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« on: 14 Aug 2006, 16:43 »

after roots manuva, dizzee rascal, a rogue big dada compilation, and the odd guest spot on US releases, i've pretty much got nothing.

so has anyone got some names or labels to chase up? i'm not particularly looking for instrumental hip-hop-esque ninjatune type stuff here, though. i've got enough of that for the moment.

i know i might have better luck on a proper hip-hop forum or whatever, but you guys seem to have pretty good judgement generally. so, hit me.



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« Reply #1 on: 14 Aug 2006, 16:44 »

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« Reply #2 on: 14 Aug 2006, 16:46 »

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i'm not particularly looking for instrumental hip-hop-esque ninjatune type stuff here, though
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« Reply #3 on: 14 Aug 2006, 16:47 »

i like Lady Sovereign. shes funny and unique, albeit a bit too much so at times.
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« Reply #4 on: 14 Aug 2006, 16:48 »

There new one has alot of actual rap on it as well as a few instrumental songs. They even have a rap song in French.
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« Reply #5 on: 14 Aug 2006, 18:26 »

Lady Sov is pretty good, it feels like her US label is kind of pressing her to britney it up a bit though, which is a bit sad.
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« Reply #6 on: 14 Aug 2006, 18:34 »

lol you know I was going to say the Streets before I saw that little bit at the end =P... oh well. hmm what else. Mmm some of the Artful Dodger tracks... 2step mostly , Monsta Boy heheh you realize both of those were name dropped in Skinner tracks =P.. but eitherway they are both decent. MC Wiley, he's in Roll Deep. Also the comp "Grime" off rephlex records is a good.
Also Run the Road on 679 Recordings is by far one of the best comps out there.
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« Reply #7 on: 14 Aug 2006, 18:35 »

Why does it need to be British? Hip-hop is hip-hop.
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« Reply #8 on: 14 Aug 2006, 18:42 »

Well not really.. rock isn't all rock.. I mean in a very general sense yeah.. but the hip-hop that the British have been putting out in the past 10 years has been very different than a lot of hip-hop stateside. Not to say that stateside hip-hop is any better or worse... there is a lot of US hip-hop that I absolutely love. There is a lot of Brit Hip-hop I love... there is even some russian and other euro hip-hop I love.. just like rock.. dividing it into different genres just facilitates discussion really. so .. yeah.
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« Reply #9 on: 14 Aug 2006, 18:49 »

Lady Sovereign is some of the most awful, cringe-worthy crap I've ever heard. The whole image and the lyrics and the voice and everything is bloody awful.

Why do Americans eat up awful chav shite? I don't get it. It's got to be a cultural thing, like how you guys generally seem to think the Streets are cool and dislike Goldie Lookin' Chain.

Actually, go listen to Goldie Lookin' Chain. At least they're amusing. Not to mention safe as fucking fuck, clart.
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« Reply #10 on: 14 Aug 2006, 19:00 »

there are some hip hop styled songs by 13 & God. or i could just be a complete moron.
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« Reply #11 on: 14 Aug 2006, 19:02 »

Heh, actually Goldie Lookin' Chain is pretty funny.
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« Reply #12 on: 14 Aug 2006, 19:26 »

Oh by the way KharBevNor The Streets aren't really that well known, most british hip-hop isn't, over here ... goldie lookin' chain doubly so. Is there any British hip-hop you do like? I can understand the dislike of the whole chav bit.... that sort of glorification is just as bad here as it is there... probably worse really .. but there is still some good music that comes out of it. /shrug/
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« Reply #13 on: 14 Aug 2006, 19:39 »

I think he likes Goldie Lookin' Chain  (to a point).
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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.

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« Reply #14 on: 14 Aug 2006, 19:46 »

I refer to the indie scene when I talk about you guys, because of, well, where we are. For example, I seem to remember the first two Streets albums were both in Pitchforks list of the hundred best albums produced between 2000 and 2005, and A Grand Don't Come For Free is rated 9.1, whilst Goldie Lookin' Chain don't even turn up a search result. On Tiny Mix Tapes, a remix EP by The Streets is rated higher than Straight Outta Newport, which the reviewer says is aimed at 'people who don't think much at all' and compares it to Insane Clown Posse, which I think is really, really, really missing the goddamn fucking point.

