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Musicians suing fans?
Jedit:
--- Quote from: tommydski ---i'm more than happy to tell you the basis of my own arguments if you want.
i'd hate for people to only hear my side of the argument though because i have a history of being wrong.
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And history, as we know, tends to repeat itself.
I'm basing my argument on the back of having studied psychology at university and my first hand experience of what depressed people are like. I have friends who are being treated for depression, and they and/or their partners would be more than happy to ram their hand up your ass and rip out your still-living brain for suggesting that their life-altering problem is in any way comparable to feeling down over being stood up. In their absence, it behooves me to do it on their behalf.
<snaps rubber glove in menacing manner>
Or to put it in slightly less verbose terms: you're wrong again.
Slick:
I've seen far to many arguments end up with people bickering about concise definitions. It's why I have a bad habit of avoiding discussions with certain people that might end up that way.
No, I have not suffered clinical depression, but yes I have been depressed. Clinical depression is not something to be taken lightly, and most of us who haven't experienced it tend to underestimate it and think they're had it just as bad. We have no idea what it's really like.
That said, all my respect to all your depressed friends and all of mine, but I'll use the word depression to describe my feelings when I want too. The term has been snatched up to mean a very specific extreme case of what it defines, and now it seems it's offensive to the 'seriously depressed' to use the word for lighter cases.
Returning to an arbitrary number system (we all love numerical scales!), maybe only those at a 650+ point score are clinically or seriously depressed, but I was depressed when my dog died, I was depressed when a girl I was crushing on hooked up with someone else, and I get depressed if I think too much about world affairs. But I've never been to a point where I need meds or counseling. Or so I like to think...
I hereby reclaim the term 'depression' from the exclusive use of the psychologists, psychiatrists, and the very depressed, and return it to the hands of us, the people who feel down from time to time.
Rather Confused:
--- Quote from: DynamiteKid ---Screw your principles. Buy the CDs you want to buy.
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I don't stop myself for listening to music that I want. Just for buying CDs at shops which only really support crap like the RIAA. I'll download MP3s, go to the shows and buy a shirt. Besides there's no shortage of good non-RIAA CDs (some a little harder to get, but thats half the fun) to sate my hunger for tangelible music. :)
no one special:
--- Quote from: Moiche ---The point is that you, and I, and pretty much everyone else on this forum wouldn't care if all the big four pop artists died in a fire, music-wise.
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Pearl Jam? Smashing Pumpkins? Nirvana? Soundgarden? Stone Temple Pilots? The Doors? Prince? Led Zeppelin? Metallica? Bob Dylan? Ozzy Osbourne? (not to mention countless other influential and otherwise awesome bands)
I dunno, I'm guessing a good chunk of us would care if these bands never existed.
--- Quote from: qtownstegy ---Music should be seen as an art form, and if people want to pay you for it then that's a bonus. I'm sick of hearing pop bands bitching about losing money from record sales being down.
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Musicians should be glad they have the option to sell CD's - things are even worse in theatre.
At least with music people can preview and decide to buy. If I'm in a play I want people to see, I need them to shell out at least $25-35 (on the low end) based solely on word of mouth and the faint hope that the show got a halfway decent review in the paper. Imagine if musicians had to live solely on the concert, puttin' on 5 shows a week and praying some people decide to come more than once; and if they're in a larger market, one bad review can shut down their entire tour after only a couple of performances. Oh, and pretend that you don't have the luxury of a nationwide audience - you've gotta depend on the small number of people in one city that may decide to shell out their cash on your none-too-popular form of art.
Yeah, that's theatre.
--- Quote from: Kai ---Shit, man, if I was making music I would want to be able to eat. If you download it, at least like, make me a fucking sandwich or send me some pop tarts or something. Seriously.
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hahaha...WIN.
Garcin:
--- Quote from: no one special ---Pearl Jam? Smashing Pumpkins? Nirvana? Soundgarden? Stone Temple Pilots? The Doors? Prince? Led Zeppelin? Metallica? Bob Dylan? Ozzy Osbourne? (not to mention countless other influential and otherwise awesome bands)
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Heh. I was thinking pop as opposed to rock, folk, or metal. You know, Gwen Stefani and such. But still you're quite right, I should have written most rather than all big four pop artists are artistically irrelevant. After all, The Flaming Lips are at Warner Brothers too.
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