L ASAT Classic Bluesboy Semi-Hollow with a Bigsby on it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Feb 2009, 21:39
Be sure to post plenty of pictures when that happens.

argh, just knowing that someone else is getting one of those and I'm not irritates me.

It's starting to be creepy how we're so similar. First the avatar, now this?

(Note: I'm not actually getting it. It's not that I have the money and am spending it on this when I should be spending it on something else. I don't have even close to the money. I am just being belligerent in hopes that it will score me a $1600 guitar!)

I can't decide what I would like more

Nope, guess again.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: edwinalink on 10 Feb 2009, 22:07
okay, like the bible this thread was just way to long to read(right now), but i currently have a B.C. Rich N.J. Warlock.

and I'd post pictures, but i hate the thing.

you wanna know why? no?

well I'll tell you anyways,

I'm left handed, I hate tremolos, its only skill is generic chugging. it wont stayed tuned for more than a minute.... AND ITS FLEXY AS ALL GET OUT!!!

so now im looking at this or a lefty shecter C-1...

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Left-Handed-Les-Paul-Custom-Electric-Guitar-102145414-i1150076.gc

and a boss GT-10... as for amps, still in the air, i know it wont be crate... not doing that again!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Feb 2009, 22:38
Why did you buy a B.C. Rich Warlock?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: edwinalink on 10 Feb 2009, 22:42
i was young and stupid

it was pretty and cheap.

i guess thats how most bad relationships start!

also, I'm a bit of a metalhead, and it was just so METAL!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 10 Feb 2009, 23:34
Well, if you don't like the trem, you can always block it. And, assuming the screws haven't loosened in the neck joint, it can always be shimmed tight. It might not make it great, but it'd go a long ways towards making it playable.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Feb 2009, 04:54
Guys I've decided that I'm getting an Elvis Costello Jazzmaster. It does not matter that it's $1600 and I am broke and don't have a job. This  is happening. WE ARE NOT ARGUING THIS!

Gene, I'm pretty sure you could build a verrrrry similar guitar for under a grand. Or near a grand.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 11 Feb 2009, 07:26
okay, like the bible this thread was just way to long to read(right now), but i currently have a B.C. Rich N.J. Warlock.

and I'd post pictures, but i hate the thing.

you wanna know why? no?

well I'll tell you anyways,

I'm left handed, I hate tremolos, its only skill is generic chugging. it wont stayed tuned for more than a minute.... AND ITS FLEXY AS ALL GET OUT!!!

so now im looking at this or a lefty shecter C-1...

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Left-Handed-Les-Paul-Custom-Electric-Guitar-102145414-i1150076.gc

and a boss GT-10... as for amps, still in the air, i know it wont be crate... not doing that again!

Oooh ooh buy the C-1.  The LP's have the most wildly inconsistent quality of anything epiphone makes.  Schecter on the other hand is almost always a good deal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Feb 2009, 08:03
Agreed.  Schecter are consistently pretty solid guitars.  I nearly bought an S-1 Elite, once upon a time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 11 Feb 2009, 09:16
Guys I've decided that I'm getting an Elvis Costello Jazzmaster. It does not matter that it's $1600 and I am broke and don't have a job. This  is happening. WE ARE NOT ARGUING THIS!

Gene, I'm pretty sure you could build a verrrrry similar guitar for under a grand. Or near a grand.

Links? I finally checked out GFS but they pretty much only have Strat and Tele parts. And I'm looking at Warmoth right now but it's pretty confusing.

How hard would this be?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Feb 2009, 09:33
I'd go with dguitarparts.com for your body and other stuff. They sell jag/jazz/mustang bits.

Also, Musikraft if you want a neck with the Jazzmaster headstock.
https://www.musikraft.com/product-info.php?pid66.html
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: edwinalink on 11 Feb 2009, 11:17
thanks noff and imapiratergh! i think i will!

now if the neck on the c-1 feels a bit fender-y, that would also be awesome. as all the fenders/strats i ever messed with always felt great in the neck!

and the epi/gibson necks felt a bit to fat. not gigantic and rectangular like my warlock. but im a beginner, so the easier the better!

and zerobar,

thanks for the advice, but im pretty sure there's a crack in it. and i just cant stand anything about it!

but... for the future, how does one "block" a trem? that would really open up my guitar choices!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 11 Feb 2009, 12:17
All you do is find or make a piece of wood that'll fit tightly behind the block of the trem (the part the springs attach to) and the body of the guitar. That way, the trem can't move forward, and the tension of the strings prevents it from moving backward (if you have a floating trem). You essentially turn your trem equipped guitar into a hardtail.

I do this as an intermediate process when setting up floyds, so that when the guitar is in tune, the bridge is level. It helps to get the spring tension right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: edwinalink on 11 Feb 2009, 13:17
i have a floyd rose, so i may try that.

but the C-1 im looking at is 600, so i can buy it soon.

i really hope it doesnt suck!

???

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Schecter-C-1-Artist-Limited-Edition-Left-Handed-Electric-Guitar-516751-i1149086.gc
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: the_pied_piper on 11 Feb 2009, 13:35
So at the moment all i have is a fender squier acoustic which is nice but has a really fat neck which makes playing quite hard and a busted old mexican strat which i really don't like.

I want a new guitar but i'm unsure whether to get electric or acoustic. These are a couple of options i like the look of but the acoustic may be a little bit too expensive.

Maton EMC225

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/livbarrob/EM225Cnew.jpg)

Maton MS500

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/livbarrob/thumb_ms500.jpg)

By the way, buying either of these would help stimulate the australian economy for anyone who has read the rebate thread in I Like HURRRRR.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Feb 2009, 16:07
So I took a 4 hour long "class" on how to do setups on guitars. I got the frets dressed and a complete setup on my '78 Mustang. I've been so busy I've not even had a chance to play that guitar.

#Edit

And I waited until the luthier guy picked it up, because the little mofo weighs about 2x as most guitars I've played. He kept looking at the grain and siad it was probably either oak or ash. Either way, I have this thing around my neck and it's like I strapped a Buick to my torso.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 11 Feb 2009, 18:04
I'd seen an epiphone from the 80's at a pawn shop called a "Genesis." Single heaviest guitar I have ever picked up. Probably twice as much as a les paul. even weirder was it was about the size of a les paul. Kinda looked like a double cut les paul. Apparently they were very popular with punk bands in the 80's because they were cheap, punchy, and the neck joint was relatively weak, so you could smash 'em pretty easily.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Feb 2009, 20:48
So, I think I am very sloppy at playing the guitar.  I bet I have a bunch of very bad habits.  For instance: my pinky seems to naturally curl away from the fretboard, leaving only my first three fingers above it for the most part.

Grr.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 11 Feb 2009, 21:14
protip: this is the one time playing Guitar Hero/Rock Band will ever help you play actual guitar

Just use the blue and orange buttons a lot and your pinky strength and accuracy will improve greatly. It's how I learned to play four finger lead guitar instead of just three.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 11 Feb 2009, 23:38
Either that, or i just learned to use my pinky more by running major scales across the fretboard and forcing myself to use my pinky. After a while, it starts to feel normal.

^I have to say that, either because of doing scales the "proper way," or because of playing rock band/guitar hero at a high level, that my switches between "1 to 4" stretches and "1 to 5" stretches became much easier.

Honestly, the best way I found to get better at lead guitar was just to run scales in all different ways. Look up on www.ultimate-guitar.com the Steve Vai "10 hour guitar workout." It's got some great exercises to get your brain thinking the "lead guitarist" way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 12 Feb 2009, 04:52
I do this as an intermediate process when setting up floyds, so that when the guitar is in tune, the bridge is level. It helps to get the spring tension right.

See also: standard feature on Eric Clapton Strats.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Feb 2009, 08:25
Honestly, the best way I found to get better at lead guitar was just to run scales in all different ways. Look up on www.ultimate-guitar.com the Steve Vai "10 hour guitar workout." It's got some great exercises to get your brain thinking the "lead guitarist" way.

I'm trying to teach myself to do this stuff while also learning how to play and read at the same time.  I took a little theory, so I can read music, but it's translating it to the instrument that is difficult.  I'm taking classes in guitar, and my professor always stresses the importance of running scales as exercises and I always tell myself I need to do this, but instead I always opt for playing along with songs on my computer.  :\
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 Feb 2009, 08:35
Except fuck Steve Vai and FUCK guitar teachers who stress playing scales til your fingers fall off.

That is a godawful teaching method. The best thing is to inspire yourself to learn new things. Learn a few chords, then learn a song that you love that forces you to practice those chords. Learn a few scales (not how to shred them, just the notes they consist of) and then rock out to someone else's band til you feel comfortable playing a solo. And so on and so forth.

What you're doing is how people burn out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Feb 2009, 08:37
Oh trust me, I think I've sat down once so far and tried to read a piece (it was fairly successful, but it was a simple little bit).  The rest of the time, I am figuring out Beatles and Bob Marley songs by ear.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 12 Feb 2009, 09:53
Well, I'm not saying that you should be trying to "run scales until your fingers fall off," but I do find that doing exercises that have you play notes in a scale in a different way than ascending/descending, make it alot easier to play solos that don't just "run scales." It also gets you to find more interesting ways to play things when you want to write your own lead stuff. I agree entirely about just doing scales, it doesn't make you a good guitarist if all you can do is shred scales over and over. But knowing where the scale lies on the fretboard can also get you to find different inversions of chords, as well.

I guess I'm just a proponent of KNOWING your scales not FOCUSING on them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Feb 2009, 10:58
Well, yes.  What I meant by "My professors stresses the importance of scales," I just meant that he says a good regimen of about 20 minutes of exercises with scales and chords a day will improve your playing.

Also, guys.  I think I've figured out my ever-evolving Ideal Guitar.  I want the right combination of sustain, jangle, warmth and bite at an affordable price.  So basically, I'm thinking of buying a used Epiphone Sheraton and fitting it with some Guitar Fetish Retrotron pickups.  Good idea?  Bad idea?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 12 Feb 2009, 13:53
There are plenty of hollow body guitars out there, but I guess all that matters is that it has the features/looks/feel that you want. Have you played one before? If I'm spending that much money on a guitar, I make sure I've either played one, or a comparable one from the same company, to make sure I like it. If that's the case, then go for it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 12 Feb 2009, 15:06
This custom short scale bass neck from ebay:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/b5af_1-1.jpg)
+ Natural clear-coat finish solid mahogany telecaster body from Warmoth
+ Various electronics

= Awesome ass project bass, yes or no?

I plan on extending the neck rout into the normal neck pickup spot and moving the bridge all the way back as far as I can to maintain the 30" scale length.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 Feb 2009, 15:18
I dunno how much I'd dig the Tele shape as a bass but otherwise, fuck yeah building your own bass sounds awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 12 Feb 2009, 15:27
Yeah, it would basically look like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/rhomco/TeleThinlineBass002-2.jpg)
Just without the F-hole, and with the actuall tele pickguard and control knobs...also just a clear coat finish
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 Feb 2009, 15:50
Actually I like the idea of a Thinline bass more than just a regular Tele.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 12 Feb 2009, 17:32
You know, the more I think about it the more the idea of a thinline tele-bass is growing on me.  I think I may just do that rather than the solid.  Then again, the project is basically hinging on me winning that neck (which incidentally has a Piezo pickup routed into the base of the neck).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 12 Feb 2009, 18:47
Dude, a shortscale Thinline Tele-Bass would be awesome.  The only hollow-body Tele-bass I've ever seen is the G&L one, and it is a long scale so it looks pretty awkward.  I think a shortscale would be gorgeous though.  And I love the sound of semi-hollowbody basses (my friend has a Mosrite Celebrity bass and while it is ridiculously neck heavy it is a joy to play and has utterly beautiful tone).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 12 Feb 2009, 20:44
Alright, so my friend and I sat down and went over the logistics of the thing's wiring.  It has a Piezo pickup routed into the base of the neck, and with that, I'm gonna put one of these bad boys (http://store.guitarfetish.com/gfsjbprojaba.html) right where the tele's bridge pickup would have gone (halfway down the body).  It'll have a master volume and a master tone (500k), but I can't decide if I want a three-way switch or a blender pot to switch pickups.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: edwinalink on 12 Feb 2009, 22:07
how hard do you think it would be to get a lefty schecter 006 six thats at least as good as the 600 dollar C-1 i posted above?

all the ones I've seen have the same crappy pickups as my warlock,

and as for build quality I'm clueless

the 006 is just prettier!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 12 Feb 2009, 23:57
Alright, so my friend and I sat down and went over the logistics of the thing's wiring.  It has a Piezo pickup routed into the base of the neck, and with that, I'm gonna put one of these bad boys (http://store.guitarfetish.com/gfsjbprojaba.html) right where the tele's bridge pickup would have gone (halfway down the body).  It'll have a master volume and a master tone (500k), but I can't decide if I want a three-way switch or a blender pot to switch pickups.  Any suggestions?
obv you wire it for stereo, send the piezo to the board, and fuzz out the jazz p/u into a dirty old valve amp.  oh, and go for 1Mohm pots, you'll have a lot more punch that way, and you already got a tone knob to take care of that when you need to. 

alternatively, nix the tone knob and just run the magnetic p/u thru an envelope filter. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 13 Feb 2009, 00:02
Alright, so my friend and I sat down and went over the logistics of the thing's wiring.  It has a Piezo pickup routed into the base of the neck, and with that, I'm gonna put one of these bad boys (http://store.guitarfetish.com/gfsjbprojaba.html) right where the tele's bridge pickup would have gone (halfway down the body).  It'll have a master volume and a master tone (500k), but I can't decide if I want a three-way switch or a blender pot to switch pickups.  Any suggestions?

Why not both? Unless you want to have a tone for each pickup, you could always put three pots on it. One for volume, one for tone and one blending. Plus, you could always put a three way switch if you want a direct change between pickups. (sorry for any grammatical mistakes, it's my birthday, and needless to say, I've drank my fair share)

The good thing about having a guitar with a pick guard is that, if you want to change control schemes, the worst thing that can happen is that you have to buy a new pick guard.

Although, I don't play bass, so don't rake me over the coals if I wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 13 Feb 2009, 15:56
So, peoples, old beat up gear (acquired for free) is supposed to be awesome, right? I have this old amp from a defunct company called ASI, called the q tube 70. I've never used it, because it's missing the fuse-socket-cap-thingy. And the fuse, but that should be easy, I hope. So, I don't even know what to Google or look for on Ebay, cause I can't well type in "fuse-socket-cap-thingy." What do I need? And what fuse, exactly, should I look for? The guy at radio shack couldn't seem to find exactly what I needed.
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_nVZ9ruO4lcA/SZYAuWf8BII/AAAAAAAAAHo/sd7dxpSZFTg/s400/Fuse%20Socket.JPG) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Z1DtqlhyWT0gZcBZ8MuoDQ?feat=embedwebsite)
I've read a couple online user reviews for it. They talk of its ability to liquify herds of live cattle, burn paint off walls, and shatter heavy glass from a distance. And it's apparently got black-light-visible paint on the front. Can you ask for more?
Here's the front (higher resolution here, front and back, so you can see what it's got (http://picasaweb.google.com/atimholt/UntitledAlbum02?feat=directlink)). And if that were a real tube overdrive, would there be a 'standby' switch, or no?

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_nVZ9ruO4lcA/SZYAuqzdg9I/AAAAAAAAAHw/T4kcg4uV-5M/s400/Front.JPG) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/QIHOZeT9rtDVxiIZs7x8ig?feat=embedwebsite)

EDIT: holy crap guys, I just found out that the company G&L exists. About all I know is Fender and Gibson (and I've seen Ibanez, and my dad has a couple Taylor acoustics), so the concept of Leo Fender founding another guitar company blows my mind. Are they any good? Do their (current) guitars appreciate in value as much (or better) than Fender? Do they even sell them at Guitar Center?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 13 Feb 2009, 18:47
EDIT: holy crap guys, I just found out that the company G&L exists. About all I know is Fender and Gibson (and I've seen Ibanez, and my dad has a couple Taylor acoustics), so the concept of Leo Fender founding another guitar company blows my mind. Are they any good? Do their (current) guitars appreciate in value as much (or better) than Fender? Do they even sell them at Guitar Center?
Actually, G & L is Leo Fender's third company.  His second was Music Man.  (I've got a 2 10" 65W Music Man version of the Twin Reverb; it's loud as hell and dirtier than a Fender Twin and completely awesome.)  Neither of these companyies is going to have the same presence as Fender at any chain store, and they're less common at local music stores too, IME.  I don't know what you mean exactly about appreciation; neither company was around in the '60s, so when the vintage guitar craze started in the '90s, their instruments weren't 'the real thing' that Beck, Hendrix, Dale, &c. would have used, so prices didn't go completely apeshit or anything.  However, they are very well-made American electric instruments, and they'll hold value as well or better than most contemporary American factory Fenders.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 13 Feb 2009, 18:58
G&Ls are awesome.  Even Tributes, which are the G&L value line, are awesome.

What do I need? And what fuse, exactly, should I look for?

I would take it in to a small, independent music store.  They might be able to help you out, if they do any amplifier servicing.  I know that where I live (Minnesota) we have a really fantastic place called Savage Audio which would totally be able to help you out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Feb 2009, 20:25
Yeah, I'd go to some local guitar/amp shops nearby and ask if they do amp services, and then see if they'll give you a hand.