As I said, I think Goldie Lookin' Chain are pretty amusing, but I'm not generally a rap fan, and triply so not of the British rap scene, if it consists of what has been mentioned here, ie a glorification of everything that makes me want to leave the country. GLC is a complete piss-take of that, with the added    bonus that they're also liked by chavs who are too fucking stupid to get the joke: like how half of their members just stand around hardly doing anything to take the piss out of shite like So Solid Crew, and their burberry car, and how they're actually all middle class.

But normally the closest thing I like to rap is KMFDM, who I often think have a somewhat rappish style of delivery and approach to self-reference etc. especially on early albums (The song 'Sucks' from Angst, for example)
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« Reply #15 on: 14 Aug 2006, 19:51 »

Hehe, ok I understand. Heh, yeah I never knew about the comparison to ICP, they are just... well they aren't even farce and that's just scary. I've only ever heard some Glc stuff I wasn't aware that they were actually that popular in that scene =P that makes it even better.
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« Reply #16 on: 14 Aug 2006, 19:59 »

I watched an (American made, I believe) film called Green Street recently, which is about 'firm' football hooliganism, and the film makers picked GLC to be the music that a group of the hooligans plays in their car as they drive to administer a smackdown. I don't really know what that indicates, but I found it almost as amusing as the films premise, which is very amusing indeed.
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« Reply #17 on: 14 Aug 2006, 20:00 »

This doesn't add anything to the discussion at all, really, but I think Roots Manuva is fucking great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbuSdXKtJX4" target="_fresh">Watch this video for proof.

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« Reply #18 on: 14 Aug 2006, 20:04 »

Actually, I downloaded Roots Manuva's dub album (Dub Come Save Me) on a recommendation and it's not that bad. Some good tracks on there, from my limited knowledge of/taste in dub.
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« Reply #19 on: 14 Aug 2006, 20:05 »

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Lady Sovereign is some of the most awful, cringe-worthy crap I've ever heard. The whole image and the lyrics and the voice and everything is bloody awful.

Why do Americans eat up awful chav shite? I don't get it. It's got to be a cultural thing, like how you guys generally seem to think the Streets are cool and dislike Goldie Lookin' Chain.

Actually, go listen to Goldie Lookin' Chain. At least they're amusing. Not to mention safe as fucking fuck, clart.



I agree with Khar here-Lady Sov. seems a bit contrived to me. While I haven't really listened to much Goldie Lookin Chain, every time I hear the name I think of Gold Chains. Though he's neither from the UK (SanFran) or exactly hip hop, he is definitely entertaining (also great live!) Check out the "Rock the Parti" video on youtube-you guys won't regret it.

Salada, The Run The Road album is pretty good in the way of UK "hip hop", it seems as if it would be something you would enjoy. Roll Deep, Kano & Wiley are pretty good, & it's kind of a greatest hits for the UK grime scene. Some good hooks & beats.
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« Reply #20 on: 14 Aug 2006, 20:05 »

Is that the one with Elijah Wood in it? I've heard tale about it but haven't actually seen any press for it.
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« Reply #21 on: 14 Aug 2006, 20:08 »

Yeah, that's the one.

It combined a ridiculous premise with the glorification of football violence. Not one of the better films I've seen recently, though the acting and direction was competent.
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« Reply #22 on: 14 Aug 2006, 22:29 »

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there are some hip hop styled songs by 13 & God. or i could just be a complete moron.


Well you see 13 & God is comprised by Themselves(with Doseone from cLOUDDEAD) who are american and The Notwist who are German.
So not british but definitely great :)
I used to think that brit hiphop was better but it is merely different and have another distinctive appeal.
The only album I own is MIA - Arular which I would dare say is as much hiphop as it is anything else and she does rap.
On top of that it is bloody great and you should give her a listen if you haven't already.
I love GLC, really I do but the new one just seems like a rehash of Greatest Hits and I get the feeling that GH was in itself a rehash of the self-released albums they had done before. Suffice to say, you will only need one album and that is Greatest Hits or Straight Outta Newport for the yanks :)
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« Reply #23 on: 15 Aug 2006, 04:30 »

I generally dislike rap but for GLC I make an exception because they are pretty funny. And like Khar says it is hilarious the amount of chavs who like them also.
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« Reply #24 on: 15 Aug 2006, 05:21 »

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I watched an (American made, I believe) film called Green Street recently, which is about 'firm' football hooliganism, and the film makers picked GLC to be the music that a group of the hooligans plays in their car as they drive to administer a smackdown. I don't really know what that indicates, but I found it almost as amusing as the films premise, which is very amusing indeed.


