Topic: WCDT: 2671-2675 (March 31- Apr. 4, 2014) Weekly Comics Discussion Thread (Read 24410 times)

jwhouk · « **on:** 30 Mar 2014, 17:26 »

And here... we... go!

Stoutfellow · « **Reply #1 on:** 30 Mar 2014, 18:27 »

April 24th?

jwhouk · « **Reply #2 on:** 30 Mar 2014, 18:33 »

It's a long week...

cesium133 · « **Reply #3 on:** 30 Mar 2014, 18:44 »

Well then. That's a bit different than the last time Marten got that drunk...

jwhouk · « **Reply #4 on:** 30 Mar 2014, 18:45 »

And she promised! I love it!

Zebediah · « **Reply #5 on:** 30 Mar 2014, 18:48 »

And she smiled while doing it. Angus is going to be OK.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #6 on:** 30 Mar 2014, 18:56 »

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

In terms of being drunkenly confessed to, you can do worse than being told that you deserve happiness.

Detachable Felix · « **Reply #7 on:** 30 Mar 2014, 20:51 »

Good outcome, as far as drunken confessions go

Prediction: rest of the week will entirely consist of Pintsize/Winslow shenanigans

WAYF · « **Reply #8 on:** 30 Mar 2014, 21:32 »

Oh, Marten. If only you cared about your own happiness as determinedly as you cared about that of your friends...

Loki · « **Reply #9 on:** 30 Mar 2014, 23:46 »

awwwwwwww
cutest Faye in panel 4 and 5

I do wonder what exactly Marten expects from her, though.

NilsO · « **Reply #10 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 00:49 »

I am ... disappointed. No lap-barfing this time. It was totally Faye's turn. No punching either, Faye is not the least bit annoyed.

One question remains: Will Marten remember anything tomorrow morning?

techkid · « **Reply #11 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 01:55 »

Quote from: WAYF on 30 Mar 2014, 21:32

Oh, Marten. If only you cared about your own happiness as determinedly as you cared about that of your friends...

People who think of their friends' happiness often neglect to think of their own.

I can't think of what to say. The comic was just... nice.

Thrillho · « **Reply #12 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 02:17 »

Marten - now a better drunk than he once was.

Akima · « **Reply #13 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 03:15 »

Marten must be drunk, he forgot that the band was The Promise Ring, not the Promise Ring.

And as others have pointed out, Marten is a better class of drunken idiot here.

~~GarandMarine~~ · « **Reply #14 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 04:21 »

Mark is handling himself way better then I would be at the five alcohol bubble phase following my crash from "lightspeed mode".

Detachable Felix · « **Reply #15 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 04:33 »

He's handling himself pretty much the way I do when I get to 5-bubble drunkenness. Gets all emotional but supportive.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #16 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 05:15 »

Quote from: Akima on 31 Mar 2014, 03:15

Marten must be drunk, he forgot that the band was The Promise Ring, not the Promise Ring.

"The" is a tiny word or small word or whatever, so even in a title it's not capitalized unless it's the first word in a sentence, or if you're only saying the title.

pwhodges · « **Reply #17 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 05:51 »

I'm with Akima here - if it's the first word of the title, it should have the capital.

Zebediah · « **Reply #18 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 06:19 »

Nope. A quick check of written references to half-a-dozen band names starting with "the" all show "the" not capitalized except at the beginning of a sentence.

cesium133 · « **Reply #19 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 06:20 »

I'd suggest forming a band called the The, but it's probably already been done.

Zebediah · « **Reply #20 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 06:22 »

Oh, absolutely.

Game and Watch Forever · « **Reply #21 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 06:40 »

Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!

I kid, I kid... that went about as well as it could, which is nice. I actually feel like Angus can actually get the job now without everything going wrong (just mostly everything

).

As for band names with "The," I have to agree with Akima. I don't see a difference between them and the title of books and movies, and I'm pretty sure it's always The Birds, The Cat in the Hat, and A Tale of Two Cities (for the sake of a different article), whether in the beginning or middle of a sentence. Unless, of course, "Promise Ring" is considered to be an equally valid name for them.

