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Final Fantasy VII is not a good game. (Arguement thread!)

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Narr:
Mentioned in another thread by someone after I had said FFVII was crap:


--- Quote ---Also, FFVII trash? Sorry, but I can't see where you get that. FFVI was trash. Sorry, but at least FFVII's plot didn't fall apart half-way through and have a villian that had no development or motivation. Also, FFVII is revolutionary to the industry. It's a classic.
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Name one good thing about FFVII.  I will attack it from every angle I possibly can.

If you like the battle system, we've been there, done that.  Those of us that started on the SNES Final Fantasies had already played a good 60+ hours of the FF battle system with the two SNES ones.  I'm not saying the battle system in and of itself is flawed; I simply mean to point out it's not revolutionary.

The Materia System, you say?  That was something you liked?  I personally hated it with a passion. It sucked all individuality out of each character.  They were no longer different people in battle- they were just the Materia they had equipped.  (FF8's Guardian Forces also suffered the problem but to the umpth degree.  FF10 sort of did, but only after vast extended play.  At least characters had different uses BEFORE you uberized everyone.)  And, then you've got Limit Breaks.  First off, FF6 had limit breaks, but they were very random and uncontrolabe.  Secondly, they took 5 million years to build up, just for one, silly super attack.  It didn't alter gameplay.

The story was also nothing new.  It's almost a carbon copy of the previous Final Fantasy title.  You start out with the evil "Empire", Shinra, basically trying to take over the world, that creates Super Soliders, one of whom takes over the role as main enemy in the title.  Every character in the entire game was a boring cliché, and might I add, poorly designed conceptually.  "Hey, let's make a guy with super saiyan hair use a sword 5 times bigger than anything reasonable!  That should be cool.  And then let's steal Alucard from Castlevania, and give him a katana that's 5 times bigger than anything that could possibly be used in real life.  Winner!"  The only character that interested me was Cid.  Barret was just Mr. T with a gun arm, Tifa was the ditsy, busty chick, Aeris was the mysterious, quiet girl with uper mysterious holy powers.  Cait Sith was also kind of interesting, but he was just comic relief, and not really anything substantial therefore.  Cloud, THE MAIN CHARACTER, was a whiny pussy.  I don't know about you, but if I'm going to control a guy for 70 hours, I don't want him to be a whiny pussy.  The main villian HAD NO MOTIVATION, if you ask me.  "Oh, I want to purge the world of evil!"  Well, seeing as he displays literally no emotion the entire game, it's silly.  Hojo was a true villain, but he wasn't explored in-depth enough.  Seriously, Sephiroth is lame and I never did understand the fandom that's surrounded him.

The graphics, for it's time, WERE STILL BAD.  The FMV sequences were pretty elite for it's time, but the rest of the game was appalling.  I remember the first time I played it and saw Cloud's huge Popeye arms, I said "Wait, that's his arms?  You gotta be joking me."  Nowadays, the game causes you to want to gouge out your eyes.  Therefore, it's not timeless.  I can still play my sprite-based FF games.

Music?  Well, okay.  I have no problem admitting the music was phenominal, as are most FF games.  It's one of it's few redeeming qualities.

Was the game revolutionary?  Yes.  Reason being it was for a system that tons of people here in the United States and was many people's first exposure to RPGs.  There were TONS of better RPGs that cameout before FF7, but a lot of people don't even know about them.  "Eww, sprites.  The graphics are 'bad.'  I don't want to play that!"

I honestly believe the VAST majority of people that really like FF7 do so because they suffer from first RPG syndrome.  I admit, I recognize a lot of flaws in my first RPG that I completed (Dragon Quest 4, for the record), and I love the game to bits and pieces.

Kai:
on the story: Let's face it: EVERY Japanese RPG has a piss poor story. Scientific fact.

Bastardous Bassist:
And my friend wonders why I don't play Japanese RPGs.  More on topic, I never really got into any of the Final Fantasies.

Kirbo:
You sir, are on.

I'm going to go in order of how wrong you are.

1. Graphics:
Admittedly, the characters were blocky, ugly things with no mouths, but, and this is a huge but, look at every backround and environment in the game (save the overworld map), all highly detailed, realistic places. Lakes sparkle, caves are dark and dingy, every dungeon is just sublime in its appearence. For those days it looked fantastic.

2. Battle System:
The same thing as previous FF's, yes, but it works, why fuck with a formula. The basic battle system masks surprising depth, the only way to mess with it is level boosting too much. Also, Limit Breaks don't come too often, once you hit the level 4 limit breaks (or stay with level 3 depending on the character) they take quite a lot of damage to go up much.

3. Materia:
Don't want characters to be the same? Then use different materia. Trust me, you can, I've beaten the game many times. If you think three identical characters can beat Emerald without the Underwater materia, you're either wrong, or fucking lucky. Ruby also requires some real strategy.

4. Characters
--- Quote from: Narr ---Cloud, THE MAIN CHARACTER, was a whiny pussy. I don't know about you, but if I'm going to control a guy for 70 hours, I don't want him to be a whiny pussy.
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Question...do you mean Tidus, and you've confused FFVII with FFX? Tidus cried when his dad didn't hug him, Cloud SAVED THE FUCKING WORLD FROM A GIANT METEOR. Honestly, Cloud is a bad ass, sure he cares about things, but that makes him feel real. He's got plenty of motivation, the burning of his villiage, the killing of his friend, the promise he made to Tifa, and so on (not throwing in a major spoiler too). Barret is Mr. T with a gunarm? Oh...right, I forgot the Episode of The A-Team where B.A takes on the largest corporation in the world in order to avenge his wife, protect his daughter, and save the lifestream from being used up. That was a good one. Tifa is the ditzy busty chick......Uh...where was she ditzy? Where? Oh, nowhere. Right. Tifa has the same reason to fight as Cloud, and all the while she has to deny her feeling for him. Aeirth was, more or less what you said, only with some real personality. In only one disc you get a great sense of how wonderful and caring a person she is. The rest I'll leave, but yes...Cid rules. Sephiroth wants what is rightfully his in his mind. He should inherate the earth, he has the means to do so, so best get the fuck out the way. He's not deep, he's just fucked up, insane and completly badass. A 7 ft Katana? Fuck yes.

5. Story
ALL RPG'S ARE CLICHED!
This one is no exception, however it helps that the game is dark, well-written and as I showed above, the characters are great. That's what drives the story. Not much else to say.

Narr, this is your opinion, you have your right to it, but I'm just throwing this out, it's horrible.

FFVII is fantastic, now, then, and forever.

Kai:
Kefka is still way crazier than Sephiroth.

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