That is a pretty sick amp, by the way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 14 Feb 2009, 23:37
@atimholt

I have a carvin tube amp from the 80's that is really similar to yours. I think the model is an XV112. Supposedly, Carvin just used Mesa guts. If that's the case, your amp might be the same as mine, just with a different name on it. Mine's 100 watts, all tube, with a built in equalizer. Unfortunately, it's in the shop, but when I get back, I can check the fuse and see what kind it is, or if Carvin sells replacement parts.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 16 Feb 2009, 03:10
Thanks. I guess I really need to just take it in someplace. I'll see.

I'm starting to fall in love with g&l. I've read nothing but love for them. Of course, I want to get a Megatar (http://www.megatar.com/english/home.html) next of all.
But if I got a regular guitar, it'd maybe be the g&l s-500. I'd started to fall in love with strats when I discovered g&l, and I like the added features the s-500 has over the legacy. I like their headstock too. I've got a Squier strat now, and those have got that enormous 70's style headstock which seems to want to detach and become its own instrument. Seriously, it's practically its own guitar body.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 16 Feb 2009, 16:33
G&Ls are what Fenders should be but aren't. Rock solid construction, amazing pickups, great playability, reasonable price vs. quality.

I don't even LIKE single-coils but I have such a boner for their classic Telecaster-style model.

That said, my current dream guitar is one of these suckers with vintage-style humbuckers in it:

[img width= height=]http://crestonguitars.com/_includes/img.php?t=gallery_img&f=image&id=1887[/img] (http://crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail.php?gid=115)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 16 Feb 2009, 17:00
G&Ls are what Fenders should be but aren't. Rock solid construction, amazing pickups, great playability, reasonable price vs. quality.

I don't even LIKE single-coils but I have such a boner for their classic Telecaster-style model.

That said, my current dream guitar is one of these suckers with vintage-style humbuckers in it:

[img width= height=]http://crestonguitars.com/_includes/img.php?t=gallery_img&f=image&id=1887[/img] (http://crestonguitars.com/gallery/detail.php?gid=115)
Is that a stereo tele with wide-range 'buckers?  :o
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 16 Feb 2009, 20:36
Could you please not quote the person above you (or quote pictures)?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Feb 2009, 20:37
Damnit, Jeph.  You're buying me a new pair of pants.

Hehe.  Those guitars are all crafted in Burlington.  That makes me happy for some reason.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 16 Feb 2009, 22:02
Damnit, Jeph.  You're buying me a new pair of pants.

Hehe.  Those guitars are all crafted in Burlington.  That makes me happy for some reason.

dude makes fancy tops from old barn-beams. SO HOT  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Feb 2009, 22:20
Is that a stereo tele with wide-range 'buckers?  :o

It's just a luthier's custom take on a Tele Deluxe (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-72-Telecaster-Deluxe-Electric-Guitar?sku=511141).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 17 Feb 2009, 01:06
No, really?  A Tele with 2 Fender Wide-Range style humbuckers is a takeoff on a tele deluxe?  How interesting!  ;)


What's really wild looking is that it seems to have 2 outputs
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 17 Feb 2009, 01:29
Don't you sass me. I missed the two 1/4 inch jacks. ;)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 17 Feb 2009, 05:12
Step off, Jeph! I'm the Tele Deluxe guy around here. =(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 17 Feb 2009, 06:52
Don't you sass me. I missed the two 1/4 inch jacks. ;)
Well, it *is* a Tele!  What are they doing, putting jacks on the top like that? 

Man, I haven't even thought about getting a stereo instrument since I sold my Rickenbacker 4001.  Not that I ever had 2 amps when I had that thing, tho.  But now I'm all about stereo delays and such, hmm...   Do I smell a new wiring project?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 17 Feb 2009, 09:30
I sold my Rickenbacker 4001

Fight you!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 Feb 2009, 09:35
WHY WOULD YOU EVER DO SUCH A THING
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 17 Feb 2009, 10:43
If I had a 4001 (or just a Ric in general), I think I'd sooner sell my soul.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: johnny5 on 17 Feb 2009, 14:56
Sorry if this was posted before, but there's a lot of pages...

anyone seen the mods this kid did to his tele? the details are on his blog: http://www.michaelocean.com/sesquipedalian/Tele_Mods.html

he plays some radiohead to get an idea on the sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Fd66DKX_g
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 17 Feb 2009, 18:05
I sold my Rick cuz it looked better than it played.  The bridge was misplaced and wouldn't intonate the E.  And I'm not so much of a bass player anyway.  It was a cool instrument, but I miss my old salmon pink CIJ Jazz bass more.

I'm much happier with this than the Rick, anyway:  (http://image48.webshots.com/49/4/20/80/334542080ruAPYr_ph.jpg)

(tho obv I wish I'd waited a few years to sell my Rick til after they doubled in value)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 18 Feb 2009, 02:39
I sold my Rick cuz it looked better than it played.  The bridge was misplaced and wouldn't intonate the E.  And I'm not so much of a bass player anyway.  It was a cool instrument, but I miss my old salmon pink CIJ Jazz bass more.

I'm much happier with this than the Rick, anyway:  (http://image48.webshots.com/49/4/20/80/334542080ruAPYr_ph.jpg)

(tho obv I wish I'd waited a few years to sell my Rick til after they doubled in value)

your bass guitar wouldn't intonate an E? where was the bridge, on MARS????

seriously, that boggles my mind. the bridge would have to be like 1/2 an inch out of place to be un-intonable. Or the frets would have to be in IOWA or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Sir Tacopuss on 18 Feb 2009, 04:45
guys, my stuff has arrived:

(http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_0106mnkp.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_0106mnkp.jpg)

i'm still waiting for this sucker to arrive from obamaland, can't wait to rock some ultra-evil doom sounds.  :evil:

(http://www.chrisguitars.com/boss-fz2-080930.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 18 Feb 2009, 07:01
That's a nice looking guitar, what's the sound like with the different pickups?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 18 Feb 2009, 07:37
I kind of want to get the P-90 Custom to match my 2HB one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 18 Feb 2009, 11:38
Man getting the Squier Tele Custom II in anything but blonde is a travesty.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Feb 2009, 05:00
My friend's got one. I was expecting it to be more like butterscotch blonde, but it's kind of creamy/aged Oly white transparent.

Sounds like a fucking beast, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 19 Feb 2009, 18:09
My new quest, is to search for a Fender TC-90.

My life needs more P-90's, since the pickups on the Jazzmaster aren't REALLY P-90s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 19 Feb 2009, 19:48
Good luck man, those things are damn hard to find, especially the red one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 19 Feb 2009, 20:21
Played my lead guitarist's 70's Telecaster today.  Died from amazement.

In other news, brand new strings take a while to break in on my Dano.  I just put new strings on, and the low E is ridiculously bright.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 19 Feb 2009, 22:57
My new quest, is to search for a Fender TC-90.

My life needs more P-90's, since the pickups on the Jazzmaster aren't REALLY P-90s.
they're not at all p-90's


they hum and they go in a guitar and that's about it
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 20 Feb 2009, 05:12
My new quest, is to search for a Fender TC-90.

My life needs more P-90's, since the pickups on the Jazzmaster aren't REALLY P-90s.

Well..no. They're just single-coil pickups that were specially designed for a Jazzmaster. From what I've heard, the CIJ Jazzmaster pickups are actually more similar to Strat pickups than say, AVRI or vintage Jazzmasters. P-90s are a whole different species.

(other solution: give me yr Jazzmaster)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 20 Feb 2009, 05:53
just got my epiphone tuned down to C. For anything doomy, droney, death-y or doom/deathy, man, it's amazing! And when you drop the lower string down to Bb it's extremely good times. I can finally play along to The Angelic Process now, yay!

Pics of my guitars:

Gibson Les Paul <333333
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v374/8/71/633458047/n633458047_966090_5958.jpg)
Terrible photo, but man, this is such a good guitar. The bass response is just astounding, truly fearsome low end. This is pretty ideal for me, as the two tones I generally use are a really bassy, thick sort of distortion, or a really bassy, thick clean sound. I don't do a lot of strumming.

Epiphone Explorer
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2370/8/71/633458047/n633458047_1386848_2816.jpg)
Obviously not as good a guitar but a lot of fun. I originally bought the guitar solely because it's the shape Hetfield plays, but turns out that the explorer is a pretty neat guitar shape as is. Nice distortion sound and the neck pickup has a surprisingly nice clean tone, very Mogwai-ish sounding.

I would post pics of my amp, but it's just a Marshall MG50.. quite embarrasing, really. I'll pick up a new one soon-ish, either an orange or something more esoteric. Pedalwise, I've got a Vox Bulldog distortion pedal (don't use it much with my current amp), a Digitech reverb and a Roland Space Echo, which is a seriously quality delay unit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 20 Feb 2009, 06:37
Man, C standard is such a solid tuning for drone metal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 20 Feb 2009, 06:40
I'm probably going to buy either an epiphone explorer or sg soon. Any reasons why i shouldn't?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 20 Feb 2009, 07:46
I'm probably going to buy either an epiphone explorer or sg soon. Any reasons why i shouldn't?

Explorers are a little tacky unless you seriously rock? I can't complain if you're getting a G-400, though. Solid guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Feb 2009, 08:25
No. There isn't. Doo eet

Guys I need yr help. I am trying to read and play this tab (http://www.themountaingoats.net/wiki/doku.php?id=tabs:autoclave), but I don't know what C/B means and neither a B nor C chord sounds right. WHAT DO I DOOOO

It's a either a C chord with a B note in the bass, or a B with a C in the bass.  I can't remember which.  So, tabbed out you might have a chord looking like...

|--0
|--1
|--0
|--2
|--2
|--x

OR

|--x
|--4
|--4
|--4
|--3
|--x

Both seem like really weird chord voicings, though...I mean the first one is more like an B/Am7 than a B/C
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 20 Feb 2009, 09:30
C/B means the B note is in the bass. It sounds weird because traditionally it's just used to bridge between C and A minor or the other way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 20 Feb 2009, 12:44
@Valley

i was thinking about the iommi as well but i prefer dot inlays over fancy, schmancy crosses.
And in my book tackyness is a plus (up to a certain point).
Thank for the replies by the way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 20 Feb 2009, 18:47
You guys, there is a Marshall half stack for sale on Craigslist for $400. It's the MG100HDFX with MG412A (angled) cabinet. IS THIS WORTH IT? My tax refund could totally cover it. Argh. I hate being poor.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 20 Feb 2009, 19:01
I'm probably going to buy either an epiphone explorer or sg soon. Any reasons why i shouldn't?

Explorers are a little tacky unless you seriously rock? I can't complain if you're getting a G-400, though. Solid guitars.

Hetfield plays an Explorer. Therefore, you should get one. The shape's rather comfortable, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 20 Feb 2009, 19:02
Why would you want to play anything Hetfield plays? The only pro is that it isn't Kirk Hammett.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 20 Feb 2009, 19:19
Why would you want to play anything Hetfield plays? The only pro is that it isn't Kirk Hammett.

Well, it's a fact that Hetfield circa '87 is the peak of music. So I think it's pretty obvious, really.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 20 Feb 2009, 23:46
Why would you want to play anything Hetfield plays? The only pro is that it isn't Kirk Hammett.

Well, it's a fact that Hetfield circa '87 is the peak of music. So I think it's pretty obvious, really.
What?  Hetfield circa '87 isn't even the peak of Metallica, much less music that don't suck  :-P
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 21 Feb 2009, 04:54
I like the old Metallica better than 'the new one' but I still think they're awesome.
Also metallica was one of the few good things in metal in the 80's and are therefore awesome.
Awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Feb 2009, 06:31
@Valley

i was thinking about the iommi as well but i prefer dot inlays over fancy, schmancy crosses.
And in my book tackyness is a plus (up to a certain point).
Thank for the replies by the way.

Well that and the Iommi is 24 frets. Makes the neck pickup sound a little different because it's placed closer to the bridge. (Doesn't Lunchy have an Iommi G-400 for some weird reason?)

Also, I don't think Hetfield when I think Explorer. I think of that goofy-haired bastard from Coheed and Cambria. Do you really want to be like him?


Edit, going by what you're saying, Matt, I was messing around with what I believe was a C/G chord last night.

-0-
-1-
-0-
-2-
-3-
-3-, correct?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 21 Feb 2009, 07:31
Taking into account that i barely know who Coheed and Cambria are, i suppose not.
I still love the explorer though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 21 Feb 2009, 09:26
Edit, going by what you're saying, Matt, I was messing around with what I believe was a C/G chord last night.

-0-
-1-
-0-
-2-
-3-
-3-, correct?

Yes, I believe so.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Feb 2009, 10:13
I was thinking more like The Edge (http://www.u2station.com/news/archives/11.15.00.jpg)

Not that it's a positive example or anything.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Feb 2009, 10:19
This is a hole we can't dig ourselves out of.

Anyway, Hetfield always played ESP models, IIRC. The only Gibsons I've ever seen him play were Les Pauls. Which makes his new ESP signature model HILARIOUS (it's based on one of his LP Customs (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f75/lusson/james2.jpg)).

(http://espguitars.com/images/guitars/IronCross_ESP.jpg)

New characteristics aka "We had to change the shape or else Gibson would sue us..again."
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Feb 2009, 11:06
That's.. pretty hideous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Feb 2009, 14:56
You guys, there is a Marshall half stack for sale on Craigslist for $400. It's the MG100HDFX with MG412A (angled) cabinet. IS THIS WORTH IT? My tax refund could totally cover it. Argh. I hate being poor.

Avoid. Solid state, and not even a very good one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 21 Feb 2009, 15:49
Lummer is correct.

Also, dear god, my eyes. That guitar is awful.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 22 Feb 2009, 05:11
Why would anyone want an iron-fucking-cross on their guitar? Hetfield might as well just regrow his biker 'stache and trim of the sides.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 22 Feb 2009, 10:32
Everyone just wishes they were Lemmy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 22 Feb 2009, 13:18
Except Lemmy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 23 Feb 2009, 07:59
What do you guys think of Sovtek? They're pretty cheap as far as all-tube heads go. I figure if I spend a little more on a head up front, I can upgrade the cabs later. I've been looking at the MIG-50 and thinking about tossing the cheapest 2x12 cab I can find under it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 23 Feb 2009, 08:09
I resent a consumer-grade tube amp being named after a part of my military heritage. In fact, the G part of MiG stands for nearly my name (Mikoyan-Gurevich, the latter being a variation on my surname, Gurvich)

This amp better kick ass to be named after a Soviet fighter jet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 23 Feb 2009, 08:24
Sovtek used to make Big Muffs for EHX, didn't they?

Based on that, man, you can't go wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Feb 2009, 08:31
What do you guys think of Sovtek? They're pretty cheap as far as all-tube heads go. I figure if I spend a little more on a head up front, I can upgrade the cabs later. I've been looking at the MIG-50 and thinking about tossing the cheapest 2x12 cab I can find under it.

Look it up on YouTube.  There's a pretty good handful of videos.  Everything I've found about them so far is positive.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 23 Feb 2009, 18:03
Be careful about the condition of the Sovtek amp.  A buddy had one with the crystal busted or LED missing or something and it nearly caught his house on fire.  Moral of the story is don't be an idiot, I guess.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: boneykingofnowhere on 23 Feb 2009, 21:38
I saw a rerun of Demetri Martin's new show and he was playing this weird Gretsch model that I have never seen before and cannot find on the internet for the life of me. It was a sort of a Telecaster-ish design with two humbuckers (I think the one in the bridge position was angled like a Tele single-coil which was weird) and it had a headstock that make the neck look like a hockey stick. The thing sounded awesome and I can't decide if it looked cool or hideous. Anyone seen one of these before?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 23 Feb 2009, 22:21
I saw the same episode. It looked like some sort of Eastwood with a Dano-esque headstock until I noticed the Gretsch logo. No clue what it is though.

Speaking of which guys, new Eastwoods!

Breadwinner

(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/breadwinner/images/gtr_Wh-breadwinner.jpg)

Monolith

(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/monolith/images/gtr_SunB-monolith.jpg)

Not quite sure what to think of the former; the latter is pretty cool (in brick red as well) despite my not being a fan of humbuckers in Teles.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Feb 2009, 22:35
I thought it could have been a Univox, but I could not make out any logos anywhere on the guitar.

He was playing a sweet tweed amp, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 23 Feb 2009, 22:58
A few brief GISes reveal that Demetri Martin plays a Gretsch TK300.

(http://www.vintage-guitars.se/1979_Gretsch_TK-300_natur.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 24 Feb 2009, 00:50
That looks like an Eastwood guitar, except without looking like it belongs plugged into a console.

With a different headstock I would probably have erotic dreams about that guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 24 Feb 2009, 05:46
I think Stephen Brodsky of Cave-In used that guitar in a music video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c73UEu-NF_Q)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Feb 2009, 05:57
A few brief GISes reveal that Demetri Martin plays a Gretsch TK300.

