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J. Jacques Doesn't Care About Black People: A Hip-Hop Thread
Outshined:
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I'm still here.
In regards to musicians being bad role models, with songs about sex and violence: Yeah, it's true that basically every band does that. But it is the context and the intent behind the words that is important: rock bands usually gripe about how bad drugs messed them up or whatever, essentially discouraging listeners from doing the same thing. Rap, on the other hand, glorifies drug usage as a lifestyle. (The get drunk and bang mentality). I'm sure there are some rock bands just as bad, but with mainstream rap that is almost a necessary component in a popular song; how messed up is that?
Johnny C:
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I think his producing is overrated.
onewheelwizzard:
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--- Quote from: PrinceMyshkin ---Man, Outshined hasn't shown his face for a while.
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I'm still here.
In regards to musicians being bad role models, with songs about sex and violence: Yeah, it's true that basically every band does that. But it is the context and the intent behind the words that is important: rock bands usually gripe about how bad drugs messed them up or whatever, essentially discouraging listeners from doing the same thing. Rap, on the other hand, glorifies drug usage as a lifestyle. (The get drunk and bang mentality). I'm sure there are some rock bands just as bad, but with mainstream rap that is almost a necessary component in a popular song; how messed up is that?
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This depends on interpretation. I can listen to a rock star ranting about their drug abuse and think "Goddamn, he's a fucking rock star, what he does must be cool" and voila, the rock star is advocating drug use to me. I can listen to a rap star doing the same and think "Well, I certainly don't want to end up like him, better stay away" and said rap star is suddenly an anti-drug figure. I think a lot (not all, because there is definitely more intentional glorification of this stuff in rap than there is in rock nowadays ... but a lot) of people's problems with rap is that they percieve glorification when it's really an ambiguous message, and I've got a hunch that this is usually the result of a bias. That's OK, we've all got our biases, but I would shy away from objectively judging rap in this fashion, because if you listen to a lot of it with the intention of hearing an ambiguous message, I think you'll find a lot more of them than you did previously.
eternie:
In my college square yesterday there were bands playing, and there were these two guys rapping etc, and I was incredibly impressed. I have nothing against rap, just never found anything to get into.
PrinceMyshkin:
Outshined wrote...
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That's good to hear, man. Have you checked out an of the numerous artists that have been mentioned here? If you'd like anti-violent good rap, I'd recommend (just off the top of my head) Common, MF Doom (who goes by different names, most recently Danger Doom), Mos Def, The Roots, and Public Enemy. You also might like Flipsyde, they have good latin-sounding guitars. I'd love to hear what you think of any of those artists, or any other one you choose to listen to, for that matter.
By the way, I'm considering writing a paper called N.W.A: Nihilism Wit Attitude. It would be about the elements of nihilism within Straight Outta Compton.
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