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Top 5 albums from the nineties
AlexAttack:
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--- Quote from: KharBevNor on 01 Oct 2006, 15:56 ---It pretty much killed punk
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As a big fan of Jawbreaker, Leatherface, and other 90's punk bands, I am going to have to disagree with this so hard.
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Exactly. You can't trash every punk band from the 90s just because of Green Day, Offspring and Rancid (and then blink182). If anything it made the scene better. Because of all the interest generated other bands could get a little bigger. Of course a whole bunch of shitty MTV bands came out too but thats gonna happen with any style of music getting really popular really quickly. All my favourite punk bands put out the majority of their records in the 90s.
I'd love to know why you think the 90s sucked so bad for punk.
AlexAttack:
--- Quote from: tommydski on 02 Oct 2006, 08:22 ---i don't think kharbevnor would agree with you on what defines a punk band for one.
in fact, i don't think many people agree.
in fact, even i'm struggling. would a band like jawbox or hoover be considered punk? i honestly don't know.
can you name some examples?
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Ramones, Screeching Weasel, The Queers, Teenage Bottlerocket, MTX, Riverdales, Lillingtons, Groovie Ghoulies, Jawbreaker, Teen Idols, Fifteen, Born Against, Propagandhi, Descendents, ALL, Angry Samoans, Minor Threat, Face to Face, Social Distortion......
These are a few of my favourite bands. I would call them all punk bands. I've never heard of Jawbox or Hoover so I can't really comment dude.
Anyway unfortunately on the internet you can come off sounding like a jerk by accident sometimes and that was totally not what I intended.
And its true that alot of people won't agree on what is or isn't punk haha.
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: AlexAttack on 02 Oct 2006, 08:08 ---I'd love to know why you think the 90s sucked so bad for punk.
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Mainly a distinct scarcity of good new material by bands such as New Model Army, The Anti-Nowhere League, The UK Subs, The Dead Kennedys, The Misfits, Crass, The Sex Pistols, Stiff Little Fingers, The Ramones, MDC, The Damned, 999, Cock Sparrer*, Black Flag, X-Ray Spex, Bad Brains, The Slits, Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Adverts, GBH, Crisis etc. with what albums any of these bands still existing did release being few in number compared to other decades and/or not their best work. Also, almost no good punk bands I can think of sprung into existence in the nineties. Grasping at straws, I might say Amen and Anti-Flag, and neither of them are up to the standards of most of the other bands I listed. It's not a completely wasted decade of course, but compared to the 80's or 70's, it's nothing. It's also of course the decade of really, really, really shit pop-punk.
*Okay, Two Monkeys was actually really good, but I'm on a roll here.
Johnny C:
I don't think that because bands you enjoy from a certain genre didn't release good albums necessarily means that an entire decade of that genre's music sucks.
nuisance:
--- Quote from: Praeserpium Machinarum on 01 Oct 2006, 10:14 ---But to pick up on Nuisance's posts, it is certainly eye-catching if pretty predictable how rooted in 90's (indie) rock many of us are.
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Though it is a bit difficult to find albums completely free of rock influence, take the Jim O'Rourke album I mentioned. It doesn't have anything to do with rock superficially but it is made by a noted guitarist, same with a lot of minimalism - Fennesz, Growing, Geoff Mullen and so on.
It is just so all-compassing that I think it is inevitable to dominate these kinds of lists, even with the upheaval of the dance scene in the 90's.
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Awesome comments as per usual. A few more points about the direction the lists have gone:
This is the QC forums. I think that does bias things roughly towards Jeph's interests, as they come through in the comic. I have friends who have encyclopaedic knowledge of, I dunno, reggae, techno or hip-hop, but who wouldn't know any of the bands that are coming out on top here.
I reckon one of the key things about how both dance and hip-hop is generally consumed is it's not album-oriented music. It's about 12"s, remixes of other people, DJ mixes, nights out (where you don't know whose music you were listening to, just which DJ was playing it) etc. There are some albums that are considered classics, of course, but I think moreso than with rock people don't think of the album itself as a work, just a bunch of tracks. If asked about the great moments of Detroit techno or something most people would talk about singles.
About minimalists, there are plenty who come from a background in classical or dance music, or even visual arts - Taylor Deupree, Steve Roden, Akira Rabelais, William Basinski, Carsten Nikolai (Alva Noto) and basically everyone he's released on his label, Pan Sonic, etc. - although I guess most musos are not the ones to be blinkered about what they listen to or take influence from. Usually it's the fans who get territorial...
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