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jcknbl:
I've been thinking about the role of the producer in albums lately. How important are they? Can they ever make or break an album or is it only the band that matters? Can a producer be blamed for the failure of an album or given credit for a good one? Are there producers who have consistently produced good albums? Any particular ones you're a fan of?

From what I know it seems like the big popular producers produce as many catastrophes as they do successes.

I imagine most people probably don't pay attention to this. But if theres one place I can find people who might its here. Any opinions?

Thrillho:
They can absolutely save and ruin an album. Roger Waters' Radio KAOS album was oversheened, when it was meant to be a biting rhetoric.

An album's production is exactly as important as the music itself. A great song can be fucked by its production.

a pack of wolves:
I really like early Dischord production, it's perfect for the music. Some bands sound at their best yelling into a four track, some need something better. The main source for the music is of course still the band, but the production can give it a little extra or ruin it entirely. A good example of that is the Fig 4.0/Ensign split 7", despite loving Fig 4.0 I've listened to that record only a couple of times because the production is so bad. Conversely although I'd love Shellac anyway the sound they have on their records makes them even better.

Thrillho:

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--- Quote from: dynamitekid ---An album's production is exactly as important as the music itself.
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are you sure? what about mid-era husker du, guided by voices, volcano suns, early dischord, 'dragnet' by the fall, rem 'fables of the reconstruction' etc?

those are some terrible sounding albums with great song-writing.
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Yes, terrible sounding, but correct sounding. Those albums were great because the music suited that style of production. If they'd all been shined up a bit it wouldn't have been as good.


--- Quote ---what about if i produce your band and i just set up ten microphones and tell you to play live one take? could i really be justified in claiming that my input is just as valid as your music?
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Well that's not really production so much as engineering, and if it was your idea to just set up the microphones and not add any spit and polish, then so be it. If the sound works, it was your idea, and well done.


--- Quote ---what about the other way around? how many times have you sat and listened to a dreadful album because of the amazing production?
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Well, you may be right there, it is possible that I was overstating it a bit. Production may not be as important as the music, but it's still very important.

Gryff:
The Neptunes, Timbaland, Kanye West, Dr Dre, Rick Rubin etc.

These guys are so important to the records they've produced. Easily as important as, or in some cases (eg Gwen Stefani) more important than, the artist they're producing.

On the other hand, a lot of really great records could have been produced by anybody. It varies, I guess depending on how much input the producer has.

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