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cTony:
I love led zeppelin :D.


--- Quote from: DynamiteKid on 01 Oct 2006, 13:24 ---I also hate 'Stairway To Heaven.' It's got obvious chords, terrible lyrics, and a rudimentary solo that I could play within about two minutes of listening to the song for the first time.

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Probably their most overated song.. Go to their official website and hear Plant complain about it. :/
Its a POPULAR song, extracted by the taste of the majority.
Eg: I don't judge Metallica by the black album.


--- Quote ---And Jimmy Page's Satanism fixation just means I can't take them seriously.

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What does that have to do with music? For me, music spawns feelings and sometimes even thoughts. The music doesn't give satanic feelings.. Though i suppose plenty of other music often does.


Me? For 'In Flames', all i had was Come Clarity to judge them by, and had nothing else for a while.. That got some puzzled responses, but then i explained.

KharBevNor:
Well, I obviously loathe most of the indie canon stuff, whilst liking a lot of classic rock. Within the canon of music I actually like, well. Hmnnn... I think Slayer are terribly over-rated, though not to say they haven't got some cracking songs, and I never got in to Godflesh or any of the bands like Pelican or Isis, except maybe Sunn 0))) if you count them in that area. I think Carcass, At The Gates and Anathema are also over-rated, though nowhere near as much as Slayer. With Carcass I can't stand all the overblown worship of them in the death metal scene, with At The Gates I hate it how everyone says they invented melodeath, when they didn't (Edge of Sanity did) and I just don't think Anathema generally stand up to the early works of My Dying Bride and Paradise Lost. I generally don't like American style death metal, except odd dribs and drabs from odd bands: like I love 'To Serve Man' by Cattle Decapitation, but none of their other stuff. As foir other things, I've never really seen the point of NON (I find it pretty much pure masturbation), though I do like a lot of Boyd Rices other work. Some of those opinions are quite common though. As for the other way round, I like some hair metal, and I fucking love melodic black metal, especially the really awful shit. I would still class myself as a fan of Cradle of Filth, for example, their early work anyway. It's just so damn enjoyable!


Oh, and I don't like The Clash. At all.

Kid Modernist:
It's your turn to keep trying Tommy, The Clash are awesome.

I can't stand Rufus Wainwright's fucking crooning. Soooo annoying.

Thrillho:

--- Quote from: cTony on 02 Oct 2006, 08:06 ---I love led zeppelin :D.


--- Quote from: DynamiteKid on 01 Oct 2006, 13:24 ---I also hate 'Stairway To Heaven.' It's got obvious chords, terrible lyrics, and a rudimentary solo that I could play within about two minutes of listening to the song for the first time.

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Probably their most overated song.. Go to their official website and hear Plant complain about it. :/
Its a POPULAR song, extracted by the taste of the majority.
Eg: I don't judge Metallica by the black album.
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I don't in either case, I have given many listens to countless Zeppelin albums - as implied by my post, I feel - and dislike just about all of it.. I think another good addition to this thread is the fact that my favourite Metallica songs come after Metallica when they started pissing fans off, because they started not giving a shit and doing what they wanted. It resulted in the second worst material in their career, and yet 'Until It Sleeps' and 'Fuel' are two of my favourites.


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--- Quote ---And Jimmy Page's Satanism fixation just means I can't take them seriously.

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What does that have to do with music? For me, music spawns feelings and sometimes even thoughts. The music doesn't give satanic feelings.. Though i suppose plenty of other music often does.

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I just think that Spinal Tap has highlighted the ridiculousness of so many rock bands outside of their music. In The Song Remains The Same, the Peter Grant scenes are practically reproduced verbatim in Tap. It just means the band as people are a joke to me, and for some reason that means I find their music dubious. Oddly enough there aren't many bands where this effects my judgement, but it does for Zep, probably because I hated their music to begin with.

jeph:

--- Quote from: tommydski on 02 Oct 2006, 12:06 ---i've heard everything the clash ever did.
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--- Quote ---But I was there.
I was there in 1974 at the first Suicide practices in a loft in New York City.
I was working on the organ sounds with much patience.
I was there when Captain Beefheart started up his first band.
I told him, "Don't do it that way. You'll never make a dime."
I was there.
I was the first guy playing Daft Punk to the rock kids.
I played it at CBGB's.
Everybody thought I was crazy.
We all know.
I was there.
I was there.
I've never been wrong.
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I never particularly found Pavement all that exciting. Not that they're "bad" per se, just that they didn't do it for me.

Pretty much all punk rock I've ever heard bores me to tears. I think it's mainly the really, really monotonous chord progressions. Guys I know it is "punx" or whatever to only use four notes in your songs** but it is also "boring" and "not that hard to learn some other notes on your guitars". That being said, I know I'm not particularly well-versed in the genre (and yes I know there is way more to punk than four-note Ramones knock-offs and preposterous Warped Tour douchebaggery, but I'm simplifying for the sake of argument) so there are probably some gems I'm missing out on...I just can't be bothered to go looking for them when I already get my kicks listening to other stuff.

I can't get into most black metal because of the recording quality most of those bands seem to go for. I get the feeling I would probably really like the music if only I could hear it better.

**: This is really weird, because those same four note repetitions in any other genre can sound like absolute gold to me. I don't know what it is.

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