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And now for something completely different: What happened to Mays hand?

Too much cake-mix
May got too excited with Pintsize
May had a nasty meet-up with Yelling Bird
SOMEONE had to clean up Dale's bed!
The obligatory reference to synthetic ham
MAY IS MELTING FROM ALL THE SQUEE
May found Marigolds stache of sexy dude pictures
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Marten dithers better than Georges Seurat.
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Pancakes are not the first thing I crave if I have a hangover, but then I am not Marten. I guess a pancake breakfast with Marten, Faye, and Pintsize will reveal a lot about Marten's feelings for this.

Time for Pintsize to do something useful for the very first time: Go make some pancakes!

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Oh thank goodness. I hope yesterday was just a fluke. With all the fascinating narrative balls in the air right now: Marten/Claire, Faye/Sven/Angus, Dora/Sven, I was so disappointed that we had a May strip yesterday. Despite all the wonderful characters and storylines in QC, I think May was a total misfire. I don't get the appeal of these QC meets Blade Runner storylines.
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May is an interesting character, and it will be fun to have her develop alongside the main cast.  Besides, she gives kind of a lighthearted break from everything - though Jephzibah, bless him, tends to put her in to break up super epic storylines like this one.  Which annoys me a tiny bit.
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What the actual fuck, I had a dream about the next two strips - that Marten decided he didn't have feelings for Claire, but that he did for Emily.

#1, why the fuck am I dreaming about QC, #2, why the fuck am I dreaming THAT outcome? The pacing doesn't make sense, the format that I dreamed the strips were in isn't at all Jeph's format, and the ending doesn't make sense.
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Well at least let me asure you that you are not the only one to dream about QC ;)
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yeah, you should be dreaming about Pokemon like a normal nerd  :-D
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I'm pretty sure the real outcome is Marten being assaulted in his hungover state by a wet slavering beast. As he's about to be overcome, Gabby slays the Demon of Humidity, and Marten swoons into her arms completing the intern intimacy trifecta.
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Hang on, which wet slavering beast are we talking about? Claire or Emily?  :-D
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The pacing doesn't make sense, the format that I dreamed the strips were in isn't at all Jeph's format, and the ending doesn't make sense.
Because Emily duh!
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But I don't even ship that! I do... whatever the opposite of shipping that is!
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You could squeeze it into roughly six months. Which brings us, roughly, to strip 3000. I'm calling it now. :P

This has been noted. I also think you're right.
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May is an interesting character, and it will be fun to have her develop alongside the main cast.  Besides, she gives kind of a lighthearted break from everything - though Jephzibah, bless him, tends to put her in to break up super epic storylines like this one.  Which annoys me a tiny bit.

Her aptitude for creative cursing aside ("fuckbarn" is just a beautiful swear, somehow), I humbly disagree. I know the AI stuff is something Jeph wants to explore in the comic, but for me it just KILLS the momentum of what I'm actually interested in. Momo was one thing, but the May storylines are just heavy-handed as hell.
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Her aptitude for creative cursing aside ("fuckbarn" is just a beautiful swear, somehow), I humbly disagree. I know the AI stuff is something Jeph wants to explore in the comic, but for me it just KILLS the momentum of what I'm actually interested in. Momo was one thing, but the May storylines are just heavy-handed as hell.
I disagree. May shows us some of the darker sides of AI in the QC universe. There is crime, jail, intelligent weaponry, advanced stealth technology, and AI's that might consider harming or exterminating humanity. Until now, we have only seen glimpses of this. Let us hope Jeph is not planning a war of extermination between humans and AI.

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Her aptitude for creative cursing aside ("fuckbarn" is just a beautiful swear, somehow), I humbly disagree. I know the AI stuff is something Jeph wants to explore in the comic, but for me it just KILLS the momentum of what I'm actually interested in. Momo was one thing, but the May storylines are just heavy-handed as hell.
I disagree. May shows us some of the darker sides of AI in the QC universe. There is crime, jail, intelligent weaponry, advanced stealth technology, and AI's that might consider harming or exterminating humanity. Until now, we have only seen glimpses of this. Let us hope Jeph is not planning a war of extermination between humans and AI.

I guess it's not that I think the storytelling is poor; Jeph always has excellent narrative control and pacing (the latter provided you like your pacing glacial and deliberate). I think it's just an issue of taste in subject matter.
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I disagree. May shows us some of the darker sides of AI in the QC universe.
Yeah, but not really.  "Sociopathic AI" might be an interesting area to explore, but May has been positioned as a "sociopath with a heart of gold," which lowers the stakes and really doesn't make sense.

A new sympathetic character who constantly hurls insults, if that's indeed where this is going, is not breaking new ground in this strip.
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My take on it is that Jeph's approach to characterisation of all characters, human or AI, is "people are complex".
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I disagree. May shows us some of the darker sides of AI in the QC universe.
Yeah, but not really.  "Sociopathic AI" might be an interesting area to explore, but May has been positioned as a "sociopath with a heart of gold," which lowers the stakes and really doesn't make sense.

