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Most people don't understand film as an artform
Ribbon Fat:
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--- Quote from: MWhaling ---That wasn't a misquote. I used an ellipsis to filter out some unnecessary words.
There are a lot of dumb, funny movies and even more dumb, entertaining action movies. The enjoyment of these in no way implies that enjoying other movies ("meaningful," as you put it) is a crime. Similarly, by simply enjoying these movies with "meaning" doesn't make you any better than those who enjoy movies that are solely "fun."
And shitty movies have always sold well and that's what they'll continue to do in a very similar ratio of good:bad since motion pictures were invented.
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you would have won the argument if we hadnt already been blown the fuck up
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No argument to be won here. I said I enjoyed Tarantino in another thread; I'm just opposed to his postmodern/nostalgiac/clever pastiche approch to filmmaking, which I hate. But I also I kinda like him. I had a "hella" (to use the parlance of our times) good time at Kill Bill.
It's all fake though. It's not art. It tells me nothing about life.
Johnny C:
--- Quote from: Johnny C ---What irritates me is ... people who steadfastly refuse to pour any thought into any filmgoing experience ever. At all.
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I'd just like to clarify that I used absolutes in there for a reason. Okay? And I'm not saying "How dare they have fun." I mean, it might have looked that way, from how I clearly declared my own cultural proficiency and denounced the intellect of people who view pure entertainment movies:
--- Quote ---I like me some Prozzak and Madonna and Kelly Clarskon and other vapid pop b.s., but I also like some thoughtful music. And frankly, the thoughtful music is usually something that I enjoy far more. It's the same for movies; I can enjoy a "Dumb And Dumber" but I'd still say that I appreciate, say, "The Quiet American" more. You follow?
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Or maybe not so much.
Look. I'm just saying that a little cultural literacy, open-mindedness, and appreciation of others' tastes - note that I never said their entertainment sucks, I just said that their attitude towards movies made for more than sheer entertainment value was a bad one - is good. And that it irritates me when people have none - none, the absolute - of those three.
So to clarify:
THINGS JOHN DIDN'T SAY:
-"Boy I sure hate entertainment."
-"Other people suck so much ass all the time."
-"Please bow before my mighty and vivacious brain. You do not have a choice."
THINGS JOHN DID SAY:
-"people who steadfastly refuse to pour any thought into any filmgoing experience ever. At all." (Note: Was excised by an ellipsis)
-"'Don't you ever go to a movie just for fun?'" (answer: yes. see below.)
-"I can enjoy a 'Dumb And Dumber'"
THINGS JOHN WILL SAY NEXT TIME SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION
-"I like 'True Lies,' too. Just so you guys don't have the wrong idea."
-"Hey, so who's excited for 'Snakes On A Plane'?"
Ribbon Fat:
--- Quote from: Scandanavian War Machine ---
--- Quote from: MWhaling ---That wasn't a misquote. I used an ellipsis to filter out some unnecessary words.
There are a lot of dumb, funny movies and even more dumb, entertaining action movies. The enjoyment of these in no way implies that enjoying other movies ("meaningful," as you put it) is a crime. Similarly, by simply enjoying these movies with "meaning" doesn't make you any better than those who enjoy movies that are solely "fun."
And shitty movies have always sold well and that's what they'll continue to do in a very similar ratio of good:bad since motion pictures were invented.
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you would have won the argument if we hadnt already been blown the fuck up
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No argument to be won here. I said I enjoyed Tarantino in another thread; I'm just opposed to his postmodern/nostalgiac/clever pastiche approch to filmmaking, which I hate. But I also I kinda like him. I had a "hella" (to use the parlance of our times) good time at Kill Bill.
It's all fake though. It's not art. It tells me nothing about life.
Kai:
Man, who DOESN'T like True Lies? True Lies is pretty much the peak of American cinema and it's been steadily spiraling downards ever since.
MWhaling:
there's nothing to enjoy in Dumb & Dumber.
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