(http://www.vintage-guitars.se/1979_Gretsch_TK-300_natur.jpg)

Juan from Torche used that as his "bomb" guitar at one point too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 24 Feb 2009, 06:44
I was wondering what that was. I think he also may have stripped the Gretsch logo off and put a "DEMETRI" decal on. Funky looking guitar, for sure.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: boneykingofnowhere on 24 Feb 2009, 07:29
Must be a pretty rare guitar, I can't find any on eBay.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 24 Feb 2009, 08:12
Nah when I saw him using it on Comedy Central it clearly said Gretsch on the headstock.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 24 Feb 2009, 09:03
That thing is HORRIBLE.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 24 Feb 2009, 09:10
I think Stephen Brodsky of Cave-In used that guitar in a music video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c73UEu-NF_Q)

In that case, it's a great guitar. I miss Cave In, even if they do hate their own best album...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 24 Feb 2009, 09:59
In talks on OSG about trading my Epi Firebird for a black Squier Cyclone.

I suppose I need to do this, I'm probably the only guy on there WITHOUT an actual offset guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 24 Feb 2009, 11:05
A few brief GISes reveal that Demetri Martin plays a Gretsch TK300.

(http://++)
Aha, saw one of those played a few months ago here in Charlotte. Was wondering wtf...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 24 Feb 2009, 12:22
A few brief GISes reveal that Demetri Martin plays a Gretsch TK300.

(http://++)
Aha, saw one of those played a few months ago here in Charlotte. Was wondering wtf...
Where at?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 24 Feb 2009, 18:38
@Beastmouth

The Milestone. It was passed around between Calabi Yau, Lake and another band from out west (If I remember correctly).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MakuseruSukotto on 28 Feb 2009, 10:24
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f172/makuserusukotto/100_3614.jpg)
My Reverberocket.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2qs09qs.jpg)
My LP.

Pedalboard is in the "Guitar Pedal Thread".
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 28 Feb 2009, 10:50
Wait since when did ampeg make guitar amps? I thought they only made bass amps.

Unless that is a bass amp which in that case SDLKFJSDLK FWJELKRTJW WANT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 28 Feb 2009, 11:26
Ampeg makes guitar amps, they're just not as widely used as their bass ones.

Ampeg actually has a tiny version of their SVT (http://namm09.musicradar.com/news/ampeg-micro-vr-delivers-classic-tone-in-compact-package/) that I would like to use for guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Feb 2009, 11:56
(http://Image.)
My Reverberocket.

UNF UNF UNF
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MakuseruSukotto on 28 Feb 2009, 13:40
Wait since when did ampeg make guitar amps? I thought they only made bass amps.

Unless that is a bass amp which in that case SDLKFJSDLK FWJELKRTJW WANT

They have been making guitar amps since the early 60's. They were the first company to have onboard spring reverb in their amps, they had it even before Fender did.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 28 Feb 2009, 20:34
Oh wow really? Heh, shows what I know.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: edwinalink on 28 Feb 2009, 23:05
is that ampeg  WRAPPED IN CARBON!!!???? :-o
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 01 Mar 2009, 01:55
So I'm officially starting on a layaway plan to get a Megatar (http://Megatar.com). I've been emailing Traktor Topaz, and as soon as we have the price settled, I'll be on my way. I'm going to try to pay enough each month so that I'll have it in six months.

I'm getting a True Tapper Storm (the one with the Bartolini pickups), with black trim. I'm getting "bass bottom" tuning, i.e., both courses are in fourths, but I'm customizing it so the strings are in reverse. With my custom tuning, he said I might want to get an adjusted pickguard (at a price) so the pickups are positioned for tone the same as in non-reverse. He also said it really wouldn't make a significant difference in tone, but that he'd throw in edge dots for free, so I said yes.

So I'm way too excited about it. You should watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Za0c8SPj0Q), and maybe this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGdM3O_gtAU) too, to see a Megatar in action. Heck, I'll just put a bunch of links below. Follow them or not, it's okay. I promise none of them are a rickroll.
Kontinuum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pnOfEIxSQM)
Traktor explains their basic model, the Truetapper eclipse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz7tVkY4ydE)
Some guy plays "baby elephant walk" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhqKun2jJ6w)
megatar played by Brian Welch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYWMgqb2Y8U)


In the interest of fairness, I must tell you of the existence of the Chapman stick (http://www.stick.com/). It's been around a lot longer, and indeed Emmet Chapman, the founder, invented this method of "upright neck, arms parallel to the frets" tapping. However, I much prefer the tone and appearance of the Megatar, not to mention the enormously lower price. That, and the Megatar has a couple significant innovations built in, like the Buzz Feiten intonation system (and a friggin' body). Anyways, in the vein of the Chapman stick, here are some general tapping videos that show off what a Megatar can also do.
"One Cloud" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JjimMO2SdE)
Guillermo Cides, "The days they are coming" (I think). Awesome looperfication (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FAM4pCJKgM)
Guillermo Cides plays Bach (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Ys5olyY2I)
Not a Chapman stick, but same principle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS6wWB3N_eA)


[/overexcited oververbose rant]
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Mar 2009, 06:12
Oh wow really? Heh, shows what I know.

I believe Josh Homme plays a lot of Ampeg amps. Which can't be a bad endorsement.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MakuseruSukotto on 01 Mar 2009, 12:35
is that ampeg  WRAPPED IN CARBON!!!???? :-o
Ampeg calls it "Blue Diamond Tolex".
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: edwinalink on 01 Mar 2009, 14:39
is that ampeg  WRAPPED IN CARBON!!!???? :-o
Ampeg calls it "Blue Diamond Tolex".

whatever it is... its sexy!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Mar 2009, 21:36
What Jag did you endup getting again? Also, do you have any idea where the clicking is coming from?

AVRI. I think the clicking is coming from the trem lock, but I can't say for sure. I haven't pulled the system out because I am deathly afraid of fucking things up.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 02 Mar 2009, 02:56
Oh wow really? Heh, shows what I know.

I believe Josh Homme plays a lot of Ampeg amps. Which can't be a bad endorsement.

Dying Fetus and Misery Index also use the Ampeg VH140, which is actually a Solid State, but sounds absolutely brutal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Mar 2009, 12:23
Oh shit, guys, all the shit I ordered came in today. 8 dozen guitar picks, Dunlop Straploks, and a tweed Fender guitar strap.

No sign of that chorus pedal, Shane. I am beginning to wonder if it was eaten by a grue.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 02 Mar 2009, 12:51
So, I'm selling my Epi Dot and an Epi Firebird VII and searching for a guitar that's got a vintage vibe, and is good for jazz and blues.  I'm leaning toward a Hagstrom Viking at this point.  Any suggestions? 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 02 Mar 2009, 13:10
So, I'm selling my Epi Dot and an Epi Firebird VII and searching for a guitar that's got a vintage vibe, and is good for jazz and blues.  I'm leaning toward a Hagstrom Viking at this point.  Any suggestions? 

Get a good Telecaster copy (http://www.rondomusic.com/stlh3ts.html), throw on a Bigsby (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130288979687) and some new pickups (http://store.guitarfetish.com/pickups.html)

Good to go!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 02 Mar 2009, 13:15
Already have one.  It's an MIM tele in wine red.  I just had a full set up and a bone nut installed.  I dig the pickups on there, but they're a little noisy.  I might change them out. 

I love it a little too much to put the bigsby on, as they can be a little wonky.   Though, I really want a guitar with a bigsby, so an sx tele may be the answer.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 Mar 2009, 19:59
Get a good Telecaster copy (http://www.rondomusic.com/stlh3ts.html), throw on a Bigsby (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130288979687) and some new pickups (http://store.guitarfetish.com/pickups.html)

Good to go!

You and I should be friends.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Mar 2009, 22:45
So, I'm selling my Epi Dot and an Epi Firebird VII and searching for a guitar that's got a vintage vibe, and is good for jazz and blues.  I'm leaning toward a Hagstrom Viking at this point.  Any suggestions? 

Keep the Dot, sell the Firebird, and get the Viking. Easy!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 Mar 2009, 22:57
Hey guys, things you can masturbate to can be found here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,20478.msg786578.html#msg786578).

(Really I'm just a whore for my own photography)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Mar 2009, 23:38
That chick is cute, Gene, but that seems pretty sexist.

(I keed, that hollowbody bass is gorgeous. Also, chick with a thinline Tele with WRHs for the win, even if they are Fender's shitty fake Wide Ranges that she should probably replace with Novak vintage reproductions)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 03 Mar 2009, 00:41
So, I'm selling my Epi Dot and an Epi Firebird VII and searching for a guitar that's got a vintage vibe, and is good for jazz and blues.  I'm leaning toward a Hagstrom Viking at this point.  Any suggestions? 

Keep the Dot, sell the Firebird, and get the Viking. Easy!

All wrong man, sell the dot, sell the firebird, sell your home, and get a Gibson Firebird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 03 Mar 2009, 01:10
Nah don't sell your home, sell your eggs. It's uterUS, not uterYOU.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Mar 2009, 05:14
So, I'm selling my Epi Dot and an Epi Firebird VII and searching for a guitar that's got a vintage vibe, and is good for jazz and blues.  I'm leaning toward a Hagstrom Viking at this point.  Any suggestions? 

Get a good Telecaster copy (http://www.rondomusic.com/stlh3ts.html), throw on a Bigsby (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130288979687) and some new pickups (http://store.guitarfetish.com/pickups.html)

Good to go!

Pssh, give me $700 and I'll build one for you with a Bigsby.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 03 Mar 2009, 08:13
So, I'm selling my Epi Dot and an Epi Firebird VII and searching for a guitar that's got a vintage vibe, and is good for jazz and blues.  I'm leaning toward a Hagstrom Viking at this point.  Any suggestions? 

Keep the Dot, sell the Firebird, and get the Viking. Easy!

Eh, I like the Dot.  It sounds good, it's a gorgeous guitar, and the string action is unbelievable.  But, the neck is a baseball bat, and a slight change in temperature and the thing is all kinds of out of whack.  As for the Epi Firebird, it's a truly great guitar.  Plays like butter, sounds amazing, but it's a little too gawdy for me.  Red with gold hardware- not my cup 'o tea.  I'm really digging that Hagstrom, though.  Here's hoping some CL'er will jump on these. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Mar 2009, 08:22
So, guys.  I've been contemplating it for many moons now, and I'm down to either picking the Fender Thinline Telecaster '72 reissue that's been at the store near me for ages (I really like the neck and it's got some wicked sustain), an Epiphone Dot or Sheraton, or some kind of Gretsch.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 03 Mar 2009, 08:33
Gee, I've got a Dot for sale. Case, straplocks and everything... :wink:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Mar 2009, 08:44
Haha, how much?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 03 Mar 2009, 08:58
I pm'd you to avoid spamming up Jeph's innerwebs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: negative creep on 03 Mar 2009, 12:15
Guitar players, I have a question!

I'm thinking of buying a 4x10 bass cabinet for my guitar amp. Do you think this is a good idea? Also, would it be feasible to play my bass through my guitar amp and this cabinet?
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Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Mar 2009, 12:18
You can play a guitar through a bass amp without a problem, but I've been told that a bass through a guitar amp is not a good idea.  Not sure if it's true, though.
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Post by: Christophe on 03 Mar 2009, 12:22
As long as the speakers are bass speakers, playing bass --> guitar amp --> bass cabinet should be fine.
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Post by: negative creep on 03 Mar 2009, 12:22
Yeah the way I heard* it the main problem with playing a bass through a guitar amp are the speakers. With my projected set up that won't be a problem.



* meaning: I basically killed the speakers (and only the speakers, mind) on my Fender FM212 with too much low frequencies.


EDIT: missed Christophe's post, I hope he's right!
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Post by: Patrick on 03 Mar 2009, 13:23
I really really love the clean sounds I get out of bass amps. A cheap-ass solid state Fender bass amp was the only amp to ever make my nearly-forgotten Les Paul clone sound tolerable.

I should really have that guitar refretted and have the pickups replaced. The pickups sound like shit (no definition in any frequency) and the frets slice up my fingers like they're made out of katanas.
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Post by: negative creep on 03 Mar 2009, 13:29
Yeah I tried that, too, when I had this awesome Ampeg in my garage, but it's not like I'll ever play guitar with a clean sound. At least not in public.
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Post by: billiumbean on 03 Mar 2009, 13:31
How are the high notes when you play a guitar on a bass amp?  I imagine the low ends to come out really nicely distorted, but do the high ends just, like, drop off after a certain point?
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Post by: Patrick on 03 Mar 2009, 13:38
That's not how it works, heh. When the signal's processed, it just puts special emphasis on certain frequencies. It doesn't cut off high notes, it just makes the attack punchier and the sustain thicker.
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Post by: Ballard on 03 Mar 2009, 16:16
I know it's popular to play guitar through vintage Fender Bassman heads and the resulting tone is pretty awesome.
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Post by: Spluff on 03 Mar 2009, 19:58
Josh Homme used to play through bass amps in Kyuss. He typically used an Ampeg or a Bassman, iirc.
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Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2009, 05:05
I know it's popular to play guitar through vintage Fender Bassman heads and the resulting tone is pretty awesome.

Don't remind me. There's a 1968 Bassman 50 head on gbase for $550 that I've been drooling over for about a month, now.
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Post by: Ballard on 04 Mar 2009, 08:13
Dude, that's all it's going for? Get it! Now!
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Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2009, 08:17
I don't have the money, Gene! Maybe over the summer, but I want that little Vox combo.
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Post by: Christophe on 04 Mar 2009, 08:46
Electrical Audio is hawking off a Marshall JCM 800 on eBay. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330312109300) Starting bid is at $600.
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Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2009, 09:10
Speaking of crazy shit, ever seen a non-reverse Gibson Thunderbird (http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-Thunderbird-II-Bass-Non-Reverse-1966-Cherry-NICE_W0QQitemZ260363747740QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090217?IMSfp=TL090217114006r26567)?
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Post by: Christophe on 04 Mar 2009, 09:13
I think it would be funny to see Jaguar or Jazzmaster electronics on a Non-Reverse Thunderbird.
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Post by: Patrick on 04 Mar 2009, 12:34
I am pretty sure I've seen a picture of one with P-90s. Not the same thing as Jazz pickups, but aesthetically it's pretty much the same thing.
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Post by: Bearer on 05 Mar 2009, 09:37
My comrades, I have decided on a guitar project.  The tele bass idea fell through because I failed to win the shortscale neck.  So, I'm building a telecaster styled guitar out of a lot of different parts.  It'll have a mini humbucker in the neck and a tele single coil in the bridge.  However, because of the ridiculous electronics I plan on wiring into this thing, it will have...brace yourselves...

11 separate pickup combinations!

-A 4 way switch to allow both pickups to be wired together in series as well as parallel
-a push pull to turn the humbucker into a single coil
-a push pull to throw the pickups out of phase

Also going to repaint it.  Maybe British racing green or dark teal with black pickguard
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Post by: ledhendrix on 06 Mar 2009, 13:55
I'm borrowing my friends bass at the moment. I haven't really played it properly yet, just picked it up and mucked about with it. Where's a good place to start with a bass?
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Post by: Beastmouth on 06 Mar 2009, 14:53
I really really love the clean sounds I get out of bass amps. A cheap-ass solid state Fender bass amp was the only amp to ever make my nearly-forgotten Les Paul clone sound tolerable.

I should really have that guitar refretted and have the pickups replaced. The pickups sound like shit (no definition in any frequency) and the frets slice up my fingers like they're made out of katanas.
That doesn't sound like you need a refret; a crown and polish should do fine and is really pretty easy to do.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 06 Mar 2009, 22:35
I'm borrowing my friends bass at the moment. I haven't really played it properly yet, just picked it up and mucked about with it. Where's a good place to start with a bass?

How do you mean?  Start looking for one?

Probably try out some Fender or Squire Jazz or Precision basses.
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Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2009, 23:17
I really really love the clean sounds I get out of bass amps. A cheap-ass solid state Fender bass amp was the only amp to ever make my nearly-forgotten Les Paul clone sound tolerable.

I should really have that guitar refretted and have the pickups replaced. The pickups sound like shit (no definition in any frequency) and the frets slice up my fingers like they're made out of katanas.

That doesn't sound like you need a refret; a crown and polish should do fine and is really pretty easy to do.

Eh, that's not the only thing. The frets are also enormous, and I don't need/want/like frets that big. I like Fender's medium-jumbo frets a lot better than these railroad tracks.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 07 Mar 2009, 03:12
Ah should have been a bit more specific. I don't really know what to play, I'd like to start playing it like a bassist rather than a guitarist that owns a bass if that makes sense. Are there any particular songs that would be good to learn?
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Post by: The Joker on 07 Mar 2009, 13:55
I own the cheapest Les Paul-shaped guitar known to man.  It's an Epi Les Paul Special-II that was used and on sale.  It goes out of tune if you leave it alone for an hour or more (this is utter exaggeration) or capo it (this is not).

However, since I am such an epic guitar master, it makes up for it. 

Also, it has no pickguard, which makes it look about twice as good, and has a beautiful cherry sunburst finish.  It looks basically like this (http://www.dawsons.co.uk/acatalog/00063772.jpg), but I think mine looks better.  I don't know why.  I just do.



