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Most underrated songs ever?
Bastardous Bassist:
I used to make fun of 4'33" a lot. I thought it was the stupidest thing ever, but there just came a point where my opinion completely changed. I don't know what it was, but it happened sometime last year. I realized that it was a piece of music, and it was an amazing statement. I mean, use recorded sound usually not associated with music as much as you want, 4'33" drives the point home that everything is music. Maybe it was just the fact that I had a point last year where I was wondering what music was, and what defined music. 4'33" just seems like this huge thing that completely answers my question: everything, you just have to learn to listen to it.
Also, the song is "noise," but it's noise arranged in a certain way, and it develops ideas based on a recurring theme. I mean, all music is just organized noise. Hell, distortion is adding a whole lot of "unwanted" noise to the signal coming from the electric guitar. It's just generally accepted as music because it's much more attached to the tradition. Russolo stated that we need to completely break with tradition, and I'm not sure if that's entirely true, but we at least need to push the boundaries more. I mean, people have been keeping with tradition for hundreds of years, and music needs to keep moving forward.
--- Quote from: nescience ---To me, saying a work like "Revolution 9" isn't musical is like saying birdsong isn't musical, or speech isn't musical, or the outside world isn't musical
--- End quote ---
Case and point for speech and the outside world being musical: Steve Reich - Different Trains
Thrillho:
--- Quote from: Bastardous Bassist ---I used to make fun of 4'33" a lot. I thought it was the stupidest thing ever, but there just came a point where my opinion completely changed. I don't know what it was, but it happened sometime last year. I realized that it was a piece of music, and it was an amazing statement. I mean, use recorded sound usually not associated with music as much as you want, 4'33" drives the point home that everything is music. Maybe it was just the fact that I had a point last year where I was wondering what music was, and what defined music. 4'33" just seems like this huge thing that completely answers my question: everything, you just have to learn to listen to it.
Also, the song is "noise," but it's noise arranged in a certain way, and it develops ideas based on a recurring theme. I mean, all music is just organized noise. Hell, distortion is adding a whole lot of "unwanted" noise to the signal coming from the electric guitar. It's just generally accepted as music because it's much more attached to the tradition. Russolo stated that we need to completely break with tradition, and I'm not sure if that's entirely true, but we at least need to push the boundaries more. I mean, people have been keeping with tradition for hundreds of years, and music needs to keep moving forward.
--- Quote from: nescience ---To me, saying a work like "Revolution 9" isn't musical is like saying birdsong isn't musical, or speech isn't musical, or the outside world isn't musical
--- End quote ---
Case and point for speech and the outside world being musical: Steve Reich - Different Trains
--- End quote ---
Okay, let me rephrase it for you, since you're clearly going to reply like that whatever way I describe it.
It sounds like shit. As far as I'm concerned.
Is the sound of shit musical?
I'm sorry, I know I'm being very snide. I talk about the music I like as passionately as you do, but you seem to be misconstruing a lack of understanding of what the pieces are aiming to achieve with just plain not enjoying it.
I know Revolution 9 was an innovative sound collage, although Paul was doing in in 1966, and I realise it was 'art' or whatever. I realise it was meant to illustrate a crowd disturbance, or whatever their point was. However, having a point doesn't make it listenable.
4'33", meanwhile, I can see that he was aiming to record the sounds of the people going 'WTF?' rather than the actual silence necessarily. That doesn't stop it from being so pretentious that it makes Pink Floyd blush. And I'm not trying to poke fun at anything. I'm just explaining my dislike for it.
Bastardous Bassist:
Well, what is considered musical or not is up to each individual. I mean, about four hundred years ago, Monteverdi was considered horribly dissonant and unmusical. Now, the only complaint possible against Monteverdi is that his music is boring. In 100 years, musique concrete will be considered boring, because there will be new stuff out there that's so wild that even the most forward-thinking people of today would consider it not music. So, disliking it is fine, but saying it is terrible is implying an objective view, which is impossible.
Kirbo:
I doubt I'll get much of an agreement here, but everything The Crash Test Dummies ever did besides Mmmm mmmm mmmm mmmm got next to no regogntion. I love them, they're just a quirky, fun band. Too bad they may be done.
KharBevNor:
Current 93 - Crowleymass
I think the fact that C93 can jump from some of the most intense, personal, meaningful, beautiful stuff ever written (Horsey, A Song For Douglas After He's Dead, Black Flowers Please etc.) to utterly fucking RIDICULOUS cheesy 80's pop/rap christmas tunes about Alisteir Crowley with choral backing and a whole verse about the correct pronunciation of Crowley's name ("It isn't Crowley, that rhymes with...fouly! EWWW!") really does mean they are a fucking great band. Most c93 fans haven't heard the full-on version of this track though (merely Crowleymass Unveiled) and C93 wouldn't do it live in a million years. So not even the fans really appreciate it. And no-one else has even heard of it.
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