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Jedit:
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That doesn't bode well. Subgenres blend often, but there has to be a notable distinguishing feature to even consider them subgenres in the first place. Otherwise you're just wanking.
--- Quote ---The best answer I can think of is:
Death metal riff:
Black metal Riff:
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That would probably have been very illustrative if I read sheet music, which right now I don't. Looks like a lot of effort, though; I appreciate it.
--- Quote ---hmn.
A black metal song:
Burzum - Ea, Lord of the Depths
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I really hope that song isn't sung in English - I didn't understand a word. Hard to tell, because as you described it the "singer" is really a "screamer" (and he also seems to be about 30 feet from the mic, though that may be my headphones or the relative noise level of the track). Apart from that, it sounds pretty much like thrash. Extreme Judas Priest, if you will.
--- Quote ---A death metal song:
Bloodbath - Ominous Bloodvomit
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I used to have a Bolt Thrower album (long since given away to a metaller friend) and this sounds kind of like that did. I still do have a Cathedral track that sounds like this, for that matter. Probably you'll disparage those two acts for not being hardcore enough, but I think I can pick a death metal act out of a lineup now.
(I see what you mean about the "cookie monstering", too; I kept expecting this guy to start singing "Cookies! Cookies! Cookies for Satan!" at any second. :))
--- Quote ---A grindcore song:
Circle of Dead Children - A Family Tree to Hang From
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OK, what the fuck? Sorry to be dissing one of your favourites so harshly after you were good enough to take the time, but how can anyone call this "music" and keep a straight face? The other two tracks you uploaded weren't really my thing, but at least they were clearly and discernibly songs performed by people who knew one end of a drumstick from the other. This sounds like someone dropped a live electric wire into a spastic's bathtub and recorded the results.
--- Quote ---I'm kinda dissapointed I uploaded all these before you were so...I dunno. Condescending.
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Think how I felt when Misereatur began talking about "the wrong kind of growl for black metal". A less open-minded person would have assumed he was taking the mickey. I might have too, had it been April 1st.
Meanwhile, I wasn't being condescending - just not taking the matter too seriously. "20 Golden Grindcore Melodies" (which is not available in the shops, but call our 1-800 hotline now to order your copy for the low, low price of $19.99) is a recurring gag I pull out whenever the idea of Ronco bastardising and homogenising yet another musical genre is apt. It usually gets a laugh even without my acting out the lounge piano version of Napalm Death's "You Suffer".
--- Quote ---Because you can't understand something doesn't make it beneath you.
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Please learn the difference between "don't" and "can't" and when to apply them correctly.
nescience:
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--- Quote ---The best answer I can think of is:
Death metal riff:
Black metal Riff:
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That would probably have been very illustrative if I read sheet music, which right now I don't. Looks like a lot of effort, though; I appreciate it.
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One way to think about the differences in these figures is that the black metal riff requires slightly more aggressive guitar playing and the death metal riff allows more notes to sustain, giving a "fuller" sound.
Sounds like someone doesn't like metal...
Cartilage Head:
I suppose a better term would be "shittily supported" as opposed to unsupported..
KharBevNor:
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OK, what the fuck? Sorry to be dissing one of your favourites so harshly after you were good enough to take the time, but how can anyone call this "music" and keep a straight face? The other two tracks you uploaded weren't really my thing, but at least they were clearly and discernibly songs performed by people who knew one end of a drumstick from the other. This sounds like someone dropped a live electric wire into a spastic's bathtub and recorded the results.
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Not only is it music, it is extremely complex, technical music with complex tempo and time signature shifts.
It's not that metal subgenres do not have complex, distinguishing features, it is rather that these features are hard to describe, especially to someone who doesn't consider a pretty standard (I've even heard them called 'boring and generic' though I rate them higher) grind song as music. This illustrates that I was, indeed, probably correct in using can't.
The Burzum track is indeed in English. It is quite heavily accented though.
Cathedral and Bolt Thrower? Similiar? Both are great bands, but they're quite different...I suppose you must be talking about early Cathedral? I can see the probable confusion, the vocal styles can be similiar because Bolt Thrower have quite thrashy vocals (ie there's a sort of 'normal' edge to them, like with Cathedrals old doom stuff), but the riffing is totally different. A good key is the tempo.
Jedit:
--- Quote from: nescience ---One way to think about the differences in these figures is that the black metal riff requires slightly more aggressive guitar playing and the death metal riff allows more notes to sustain, giving a "fuller" sound.
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Which would make black metal somewhat more jagged, right?
--- Quote ---Sounds like someone doesn't like metal...
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It's not my first pick, but I don't run screaming from the room when someone puts it on if that's what you mean.
--- Quote from: KharBevNor ---Not only is it music, it is extremely complex, technical music with complex tempo and time signature shifts.
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Which is fine over extended pieces. Try cramming it into 60 seconds, though, and you'll wind up with a mess - you can't but lose cohesion when you're switching tempo every two bars.
--- Quote ---It's not that metal subgenres do not have complex, distinguishing features, it is rather that these features are hard to describe, especially to someone who doesn't consider a pretty standard (I've even heard them called 'boring and generic' though I rate them higher) grind song as music.
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I don't see why; grindcore seems to have very little in common with the others. You could have described it as "death metal at 300bpm" and been within a shout of accurate, though of course you'd still have had to find a way to explain what death metal was.
--- Quote ---The Burzum track is indeed in English. It is quite heavily accented though.
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Ah, good, it's not just me then.
--- Quote ---Cathedral and Bolt Thrower? Similiar? Both are great bands, but they're quite different...I suppose you must be talking about early Cathedral?
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I couldn't tell you. What I can tell you is that the Cathedral track is "Skullflower" and the Bolt Thrower album was (IIRC) their debut album - the one based directly off Warhammer 40,000.
--- Quote ---I can see the probable confusion, the vocal styles can be similiar because Bolt Thrower have quite thrashy vocals (ie there's a sort of 'normal' edge to them, like with Cathedrals old doom stuff), but the riffing is totally different. A good key is the tempo.
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It's been more than ten years since I palmed that album off. I honestly don't recall the tempo.
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