Thrillho · « **Reply #22 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 06:52 »

If 'the' is part of a band name officially it should be capitalised. They aren't the Strokes, they're The Strokes.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #23 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 07:03 »

It's part of their name, but it's still "the". I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Thrillho · « **Reply #24 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 07:36 »

But it's the definite article, not just 'the' in a sentence.

pwhodges · « **Reply #25 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 08:00 »

Quote from: Oxford University Style Guide

... books/films/songs/games etc – capitalise the first word of the title, and all words within the title except articles (a/an/the), prepositions (to/on/for etc) and conjunctions (but/and/or etc).
✓ The Last Mohican
✓ Far from the Madding Crowd
✓ Gone with the Wind
✓ World of Warcraft
✓ Grand Theft Auto III
✓ 'Always Look on the Bright Side of Life'
✘ 'Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life'

My emphasis.

Barmymoo · « **Reply #26 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 08:21 »

If it's part of a proper noun, it gets a capital. Unless the proper noun in question is e e cummings in which case it gets no capitals, mwahaha.

Add: Oh hey that's interesting. Although e e cummings did sometimes write his name with lower case letters, apparently he usually used capitals. It's a convention that other people have adopted on his behalf!

Rghfrgl · « **Reply #27 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 08:50 »

Quote from: Loki on 30 Mar 2014, 23:46

awwwwwwww
cutest Faye in panel 4 and 5

Panel 4 gets all the more adorable if you imagine Marten's about to boop her nose.

*boop*

Method of Madness · « **Reply #28 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 09:23 »

I stand corrected. It's still weird to me to capitalize articles outside the first word of a sentence, but I guess I can't deny it's correct.

pwhodges · « **Reply #29 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 09:25 »

But you'd do it with personal names without a thought. I would normally also place titles in italics; so I might write about Wagner's opera cycle: The Ring.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #30 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 09:30 »

Not if it was in the middle of a sentence.

Sidhekin · « **Reply #31 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 10:12 »

Even if The Ring is in the middle of a sentence, it's in italics.

But it seems to me the articles are title-cased only when the first word of, indeed, a title. The same rule does not seem to apply to names of groups and individuals.

Of course, not many English names of individuals have articles at all ...

... but it seems to me names of groups commonly get a lower case the in the middle of a sentence. And not just bands, either; from the afore linked Oxford University Style Guide: "The Department of Computer Science was previously known as the Oxford University Computing Laboratory." (Emphasis mine.)

Shjade · « **Reply #32 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 10:19 »

Quote from: Method of Madness on 31 Mar 2014, 09:30

Not if it was in the middle of a sentence.

Yes if it is in the middle of a sentence.

No if it is in the middle of the title.

The Second Saladin, yes.
The Wisdom of Big Bird, yes.
The Shipping News, yes.
Tender at the Bone, no.

FunkyTuba · « **Reply #33 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 10:27 »

I'm not ready for April Fools this year

Method of Madness · « **Reply #34 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 11:38 »

Quote from: Sidhekin on 31 Mar 2014, 10:12

Even if The Ring is in the middle of a sentence, it's in italics.

Yeah, I'd still use italics, but I'd say the Ring. I guess it's just a quirk of mine.

Storel · « **Reply #35 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 11:41 »

Quote from: Sidhekin on 31 Mar 2014, 10:12

Even if The Ring is in the middle of a sentence, it's in italics.

But it seems to me the articles are title-cased only when the first word of, indeed, a title. The same rule does not seem to apply to names of groups and individuals.

Exactly. Furthermore, how are you supposed to know whether a band considers "the" to be part of the band's name? Were they The Beatles, or just the Beatles? And was their first album entitled "Meet The Beatles" or just "Meet the Beatles"? What about the Animals, the Birds, the Hollies, or the Bangles? And is it different if the band's name is "So-and-so and [t/T]he Whatsits"? For example, is it "Florence and the Machine" or "Florence and The Machine"? (Wikipedia uses "the" for that one.)

