Topic: Grunge debate (Read 21387 times)

TynansAnger · « **on:** 04 Nov 2006, 14:27 »

Mudhoney's "If I Think" is the best grunge song of all time.

Argue with me.

Gridgm · « **Reply #1 on:** 04 Nov 2006, 15:03 »

the best grunge you can find isn't mainstream grunge and therefore it takes alot of searching to really find a good grunge song or at elast a good grunge band

AlexAttack · « **Reply #2 on:** 04 Nov 2006, 17:26 »

but what is grunge?

Gridgm · « **Reply #3 on:** 04 Nov 2006, 17:36 »

grunge is essentially downtuning an instrument and playing riffs

nirvana
(early) pearl jam
alice in chains
sound garden
smashing pumpkins
and so on

KharBevNor · « **Reply #4 on:** 04 Nov 2006, 17:57 »

It may well be, but choosing a best grunge song of all time is rather like choosing the cutest genocidal atrocity of all time.

AlexAttack · « **Reply #5 on:** 04 Nov 2006, 18:02 »

can we play that game? i stopped liking grunge after the 6th grade.

Ernest · « **Reply #6 on:** 04 Nov 2006, 19:54 »

Dinosaur Jr is grunge. Yep. They're still enjoyable.

ALoveSupreme · « **Reply #7 on:** 04 Nov 2006, 21:15 »

I don't remember many grunge tunes being very downtuned... everything off Ten was in standard, maybe Eb... but I wouldn't call that downtuned really.

ImRonBurgundy? · « **Reply #8 on:** 04 Nov 2006, 21:34 »

I thought Dinosaur Jr was like... proto-grunge.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #9 on:** 04 Nov 2006, 21:46 »

Grunge is a subculture, not a musical genre.

Sadly, most people see Nirvana as the band that defined grunge. This really sucks, because Nirvana was absolutely terrible and most other grunge bands were passable to good. In fact, I'm pretty much a big fan of every grunge band I know except for Nirvana.

Anyway, Alice In Chains - Love, Hate, Love

bff · « **Reply #10 on:** 04 Nov 2006, 23:34 »

you kids are funny

Scytale · « **Reply #11 on:** 05 Nov 2006, 12:08 »

I remember reading an interview where Geoff Tate claimed he started the grunge movement, I can't recall what he's exact argument was. It was something to do with Queensryche comming from Seattle and sparking intrest in the areas music or something, I found it amusing...

est · « **Reply #12 on:** 05 Nov 2006, 12:25 »

I think that Alice In Chains are probably my favourite grunge act from my ye olde teenage years seeing as they are the only ones I really listen to anymore. AiC's "Dirt" is one of those albums I can put on and listen to all the way through. I think that my favourite track on that album would be one of "Rain when I die", "Down in a Hole" or the title track.

Johnny C · « **Reply #13 on:** 05 Nov 2006, 12:38 »

Quote from: tommydski on 04 Nov 2006, 23:41

i'll be sure to mention that to my five year old daughter.

Actually if your five-year-old daughter is at all similar to any children I've ever met then the odds are that she actually is entertaining and enjoyable. Just sayin'.

Misereatur · « **Reply #14 on:** 05 Nov 2006, 15:05 »

From all of the grunge bands I used to listen to when I was younger I still listen to Soundgarden.
And sometimes to Nirvana's Unplugged in NY. That thing gets me everytime.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #15 on:** 05 Nov 2006, 17:25 »

Hey, what's up with all the hate for Pearl Jam these days anyway? Just wondering, since I still love them to death, but I'm pretty much the only one it seems.

P.S. Malfunkshun reuniting yay!

Storm Rider · « **Reply #16 on:** 05 Nov 2006, 23:19 »

Actually, I've always considered Pearl Jam and Alice and Chains to be the most listenable grunge bands. Unless you count Helmet as grunge.

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #17 on:** 05 Nov 2006, 23:21 »

Quote from: Misereatur on 05 Nov 2006, 15:05

And sometimes to Nirvana's Unplugged in NY. That thing gets me everytime.

Seconded. Great concert.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #18 on:** 05 Nov 2006, 23:48 »

Quote from: Storm Rider on 05 Nov 2006, 23:19

Actually, I've always considered Pearl Jam and Alice and Chains to be the most listenable grunge bands. Unless you count Helmet as grunge.

There's also Screaming Trees, which is some damn easy listening.

Misereatur · « **Reply #19 on:** 06 Nov 2006, 00:02 »

Yeah, Pearl Jam are pretty awsome.
Also, anything with Mark Lanegan in it is good.

Kai · « **Reply #20 on:** 06 Nov 2006, 00:56 »

I think Pearl Jam are downright awful. Really.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #21 on:** 06 Nov 2006, 02:08 »

I think your tie is ugly.

