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timehat:
--- Quote from: !!!CPAOI!!! on 16 Nov 2006, 21:01 ---I can't really argue with the 1st point (I'm not familiar with those other acts with the exception of Agalloch) or the 3rd (I haven't heard Dani Filth sing) but I take issue with the 2nd.? I don't find their bridging to be clumsy at all, and part of what makes an Opeth track for me is how each section complements the other elements of the composition.? I've never listened to an Opeth song that I thought should have been divided into several distinct parts.
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I think they probably could stand to split their songs up or at least reduce the amount of straight repetition. I really like Opeth, but I think that Mikael Akerfeldt is a pretty terrible songwriter in some aspects. If you want to make a really long song, I think it's best to come up with several ideas for restatement of your materials rather than crafting completely new sections to repeat without change 8 or 16 times until you hit the 13 minute mark.
BeoPuppy:
I fall for opeth every time.
And I really don't like them. At all.
But every time there are Opeth fans near, or there's a discussion such as this and I think:'13 million Opeth fans can't be wrong!' ... and then I listen to them again and think:'Oh, wait ... they can.'
To me they are an example of a band whose hype is better than their music.
Misereatur:
I'm a pretty big Opeth fan, I think I've spent more time listening, talking about them, and actually buying all of their albums then most of the Opeth fans I know. And tell you the truth? Even I think that they're getting more attention then the deserve.
Also, is anyone else disappointed with the last album, Ghost Reveries?
Scytale:
--- Quote from: !!!CPAOI!!! on 16 Nov 2006, 21:01 ---I don't find their bridging to be clumsy at all, and part of what makes an Opeth track for me is how each section complements the other elements of the composition. I've never listened to an Opeth song that I thought should have been divided into several distinct parts.
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I agree with CPAOI here.
I actually think Opeth are incredibly good at structuring songs. "My Arms Your Hearse" is a perfect example, that album is one of the most cohessive concept albums I've heard. In fact, I would say It's one of the only concept albums I've heard where the music actually drives the story rather then the lyrics. The way that albums put together with the cyclical lyrics, the interludes (with the unspoken lyrics) to represent the change of the seasons and the music in the songs portreying the emotions of the characters is incredible.
I get choked up during the transitionary part of "When", (the part following "In dismay, strangest twist upon her lips. Graven face, she said my name." ) you can just feels the narators pain as he relaises she's trying to move on, the music becomes almost a dirge as the clean singing comes in then the music picks up again and starts becomming more frantic, he starts pleading to in desperation ("When can I take you from this place"). Then just as it peaks you go straight into the slow tempo of the interlude"Madrigal" where the narator slips into self pity as the Spring ends and summer begins. then you get the transisitions into "The Amen Corner" which keeps Madrigal slow pacr and slowlys builds in intensity as he starts gets disgusted with her for turning to Religon to deal with her grief ("Finding solace in the words I do despise"). Then it conitunues as he realises how much she's changed and he starts feeling sorry again, the acoustic part hits ("The bond we never spoke of, once stark and enticing, now slowly smoldering to dust").
Well you get the idea not once in that album is there a riff out of place or unneccisary repition. I could go on and on about MAYH for hours so I'll stop now but suffice to say, anyone who criticises Opeths song writing seriously need to have a sit through MAYH. Every riff on that album adds to the story it's incredible.
So yeah I'm an Opeth fan and I think they deserve all the credit they get, at least on their first three albums, they are near flawless IMO. "Still Life" and BWP are good but they just don't evoke the same feelings as the early stuff. "Deliverance" and "Damnation" they were sort of testing the waters for "Ghost Reveries" I'd say and as for GR, I'm still unsure how to take it, it's deffinately their most progressive album and I think Per makes a fine addition (I absolutely love the mellotron sound he gets). I'm very interesting in the direction they head now as GR definately harkens the start of a new 'era' for Opeth,
Scytale:
--- Quote from: Misereatur on 17 Nov 2006, 17:09 ---Also, is anyone else disappointed with the last album, Ghost Reveries?
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Excuse the double post but you must have posted while I was typing my reply, as I mentioned above Ghost Reveries is definately them shifting their sound away from extreme metal and more towards the prog rock side of things. You could sort of seem them building to this. It is dissapointing that there stepping away from the sound I love from them but it's also going to be interesting to see what thy come up with I think the tracks that make up the middle of that album "Beneath the Mire", "Atonement" through to "Hours of Wealth" are a pretty good indication of where they'll be heading.
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