Honestly, capitalizing the "the" in a band's name has always seemed pretentious to me. It just seems more natural and less awkward looking to leave it lowercased unless it's the first word in the sentence. That's how we do it with sports teams, too, which seems to be the same kind of thing. We refer to "the Yankees" or "the 49ers", not "The Yankees" or "The 49ers".

Platypodes · « **Reply #36 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 11:57 »

Awwwww! This strip really highlights how much Marty and Faye have both matured. And it's just adorable.

Kugai · « **Reply #37 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 12:06 »

Well, as far as a Faye/DrunkenMarten encounter goes, this one went better than the last one.

Maybe she should sing him a lullaby.

DSL · « **Reply #38 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 12:14 »

Re: "The": Some organizations with The as part of the name can be quite insufferable about the capitalization. I'm thinking of a certain tax-supported institute of higher education in more-or-less central Ohio.

cesium133 · « **Reply #39 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 12:18 »

Oh, do you mean An Ohio State University?

KOK · « **Reply #40 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 13:05 »

Quote from: cesium133 on 31 Mar 2014, 06:20

I'd suggest forming a band called the The, but it's probably already been done.

Then call it Teh.

pwhodges · « **Reply #41 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 13:14 »

Quote from: Storel on 31 Mar 2014, 11:41

Were they The Beatles, or just the Beatles?

They were The Beatles, and the name is so printed in the middle of sentences in the sleevenotes of their first album, Please Please Me, which I have here in front of me.

Thrillho · « **Reply #42 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 13:15 »

Quote from: Method of Madness on 31 Mar 2014, 11:38

Quote from: Sidhekin on 31 Mar 2014, 10:12
Even if The Ring is in the middle of a sentence, it's in italics.
Yeah, I'd still use italics, but I'd say the Ring. I guess it's just a quirk of mine.

Is incorrect grammar a quirk?

Method of Madness · « **Reply #43 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 13:26 »

Yep. Although I'm not sure this counts as grammar.

Thrillho · « **Reply #44 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 13:36 »

Wel itt shure ain't speelin'

pwhodges · « **Reply #45 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 13:51 »

Quote from: KOK on 31 Mar 2014, 13:05

Then call it Teh.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=134089

pwhodges · « **Reply #46 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 13:52 »

Quote from: Method of Madness on 31 Mar 2014, 13:26

Yep. Although I'm not sure this counts as grammar.

It's "style" or just "rules", as in The Oxford Guide to Style (formerly called Hart's Rules for Compositors). It doesn't affect sentence formation or the relationship of words, so it's not grammar - it's a typographical issue.

aphanisis81 · « **Reply #47 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 13:54 »

Quote from: cesium133 on 31 Mar 2014, 12:18

Oh, do you mean An Ohio State University?

Oh my god. I just told my wife, a die-hard Michigan fan, about this concept of referring to OSU as "An Ohio State University" for trash-talking purposes, and her reaction was roughly akin to Faye's upon hearing Angus cried watching Yaoi cartoons.

And yes, it should definitely be The Promise Ring. No question about it. Wouldn't have pegged Marten (or Jeph) as a fan of such a quintessentially emo band.

DSL · « **Reply #48 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 14:33 »

Quote from: cesium133 on 31 Mar 2014, 12:18

Oh, do you mean An Ohio State University?

That's what some of us graduates of the Buckeye State's less-exalted alma maters use to refer to our schools. Although the newspaper in Dayton got off a nice shot when U of Dayton kicked the Buckeyes out of the NCAA basketball championship play. The headline was "THE University of Dayton." It almost made me wish I gave a damn about basketball.

Zebediah · « **Reply #49 on:** 31 Mar 2014, 15:20 »

Back in the 1980s Duke students used to trash-talk UNC by calling Duke "THE University of North Carolina". As an NC State student, I appreciated the dig while calling BS on the implication.

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