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Post by: Ballard on 07 Mar 2009, 14:13
Ah should have been a bit more specific. I don't really know what to play, I'd like to start playing it like a bassist rather than a guitarist that owns a bass if that makes sense. Are there any particular songs that would be good to learn?

I'm in the process of doing this right now! Really the best thing is learn to play walking bass in any key and ask to play bass for a band.* There's no better teacher than experience.**

* If you are a competent lead guitarist this should come naturally- it's basically just thinking of a simple lead guitar riff and making it even simpler, following chord and key changes, and learning to play a repetitive melody.*** Also remember, octaves are your friends.

** Mind you, if you've never picked up a fretted string instrument before, you may want to get a teacher or at least a book or something. This really only applies when you know some basic music theory and are comfortable in a band setting which it sounds like Led Hendrix is.

*** This is actually the hardest part for me, personally. As a lead guitarist I'm used to improvising, which means that my mind moves on to a new musical idea as soon as or before I'm done playing the first. What this means when I play bass is that I can never consistently play the same riff or musical idea throughout a song- I keep on varying it slightly and this is a pain in the ass for everyone else involved.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 08 Mar 2009, 08:25
If you are a competent lead guitarist this should come naturally- it's basically just thinking of a simple lead guitar riff and making it even simpler, following chord and key changes, and learning to play a repetitive melody.

That or just steal every riff John Paul Jones ever played. That one's pretty foolproof, since that's all anybody else ever does.
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Post by: sean on 08 Mar 2009, 12:27
I wish I had 400 dollars (http://cgi.ebay.com/Gretsch-G5120_W0QQitemZ160319056599QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item160319056599&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50) right now to spend on a guitar. Fuck summer where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Mar 2009, 13:28
I really want a G5122 Electromatic or a Duo Jet.

If only Duo Jets were half expensive as they were...*Sigh.*
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Post by: Patrick on 08 Mar 2009, 13:36
Jupiter Thunderbirrrrrrrrd
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Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Mar 2009, 13:59
(http://www.gretschguitars.com/repository/gretsch/images/G6199_md.jpg)

Really, Patrick?  Really?
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Post by: Patrick on 08 Mar 2009, 14:50
Come on Matt, Bo Diddley designed that thing, and you know how big an effect he had on me when I met him. Besides, that is infinitely radder than even the raddest of Eastwoods or Danelectros.

Besides, 22 frets and awesome placement of the neck pickup (a Gretsch humbucker, at that!) at the -same time-. It's basically every guitar I've ever wanted, and that's before knowing who designed it.
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Post by: Ballard on 08 Mar 2009, 14:50
Affordable, high quality Thunderbird alternative:

DeArmond JetStar (http://www.tdpri.com/telephoto/data/532/Ruby.jpg)

I'm making a huge mistake letting more people know about this company as it is. These guitars are only appreciating in value more as time goes on and more people rediscover them. I need to get my ass on investing in a few before it's too late.
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Post by: valley_parade on 08 Mar 2009, 14:57
Dearmond? Made by Fender after they bought Guild, and then they switched the line from DeArmond to Squier.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Mar 2009, 15:35
Come on Matt, Bo Diddley designed that thing, and you know how big an effect he had on me when I met him. Besides, that is infinitely radder than even the raddest of Eastwoods or Danelectros.

Besides, 22 frets and awesome placement of the neck pickup (a Gretsch humbucker, at that!) at the -same time-. It's basically every guitar I've ever wanted, and that's before knowing who designed it.

Haha.  I was just yankin' yo' chain.  As far as oddly-shaped bodies go, that is easily one of the better-looking ones.
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Post by: The Joker on 08 Mar 2009, 15:41
I tend to not like the weird-shaped ones.  Maybe I'm alone, and maybe I'm judging them too soon, but I'd kind of feel stupid playing (not necessarily that one) the really strange ones onstage.
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Post by: Ballard on 08 Mar 2009, 16:40
Dearmond? Made by Fender after they bought Guild, and then they switched the line from DeArmond to Squier.

Correction: made by DeArmond before they were bought out by Guild, made by Guild under the Guild name before they were bought out by Fender, discontinued entirely by Fender.

Fuck you Fender.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Mar 2009, 16:47
Man, vintage Dearmonds are still highly sought-after guitars, aren't they?  Kind of like those 60's Silvertones?
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Post by: MakuseruSukotto on 08 Mar 2009, 18:39
I really want a G5122 Electromatic or a Duo Jet.

If only Duo Jets were half expensive as they were...*Sigh.*

I just bought the poor-man's Duo Jet.

Got a Pro Jet with a Bigsby on it.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Mar 2009, 21:59
See, I considered that for a minute, but I really want the Filtertrons and the tone switching circuitry.  I really did like the Pro Jet's feel, so I suppose if I want to be frugal ('cause come on, there's a difference of a grand and a half to two grand there) I could get one.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2009, 05:03
See, I considered that for a minute, but I really want the Filtertrons and the tone switching circuitry.  I really did like the Pro Jet's feel, so I suppose if I want to be frugal ('cause come on, there's a difference of a grand and a half to two grand there) I could get one.

Curtis Novak does mini-humbucker sized FilterTron reproductions that would most likely drop into a Pro Jet.
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Post by: MakuseruSukotto on 09 Mar 2009, 09:44
See, I considered that for a minute, but I really want the Filtertrons and the tone switching circuitry.  I really did like the Pro Jet's feel, so I suppose if I want to be frugal ('cause come on, there's a difference of a grand and a half to two grand there) I could get one.
I wasn't really looking for a Gretsch though. Just happened to get offered a trade for an old amp I had laying around, so I said "sure why not".
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Post by: Bearer on 09 Mar 2009, 09:51
See, I considered that for a minute, but I really want the Filtertrons and the tone switching circuitry.  I really did like the Pro Jet's feel, so I suppose if I want to be frugal ('cause come on, there's a difference of a grand and a half to two grand there) I could get one.
http://store.guitarfetish.com/vintagestyle.html (http://store.guitarfetish.com/vintagestyle.html)
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2009, 10:09
Bearer, the Pro Jets have mini-humbuckers, whereas the Duos are full-sized.
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Post by: doombilly on 09 Mar 2009, 11:38
Ah should have been a bit more specific. I don't really know what to play, I'd like to start playing it like a bassist rather than a guitarist that owns a bass if that makes sense. Are there any particular songs that would be good to learn?
Anything by James Jamerson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Jamerson). Dude is probably one of the least known and most copied styles on the bass.
Quote
He is reported to have played on some 95% of Motown recordings between 1962 and 1968. He eventually performed on nearly 30 No. 1 pop hits -- surpassing the record commonly attributed to The Beatles. On the R&B charts, nearly 70 of his performances went to the top.
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2009, 13:19
http://store.guitarfetish.com/vintagestyle.html (http://store.guitarfetish.com/vintagestyle.html)

Oh my god if I didn't love the sound of my Kay I would do this to her. I think maybe I should buy another acoustic something like her on eBay, get a pair of those surface-mount mini-humbuckers, and build myself a hollowbody electric.

Oh my GOD I just came so hard at that idea, it's not even funny.
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Post by: Bearer on 09 Mar 2009, 19:12
Guitar Fetish is a pretty rad site.  I'm basicly building my telecaster off there and ebay.
pickups:
-Neck minihumbucker (http://store.guitarfetish.com/mipafatalvma.html)
-Repro 60's Hot bridge (http://store.guitarfetish.com/re19hotalteb.html)
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Post by: valley_parade on 10 Mar 2009, 10:35
Oh MAN. OH MAN (http://www.bostonguitar.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=BGWI&Product_Code=EG-EPI-WILD-CAT&Category_Code=EG-EPI).

(http://www.bostonguitar.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/epi-wild-cat-oran.jpg)

I should maybe buy this.
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Post by: Christophe on 10 Mar 2009, 10:42
If I were ever to get a Wildkat I'd eventually have to break down by getting a pickguard custom-cut for it. Something about non-pickguarded guitars irks me.

But yes Shane, you should get it.
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Post by: valley_parade on 10 Mar 2009, 10:43
$400? Yeah. But then how am I gonna afford a silverface Vibro Champ?
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Post by: Patrick on 10 Mar 2009, 16:14
You know about that one friend of mine whose dad Chuck has a Gibson CS-356 and a Fender Blues Deluxe? Yeah, he has a WildKat too.

He knows exactly how much I hate him.

(Chris, I am oddly enough against pickguards in a lot of cases when it comes to semi-hollows. My friend with the natural-finish Sheraton took his pickguard off and the thing looks absolutely gorgeous, and I would LOVE to do that with a sunburst 335 someday)
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Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Mar 2009, 19:04
That WildKat is sexy.  It's now on my list of "possible guitars to buy if I ever have the money again."  It's got everything I want.
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Post by: sean on 10 Mar 2009, 19:18
Shane you should get that so in 4-5 months we can be orange hollow body brothers. We could even write each other letters about how awesome our guitars are.
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Post by: valley_parade on 11 Mar 2009, 05:02
I realize now, those are CHROME P-90s.

If I get that, for aesthetic reasons, they're going black. And getting a roller bridge, for "this shit works" reasons.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Mar 2009, 06:19
The decision is made. I will buy myself a decent budget acoustic, open tune it, and surface-mount some of those dogear P-90s. Then I will slap two volume knobs on, a tone knob, and a 3-way. And there will be no rest for the weary.
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Post by: valley_parade on 11 Mar 2009, 07:08
That thing is going to win the "so ugly it's awesome" award, Patrick.


(Witch hats or else I'm going to smash it on you)
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Post by: Patrick on 11 Mar 2009, 14:35
No way man, I'm gonna make it gorgeous. It's going to look something like that one Gibson ES-300 that showed up in this thread like a year ago. Except not in a gorgeous sunburst.

Edit: after perusing eBay for maybe 5 minutes I came across something that absolutely makes me cry (http://cgi.ebay.com/1961-Kay-Jazz-II-nice-all-original-w-Kelvinator_W0QQitemZ260372476664QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item260372476664&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A570|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50)

Oh my god I have no reason left to live, this is too perfect for me to not be able to afford it
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 11 Mar 2009, 15:00
goddamnit why aren't instrument makers making little awesome double-cut archtops like this

damnit mike robinson get on that shit, I would trade away my Lead II in a heartbeat
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 11 Mar 2009, 21:30
damnit mike robinson get on that shit, I would trade away my Lead II in a heartbeat
why would you get rid of a guitar you can actually play?  ;-P
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: billiumbean on 12 Mar 2009, 17:02
goddamnit why aren't instrument makers making little awesome double-cut archtops like this
Ahem. (http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/Gibson%20Custom%20Proudly%20Presents/)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 12 Mar 2009, 22:43
I restrung my guitar last night.  It came into tune nicely today.  Ah, magnificent brightness. 
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Post by: valley_parade on 13 Mar 2009, 05:09
goddamnit why aren't instrument makers making little awesome double-cut archtops like this
Ahem. (http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/Gibson%20Custom%20Proudly%20Presents/)

AFFORDABLE PLEASE.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Mar 2009, 15:38
I am completely with Shane on this one. God, I would give anything for that Kay. I'd trade my Jag. At least they're still making Jags. FUCK I hate my life.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Mar 2009, 16:41
Kay's still around, Patrick.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Kay-Vintage-Reissue-Guitars-Reissue-Thin-Twin-Electric-Guitar?sku=528022
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Mar 2009, 16:03
They have one guitar and one bass available on MF. A quick Google search yielded nothing but a Strat clone, an SG clone, a 335 clone, and some other pathetic clone shit. Nothing like what Kay used to be.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 14 Mar 2009, 16:27
That website looks like it was last copyrighted in 2006 brah (as well as written in 1996).
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Post by: MakuseruSukotto on 14 Mar 2009, 22:38
(http://i43.tinypic.com/a26tyq.jpg)

Plays awesome. Love it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Mar 2009, 01:15
You can give me all your guitars and start fresh if it will help you revive your passion for it.
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Post by: Tehz on 15 Mar 2009, 11:00
(http://i43.tinypic.com/a26tyq.jpg)

Plays awesome. Love it.

You lucky fucker. Is it an Electromatic?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Mar 2009, 11:17
It's an Electromatic.
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Post by: Tehz on 15 Mar 2009, 11:30
Truly a beautiful instrument. Makes me want to invest in a Gretsch.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 17 Mar 2009, 13:25
Does anyone know how to play Slow Hands by Silkworm? I just can't work out the chords at all.

Also, I think this is Don't Make Plans This Friday:

G    F    A    C
Repeat a few times, then the chorus bit goes:
G    F    G    A      C     G     A    C
I'm not sure about that line, I think the second G or the A might be wrong.
The solo seems to be using the E minor pentatonic, just messing around up there. I play all the chords as barres, strumming and picking random notes, it sounds alright.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 17 Mar 2009, 14:33
The verse chords are correct, but I usually make that A an A minor, and that first chord in the chorus I play an E minor.

Lovely fucking song.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 Mar 2009, 20:11
If we're talking about songs now, I figured out "The Concept" by Teenage Fanclub the other day.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 17 Mar 2009, 21:01
I am pretty much tone-deaf, it takes me forever to figure out that kind of stuff. If I'm lucky, and the chords are close, I can figure out the interval after a couple tries. I really don't know how you people do it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 Mar 2009, 21:06
Sometimes  by accident, sometimes by trial and error.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 17 Mar 2009, 21:10
Yes, serendipity.  And Google is your friend. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Mar 2009, 03:30
For the record:

all-guitar-chords.com is an amazing resource for finding names for all the ricockulous chords you "invent". There's a link to a function on there called "chord name".

It also shows you any scale you want ever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 18 Mar 2009, 06:24
I accidentally came up with the flight of the bumblebee without meaning to at all at all. Then my fingers exploded.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 18 Mar 2009, 08:42
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/jwells393/GretschTele.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 18 Mar 2009, 08:48
Ew.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 18 Mar 2009, 08:50
If you like Teles and Gretches, get one of each. Don't call up Fender's Custom Shop and say "make me something atrocious".

That, my friends, is a Tele that even I would not touch.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 18 Mar 2009, 10:52
Not sure if I ever posted this?...but get out your moist towels for for cleanup.
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_-_XBoT8iDo4/Rz-JKsa3UhI/AAAAAAAAAT0/o3tSfPQt448/s400/DSC06053.JPG) (http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/200706SanFranGuitarShop#5133972917041189394)
Vintage shoppe I found a couple yrs ago in SFO. Click the image for more.


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 18 Mar 2009, 11:12
GretschTele

B===D~~~
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 18 Mar 2009, 11:29
Not sure if I ever posted this?...but get out your moist towels for for cleanup.

Double cutaway Les Paul Junior hauglSJFJHDFHJSFKDSJKSD
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 18 Mar 2009, 12:42
yeah all those guitars were REALLY old. Not fake worn.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Mar 2009, 16:46
Where exactly was this shop in San Fran? It looks like I have a lot of fucking things to do the next time I'm in the Yay Area.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 19 Mar 2009, 05:15
It has been two yrs but I think this is the place:
http://realguitars.com/
Sucky web site but here's the map + 411:
http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3710720963


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 19 Mar 2009, 16:13
Yay Area.

i c wut u did there
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Mar 2009, 04:00
Nobody in a thread called "The Guitar Topic" would have any fucking clue what I was talking about if I just said "The Hyphy".
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 20 Mar 2009, 08:23
Yeah, I would have guessed you were talking about that Hyperion fuzz that Devi Ever makes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Mar 2009, 06:59
Edit: Firebird traded to OSG's patron saint of GAS. I get this in return!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Pacafeliz/Guitars/DSC00898.jpg)

He's dated it to '76. I'm likely going to get an intonable wraparound from Guitar Fetish, and possibly (mayyyybe) remove the neck pickup and use it as a Junior.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Mar 2009, 08:27
Nicccceeee.

I modded my TurboRAT last night.  Apparently, the only difference between it and the other RAT circuits was the clipping diodes.  So I switched 'em.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Invammocon on 26 Mar 2009, 09:04
Most of my guitars.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=80181035&albumId=2435415

There's one other one but it doesn't count.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 26 Mar 2009, 10:05
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/n566427881_1679602_1564631.jpg)

Behold, the fruit of my labor!  The telecaster with 11 separate pickup combinations!  Also a custom headstock logo:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/n566427881_1643875_4133045.jpg)

She sounds purdy and horrible and crazy all at once.  Mmmmmm
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Mar 2009, 10:11
God damnit, Bearer.  I hate you so much (QuixoteCaster is absolutely brilliant, though).

What are the pickup combinations again?  Obviously there is bridge, neck, bridge and neck, but then you've got both in phase or out of phase, then in series and stuff?

On a different note: I found a used Epiphone EB-0 bass guitar at the shop near me and I kind of really want it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 26 Mar 2009, 11:14
These are the different configurations.  Surprisingly, given the right amp settings, each one is pretty unique.