Storm Rider · « **Reply #22 on:** 06 Nov 2006, 05:40 »

Quote from: Kai on 06 Nov 2006, 00:56

I think Pearl Jam are downright awful. Really.

Note that I said 'most listenable'. I didn't say 'good'.

raf · « **Reply #23 on:** 07 Nov 2006, 04:12 »

green river(pre-mudhoney), mother love bone,.....
there is this cd compilation from documentary" HYPE" (about grunge) and u can find some old rare stuff
incl very early pearl jam (b4 debut album) mudhoney, 7 yerbitch and some more row almost punkish "real grunge"
fucking love soundgarden!!!!

AlexAttack · « **Reply #24 on:** 07 Nov 2006, 08:15 »

hype was an interesting doco. it had stuff about gas huffer and the fast backs. i didn't know that they were considered grunge.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #25 on:** 07 Nov 2006, 15:39 »

It's good that I don't take anything Tommy says seriously by default otherwise I probably would have thrown a fit over him calling Nirvana better than Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains. The only redeeming feature about some of Nirvana's work is Dave Grohl's awesome drumming.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #26 on:** 07 Nov 2006, 16:18 »

In Utero is worthwhile now? Heh, I must have missed the memo. Personally I would say Vs by Pearl Jam is a much better album.

Also, Pearl Jam only sounds like that on Ten which is argueably their worst album.

Inlander · « **Reply #27 on:** 07 Nov 2006, 16:53 »

Kinda disappointed nobody's mentioned Hole yet, specifically Live Through This. Personally I think it's one of the very few albums to emerge from the grunge frenzy with any genuine guts and emotion to it. (In Utero obviously being another, tommy!)

Misereatur · « **Reply #28 on:** 07 Nov 2006, 16:54 »

Tommy, I think you should give Pearl Jam's Vs. and No Code a listen.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #29 on:** 07 Nov 2006, 17:23 »

No Code is a pretty shizophrenic album though.

Misereatur · « **Reply #30 on:** 07 Nov 2006, 20:01 »

I heard a lot of people saying that No Code is a "fans only" kind of album, but I think its a very good sobered up album. Pearl Jam just tried to get away from mainstream after Ten's success and realesed Vs. and No Code, which are a lot better then Ten.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #31 on:** 07 Nov 2006, 20:23 »

It's not really a "fans only" album as much as an album that doesn't know what kind of album it wants to be. The softer and harder tracks sort of... clash... when the album is taken as a whole.

That's what it seems like to me anyway. It still has a couple of awesome cuts on it.

Misereatur · « **Reply #32 on:** 07 Nov 2006, 20:31 »

Well, that what makes it an interesting album. The songs suprise you at first because they seem to be in no order, but it kinds of grows on you. I would'nt take No Code in any other way.

Ernest · « **Reply #33 on:** 08 Nov 2006, 22:45 »

Pearl Jam's "Ten" < A lot of other Pearl Jam songs

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #34 on:** 08 Nov 2006, 22:50 »

The thing about "Ten" is that most things on it were written before Pearl Jam was even formed. It wasn't really written as a "Pearl Jam" album. Some of it was written for Mother Love Bone, some of it for Temple Of The Dog.

I think the only song written AS Pearl Jam on "Ten" is "Release", which is as far as I'm concerned the best song on there.

onewheelwizzard · « **Reply #35 on:** 09 Nov 2006, 00:39 »

I like Alice In Chains sometimes. It's a great fallback when I'm bored of whatever I've been listening to lately.

Screaming Trees made some awesome stuff, mainly because Mark Lanegan was (and might still be) the best male vocalist of his time.

Nirvana, Pearl Jam ... eh. Not the biggest fan.

E. Spaceman · « **Reply #36 on:** 09 Nov 2006, 02:03 »

When i was 14 i kind of liked No Code. I just listened to it again and i guess it's not bad but not really something i'd listen to. In Utero however is one rather good album.

To be fair though, I went to see Pearl Jam some years ago and it was one of the best times i've ever had since Sleater Kinney was opening, aside from that, Pearl Jam had the decency to not be too shit.

Narr · « **Reply #37 on:** 10 Nov 2006, 12:45 »

I think Pearl Jam has gotten better with age. I know a lot of people can't stand their new album released over the summer, which I think is a shame because I think it's some great stuff.

I think Soundgarden is my favorite grunge band, though. Chris Cornell's just got (or at least had) such an awesome voice. It's starting to cave out on him, though, which is really obvious if you listen to Soundgarden's recording of Loud Love and then Audioslave's rendition of it that was on the bonus CD to their Live in Cuba DVD. That makes me a sad panda.

