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Rizzo:
So what you're saying Jibjib is that if it weren't for people cattle would be extinct? Cause they're from Persia and there isn't actually anywhere for them to live anymore. They have a much better life because they get to live in farms all over the world right?
I guess that's kind of like how black people in the US have a much better lifestyle than those in say Ethiopia? So I guess that makes slavery ok cause those black people in the US have a much better life now...
See what I mean? It's not the best analogy but it conveys the point.

And I'm sure cattle on small farms are much better treated than those in large corporate ones. It still doesn't make the corporate treatment of cattle right.

(And before people start berrating me, I eat meat. I also believe in ethical treatment rather than cruelty. I'm not implying that we shouldn't eat meat just that we should be concious of where it comes from and not consume more meat than we need)

jibjib:
hmm, that black person analogy is a good point, i didn't think of that. You could also say the the Irish potato famine was a good thing because it caused my family to move to america in poverty.  I guess it really puts the "means to an end" thing in perspective.  

all i meant was that the cattle we have here today are bred for the sole pupose of eating them.  a rather grim notion, no? i dont either advocate or oppose to that, i'm just putting out some ideas for people, trying to support the whole "being informed" thing.

(the ones we eat would kill us anyway...trust me, they've tried o_o)

nickyandthefuture:
I'm a vegan, and I don't see why I would be bothered with the shirt.  So he's proud of his choice of lifestyle; why does that affect me?  It's not like I expect everyone who isn't like me to be ashamed of himself.

I don't watch Nascar, but I don't get personally offended when I see a pickup truck with a "3" on it.  If I think anything about it, it's just, "there's a dude I don't feel like hanging out with."

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