"Selector Switch" - "Volume Pot" , "Tone Pot" :

1-Down, Down:     Series Neck/Bridge – Series – In Phase;
1-Down, Up:          Series Neck/Bridge – Series – Out Phase;
1-Up, Down:          Parallel Neck/Bridge – Series – In Phase;
1-Up, Up:               Parallel Neck/Bridge – Series – Out Phase;
2-Down, N/A:        Series Neck;
2-Up, N/A:             Parallel Neck;
3-Down, Down:     Series Neck/Bridge – Parallel – In Phase;
3-Down, Up:          Series Neck/Bridge – Parallel – Out Phase;
3-Up,Down:           Parallel Neck/Bridge – Parallel – In Phase;
3-Up, Up:               Parallel Neck/Bridge – Parallel – Out Phase;
4-N/A,N/A:            Bridge;

Also, this is the logo I made:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/Quixotecaster_logo.png)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 26 Mar 2009, 12:16
I went to a pretty awesome local guitar place on Sunday, and I played some really fantastic shit. I would've posted about this earlier, but someone forgot to pay the internet bill, soooo.... :roll:

Anyway, the place was nearly empty for some reason or another, so I took it upon myself to play every single guitar I saw that caught my interest. I played Les Pauls, SGs, Jaguars, Casinos, Rickenbackers, all that kind of thing. The two instruments I was the most impressed with was a Japanese Fender Blue Flower Telecaster (seen here: http://www.davesguitar.com/product/95198.JPG (http://www.davesguitar.com/product/95198.JPG)) and a Fano JM6 (this is the actual guitar I played right here: http://www.altomusic.com/components/guitars/Images/DSCF5649%20lg.jpg (http://www.altomusic.com/components/guitars/Images/DSCF5649%20lg.jpg))

The Fano was probably the best guitar I've ever played, no lie. Through a Super Reverb, it was easily the most beautiful tone I've ever been able to coax out of an instrument. Furthermore, the neck was perfectly broken in and the Bigsby was soooooo smooth. Too bad it's $1899.  :-( Fortunately, the floral Telecaster was pretty excellent too, and it was under a thousand bucks, so I'm pretty interested in that now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Mar 2009, 12:22
What the hell, where is this place?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 26 Mar 2009, 13:28
Middletown, NY.

http://www.altomusic.com/ (http://www.altomusic.com/)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 27 Mar 2009, 00:01
sending in the deposit for my Creston Tele/Les Paul/Firebird bastard child today motherfuckers

I will have pics to make you drool in 3-6 months
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: billiumbean on 27 Mar 2009, 02:34
I WOULD SEX THAT GUITAR SO HARD IT WOULD REQUIRE XLR CABLES TO AMPLIFY IT AFTERWARD.

GOOD JOB.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Mar 2009, 06:09
Stop shitting up the drool thread with your Actual Purchases, employed-person.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Mar 2009, 06:53
HEY PATRICK I'M UNEMPLOYED AND LOOK WHAT I'M GETTING.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 27 Mar 2009, 08:02
OH LOOK AT ME I HAVE A JOB LOLOLOLOL AND CAN BUY ANY GUITAR IN THE WOOOORLD
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Mar 2009, 08:03
Dude my bank account's overdrawn and I can't get a job.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 27 Mar 2009, 08:07
ITT: Chris is a dick.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Mar 2009, 08:10
Yeah.

A dick with a Lead II.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Mar 2009, 13:42
Man fuck you guys, if the guy on OSG (Shane: yes it's Pat) is willing to hold onto his ES-345 clone until June or July, I will be getting a damn nice guitar for not a lot of money.

I can't even remember if that thing has a Bigsby or not, lawl. (edit: no it does not. Trapeze tailpiece. See below)

Edit: HEY YOU FUCKERS LOOK WHAT I AM BUYING IN JUNE OR JULY

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Pacafeliz/Guitars/DSC00747.jpg)

El Degas ES-345 clone. "Lawsuit" guitar. Full-hollowbody, 2 humbuckers, varitone switch, and oh my GOD what a gorgeous instrument. 22 frets and the neck 'bucker is placed properly instead of in a shitty SG-esque spot well away from the sweet spot. No fret buzz anywhere, according to the guy selling her. He replaced the tuners with Grovers, a major improvement on the original tuners. Bolt-on neck, so it's not quite a proper ES-345, but it's not like I could ever be pegged as a sustain junkie (I play a Jaguar for shit's sake).

I cannot WAIT until I can get this fucker paid for. Like, I REALLY can't wait.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 27 Mar 2009, 19:00
Today I played some guitars at a fun shop in Santa Fe, where I am currently on spring break.  My favorite was a very attractive dreadnought acoustic-electric, a Blueridge BR-60CE.  I've been looking for a mid-range acoustic-electric for college, and my dad hinted that if I really like this one he might finance the purchase.  This guitar is pretty awesome, one of the most comfortable acoustics I've played.  The finish is gourgeous, and the tone is really nice: nice definition in the attack without being too tinny and a lot of resonance.  I've yet to try it plugged in, but the pickup and preamp are Fishman so I'm guessing it'll be good, and I'm going back sometime soon to try it.

Here's the pic from the company website:

(http://www.sagamusic.com/catalog/images/BR-60CE.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: billiumbean on 28 Mar 2009, 05:39
Got this one a year ago.  The Fender Sonoran SCE acoustic-electric, mahogany neck and body, rosewood fingerboard, 20 frets, dreadnought, sweet as a peach, deep as the Buddha smoking hookah.  Plays like a 'lectric, sounds pristine plugged in.  greenMonkey, if you get the chance, I recommend at least checking it out before purchasing anything else.

(http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/fit,400by400/quality,85/brand,zzounds/0968025021v2_hi-dca6b82a5a1a56717264c5508393744d.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Mar 2009, 06:21
I'd meant to ask him how good the Varitone thing on that is, but I was too distracted by some fuckin' P-90s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Mar 2009, 10:04
WHEN DID MUSICIAN'S FRIEND START CARRYING DEVI EVER? Whoa.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Mar 2009, 11:53
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/9/7/590497.jpg)

Hehahahaha.  I think I just fell in love with Devi Ever pedals.

I can has fuzz?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Mar 2009, 12:57
I'd meant to ask him how good the Varitone thing on that is, but I was too distracted by some fuckin' P-90s.

I don't even plan on using the Varitone on that thing. I'm just gonna switch it to whatever gives me high-enough amounts of treble. I figure since it's a full-on hollowbody, I won't have any trouble whatsoever getting bass or mids out of it. Then I am going to dime out my amp and my Tonebone (oh wait, already do with my Jag).

Which reminds me, I love having all the EQ settings dimed out lately. I don't know why but there is something about having the Marshall and the Tonebone dimed out together that gives me the perfect tone. The only things I change are volume and distortion, and it sounds perfect. Maybe I am lucky.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: atimholt on 29 Mar 2009, 00:58
Also, this is the logo I made:
"Hoffman"


Sid Hoffman, or Sid Frenchman?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Mar 2009, 07:44
Guys I am wondering how I would fix a warped neck

I think it is made out of pine or maple, I really don't know. It's my '53 Kay acoustic I'm talking about here.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 29 Mar 2009, 08:03
Truss rod adjustment, homie.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Mar 2009, 08:26
That was the absolute first thing I tried.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 29 Mar 2009, 18:52
if it's actually warped there's not much you can do.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 31 Mar 2009, 14:37
Warped neck, huh?  That sucks.  I had that happen on my 50's Kay and I ended up just trading it in to a luthier.  It can be fixed, but it involves removing the fret board, the truss rod (if your Kay is of the later variety that had one) and occassionally the neck itself.  Then the luthier does something involving steam and heavy clamping, followed by some planing.  Then, they fill the truss rod channel, re-channel it, and reattach the truss rod and fretboard. 

As you can imagine, this is expensive to have done, and should really only be tried by a luthier.  Now the even worse news- planing removes wood.  If the neck twisted once due to weak, cheap, porous wood, etc., it probably will again now that it has less mass.  On the other hand, you can have graphite reinforcement rods installed which may help.  Lots of guys who are into restoring sears brands like Kay, Sovereign, etc. put in truss rods and graphite bars as a matter of course.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 31 Mar 2009, 14:56
My dads done quite a bit of work restoring old acoustic guitars. The graphite strengthening rod works pretty well in them. Although as Chad said it does require a lot of work and might not be worth it unless it's a really nice guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 31 Mar 2009, 17:35
The sound of the thing is great, if that's what you mean by a nice guitar. I just wanna make her playable. I have a choice of saving up for a lower-budget Taylor (I've seen new ones go for 6, and I LOVED the way they played) or Takamine or something, or I could make an amazing player's guitar out of this old strumbox. Now, for specifics that you mentioned:

Warped neck, huh?  That sucks.  I had that happen on my 50's Kay and I ended up just trading it in to a luthier.  It can be fixed, but it involves removing the fret board, the truss rod (if your Kay is of the later variety that had one) and occassionally the neck itself.  Then the luthier does something involving steam and heavy clamping, followed by some planing.  Then, they fill the truss rod channel, re-channel it, and reattach the truss rod and fretboard.

She does indeed have a truss rod. And removing the neck isn't a problem at all, it's got a bolt-on neck. I'll definitely mention the strengthening rod when I take her in.

I'm pretty sure the neck twisting was just decades of neglect. She was a case baby, so you would probably see more scratches on a diamond. But apparently when my dad got her in the mail (eBay, Christmas present for me about 2 years ago) she was tuned almost completely to pitch.

One thing I will definitely ask is whether planing is absolutely necessary. I don't want to do anything that isn't instrumental in getting the sucker to play well (pardon the 'instrumental' pun, I really couldn't think of another word).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 31 Mar 2009, 19:18
Oh shit, you guys.  The Tiny Terror has a rival now (http://www.proguitarshop.com/product.php?ProductID=1430&CategoryID=).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: negative creep on 31 Mar 2009, 19:43
It looks nice, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 31 Mar 2009, 20:03
It sounded pretty sick in the demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxL04_EKUdI&feature=player_embedded).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Mar 2009, 22:07
Jesus Christ guys I just went to MusiciansFriend to window shop for guitars. I haven't done that in a few months because I've been too busy with photography and my money just went towards a brand new camera. But I looked and I'm about to cry. Tele Thinlines are $950 now. The American Deluxe Tele is just under $1900. That's a $700 price increase.

Someone please tell me this is just some sick April Fool's joke. I feel like I'm going to be violently ill, no joke.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: edwinalink on 01 Apr 2009, 00:50
I am so glad I dont like fenders...

shecters are still cheap right?

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Apr 2009, 05:20
Gene, Fender instituted a 30% price increase like two months ago. Get with the times and build like the rest of us are going to do. =/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 01 Apr 2009, 07:08
hey kids I'm teh Youtoob. Ted Stevens was right, no wonder he's going free.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otN7VRUlj5w
Sorry for the arse sounding point-n-shoot fuji action.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Apr 2009, 08:10
http://marshallamps.com/product.asp?productCode=1992LEM&pageType=OVERVIEW

Hello. You must be massive.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Apr 2009, 09:05
BUT WHAT THE FUCK MEXICAN THINLINE TELECASTER ALMOST $1000 I REFUSE TO ACCEPT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 01 Apr 2009, 11:57
Oh shit, you guys.  The Tiny Terror has a rival now (http://www.proguitarshop.com/product.php?ProductID=1430&CategoryID=).

I'm very interested in this.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: billiumbean on 01 Apr 2009, 21:21
Jesus shit.  The Night Train's pretty tight.  Not too sure about rivaling the Tiny Terror, though.  I'll look into it.  It could take all night.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Apr 2009, 21:47
Well, I meant a rival in the fifteen-watt, triode/pentode-switchable, mini-head market.

Does anyone know how to get rid of fret-buzz?  I never really cared all that much before, because I'd only play my Strat through my amp, and almost always through a dirt box, so fret buzz was never much of an issue.  It's really been driving me crazy lately, though, and I want to deal with it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Harun on 01 Apr 2009, 22:04
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/document?doc_id=88214 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/document?doc_id=88214)


also some pr0n:

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/798/lfcb70d9215424fcc958599.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Apr 2009, 05:00
BUT WHAT THE FUCK MEXICAN THINLINE TELECASTER ALMOST $1000 I REFUSE TO ACCEPT.

Building's cheaper, dude.

Also, claiming guitar porn and posting an Ibanez is pretty much like saying you boned a girl, when all you did is hold hands.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 02 Apr 2009, 05:08
scathing opinions
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Apr 2009, 05:16
It's a fucking Ibanez! MEEDLEMEEDLETAPPITYTAPPITYSHREEEEEEEEEEEEDTAPPITYTAPPITYLEGATOOOOOOO
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 02 Apr 2009, 05:26
Ibanezes are neat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 02 Apr 2009, 05:42
It's a fucking Ibanez! MEEDLEMEEDLETAPPITYTAPPITYSHREEEEEEEEEEEEDTAPPITYTAPPITYLEGATOOOOOOO

what's your point
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Apr 2009, 06:06
I saw Ibanez's 2009 catalog a few weeks back. Every guitar looked the same to me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cernunnos on 02 Apr 2009, 06:07
Building's cheaper, dude.
 

Shane i have to warn you, Everyone Iv'e talked to about building guitars, even from pre-made parts, has said that there is a good chance it will be just as expensive, at least on your first try. Even with a bunch of bolt-on parts, it's not just an investment of money, but of time and more importantly skill, which may or may not take a few tries to get right. That being said, it still seems like a wholly worthwhile pursuit, and there's a good chance it will come out fine the first try.

on that note, a while ago the TDPRI forums had a $100 telecaster challenge. The rules were simple: make a tele in a month for a hundred dollars or less. Don't count the price of lumber. The results were awesome. here's a good one:


http://www.tdpri.com/forum/2009-%24100-tele-challenge/148275-completed-lumbercaster.html
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: A Wet Helmet on 02 Apr 2009, 08:51


Building's cheaper, dude.



I have built a lot of guitars, and my average price to build now is about $400 a pop.  I could probably shave about a hundred bucks off that if I wanted to, but I'm not an excessively cheap person.

When I first started and was having to buy tools and things... I was up over $600 per instrument.   
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Apr 2009, 09:31
When I first started and was having to buy tools and things... I was up over $600 per instrument.   

Seeing that the Fenders I'd rather build clones of run about $1000-1200 now, not bad.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Apr 2009, 17:07
50% off is a bargain no matter which way you slice it.

Fuck me I am glad I bought my Jag before the price increase.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Harun on 02 Apr 2009, 17:25
All Ibanez guitar's that have prestige neck's are some of the nicest playing guitars. ever. And the one's made in their custom shop are one of the best guitars ever in terms of versatility -  style and tone wise. I think's it's funny that some people just look at the guitar and think THEYALLLOOKTHESAMESHREDSHREDHARMONICSQUEELYDIMISHEDARPEGGIO. Yes, a lot of technically proficient players like to play them - but that's because Ibanezes are great guitars. At least they look more attractive than Steinbergers.  :lol: :wink:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 02 Apr 2009, 18:42
Ibanez make the Jet King.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 02 Apr 2009, 20:13
Also, claiming guitar porn and posting an Ibanez is pretty much like saying you boned a girl, when all you did is pussy out of talking to her, go home and masturbate furiously.

FYP.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 03 Apr 2009, 04:16
Ibanez make the Jet King.

Hitler made the Autobahn. I fail to see the connection.

I (God)WIN.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Apr 2009, 04:59
Ibanez make the Jet King.

EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, DOVEY. There's a store in Boston that's got a used Jet King for $200, I want it so bad.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 03 Apr 2009, 05:00
Also the Herman Li Sig guitar! Damn thing has a SCALLOPED HAND-GRIP ON THE UPPER HORN.

SCALLOPED

HAND

GRIP

ON

THE

UPPER

HORN
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 03 Apr 2009, 05:01
Ibanez make the Jet King.

Hitler made the Autobahn. I fail to see the connection.

I (God)WIN.

Incorrect, actually! The first autobahn was created more than a year before Hitler became Chancellor.

Once again, you all falter in the face of the Jet King.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Apr 2009, 06:33
Also the Herman Li Sig guitar! Damn thing has a SCALLOPED HAND-GRIP ON THE UPPER HORN.

SCALLOPED

HAND

GRIP

ON

THE

UPPER

HORN

Yeah Dovey, it's the most superfluous piece of shit I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 03 Apr 2009, 10:16
Well, there has to be some sort of tangible connection with the band, so in some bizarre way it makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Apr 2009, 11:27
Re: Jet King

(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/suprodualtone/images/gtr_Blk-suprodualtone.jpg)

You guys were saying?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 03 Apr 2009, 13:55
Incorrect, actually! The first autobahn was created more than a year before Hitler became Chancellor.

Once again, you all falter in the face of the Jet King.

I am talking about THE Autobahn, not just highways. There is a difference.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Apr 2009, 15:33
Re: Jet King

(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/suprodualtone/images/gtr_Blk-suprodualtone.jpg)

You guys were saying?

God damn I want one of those.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 03 Apr 2009, 16:17
I am talking about THE Autobahn, not just highways. There is a difference.

The German Autobahns are a series of highways - and the first autobahn was constructed in 1931.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 03 Apr 2009, 19:02
A f#@$ing Supro reissue.

Add another one to my to-buy list.