A new sympathetic character who constantly hurls insults, if that's indeed where this is going, is not breaking new ground in this strip.
Why are you assuming sociopathy? She seems more like an attention-starved teen looking for a role model to me. Indeed she exhibits almost none of the three major indices of sociopathy and even the one she does have a little of (reduced empathy) is within "normal" bounds as far as we have seen.

Plus I've long since formed the suspicion that more AIs are seeded than actually leave the crèches and that exhibiting actual sociopathy is one of the reasons a growing seed might be disbarred from leaving. But that's induction rather than deduction so feel free to believe that the AI crèche is a wondrous digital paradise with the equivalent of lots of soft toys, walls you can write on, and an infinite supply of crayons in any colour you can conceive…
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Ok I'm new here (but not on the planet) and while I'm not intending to be contentious but I really dislike the term Artificial Intelligence.
How can Intelligence be Artificial?
Bio or Electro-Mechanical Intelligence is Intelligence.

Oh and the Claire/Marten story arc.............yeah well kinda saw that one coming down the road a while ago, but analyzing Marten's actions/hesitation is just so much fun.
Is he hesitating because Claire's Trans and doesn't know how to proceed or because she's Trans and want to go carefully and not hurt her or is he just scared about another "Crash and Burn" possibility.

I'd like for him to grow a pair and step up for Claire. (But Hey I'm an old romantic!)  :claireface:
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It is a product of artifice; it is artificial.

Latter connotations of artificiality with fakery and falseness are best ignored since they originally referred specifically to emotional misrepresentation in humans.
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mmm... pancakes

We now have meme #3.

Waffles, Space Ham, Pancakes.
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Ok I'm new here (but not on the planet) and while I'm not intending to be contentious but I really dislike the term Artificial Intelligence.
How can Intelligence be Artificial?
Bio or Electro-Mechanical Intelligence is Intelligence.

Oh and the Claire/Marten story arc.............yeah well kinda saw that one coming down the road a while ago, but analyzing Marten's actions/hesitation is just so much fun.
Is he hesitating because Claire's a coworker and doesn't know how to proceed or because she's got anxiety and want to go carefully and not hurt her or is he just scared about another "Crash and Burn" possibility.

I'd like for him to grow a pair and step up for Claire. (But Hey I'm an old romantic!)  :claireface:
Let's play spot the difference.
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Waffles, Space Ham, Pancakes.
Together, they make a breakfast that is out of this world :claireface:

On comic: I'd like to think that Marten is just trying to get himself into a position where he can figure out what happened between himself and Claire. His first approach will be Faye (being probably closest to her, both by proximity and emotional attachment). A shared breakfast might be in order.

Has it ever been established where Claire lives? I couldn't imagine Marten or Faye allowing her to travel unaccompanied at whatever hours of the night if she lived too far.
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I'd like for him to grow a pair and step up for Claire. (But Hey I'm an old romantic!)  :claireface:
Welcome aboard, I'll be thinking you'll enjoy your stay because we are sailing straight for canon aww yisss.
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Welcome aboard, I'll be thinking you'll enjoy your stay because we are sailing straight for canon aww yisss.

As much as I'd hate for it to turn out this way, it could be as much a growing experience for Marten to not be with Claire - the important thing thus far has been for him to figure out what he wants, whether it be in a relationship, his job or anything else.  Might be that being able to gently let her down rather than just go with the flow and see what happens is a better indicator of character.

Hats off to the storyteller, though - I've been entertained often enough, but I've never given a tinker's damn about webcomic character relationships before this.
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I'd like for him to grow a pair and step up for Claire.

Let's find a less inappropriate way of expressing this, please?  There are reasons we don't like such genitally-based imagery here, for example:

Let's play spot the difference

I can see a possible acceptable meaning for this (referring back to a different part of the quote which I've not included), but unfortunately I can more easily see an absolutely forbidden one.  Don't go there again.
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On comic: I'd like to think that Marten is just trying to get himself into a position where he can figure out what happened between himself and Claire. His first approach will be Faye (being probably closest to her, both by proximity and emotional attachment). A shared breakfast might be in order.

I have a hunch that he won't talk about this with anyone else. He will have to summon up the courage to talk to Claire herself this time. Unlike the wedding snuggle and Emily's "my hero" kiss, this is not unfathomable behaviour by the other party; Marten has to ask himself why HE instigated physical contact, and only he can answer that.

So he's either got to tell her that he's sober now and he'd like to carry on where they left off last night and be prepared for her reaction, whatever that may be, or else (less likely in my mind) admit it was all a drunken mistake and apologise.

Come to think of it, I wonder if we'll be treated to how Claire is reacting to all this. She's got a lot of stuff to process too...
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On comic: I'd like to think that Marten is just trying to get himself into a position where he can figure out what happened between himself and Claire. His first approach will be Faye (being probably closest to her, both by proximity and emotional attachment). A shared breakfast might be in order.