I never listened to Alice in Chains as a kid, but recently started listening to them, and find I like them quite a lot.

Never did care for Nirvana. I think it's funny people who like "grunge" as in "more than just Nirvana" typically don't care for them as a band, and people who like Nirvana typically don't care much at all for any of the other popular grunge bands.

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #38 on:** 11 Nov 2006, 16:20 »

Pearl Jam has some killer live shows. They always have. Although they lost a lot of energy over their years. You won't see Eddie Vedder jumping on amps or stagediving from camera-cranes as soon anymore, nor will you see Stone not playing bass for half a song because he's too busy skipping over the stage swinging it around like an axe.

Pearl Jam's new album is a pretty big hit, Alice In Chains is touring and might return with a new singer under a new name, Malfunkshun is back together, The Smashing Pumpkins too I think, Chris Cornell is releasing a new solo album, new Seattle bands that sound like old style grunge are popping up, like Black Market Radio... anyone else think we might be heading for a grunge comeback soon?

Misereatur · « **Reply #39 on:** 11 Nov 2006, 17:26 »

But I threw away all of my flannel shirts!

Johnny C · « **Reply #40 on:** 11 Nov 2006, 23:09 »

Quote from: TrueNeutral on 11 Nov 2006, 16:20

anyone else think we might be heading for a grunge comeback soon?

I think there is another musical stage of the eighties we have to go through before grunge is cool again. I'm pretty sure this generation hasn't seen its Def Leppard yet.

E. Spaceman · « **Reply #41 on:** 11 Nov 2006, 23:22 »

I keep wishing for our generation's Sonic Youth

TrueNeutral · « **Reply #42 on:** 11 Nov 2006, 23:40 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 11 Nov 2006, 23:09

Quote from: TrueNeutral on 11 Nov 2006, 16:20
anyone else think we might be heading for a grunge comeback soon?

I think there is another musical stage of the eighties we have to go through before grunge is cool again. I'm pretty sure this generation hasn't seen its Def Leppard yet.

I think this time it's a reaction to nu-metal and post-grunge. As a "stop making our style seem so much shittier" type thing, y'know?

E. Spaceman · « **Reply #43 on:** 12 Nov 2006, 02:01 »

i don't see it,anyway, they are far too old to be my generation's sonic youth.

livingthelie · « **Reply #44 on:** 12 Nov 2006, 02:23 »

it's funny. i went back and listened to all the stuff i used to love when i was a kid (i.e. nirvana, pearl jam, et al.) and i honestly just don't like them at all anymore. i'm not sure if it's because they were genuinely awful, or if it's because my musical tastes have changed pretty drastically, or a little bit of both. but i will say that grunge and i no longer get along.

that being said, janes addiction is still the shit, yo.

oh, and the melvins aren't grunge. they are in a genre called fantastic.

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #45 on:** 12 Nov 2006, 02:31 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 11 Nov 2006, 23:09

Quote from: TrueNeutral on 11 Nov 2006, 16:20
anyone else think we might be heading for a grunge comeback soon?

I think there is another musical stage of the eighties we have to go through before grunge is cool again. I'm pretty sure this generation hasn't seen its Def Leppard yet.

The Darkness?

Lord, please, no ... but ... the darkness?

Johnny C · « **Reply #46 on:** 12 Nov 2006, 07:35 »

No, because they weren't serious about it at all. Until we get a new band mimicking Motley Crue - taking themselves dead fucking seriously while playing poppy "metal" like "Kickstart My Heart" or whatever - then we haven't been through the worst of it yet.

Inlander · « **Reply #47 on:** 12 Nov 2006, 08:08 »

DEF LEPPARD BELONGS TO EVERY GENERATION.

E. Spaceman · « **Reply #48 on:** 12 Nov 2006, 11:14 »

Quote from: tommydski on 12 Nov 2006, 02:27

well, do you want another sonic youth, emilio?

remember they 'broke punk' and we had to deal with every band signing to a major and usually belly-flopping. and silverchair. my god.

yes, three of them, at once.

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #49 on:** 12 Nov 2006, 17:14 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 12 Nov 2006, 07:35

No, because they weren't serious about it at all. Until we get a new band mimicking Motley Crue - taking themselves dead fucking seriously while playing poppy "metal" like "Kickstart My Heart" or whatever - then we haven't been through the worst of it yet.

Good point. Though ... some Motley Crue wasn't all THAT bad.

Well, it was then, when there was nothing else, but with hindsight ...

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TynansAnger

AlexAttack

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TrueNeutral

Scytale

TrueNeutral

TrueNeutral

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raf

AlexAttack

TrueNeutral

TrueNeutral

TrueNeutral

TrueNeutral

TrueNeutral

Narr

TrueNeutral

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livingthelie