Looking at that and the inclusion of Disturbed's Down With The Sickness, I knew this was a soundtrack I would remember fondly because it made me laugh so much.
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« Reply #25 on: 15 Aug 2006, 08:05 »

Cool, well then I won't waste any money or time on that movie then... it'lls how up on one of the crap movie channels at some point anyway.

On MIA, I agree... thats a good album. Fun.
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« Reply #26 on: 15 Aug 2006, 12:14 »

Americans don't much like British rap for the percieved lack of street cred.

I would say that most Americans would think Vanilla Ice had more street cred than any English person.

I saw Lady Sov. at Coachella. She was kind of hot? But whatever she was saying was lost in her accent.
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« Reply #27 on: 15 Aug 2006, 16:52 »

Mostly due to Khar and some other UK duders when I listen to UK hip-hop now all I hear is "chav chav chav".
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« Reply #28 on: 16 Aug 2006, 00:59 »

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Yeah, that's the one.

It combined a ridiculous premise with the glorification of football violence. Not one of the better films I've seen recently, though the acting and direction was competent.


I saw that movie a while ago as well, all the British slang kept me entertained.

Uk hip-hop can't possibly be as bad as Australian hip - hop thats all I can say.
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« Reply #29 on: 16 Aug 2006, 18:40 »

You might be interested to know that the vast majority of artists mentioned so far aren't even considered hip-hop in the UK.  Roots Manuva is and certainly Ninja Tune's Big Dada imprint is clearly a UK hip-hop label, but definitely DEFINITELY artists like So Solid, Lady Sov, The Streets and MIA are not seen as part of that because musically (and socially - London pirates, which clubs they play, labels they're signed to, what kind of audience they attract, etc) they come from a background of raves and garage.  Dizzee comes from the latter too, though he's obviously right into hip-hop... Still, to my ears the distinctions (musically and scene wise) are about as clear as between, eg. 70s British metal and punk, even if both did use loud guitars and are rock...

Anyway, I'm definitely not trying to turn this into any "what is emo, really?" bollocks, just thought you might be interested in some of the context of this music.

(To prove the above) I'd second 'Run The Road'.  It was billed as the first "true" grime comp (grime fans say Rephlex's 'Grime' compilation is actually "dubstep"!?), although leading grime DJs like Logan Sama have said it highlights the side of grime that's least rave-related and most hip-hop-related.

I know you said boo to Ninja Tune, but DJ Vadim's last two albums have been packed full of MCs and vocalists from all over the shop and frankly he shits on everyone.

Also on the hip-hop side of things, I like Phi-Life Cypher for their paranoid Rasta rants.  Try the audio page on their label's site.

I'd also recommend Skinny Man, Ty and Blak Twang, all of whom I think are probably on every Big Dada comp there has ever been. :)
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« Reply #30 on: 17 Aug 2006, 03:42 »

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cheers. i'm not booing ninja tune at all, it's just that i already have quite a bit of their stuff and am looking for something that's a bit more straight-up hip hop, if you know what i mean.

i might check some big dada stuff (never knew they were a ninjatune imprint, but i guess it makes sense). i don't have much vadim either, and people are always saying good things about him.

and i might check out GLC for some comic value, but frankly parody groups always seem to get a bit grating after 2 or 3 tracks and don't seem to have much in the way of repeat-listening value. still, i'll see i guess.

and scytale: it's not all bad. just most of it.
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« Reply #31 on: 17 Aug 2006, 15:59 »

This album came out quite a while ago, but I liked it
Lewis Parker's Masquerades and Sihouettes from Massive Attack's Melankolic label.
Not the most deft MC but nice production and enough Star Wars references to choke a bantha.

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« Reply #32 on: 18 Aug 2006, 14:28 »

I second the run the road comp

I love the grime sound, so much more sonically interesting and raw to me than british hip hop.  but I kind of feel that way about most hip hop made outside the states
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« Reply #33 on: 18 Aug 2006, 15:45 »

GLC are the shit. I've used Maggots hair straightners and I know his real name!


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