- SG '61 Reissue
- Orville By Gibson Goldtop
- Telecaster Custom '62 CIJ
- AIY (Assemble it Yourself) Strat, Telecaster Single - Strat Single - Mini-Humbucker. Some sort of Nashville Strat.
- Ceriatone 18W TMB
- Dr. Z MAZ 18 Jr.
- A decent cab, no Celestion V30s allowed. Probably Golds or Blues (not my cuppa tea).
- Deluxe Memory Man (yeaaah, another one.)
- Fulltone Clydewah
- Eastwood Supro

Sheesh, that's over 5k$ of stuff.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Apr 2009, 19:10
Give it a few years and that Gibson will run you five effing k.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 03 Apr 2009, 20:01
Give it a few years and that Gibson will run you five effing k.

Which one? The SG or the Orville?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Apr 2009, 06:19
the SG.

I hadn't realized until a few weeks ago how insane Gibson's jacked up their prices lately. I remember when those faded SG Specials went for like $600, they're nearly a grand now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Apr 2009, 11:32
Oh fuck my life, how am I going to afford one to mod the shit out of now? God damn it, the electronics were the ONLY THING I did not like and now I can't even get another one to mod.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: A Wet Helmet on 04 Apr 2009, 14:15
Holy cow.

On a whim --and for no apparent reason-- my wife just brought me home a Peavy EXP signature series guitar.   Mahogany body, rosewood fingerboard, and a gorgeous quilt top.  Except for the fact that my fingerboard only has an inlay at the 12th fret, it looks just like this one.(http://www.alfred-christensen.dk/images/peaveysignaturesxptigereye.jpg)

I'm not certain that I would have gone and bought one for myself, but holy crap, for essentially randomly selecting me a guitar in a store and hoping I'd like it, it sure does play great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Headwoünd on 04 Apr 2009, 15:35
Your wife, Sir, is ORESUM. :-)
Almost suspiciously oresum, but oresum nonetheless.

And so is Ibanez - bang/buck ratio is nice and I happen to like their style.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Apr 2009, 20:40
So I was talking to Shane about this.

Someone's offered me a 1993 Olympic White Squier Strat in place of money to give them guitar lessons. I want to take it and mod the shit out of it- possibly turn it into a VOX Teardrop. Ideas?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Radical AC on 04 Apr 2009, 20:53
Depends on the quantity of lessons you plan on giving.  I'd say 4-6 weeks at half an hour a week for that sounds about right.  I'm always down for modding cheap guitars, but I've never really done much body modification to them (and by much I mean any)

Doesn't VOX still sell the teardrop guitar?  Does anyone know how they compare to the vintage ones?

And back to that Supro Dual Tone - I know Supro still makes them, would anyone know how they compare to Eastwoods model, and/or to the original Res-o-glass models?  I know a new actual Supro runs ~$2000 and the Eastwood is $600.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Apr 2009, 21:27
VOX doesn't make guitars at all anymore. I think they've reissued the Brian Jones model specifically but I'm not too interested, particularly because Phantom Guitar Works (http://www.phantomguitars.com/) makes great re-issues at a better price.

If I'm gonna get a real VOX Teardrop I'll get a vintage one.

I didn't mean ideas on the value of the guitar. I meant ideas on what I can do with it and whether or not it's worth giving lessons for at all when I can be earning money instead from other people.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Radical AC on 04 Apr 2009, 21:44
I was referring to THESE (http://www.voxamps.com/us/guitars/) unless I'm mistaken.

I'm not sure to tell you what to do with it unless I know what you want.  Personally I'd like to put some Red and Blue LACE pickups in a Strat, or preferably a Tele.  Honestly you are probably better off charging for lessons.  You are going to be spending more money than the guitar is worth modding it, and not getting any money for the work you would be doing in the mean time.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Apr 2009, 22:02
Eugene, do you have any first-hand experience with Eastwood guitars?  I am kind of thinking about getting a Hi-Flier copy someday.
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Post by: Ballard on 05 Apr 2009, 00:30
Matt, the shop I used to work at (http://www.ludlowguitars.com/) stocked pretty much their entire line. They all play really well and are solid quality.

Radical AC, yeah those are the ones. The white one at the top is the Brian Jones model and I guess they've put out a few more. "Limited edition replicas" aren't exactly what I'm looking for.

I'll buy vintage for my VOX needs. I was just curious what I can do with that Squier.
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Post by: valley_parade on 05 Apr 2009, 06:35
VOX doesn't make guitars at all anymore. I think they've reissued the Brian Jones model specifically but I'm not too interested, particularly because Phantom Guitar Works (http://www.phantomguitars.com/) makes great re-issues at a better price.

If I'm gonna get a real VOX Teardrop I'll get a vintage one.

I didn't mean ideas on the value of the guitar. I meant ideas on what I can do with it and whether or not it's worth giving lessons for at all when I can be earning money instead from other people.

Vox actually have two semi-hollow models out now. They're both like $2500, though.
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Post by: Hat on 05 Apr 2009, 06:54
Ibanezes are neat.

Ibanii?
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Post by: valley_parade on 05 Apr 2009, 07:12
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Limited-Run-Eye-Electric-Guitar?sku=527775

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/8/4/3/590843.jpg)

Gibson: Never failing to make me go "buh...what? Why the hell?!"
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Post by: Spluff on 05 Apr 2009, 07:55
It looks like the bastard child of an Eastwood and an Ibanez. That said, it's kinda cool.
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Post by: valley_parade on 05 Apr 2009, 08:09
Haha, I was thinking more BC Rich meets Hagstrom.
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Post by: Lummer on 05 Apr 2009, 08:19
My god, that thing is hideous, and not in a good way :(
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Post by: Patrick on 05 Apr 2009, 11:24
If not for the color of the pickups, the lack of inlays (as Shane pointed out to me on AIM) and the godawful pickguard, I'd really actually love to have one.

I mean, put a white SG-esque pickguard on there (the big kind, not the '61-'63 kind) and some nickel pickup covers and you are pretty much set. I mean really, is it that far from being a Wilshire? If you did what I described, Jack White would probably cream himself.
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Post by: Ballard on 05 Apr 2009, 11:28
Vox actually have two semi-hollow models out now. They're both like $2500, though.

Yeah I saw. They're butt ugly.
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Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 05 Apr 2009, 14:44
It's a deformed SG, so what? Gibson just ran out of ideas.
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Post by: Ballard on 05 Apr 2009, 19:05
Better they run out of ideas and put out an ok looking guitar (for some strange reason I dig the red pick-up covers) than run out of ideas and just jack the prices up on all their American-made shit again.
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Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 06 Apr 2009, 04:14
It's also better than their holy (holey?) line. those things are only 70% the original guitar, yet they go for 300 dollars more than the standard explorer.
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Post by: Ballard on 06 Apr 2009, 08:07
Re: Gibson's new ideas, I have to admit, I kind of dig the SG Diablo (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-SG-Diablo-Electric-Guitar-Red-Metallic?sku=516436).
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Post by: Headwoünd on 06 Apr 2009, 08:55
"3-D top"? The nerve of some marketing people... -.-

But it looks really nice. I'd swap the gold hardware with black though.
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Post by: A Wet Helmet on 07 Apr 2009, 18:21
Decisions, decisions...

Alright, my first guitar was an 86 or 87 red-and-white hard tail strat.  I played it for awhile, and sometime in 88 or 89 I traded it in for an SG, which I pawned in 91 for tattoo and booze money.   

Anyway... those two guitars are my "Damn, I wish I still had that guitar" guitars, and my local shop has a beat-to-hell 84 red and white hard tail strat for sale.  I know the mid-eightes are hardly desirable collector years for Fenders, but something about that well played strat makes me wish I still had my first one.   Given that I already own a few strats, that I rarely play them, and that it is a CBS-era Fender, I can't decide if I want to go plunk the money down on it or not (especially since I don't much care for the neck profile)   But something about it is calling me...

*shrug*  Maybe I'll have another strat tomorrow.   

If you had a fat grip of cash right now, would you buy an old-but-not-vintage strat?   Just curious.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 07 Apr 2009, 18:41
Depends on the cost.  I put a stupid amount of money into repairs on my Danelectro reissue because it has sentimental value.  I think I payed $180 for the guitar, and I've put almost that amount into it for repairs, etc.  If the sentiment is more important than the cash, go for it.
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Post by: valley_parade on 08 Apr 2009, 05:16
Guys my LP Special clone gets here sometime late this week! I am excited.
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Post by: jeph on 08 Apr 2009, 12:02
Oh my goodness you guys MY CRESTON TELE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION:

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/random/tele-1.jpg[/img]

(the neck rout is big enough for a P-90 but we're putting a mini-humbucker in there, it will all be under a pickguard so it don't matter none)
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Post by: valley_parade on 08 Apr 2009, 12:05
Nice grain on that one, Jeph. What are you doing for a finish?
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Post by: jeph on 08 Apr 2009, 12:06
Just-barely-transparent butterscotch with a black pickguard. Traditional all the way.
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Post by: Bearer on 08 Apr 2009, 14:01
That's the only proper way to to do it, of course.
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Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 08 Apr 2009, 14:12
Tell me what a good first electric guitar is. I don't own one and I think I might like too. I can sorta play an acoustic and have played around on a few electric guitars (don't remember what kind) of friends and such but I would mostly be teaching myself all but the most rudimentary basics on this thing. That being said, I don't really plan to rock out a whole lot. Most of the music stuff I've been involved with has been noisy, drone-y, ambient kind stuff and I'd like that to continue. For example, I played around with a guitar and a Boss RC-20XL Looping pedal doing stuff and had lots of fun with it. So, your mission: tell me where to start. I can't spend much money but a somewhat decent guitar and a cheap but effective amp is what I need. Help, oh might QC Guitar thread magi!
Also, I liked the Boss pedal. Is it a smart buy, though? I guess I should be asking the guitar pedal thread but since it's related to my question, what are one or two good, not very expensive pedals for effects and such if my aim is to make drone-y sounding things?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 08 Apr 2009, 14:16
If you're just making droney stuff then maybe a really nasty, cheap guitar is what you want so you can then downtune it without fear of breaking stuff.

Otherwise, the Yamaha Pacifica is a very nice starter guitar. The Squier Hello Kitty one is also meant to be quite good, and you look cool as fuck while playing it.
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Post by: Patrick on 08 Apr 2009, 14:46
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2905/147/95/760838031/n760838031_2377272_3576968.jpg)

My beloved Prudence and I went live on national TV tonight.

Jeph, holy shit, that Tele is going to be beautiful when it arrives. I am SO JEALOUS. I am assuming you're putting a dog-ear P-90 in the bridge? Please say yes to this.
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Post by: jeph on 08 Apr 2009, 15:08
Nope, full size humbucker. I need that sound. NEED IT
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Post by: Alex C on 08 Apr 2009, 15:13
I am also on the Ibanez-bashing bandwagon. Jeph also clearly has too many guitars.


ITT: I try to convince Jeph to give me his 7-string Prestige and fail.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 08 Apr 2009, 17:15
...dude doesn't like 90% of your guitarsenal have a humbucker in the bridge position?
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Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Apr 2009, 19:08
Pat, what were you doing on television?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: negative creep on 08 Apr 2009, 19:18
Playing guitar, apparently...
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Post by: Ballard on 08 Apr 2009, 19:24
Patrick's a contestant on Albanian Idol.
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Post by: Radical AC on 08 Apr 2009, 19:26
Pat, what were you doing on television?

That is the stock photo they found for reference during the high speed chase.  @^: but yeah that.

I am curious about the new VOX guitars.  The ability to choose if the pickup is a single coil, P90, or humbucker sounds interesting.  Not interesting enough to justify $2500+ when I could buy 3 for that price that have the different pickup combos, but none the less.
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Post by: Patrick on 08 Apr 2009, 21:51
Ignooooring the threadjack.

Are you talking about those weird semi-hollow deals with the 3-coil pickups? I have heard sound samples and the thing sounds fucking INTENSE.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Apr 2009, 14:19
Double-posting just because in order for this godawful monstrosity (http://www.firstact.com/Products/CustomGuitars/Gallery/Nielsen_Rick_customBettie_6pickups.aspx) to get the attention it deserves, it needs to come with a bump and not just an edit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 09 Apr 2009, 14:21
I think Rick Nielsen over the years has the right to play whatever he wants, plus First Act makes some genuinely pretty guitars anyway. (http://www.firstact.com/Products/LimitedEditionGuitars/DeliaLS.aspx)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 09 Apr 2009, 14:22
WHAT

THE

FUCK
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 09 Apr 2009, 15:06
Nope, full size humbucker. I need that sound. NEED IT

Any other special electronics in that thing?  Cause if not, you should seriously consider a 4-way tele switch for both pups in series and a push/pull knob for phase reversal.  Open the thing up!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Apr 2009, 19:15
...dude doesn't like 90% of your guitarsenal have a humbucker in the bridge position?

Actually, 100% of them do. But they're all made of different woods and have different pickups so they sound pretty different to me.

I DO plan to branch out, but this is the first guitar I've ever had custom-built specifically for me. I want it to be able to do everything I need a guitar to do, and for that I need a humbucker in the bridge.

If this guitar turns out as good as I think it will, I might sell off some others and get him to make me a Jazzmaster style guitar with 3 P90s and a 5-way switch.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Apr 2009, 19:19
Nope, full size humbucker. I need that sound. NEED IT

Any other special electronics in that thing?  Cause if not, you should seriously consider a 4-way tele switch for both pups in series and a push/pull knob for phase reversal.  Open the thing up!

Hah, good luck getting Creston to do anything that fancy! Dude doesn't even like six-saddle bridges. He's kind of cranky about what he will and won't build, which I found great because it means he actually cares about what he's doing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 09 Apr 2009, 21:58
(http://deaf-eddie.net/tdpri-drawings/4-way-phase.jpg) (http://deaf-eddie.net/tdpri-drawings/4-way-phase.jpg)
Also, you have to ground the pickup covers separately from the pickups themselves
 
-500K Push/Pull knob (http://www.acmeguitarworks.com/Pot_500K_Push_Pull_Import__P1663C15.cfm)
-4-way switch (http://www.acmeguitarworks.com/4-Way_Switch_Oak_Grigsby__P60C10.cfm)

For $25, I'm just saying.  Soldering aint all that hard.  Of course don't do it to the nice new custom job.  Get one of those axes you're planing on selling and do this to it first.
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Post by: valley_parade on 10 Apr 2009, 04:52
Look what came in the mail!

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/captain_applesauce/0409091732.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Apr 2009, 06:33
I thought I felt a light drizzle coming from the Northwest this morning.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Apr 2009, 07:01
That wasn't rain, Gene.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 10 Apr 2009, 07:12
Ah, I was wondering why you had a box of tissues placed so close to the guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Apr 2009, 07:13
See also: the Ray Bourque Memorial Trashcan.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cadeonehalf on 10 Apr 2009, 11:27
*Crazy Guitar*

I think there's a point where the amount of time you would spend onstage fiddling with the controls for that motherfucker outweigh the time you could shred on it  before you need a new sound and have to CHANGE IT AGAIN.

They're doing it WRONG
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Apr 2009, 11:36
The real problem with that Cheap Trick guitar is the control PLACEMENT. I would constantly be hitting those on/off switches with my wrist.
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Post by: Tehz on 10 Apr 2009, 11:37
*Crazy Guitar*

I think there's a point where the amount of time you would spend onstage fiddling with the controls for that motherfucker outweigh the time you could shred on it  before you need a new sound and have to CHANGE IT AGAIN.

They're doing it WRONG

If this was the Offset Guitar forum, you'd be getting raped from six different angles right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Apr 2009, 12:46
That is because those guys are used to playing Jaguars

I love mine dearly but GOD WHAT A PAIN IN THE ASS IT IS TO SWITCH SHIT oh my god Leo you had it right with the 3-way toggle erjhgeisrnj
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 10 Apr 2009, 13:44
I'm not necessarily saying that I agree with them, but they seem to take most negative comments regarding their offsets very personally.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 10 Apr 2009, 19:07
dude wombat just get a jazzmaster. (actual advice - stick with single coils dude)

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Post by: greenMonkey on 10 Apr 2009, 20:28
My friend just had his Jazzmaster pickups replaced with Lollar P90's which are made to fit the Jazzmaster pickup size.  It has completely changed the tone of the guitar, made it creamier, smoother, bluesier, and it also screams with the gain cranked.  I kind if want to steal it from him.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Apr 2009, 06:20
The real problem with that Cheap Trick guitar is the control PLACEMENT. I would constantly be hitting those on/off switches with my wrist.

I have that problem with my Tele Custom. Always hitting the pickup selector.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 11 Apr 2009, 08:03
Dogg what the pickup selector on a Tele Custom is in the same spot as on a Les Paul. How do you accidentally hit that?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Apr 2009, 08:07
I wear my guitar low and usually pick near the neck pickup?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 11 Apr 2009, 08:55
...dude doesn't like 90% of your guitarsenal have a humbucker in the bridge position?

I've yet to hear a good reason for having a single coil in the bridge position? "Hey, I want a horribly bright and quacky sound" ?

Single coils are only ever good on the neck position, although I'd prefer a humbucker there, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 11 Apr 2009, 10:23
...dude doesn't like 90% of your guitarsenal have a humbucker in the bridge position?

I've yet to hear a good reason for having a single coil in the bridge position? "Hey, I want a horribly bright and quacky sound" ?