I have a hunch that he won't talk about this with anyone else. He will have to summon up the courage to talk to Claire herself this time. Unlike the wedding snuggle and Emily's "my hero" kiss, this is not unfathomable behaviour by the other party; Marten has to ask himself why HE instigated physical contact, and only he can answer that.

So he's either got to tell her that he's sober now and he'd like to carry on where they left off last night and be prepared for her reaction, whatever that may be, or else (less likely in my mind) admit it was all a drunken mistake and apologise.

Come to think of it, I wonder if we'll be treated to how Claire is reacting to all this. She's got a lot of stuff to process too...
I'd love to see her reaction.
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I'm not seeing this the way others seem to.  It all looks good to go to me.
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Unlike the wedding snuggle and Emily's "my hero" kiss, this is not unfathomable behaviour by the other party; Marten has to ask himself why HE instigated physical contact, and only he can answer that.

I like that reasoning - it's got a good beat and I can dance to it.  Thanks!  :claireface:
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I have not seen this many posters with fewer than 100 posts in nearly forever.

(Psst: if y'all haven't already, read the rules back atop the main forum. This is a no-shipping forum, despite what you may have been led to believe.)
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So he's either got to tell her that he's sober now and he'd like to carry on where they left off last night and be prepared for her reaction, whatever that may be, or else (less likely in my mind) admit it was all a drunken mistake and apologise.

Or he can be a coward, and pretend he had a blackout if Claire asks him. 

Not that I consider that the most likely scenario, but if he's genuinely scared (for whatever reason) I could easily see Martin just being avoidant. 
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[...] read the rules back atop the main forum. This is a no-shipping forum, despite what you may have been led to believe.)

Though "no shipping" doesn't prevent discussion of the immediate implications of what we've actually seen in the comic.  We're not that unreasonable!
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Yeah, the rule is really about fan shipping. At this point we are absolutely in the realm of Jeph-shipping. :)
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Oh, so now comes pages and pages of Marten figuring out his feelings.

Yeah. And then back to the Sven/Dora storyline, then back to Faye and Angus, then Dale and Marigold, a dash of Pintsize shenanigans, some cereal, a liberal helping of Yelling Bird, the return of Wil and Penelope, some Tai and Dora developments, then another Claire/Marten cliffhanger around Thanksgiving, with more indecision when the comic resumes, followed by another visit to the space station, a visit with Jimbo, May's parole violation, and then another Claire/Marten cliffhanger right before Christmas leading to more indecision in the New Year. :P
... NO RAVEN ???  :cry:

A dark-haired woman will show up in the background of a few strips, leading to speculation on the forum, but no Raven. Because Jeph.

mmm... pancakes

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Waffles, Space Ham, Pancakes.

Welcome to IHOP (Intergalactic House of Pancakes).

FURTHER SPECULATION: What if we've been looking at this all wrong, and all this time Jeph's biggest influence has been the Archie comics? That means another ten years (or more) of Marten going back and forth endlessly between Betty and Veronica Claire and Emily.

Question sparked by speculation: So who's Jughead? Pintsize? Steve?
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You know what I miss? I miss Faye casually strolling in to announce, matter-of-factly, that something is on fire. I miss that.
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You know what I miss? I miss Faye casually strolling in to announce, matter-of-factly, that something is on fire. I miss that.

"The pancakes are on fire."

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yeah, you should be dreaming about Pokemon like a normal nerd  :-D
There is no such thing. There are mutually exclusive sets.
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yeah, you should be dreaming about Pokemon like a normal nerd  :-D
There is no such thing. There are mutually exclusive sets.
Mind you both sets are partial subsets of "Appear Normal".
Perhaps we could define an orthonormal basis set of nerds...
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Why can we foresee Claire ships?

Because of the Claire buoyancy.  :claireface:

BOO! HISS! KICK THE BUM OUT!
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yeah, you should be dreaming about Pokemon like a normal nerd  :-D
There is no such thing. There are mutually exclusive sets.
Mind you both sets are partial subsets of "Appear Normal".
Perhaps we could define an orthonormal basis set of nerds...

What is the dimension of nerdspace?
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yeah, you should be dreaming about Pokemon like a normal nerd  :-D
There is no such thing. There are mutually exclusive sets.
Mind you both sets are partial subsets of "Appear Normal".
Perhaps we could define an orthonormal basis set of nerds...

What is the dimension of nerdspace?
It's a Hilbert space of infinite dimension.

Why can we foresee Claire ships?

Because of the Claire buoyancy.  :claireface:

BOO! HISS! KICK THE BUM OUT!
*dodges thrown shoos*  :claireface:
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I'm kind of led to think this is the morning after and Marten's half-asleep, hungover, trying to process what happened the night before before he gets up, and failing miserably. The thought of needing breakfast before he can process anything is one I can understand. Except substitute 'pancakes' for 'coffee'.

I really hope we get some more Pintsize, much as I want to see Marten and Claire fretting over this as they're doubtless going to.
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