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Indie Elitism
Bunnyman:
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--- Quote from: Bunnyman ---Wait, so Punk is just like modern art.
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Basically. I think that's actually a pretty good comparison. (But who am I to talk, seeing as I actually enjoy some punk.)
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And I like certain select bits of modern art. So it's all good.
I've found that with most genres, eventually everyone's metaphorical cock is going to be shorter. I know some you don't, you know some I don't, that dude seems to live a monastic existence finding every practictioner of the style and categorizing them with razor-sharp genre distinctions.
So just learn to use the piece you have and, if you find something that expands it a bit, more power to you. I feel silly if I try to namedrop with serious listeners of IDM, hip-hop, Jungle, Trance, or whatever. This is why we just need to both load up a playlist, hit shuffle, and go on a long road trip so we have to listen to it.
KharBevNor:
Punks not really like modern art at all. The reasons for producing punk are often entirely different, and the audience enjoy it for entirely different reasons. Punk is egalitarian, modern art is elitist. Punk is outsider, Modern art is insider. The only thing they really share is the fact that they are normally either about making a political/social point, being staggeringly offensive, or both.
Oh yes, and punk is also good. If you don't enjoy any punk, you need to go and have a medical test to ensure you've still got enough adrenalin. If you're an indie kid, listening to a slew of horribly lo-fi rock and alt-folk bands, and praising their three chord pop sensibilities, and you don't like any punk, you may possibly die of a hideous combination of hypocrisy, bad taste and me beating you to death with a shoe.
nescience:
I don't find this thread going anywhere. Many contributors to this thread are elitists themselves (which is fine), but in their criticisms are ignorant of the complex interplay between independent music spirit and the elitism that springs up around it. "Indie music" and "indie culture" are indeed two separate and easily-confused concepts, each ill-defined at that (let me get it out of the way, I can probably be accused of appreciation of elements of both, but I don't like association with either). I'm getting pretty sick of the term "indie music" as it evolves as convenient identifier for whichever set of styles mainstream media thinks it can package and sell as "indie". It's not even a fucking genre-- what many call indie music these days often falls into the genres of Lo-Fi, Psychedelic Pop, Baroque Pop, Postmodern Rock, Emo, Twee Pop, Post-Punk Revival, New Wave Revival, Garage Rock Revival (3rd wave) New Folk, No Depression (also called Alt-Country) and some Electropop... and IT ALL SOUNDS DIFFERENT, PEOPLE.
What we call "Indie" isn't supposed to be elitist, but audiences associated with the music often make it so. You're not supposed to like Pavement if you don't enjoy it (I hate it), and Pavement doesn't give a shit how cool they are. I mean, where culture is concerned, I find it funny that people choose criticism of the elitism of "indie culture" and its trappings, yet talk with such reverence and obvious feelings of superiority about groups for whom they have obviously subjective affection for. Were you picked on by Guided by Voices fans as a child, or something? I wouldn't be surprised-- that Bob Pollard birthed a generation of shitty indie fratboys.
Long story short: it doesn't matter. They're all the same, we're all the same. The truth is "you" don't like whatever you think "indie" is, and I think "your" music is terrible. Friends.
PS: Metal blows.
beat mouse:
^^ there's your indie elitism right there.
ProphetHobo:
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--- Quote from: Spinless ---So, to summarise:
Guys want bigger Indie Dongs than you.
Girls want bigger Indie Tits than you.
So let's see if I've got this right...Indie kids are looking down their noses at you because they're better endowed?
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Except that girls seem to be a lot more secure with their indie endowment (indowment?) than dudes. That being said, I'm indie hung like an indie horse.
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I'll go ahead and admit I have a small cock.
Er.... INDIE cock.
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