Single coils are only ever good on the neck position, although I'd prefer a humbucker there, too.
Single coil in the bridge should be a modifier pickup, used in conjunction with, say, another single coil in the neck (see telecaster) or a humbucker in the neck (see awesome telecaster).
Humbucker + Single coil = very yes!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Catacombs on 11 Apr 2009, 12:42
Hey guys, I haven't posted in this thread in ages, mostly because I kind of stopped playing guitar.  So, I have a question: where can I go and sell some of my gear?  Since I don't really play much any more, I was thinking of getting rid of all of my electric gear (Strat, little amp, a couple pedals) and just stick with my acoustic (since that's what I play when I do play anyway).  Off the top of my head, I'd say eBay for the small stuff, but what about everything else, the guitar particularly?  I was thinking maybe Craigslist.  I'm sure I could go to a pawnshop or Guitar Center, but I dunno how much they'd give me.  I'm not looking to make a profit off anything, I just want to get close to what I paid for them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Apr 2009, 12:53
I've yet to hear a good reason for having a single coil in the bridge position? "Hey, I want a horribly bright and quacky sound" ?

Single coils are only ever good on the neck position, although I'd prefer a humbucker there, too.

You must not be into country. Or early rock and roll. Or Pavement. Or ANY of the music on Led Zeppelin's first album. Or anything by the Beatles past Revolver.

How much are you asking for the Strat? After I get my hollowbody this summer, I may be interested.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Catacombs on 11 Apr 2009, 13:14
It's a (I believe 2004) Mexican made Fender Strat.  In damn good condition, $200.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 11 Apr 2009, 14:02
My friend just had his Jazzmaster pickups replaced with Lollar P90's which are made to fit the Jazzmaster pickup size.  It has completely changed the tone of the guitar, made it creamier, smoother, bluesier, and it also screams with the gain cranked.  I kind if want to steal it from him.

My Creston is gonna have Lollars :3
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: boneykingofnowhere on 11 Apr 2009, 15:49
I've got a gold Lace single-coil in the bridge of my Tele, and I absolutely love the sound i get out of it. I play a lot of pavement, Smiths, and Built To Spill type stuff so I <3 the janglyness.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Apr 2009, 16:54
It's a (I believe 2004) Mexican made Fender Strat.  In damn good condition, $200.

What's the color and what kind of wood is the fretboard made out of? Answer these questions and I may ask you to hold on to this beastie for a little bit.
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Post by: Catacombs on 11 Apr 2009, 17:57
It's a (I believe 2004) Mexican made Fender Strat.  In damn good condition, $200.

What's the color and what kind of wood is the fretboard made out of? Answer these questions and I may ask you to hold on to this beastie for a little bit.

The body is navy blue with a white pick guard, the fret board is made out of rosewood.
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Post by: Caspian on 11 Apr 2009, 17:57
You must not be into country. Or early rock and roll. Or Pavement. Or ANY of the music on Led Zeppelin's first album. Or anything by the Beatles past Revolver.

Well, obviously. I'm a man of taste, y'know.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Radical AC on 11 Apr 2009, 18:32
Congratulations Caspian on joining Every Time I Die?

I would totally love a Fender Hot Rod Tele, or better yet (now cheaper too)  a G&L ASAT Semi-hollow Bluesboy.  Neck humbucker, bridge single coil, and it sounds incredible.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 11 Apr 2009, 19:35
I've said it before, but that G&L is pretty much my ultimate guitar.  I played one and nearly died.  The versatility is amazing, and no matter what pickup configuration you choose it sounds heavenly.  I would buy one and put a Bigsby on it but I have no money, and won't be getting the ridiculous amount needed for such a purchase in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Apr 2009, 19:52
Congratulations Caspian on joining Every Time I Die?

He'll probably meet Dave Grohl.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MakuseruSukotto on 11 Apr 2009, 22:44

I am curious about the new VOX guitars.  The ability to choose if the pickup is a single coil, P90, or humbucker sounds interesting.  Not interesting enough to justify $2500+ when I could buy 3 for that price that have the different pickup combos, but none the less.
So they're just like the SD P-rails?
(http://www.seymourduncan.com/images/products/electric/humbuckers/p_rails.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 11 Apr 2009, 23:58
of bad taste?

Pavement: shit.
Beatles: very influential blah blah blah, shit.
Old rock 'n' roll: thoroughly boring; shit.
99% of country: shit. (I do like some Cash, but so does everybody).

I'm definitely a man of good taste ^___^
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cadeonehalf on 12 Apr 2009, 00:07
I'd agree if it weren't for the fact that the example of that noodly bridge sound was LATE Beatles, not early Beatles.
The Beatles from Rubber Soul on were anything BUT shit.

And Willie Nelson could out-country Johnny Cash any day of the week.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 12 Apr 2009, 00:10
I'd agree if it weren't for the fact that the example of that noodly bridge sound was LATE Beatles, not early Beatles.
The Beatles from Rubber Soul on were anything BUT shit.

And Willie Nelson could out-country Johnny Cash any day of the week.

Country isn't really inherently bad, but it goes against my criteria for good music: big riffs and/or epic atmosphere.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 12 Apr 2009, 09:22
DADABE tuning + strat + loose playing style = instant pavement!

Seriously, everyone should try this. You can just play power chords and pick random notes
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cadeonehalf on 12 Apr 2009, 10:32
I'd agree if it weren't for the fact that the example of that noodly bridge sound was LATE Beatles, not early Beatles.
The Beatles from Rubber Soul on were anything BUT shit.

And Willie Nelson could out-country Johnny Cash any day of the week.

Country isn't really inherently bad, but it goes against my criteria for good music: big riffs and/or epic atmosphere.

So songs like say, While My Guitar Gently Weeps don't have big riffs or epic atmosphere?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Apr 2009, 11:13
"Helter Skelter" anybody?

See also: Built To Spill, Modest Mouse, the goddamn Rolling Stones? I don't even LIKE most of the Rolling Stones' stuff but man, if you want riffs, there's your fucking riffs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Apr 2009, 11:47
DADABE tuning + strat + loose playing style = instant pavement!

Seriously, everyone should try this. You can just play power chords and pick random notes

Really?  I thought it was some kind of C tuning.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 12 Apr 2009, 12:36
I went ahead with the DADABE tuning and just jammed on my Jazzmaster for twenty minutes, and I came up with like three new song ideas.

Whether or not they sound like Pavement is up for debate, but the experiment was definitely worth it, at least for me. Keep in mind, aside from playing Sonic Youth songs, I rarely venture out of standard EADGBE territory.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 12 Apr 2009, 13:43
DADABE tuning + strat + loose playing style = instant pavement!

Seriously, everyone should try this. You can just play power chords and pick random notes

Really?  I thought it was some kind of C tuning.

They use that DADABE one plus a C one. See http://masseyentertainment.com/pavetabs/ for some tabs in the proper tunings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 12 Apr 2009, 13:50
For my alternate tuning needs I just tune the first, third and fifth strings down a step so it becomes DACGAE.

(hee hee gae)

Alternate tunings are delicious!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Cernunnos on 12 Apr 2009, 14:38
 So does bruce nauman, probably. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teKo6HkyoqY)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 12 Apr 2009, 17:20
That's probably one of the best things that someone who's having trouble coming up with new riffs can do; just tune the guitar into something really weird and just jam for a while.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MakuseruSukotto on 12 Apr 2009, 19:53
Ugggggggghhhhh,

Need another Jazzmaster.


Someone trade me one for a Gretsch and some pedals and some cash.  :wink:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Apr 2009, 02:49
Guys I don't know why but the Kosovar kids seem to think that certain guitars are "only good for clean" or "only good for distortion" and man I really want to hit my friend Arti upside the head with a Telecaster right now.

Even if you have 50 Jazzmasters you always need another Jazzmaster. After I get the hollowbody I am getting (I can't wait until I finally have the money for this fuckerrrrrr, thank god the dude is really chill about this stuff), I will try to get hold of an AVRI Jazzy in sunburst. Because there is nothing sexier.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 13 Apr 2009, 02:57
Is this (http://www.scayles.co.uk/products/electricguitars/electricguitarsfenderjaguarspecial.html) a good deal? I'm going there on Thursday so hopefully I'll be able to try it out. It's very tempting, I might sell my strat (which hopefully has increased in price since I bought it)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 13 Apr 2009, 08:41
So, I just got what I consider to be the ultimate sleeper guitar - an Ibanez Talman tc 825.  It has a silver sparkle paint job, white pearloid guard with matching pearloid truss rod cover and pearloid tuning keys on 3x3 headstock, dual (hot as fuck) humbuckers, graphite nut, factory installed bigsby, and a rosewood fretboard on a satin finish figured maple neck.  It plays like my tele, but sounds like my tele on 'roids. I am in love...

This doesn't quite do it justice, but here's an old catalog pic- http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/us/1998/98028.jpg

The crazy thing is the poly coat on mine is now 12 years old and has decided to yellow, which gives the guitar a real fender shoreline gold look. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MakuseruSukotto on 13 Apr 2009, 09:14
So, I just got what I consider to be the ultimate sleeper guitar - an Ibanez Talman tc 825.  It has a silver sparkle paint job, white pearloid guard with matching pearloid truss rod cover and pearloid tuning keys on 3x3 headstock, dual (hot as fuck) humbuckers, graphite nut, factory installed bigsby, and a rosewood fretboard on a satin finish figured maple neck.  It plays like my tele, but sounds like my tele on 'roids. I am in love...

This doesn't quite do it justice, but here's an old catalog pic- http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/us/1998/98028.jpg

The crazy thing is the poly coat on mine is now 12 years old and has decided to yellow, which gives the guitar a real fender shoreline gold look. 

I like it better with the lipstick pickips, ala Michael James.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Apr 2009, 10:39
So, I just got what I consider to be the ultimate sleeper guitar - an Ibanez Talman tc 825.  It has a silver sparkle paint job, white pearloid guard with matching pearloid truss rod cover and pearloid tuning keys on 3x3 headstock, dual (hot as fuck) humbuckers, graphite nut, factory installed bigsby, and a rosewood fretboard on a satin finish figured maple neck.  It plays like my tele, but sounds like my tele on 'roids. I am in love...

This doesn't quite do it justice, but here's an old catalog pic- http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/us/1998/98028.jpg

The crazy thing is the poly coat on mine is now 12 years old and has decided to yellow, which gives the guitar a real fender shoreline gold look. 

Remember how I hate like all Ibanezes except Jet Kings? Talmans are another exception. Nice pickup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 13 Apr 2009, 10:53
Thanks.  I traded an Epi Firebird for it.  The guy who traded it to me was really into pointy guitars and Gibsons and said the Talman just didn't fit him, but it was so unqiue and sounded and played so well he had to buy it.   I wasn't sure at first until I saw it in person and played it.  After that, I was hooked. 

The guy who owned it was really cool; he didn't really care for the Epi, but he saw how much I liked the Talman, so he decided to trade me anyway thinking he could sell the Firebird quicker than the Talman.  He asked to play the Talman one more time before I left and actually got misty when I put it in the case to leave.  Happy ending to the story, though; he traded an American Strat and the Firebird for a really nice Les Paul classic. 
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Post by: valley_parade on 13 Apr 2009, 11:05
Haha, I traded my Epi Firebird recently, too. Got that LP Junior clone I posted a page or two back for it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 13 Apr 2009, 11:11
What's the brand on the Junior?  It looks like an old Ventura.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Apr 2009, 11:16
Diamond. Supposedly it's out of the Matsumoko factory, which I guess was know for making really good shit? Who knows, I really dig it nonetheless. It's that sort of guitar that you just pick up and rock.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 13 Apr 2009, 12:26
Make no mistake- Matsumoku made great guitars.  I have an '82 Aria Pro II Thor Sound out of their that is an amzing guitar.  I also used to have a j-bass that made me sell my G&L L2000 because I'd stopped playing it.  If I'm not mistaken, Diamond was a brand of the Arai guitar company that also made Aria guitars. Definitely nice score if its from uncle Matty.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 13 Apr 2009, 12:51
I get a real nice split-coil (not quite single) tone out of the Nitefly bridge(DiMarzio tapped)when I use it. And it makes awesome use of the mod efx in that mode. It's like all the hummm is converted to yummmm.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 13 Apr 2009, 20:45
I got my Peavey Vandenberg today. I'd looked for a while at one of these, since they only come up for sale about once every two months, and I've heard nothing but great things about them. It's awesome. American made, AWESOME ebony neck, and sweet stock pickups. Pretty awesome, especially for the price. I HIGHLY recommend one.

(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/951/dscf0378m.th.jpg) (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0378m.jpg)

here's links to some more pictures. (I didn't want to clog up the board)

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6084/dscf0381m.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7879/dscf0382uef.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7895/dscf0379a.jpg
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Invammocon on 14 Apr 2009, 03:10
Are Teisco guitars good? I don't know anything about guitar as far as technical things go. All I know is that my friends dad got it in like 1969 and it sat in the closet for like 30 years or something, it's in pretty nice condition considering I got it free, from what I could look up on it, it's called a "Tulip".
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Apr 2009, 04:59
I say yes, but I'm a fan of weird, cheap, old shit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 14 Apr 2009, 09:22
You got a Tulip for free?

They're not like, the best guitars in the world--not even by a long shot, really--but that's still pretty awesome that you got one for free.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 14 Apr 2009, 09:23
From what I have seen, Teisco makes some interesting guitars at least.

You guys have any experience with the Ampeg Super Stud guitar? There's one on craigslist here for $450 and I want so badly to buy it because I'm totally in love with no-name or unknown guitars that look awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 14 Apr 2009, 13:58
Our retard ex-drummer was throwing his and his brothers' silvertones in the dumpster when some lady stopped him and asked if she could use them for some kids' home. When he told me I wanted to punch him in the junk.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 14 Apr 2009, 14:17
Ugh, stories like that infuriate me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 14 Apr 2009, 16:13
I literally stared at him with my mouth open.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Apr 2009, 17:08
Why didn't you STAB HIM dude, people like that should not exist
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Apr 2009, 21:27
You should have stabbed him in the junk.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 14 Apr 2009, 21:54
With your junk.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 15 Apr 2009, 04:10
Woah this thread took a really interesting turn
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Apr 2009, 06:13
Guys

GUYS (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Blackstar-HT-Series-HT5C-5W-1x10-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=483559)

I may just sell my Marshall to finance this little sucker (I was planning on financing a Blues DeVille with it, but man, I think I will just save up for the DeVille and live without the extra $400). UNFFFFFFFF tiny all-valve amp with 2 footswitchable channels an effects loop! It's perfect for recording because I still get to dick with all the effects I want to dick with.

8===========D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 15 Apr 2009, 06:19
what amp do you have just now?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 15 Apr 2009, 07:06
You should have stabbed him in the junk.
Well we just kicked him out of the band. His decision re: the Silvertones was not the reason but a symptom of his overall suckiness which in fact WAS the reason. Of course being kicked out of my band might be considered doing him a favor?  :-o
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 15 Apr 2009, 10:05
^Were they original "Dano" Silvertones, or were they they new Samick copies? If they were the Samicks that's SLIGHTLY more forgivable, although equally as stupid.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 15 Apr 2009, 10:58
Likely late 60's or early 70s. I know they were their first guitars and he's got a few yrs on me. At least they didn't get dumpstered. Some crackhead might drop them at a pawn shop.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 15 Apr 2009, 14:16
^that's awful. Although, it's people like that that keep me checking out pawn shops. I found a 83 Kramer Pacer that probably ended up there about the same way.

On a completely different note, after fiddling around with that Vandenberg for a few days, I can fully say I'm in love with it, although it does have a few quirks. There are two volume knobs, but no tone, and the front volume operates the bridge. Kinda makes sense, though, when you think about it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Apr 2009, 16:49
what amp do you have just now?

MG100DFX. The original one, not the newer one. I don't hate it or anything, but I just can't get quite the adjustability out of it that I know I can get out of that Fender (I've used the sucker before).

Also guys, I know most of you in this thread know how much Sonic Youth's treatment of instruments pisses me off, but this story is definitely heartwarming (http://www.offsetguitars.com/forums/index.php/topic,22446.0.html) regardless.

This story isn't even over, he's only just attempted to contact the band within the last 10 hours or so (I didn't check the timestamp but that's the last time I was on OSG and the thread wasn't there at that point), so I'm really excited to see what happens.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 15 Apr 2009, 18:01
I was gonna come in here and bring that up.

Such a cool story, I can't wait to see how everything turns out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 15 Apr 2009, 18:47
MG100DFX. The original one, not the newer one. I don't hate it or anything, but I just can't get quite the adjustability out of it that I know I can get out of that Fender (I've used the sucker before).[/quote]

Have you ever tried one of the Carvin tube combos? I've got an older one and the clean's amazing. Literally will play at 100W without distorting at all, if you want it. As good as any fender I've ever played. Plus you can choose on the back between 25, 50, and 100 watts. I'm not sure if their newer combos have them, but alot of the older ones had a built in five band eq you could assign to the different channels to get whatever overdrive type you want. Crazy versatile, since you could get the sound of a 100 watt combo cranked at 50W volume. Oh, and they're really cheap too, plus you can order them in whatever color tolex/tweed/faux leather you want for, something like, $20 extra.

