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Signs of the apocalypse...
Borondir:
Like someone pointed out with Bach, referencing other musical compositions can hardly be post-modern, since this has been going on for a thousand years. Up until the renaissance, building on previous works was almost the only way to compose. And even later people definitely included themes from earlier works. In Bach's case, a lot of his choral music was built around old Lutheran chorale melodies.
As annoying as much of the modern music scene is, I'm not sure its any better or worse than any previous music scene. Hindsight is dangerous, we usually only remember the best of what came before, not the 90% other stuff that was bad. People complain about not having enough good composers today, but how many composers from the entire 18th century actually get significant play...like 5 or 6?
Bastardous Bassist:
I agree that there's a difference between using older material to create new material, and the post-modern referencing. Post-modern referencing is taking music and using it to demonstrate a knowledge of the tradition, rather than to use someone else's ideas (or re-use your own) to write music.
Also, my worry is that nobody from today's modern music scene is getting any play, not that none of them are any good. I mean, the most recent music of every era usually got some recognition, good or bad. It recieved publicity. The same cannot be said about music today. I haven't heard about anybody doing anything interesting. I mean, you've got your John Adams and you Thomas Ades and all that, but they only thing that makes them contemporary is that they're making music today. They're perpetuating the older ways of writing music. Who's actually coming up with new ways? I want to know, because I'd listen to them.
thermodynamics:
the whole uk grime - rap scene made its wy onto mtvU [their university channel i get at college] ...that is pretty progressive to actually be getting some play. not that its hit radios nationwide or anything yet, but it is making its way.
Bastardous Bassist:
I meant more along the lines of avant garde concert music, but it's always nice when music that is different from the mainstream starts to get airplay. Of course, that's usually because it's becoming part of the mainstream.
I don't expect any of what I'm looking for to get played on air, but I'd like to be able to find it in a record shop. My friend who likes that sort of thing has to get his CDs from this store in New York. Maybe I should bug him for some music suggestions.
onewheelwizzard:
--- Quote from: Bastardous Bassist ---Hell, I just saw my college's composers forum (where student composers have their pieces played), and some college-aged kids are able to create some truly good and innovative music. Why haven't I heard anything truly innovative on a CD in years?
--- End quote ---
What exactly do you mean? What sort of innovation was going on, and what sort of music would you call "innovative" at this point anyway?
Basically, what are the criteria for innovation? If all we're talking about is just stuff that doesn't really sound like anything that's been done before, well, I'm amazed that people aren't jumping all over stuff like Animal Collective and Acid Mothers Temple, because I sure as hell hadn't heard anything that sounds like either of them before listening to them, and I haven't since. And hell, AMT consider themselves retro and don't listen to anything produced after 1975 as far as I know (I'm taking this from interviews with a single member of the band).
What makes the college kids innovative, and why doesn't anyone current have it?
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