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Ribbon Fat:
--- Quote from: DynamiteKid ---WYWH is my favourite Floyd album, one of my favourite albums ever, and I think it's the Floyd's greatest work. But, yes, I agree, it is not pop by any stretch.
As for Nevermind...I have seen that kid's dick WAY Too many times for my liking.
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Actually, it is pop by "any strectch"--literally, actually. So there's an extended instrumental section at the beginning and end. "Shine on You Crazy Diamond," once it begins, follows conventional song structure. The three songs that follow it are shorter and also follow a more conventional structure, and they're played on classic rock radio all the time.
Houdinimachine:
--- Quote from: KharBevNor ---All this doesn't change the fact that even good pop is pretty much on the lowest rung of good music. Doesn't make it not good, but there is so, so, so much better stuff.
Remember, indie pop is just pop that failed.
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Pretentious much?
Pop is just as artistic as anything you can think of... I'm sorry.
KharBevNor:
No it's not.
Pop is by definition written within boundaries that are geared towards widespread commercial success, ie popularity, whether it achieves this popularity or not. I suspect you have a wider definition of pop than I do: in my mind, whenever anything veers away from these boundaries or formulas and tries to chart new waters outside them and outside the thrust of mainstream tastes, then its no longer pop, despite any success it may have. I don't think of the later Beatles albums as pop, for example. Pop is the generally mediocre stuff off their early records that financed the experimental brilliance later. You can have good pop songs, but ultimately there's only so much you can do within those boundaries. I don't subscribe to the claptrap about 'polished pop gems', which is more pretentious than most things I've ever said: sometimes you can't polish to the three and a half minutes, if you know what I mean. The best music breaks boundaries, and pop has more boundaries than any other genre I can think of.
Houdinimachine:
See, I define pop by the subgenres all the way down to stuff like chamber pop. I'd include Sufjan Stephens and Belle and Sebastian as pop.
Ribbon Fat:
Just because the Beatles broke bouadaries doesn't mean they weren't pop in their later years. They simply redifined it.
Even Spirit of Eden, as experimental as it is, follows conventional song structure--it's just spaced out (in more than one sense). It wasn't until their next album that they abondoned conventional structure entirely.
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