They're not exactly easy to adjust to what you want, since there's so much there to mess with, but you can essentially get a Fender clean on one channel, and a Marshall overdrive on the other at the same time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 16 Apr 2009, 09:32
W :mrgreen:W re: Sonic Youth guitars. That was YEARS ago when they were stolen.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Apr 2009, 10:34
I forgot Fender ever made those funky Telecaster Basses in the 70s. Squier's got a reissue, and I want one so bad, right now.

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/0/9/4/496094.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: NotAFanOfFenders on 16 Apr 2009, 11:01
I've wanted a singlecut tele bass ever since i first saw the one in this thread.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 16 Apr 2009, 12:22
So guys, I think I'm gonna try to build a Partsmaster once I have some more scratch on hand. I've done the math and it wouldn't be too expensive (not much more than a thousand at most) and I'd be able to get it exactly how I want it. I'm thinking a Sonic Blue/Surf Green Warmoth Jazzmaster body, standard Warmoth Strat neck, Jazzmaster tremolo, brown tort pickguard, Mastery Bridge, mini-humbucker in the neck and a P90 in the bridge. I could imagine it being somewhat more than a regular Jazzy with such pickups, as well as there just being some interesting tonal possibilities in general.  I also think I would skip on the rhythm circuit for two reasons: first, it would probably be easier to wire that way, and second, I hardly ever even use the rhythm circuit on my Jazzmaster as it is, so it would be kind of pointless.

Somewhat ambitious, sure, but I feel like it's more than possible.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 16 Apr 2009, 12:25
Have you ever tried one of the Carvin tube combos? I've got an older one and the clean's amazing. Literally will play at 100W without distorting at all, if you want it. As good as any fender I've ever played. Plus you can choose on the back between 25, 50, and 100 watts. (more stuff)

They're not exactly easy to adjust to what you want, since there's so much there to mess with, but you can essentially get a Fender clean on one channel, and a Marshall overdrive on the other at the same time.

Haven't even heard of it. The reason I want the Fender isn't just the clean channel, I love the distortion channel as well. I'm not a fan of super-saturated distortion, so I wouldn't really need something like what I think you're describing (and I've got my Tonebone for that anyway). When I go into a heavier distortion, I look for a sound like in "Helter Skelter" by the Beatles. Not too heavy, but it gets the job done.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 16 Apr 2009, 13:56
I forgot Fender ever made those funky Telecaster Basses in the 70s. Squier's got a reissue, and I want one so bad, right now.

(http://*.jpg)
Cris Kirkwood from Meat Puppets played one when I saw them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Radical AC on 16 Apr 2009, 14:35
One of my friends plays on a Jag Bass and I love that thing so much I want to take up bass... or rather I just want to buy a Jag guitar.  I have a hard time actually deciding to save up for that or a tele though.  My Rickenbacker makes all the sound I've ever wanted from a standard setup Jag or Tele and better, but it would still be nice to have.  I've been considering getting a Les Paul Studio for a HH guitar, but between that and the Rick my arms would fall off after a show.  Anymore I'd rather just stand up there with my Dano, jumping around and wailing on it with all the extra energy I have.  Damn that thing is light.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 17 Apr 2009, 00:16

[/quote]
Haven't even heard of it. The reason I want the Fender isn't just the clean channel, I love the distortion channel as well. I'm not a fan of super-saturated distortion, so I wouldn't really need something like what I think you're describing (and I've got my Tonebone for that anyway). When I go into a heavier distortion, I look for a sound like in "Helter Skelter" by the Beatles. Not too heavy, but it gets the job done.
[/quote]

Yeah, I understand that completely. They can approximate all kinds of sounds, but if you know what you want, why settle for the "store brand?"

Most of the reason why people haven't heard of them, or tried them, is because they sell direct, so NO music store will carry them. Our local music store won't even buy them used. They get great reviews though, and they've been around forever, so I have no reason to doubt them. But, I bought mine from a pawn shop, so I had the advantage of "try before you buy."
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 17 Apr 2009, 03:13
I've wanted a singlecut tele bass ever since i first saw the one in this thread.

whaaaaat


I love singlecut basses so hard
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 17 Apr 2009, 05:14
what amp do you have just now?

MG100DFX.

Cool, I have the MG50DFX, the old one as well. I know what you mean, it's hard to get different sounds out of it. I was actually thinking of selling mine and getting a valve amp but after trying some out in shops yesterday I think I'm just going to stick with it. At least with a solid-state one I can play at bedroom levels and still get the same sound.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Avec on 19 Apr 2009, 12:08
So boys and girls, I'm looking to get a new set today for a reasonable price. I currently have an acoustic washburn and I was curious of what brands you guys adore. I had 10' elixirs for about four months the only problem I had with them was how long it takes to wear them in; any thoughts?

Oh here's a picture of my guitar, if that helps.

(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5295/washburn.jpg) (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=washburn.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Apr 2009, 10:24
http://burlington.craigslist.org/msg/1128629364.html

Ampeg bass head, $220.

I want it so hard, even though I don't have a bass yet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 20 Apr 2009, 14:21
JESUS FUCK

can that guy ship? shit i will pay like the 100 dollars for shipping for that thing because fuck that means 300 bucks for an ampeg bass head OH SHIT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 20 Apr 2009, 16:48
Keep in mind it's solid-state and only a few hundred more new.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 20 Apr 2009, 17:28
oh shit you guys oh shit IT HAS PAINT ON IT NOW

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/random/crestonfinish.jpg[/img]
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 20 Apr 2009, 18:17
Keep in mind it's solid-state and only a few hundred more new.

hey man i can't afford tube right now, as much as i'd love it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 20 Apr 2009, 19:00
oh shit you guys oh shit IT HAS PAINT ON IT NOW

Jeph, if you don't make some kind of audio demo of this thing when it's done there will be multiple levels of hell to pay.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Apr 2009, 21:51
Keep in mind it's solid-state and only a few hundred more new.

I've never really noticed the difference with bass guitars.  A majority of the bass amps I've seen are solid state.

Also: I want to trade my Strat and some monies for this:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/4/7/3/492473.jpg)

A better Squire.  Until I someday have enough money for a real Fender or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 21 Apr 2009, 23:21
Hey, quick question, has anyone on here played an epiphone coronet? I've been toying around the idea of building a set-neck one with the bat wing headstock and single hum bucker, like the one Paul Gilbert used to use. I may not make it in as wild a color as he used. I'm just kinda intrigued by it, but don't wanna shell out $3000 for an original, or buy a cheap Korean one with a bolt on neck and the wrong tone woods.

EDIT: So I bought this AXYS slide and it came in the mail today. It's open on one side and has inserts sized to your fingers, so you can turn the slide and still use your finger for regular fretting. Anyone who wants to play slide and not lose the use of their finger should at least look at it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 22 Apr 2009, 13:47
Keep in mind it's solid-state and only a few hundred more new.

I've never really noticed the difference with bass guitars.  A majority of the bass amps I've seen are solid state.

I think that it's less an issue with bass than it is with guitar.  With guitar the differences are usually very noticeable, and pretty much any guitar will sound better through tubes (there are obviously exceptions).  With bass though, I think it's more of a preference thing.  My bass player has used both, everything from a '69 Bassman stack to what he has now, a little (but extremely powerful) Markbass 1x12 combo.  While you probably won't be able to replicate the rumble of an old tubed SVT stack with a solid state, you'll most likely be able to get smoother, tighter tone (again, it's all dependent on what amp you're using).  It just depends on what you want.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 22 Apr 2009, 23:41
Keep in mind it's solid-state and only a few hundred more new.

I've never really noticed the difference with bass guitars.  A majority of the bass amps I've seen are solid state.

I think that it's less an issue with bass than it is with guitar.  With guitar the differences are usually very noticeable, and pretty much any guitar will sound better through tubes (there are obviously exceptions).  With bass though, I think it's more of a preference thing.  My bass player has used both, everything from a '69 Bassman stack to what he has now, a little (but extremely powerful) Markbass 1x12 combo.  While you probably won't be able to replicate the rumble of an old tubed SVT stack with a solid state, you'll most likely be able to get smoother, tighter tone (again, it's all dependent on what amp you're using).  It just depends on what you want.

I'd always heard alot of the major benefit of tube amps was that over driven tones were warmer and fuller sounding, due to the tubes warming up. Since I'm guessing that distortion isn't the primary concern of most bass players, that could be one reason why I see so many more solid state bass amps. If you don't NEED tubes, then there's alot of good reasons to use solid state, particularly maintenance and durability.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 23 Apr 2009, 07:22
Hey, quick question, has anyone on here played an epiphone coronet? I've been toying around the idea of building a set-neck one with the bat wing headstock and single hum bucker, like the one Paul Gilbert used to use. I may not make it in as wild a color as he used. I'm just kinda intrigued by it, but don't wanna shell out $3000 for an original, or buy a cheap Korean one with a bolt on neck and the wrong tone woods.

EDIT: So I bought this AXYS slide and it came in the mail today. It's open on one side and has inserts sized to your fingers, so you can turn the slide and still use your finger for regular fretting. Anyone who wants to play slide and not lose the use of their finger should at least look at it.

Played? No. But I've seen a vintage one up close, and they're beautiful. If you build one, DEFINITELY go with the batwing headstock. Epi really needs to find more uses for that design, it's outstanding.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/captain_applesauce/1019081708.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 23 Apr 2009, 08:14
over driven tones

warmer and fuller sounding

isn't the primary concern of most bass players

Fuck all of these people.

Addendum: Listen to Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and DFA 1979.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 23 Apr 2009, 09:48
over driven tones

warmer and fuller sounding

isn't the primary concern of most bass players

Fuck all of these people.

Addendum: Listen to Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and DFA 1979.

Sorry if I offended you, I don't play bass and I was just going from what I heard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 23 Apr 2009, 09:53
Hey, quick question, has anyone on here played an epiphone coronet? I've been toying around the idea of building a set-neck one with the bat wing headstock and single hum bucker, like the one Paul Gilbert used to use. I may not make it in as wild a color as he used. I'm just kinda intrigued by it, but don't wanna shell out $3000 for an original, or buy a cheap Korean one with a bolt on neck and the wrong tone woods.

EDIT: So I bought this AXYS slide and it came in the mail today. It's open on one side and has inserts sized to your fingers, so you can turn the slide and still use your finger for regular fretting. Anyone who wants to play slide and not lose the use of their finger should at least look at it.

Played? No. But I've seen a vintage one up close, and they're beautiful. If you build one, DEFINITELY go with the batwing headstock. Epi really needs to find more uses for that design, it's outstanding.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/captain_applesauce/1019081708.jpg)

Yeah, I always thought they were a cool alternative to the sg, in size, material, etc... I think the one's that Gilbert played were made for him by Ibanez, though. He had alot of really weird, funky, designs before settling on the rg shape, like every other endorsee they have. Have you ever seen the 36 fret Danelectro he played? But yes, I'll definitely use the batwing headstock, that's the best part. I kinda considered using it as the first set-neck design I'd make, just because it seems easier than something like a Les Paul.

Edit: I would also totally take that sky blue Kramer, behind the Les Paul. LOVE Kramer guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 23 Apr 2009, 10:46
A guy on OSG has a '63 Airline project for sale for $300. Just needs pickups and a 3-way switch. I'm seeing if he'll put it on hold for me. I really want to get a 5 watt tube amp this summer, but uh..

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b148/stereordinary/Supro%20Airline/IMG_8694.jpg)

I like this even more than the 3 pickup Eastwood version, and they want $700.

ETA: On hold! I'm hoping I'll have it by late June.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 23 Apr 2009, 12:46
Man I honestly don't really like the original Airlines and Maps as much as the Eastwoods. Major cool points though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 23 Apr 2009, 14:21
So I got my Kramer/Fender Strat/Baretta relic back from the shop.

(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4594/dscf0383.th.jpg) (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0383.jpg)

It's a mexi Strat body with an 87 Baretta neck and a Duncan JB in the bridge. The neck is Great. REALLY comfortable. Not too thick, not too thin with really low action. I'm thinking about buying another neck for a body I've got sitting around.

So, any suggestions for a color, if I did the Coronet project? I'd like so do something different than cherry, or cherry burst. I think I might buy an airbrush this weekend, so graphic designs would be open, too, except that the pickguard covers most of the body.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 23 Apr 2009, 14:32
British racing green + chrome hardware = yes
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 23 Apr 2009, 14:36
the colour it already is, since SM has that!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 23 Apr 2009, 14:39
British racing green + chrome hardware = yes

That'd be pretty cool. Plus, with an airbrush, I could put old open wheel racing era numbers and logos on it. Kinda fill out the racing idea.

the colour it already is, since SM has that!
??? Please explain. I'm thinking of making one from scratch, not modifying an existing one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: A Wet Helmet on 24 Apr 2009, 02:30
British racing green + chrome hardware = yes

All the chrome hardware for what is expected to be a British Racing Green Explorer-style body that I'm building now just showed up at the house two days ago.

I feel like all my thunder has been stolen by your post.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BlahBlah on 24 Apr 2009, 05:43
the colour it already is, since SM has that!
??? Please explain. I'm thinking of making one from scratch, not modifying an existing one.

Oops, I didn't read your post properly. I thought you were going to change the colour of the one you just got back.
SM = Stephen Malkmus
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Caspian on 24 Apr 2009, 07:15
over driven tones

warmer and fuller sounding

isn't the primary concern of most bass players

Fuck all of these people.

Addendum: Listen to Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and DFA 1979.

Sorry if I offended you, I don't play bass and I was just going from what I heard.

Regarding amps v solid state issues, I did my honours degree on "blind" listening sessions comparing the two, albeit amp v amp simulation. It should be noted that while the amp won, it wasn't this huge victory that you might've expected.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 24 Apr 2009, 11:18
British racing green + chrome hardware = yes

All the chrome hardware for what is expected to be a British Racing Green Explorer-style body that I'm building now just showed up at the house two days ago.

I feel like all my thunder has been stolen by your post.

give us some pics of this thing and you shall have redemption!

...on a side note, check out what I found over on the TDPRI forums
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb138/jaydawg76/IMG_1120.jpg)
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb138/jaydawg76/IMG_1119.jpg)
based on how the bridge is cut in the back, it can be assumed that a bigsby would be added.  Unfortunately, the body was sold to another builder so there aren't any more pictures of the thing, but just the idea of this guitar existing is enough to make me start drooling.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 24 Apr 2009, 11:32
^you could always order something like that from Warmoth. It wouldn't be cheap, but it'd be great quality.

over driven tones

warmer and fuller sounding

isn't the primary concern of most bass players

Fuck all of these people.

Addendum: Listen to Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and DFA 1979.

Sorry if I offended you, I don't play bass and I was just going from what I heard.

Regarding amps v solid state issues, I did my honours degree on "blind" listening sessions comparing the two, albeit amp v amp simulation. It should be noted that while the amp won, it wasn't this huge victory that you might've expected.

Solid state amps have come a long way. I've got a little VOX 30W combo and my friend has a 30W Crate and they both sound killer. Although, I know mine has a power tube and I'm pretty sure his does too. As far as I knew (and once again, please don't jump down my throat if I'm wrong, I'm not a huge expert on amp tech) the big difference between tube and solid state was that the tube amp will "break up" at lower volume levels than the solid state. I've heard that you can get the same "break up" out of a solid state, it just occurs at much higher levels. That's why, solid state amps overdrive never sounds quite right, because it's not a true "overdrive." At clean volumes, though, it's significantly more difficult to tell the difference. Someone once told me the reason that a tube amp sounds so much better on clean is not the tubes, it's the other stuff they put in the amp (reverb, chorus, etc).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Apr 2009, 12:13
^you could always order something like that from Warmoth. It wouldn't be cheap, but it'd be great quality.

You can order a pre-made, bound Jazzmaster body? I need to see this.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 24 Apr 2009, 12:52
Dude you didn't offend me I was just being humorous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Apr 2009, 15:20
Right, so I know you guys hate Ibanez and whatnot, but nevertheless:

I fucking bought one this past monday, and it's pretty damn good!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: A Wet Helmet on 24 Apr 2009, 16:36
I've never understood the hate-on that people get over Ibanez instruments.   I own a couple and they're all very good instruments for the price I've paid for them.   

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 24 Apr 2009, 19:41
Right, so I know you guys hate Ibanez and whatnot, but nevertheless:

I fucking bought one this past monday, and it's pretty damn good!
I own a 92 rg550 with a maple neck. It's a great guitar. Very high quality and very versatile. The stock Ibanez pickups are fairly neutral, so they work well for nearly any genre of music. I imagine most people's problem is with the locking trem, which does frankly suck on most of their older Korean guitars (TRS, ugh). I like their necks, but always found the Wizard I to be more comfortable than the Wizard II (more rounded back profile).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: zerobar on 24 Apr 2009, 19:50
^you could always order something like that from Warmoth. It wouldn't be cheap, but it'd be great quality.

You can order a pre-made, bound Jazzmaster body? I need to see this.

yep. bindings more money, obviously, but you can do it. you may not be able to get that pickup option, but if you called them, I bet they'd do it special order. You could also get whatever binding color or type of wood you want. Here's a link:

http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Bodies/Vintage/JMaster.aspx

options and prices are on the right.