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Apple does something they should have done 10 years ago

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Kana:

--- Quote from: Mnementh ---
If you just like being an idiot or dislike them because it's the new popular thing to do, I can't respect that.

Ad Hominem attacks do nothing but earn you enmity.  If that's your goal I suggest you go elsewhere before you get banned.  Consider this your warning.
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I have to note that I am not at all advocating blind idiocy/dislike without a reason or flaming, but I do pose a question to you Mne.

While his attacks seem blatantly prejudiced and unfounded (or just a completely lazy poster), it can be argued that his persona is a reasonably expected one around any conversation concerning Macs at the current time.

Macs latest advertisements while sometimes pointing out facts are blatantly snidy, ill-made, and while I can see humor in them I still think they could of found a much more successful approach to market their products.

Pieces of trash computer manufacturers, ex: Dell/Gateway (completely founded/justified if you're any sort of computer specialist and not some huge company needing cheap computing power for simple solutions) advertise hype just the same but also in a manner that appeals to the consumer and hopefully entices them to buy into their gimic and appeal.

Mac's commercials seem nothing more than to be "Mine's better than yours and I'll say it with a big ass stick stuck far up my ass" kind of mentality which I'm sure still gets plenty of mac fanatics and maybe even some new consumers, but fails miserably for those in-between buyers like myself.

So the question is, how can you either be surprised or upset rather that some flamer/troll/idiot/whatever came into the thread to say "MACS SUXORS" when technically it wasn't perhaps the Mac users but Macintosh themselves that instigated the whole matter?  You tell a bafoon he's stupid for doing something and you have to be prepared to accept he's going to come back with something or other to defend himself or prove how much of a bafoon he is.

And just to note I am a graphic designer/3d modeler educated and at the moment freelancer as I work as a teacher in technology applications.  I built my own pc box with top of the line stuff keeping in mind to for easy upgrades so that this box can do heavy graphics and computing power and still be around in a few years easily enough without having to replace everything.  I used Macs the whole time while I was in college getting my degrees and even then some afterwards although I never owned one.  I seriously want to buy a Mac but the pricing is not worth the supposed edge in computing power to me (altho I am going to buy a new laptop and it will probably be a mac if I can scrap enough change by) at the time I made/bought the computer.  So I am not a Mac hater per se, but I am someone in the middle who quite frankly being a designer and experience in ad design wonder why Mac would go through the trouble to instigate and rile the pc fanatics against the mac fanatics.

P.S. No bans prz.. :)

Mnementh:
Rudeness is rudeness.  I went back and researched some of his other threads before warning him.

And as for the fanatics, yes, sadly you find them everywhere.  It isn't just Apple though, go to slashdot and try suggesting that someones favourite little peice of open source software just doesn't get the job done compared to an MS product.  Take your flame retardent keyboard with you.

Computers are tools, I'm more comfortable with a Mac since I've been using them all my life and as such I prefer owning them.  I also own a compaq that runs Ubuntu, as it is a useful tool.

As for the holier than though marketing campaign.  I enjoy the tongue in cheekness of it.  I also enjoy the fact that my apple stock is worth 6.7 times what it was worth when I bought it.  Beyond that, I don't care what people thing about it.  It's just marketing, you can choose to pay attention or not.

Catfish_Man:

--- Quote from: mberan42 ---See, Apple is like Notre Dame. If you went to Notre Dame, you're a Domer: all hard-core ND-green-and-gold-running-through-your-veins. If you didn't go to there, you don't particularly care for the school and you fucking hate the ND fanatics.

The same is true for Apple. If you own an Apple product (minus the iPod - that's a whole different argument), you're an Apple Geek: white-and-grey-coursing-through-your-veins want-to-have-Steve-Jobs'-babies/job/power/money. If you don't own an Apple product, you don't particularly care for the products and you fucking hate the fanboys.

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Amazingly enough it is possible to own an Apple product and have a clue (i.e. not be a platform bigot). Most technical Mac users that actually have a clue tend to use all three major platforms to some degree, and have a laundry list of problems with both Apple and the MacOS ( FTFF stands for "fix the fucking finder", an acronym that no longer needs explaining on Mac forums, much to my annoyance"). Basically, the fanatics give the rest of us a bad name. See http://funroll-loops.org/ for the Linux example of the same type, and this thread (or basically any other tech forum thread that Apple is mentioned in) for the Windows example.

That said, one of the reasons why the Apple fanboys tend to be so defensive is that attitude others have towards them. I have been punched, insulted, ignored, yelled at, discriminated against, and scorned for using a Mac. I've had the head of the CS dept. at a local college tell me to "get a real computer". In my case this has just led to a generalized hatred of platform bigots, but it's remarkably easy for it to turn into retaliatory bigotry.

In summary: I'll use whatever fucking computer I want to, and you can use whatever fucking computer you want to, and if you try to mock me for my choice you had damn well better have at least some knowledge of all three major operating systems, cpu and system architecture, programming, and UI design, because otherwise you're going to come off as looking really silly.

Summary of the summary: All computers suck.. I happen to prefer the way mine sucks.

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<edit> Just to be clear here, this was targeted at several people, not just mberan's post (which seemed mostly reasonable aside from the stereotyping). </edit>

Ozymandias:
I was just saying today that doing CS on a Mac seems perverse. It just...doesn't compute in my head. But, OTOH, neither does using Windows.

I prefer Linux if I'm doing anything CS related. I'm not a regular Linux user. I run XP on my computers. I can't stand the Cult of Torvald. But it just feels right to be using Linux, like I'm doing dirty CS work and I'm in the cave of CS just a-doin' it. Doing it on a Mac feels like sitting in a shiny room with pretty paintings and trying to mine for coal.

I'm reminded of one of my CS classes where the professor explains how to get some required file to work for Windows. Then someone asks 'What about Linux?' and he goes into some detail on that. Then one meek hand raises: 'What about a Mac?" and the class erupts into laughter.

Catfish_Man:

--- Quote from: Ozymandias ---I was just saying today that doing CS on a Mac seems perverse. It just...doesn't compute in my head. But, OTOH, neither does using Windows.
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Well, really it depends on whether you mean CS or programming. CS is arguably best done on paper ;) I always ended up getting out a notebook for datastructures class, although OmniGraffle came in handy as well. <3 that program :)

Programming, on the other hand, is generally best done on whichever platform you intend to sell your program on (or for non-money-making projects, the platform with the best API for the task).

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