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Opeth Discussion
Scytale:
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Opeth surely aren't the most original band that has ever written and recorded music, but there isn't anyone else who sounds remotley like them within the metal genre. I don't think that praise from them steals any "thunder" from bands like Edge of Sanity, early Amorphis, Agalloch, the first 2 Ulver records, or Vancouver's shitty and incredibly overrated within the underground Woods Of Ypres. Opeth have their influences within the metal genre, and surely they wear them on their sleeve, and most of those influences are early 90's Swedish death metal (see Entombed, Dismember, Cardinal Sin, etc.) but they are influenced just as much if not more by 70's progressive artists such as Camel and Comus.
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Dan Swano also produced their first two albums which could explain the EOS similarties.
David_Dovey:
I don't understand the reverence a lot of people ave for the first two Opeth albums. To my ears, Morningrise is akin to a baby horse trying to stand up and walk for the first time, sometimes being able to break into a full run, but stumbling a lot of the time also. Move forward to My Arms Your Hearse, and the horse is now running like the wind, unstoppable.
Opeth are a band that keep getting better and better. Perhaps the new album isn't the best of their career (For me, that's Blackwater Park) but it definitely stand head and shoulders above the (IMO) less-inspired thrash/Gothenburg style of the first two albums.
Scytale:
--- Quote from: David_Dovey on 19 Nov 2006, 09:41 ---
Opeth are a band that keep getting better and better. Perhaps the new album isn't the best of their career (For me, that's Blackwater Park) but it definitely stand head and shoulders above the (IMO) less-inspired thrash/Gothenburg style of the first two albums.
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There is nothing Gothenberg or thrash about the first two albums (Fewer clean vocals does not equal Gothenberg) and Thrash inspiration??. Orchid sounds jazz inspired if anything (listen to the drumming and bass) and Morningrise is definately their most fok inspired album.
To me Morningrise is amazing, the defining moment of their career. "The Night and the Silent Water" is my favorite Opeth song, the last 7 minutes of that is pretty much musical Nirvana for me (From "Am I like them, those who would mourn and then turn away" onwards). Nectar has also got to be up amongst the 5 best songs they've written as well and damn Black Rose Immortal (which was originally meant for Orchid), even Mikael calls that song their Opus...
Just because its not "Heavy" like MAYH doesn't mean people should shun their early stuff or write it off as uninspired.
I'd say my top 5 Opeth songs are:
1. The Night and The Silent Water
2. The Apostle In Triumph
3. When
4. Nectar
5. Under the Weeping Moon
David_Dovey:
--- Quote from: Scytale on 19 Nov 2006, 10:23 ---
There is nothing Gothenberg or thrash about the first two albums (Fewer clean vocals does not equal Gothenberg) and Thrash inspiration??. Orchid sounds jazz inspired if anything (listen to the drumming and bass) and Morningrise is definately their most fok inspired album.
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I hear an awful lot of harmonised and tremolo picked riffs, particularly on Morningrise, in other words hallmarks of MDM/Gothenburg, and some riffs on there just make me think "Metallica". Hell, even Akerfeldt has (ableit in an indirect way) mentioned that that's what the early Opeth sound was on the "Lamentations" DVD.
--- Quote ---Just because its not "Heavy" like MAYH doesn't mean people should shun their early stuff or write it off as uninspired.
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That as nothing to do with my reasoning for preferring Opeth's later work. In fact it has nothing to do with it. "Damnation" is my second favourite Opeth album... I just think the things that make Opeth great and completely unique among metal bands is more readily apparent on the later albums, and there was a quantum leap in maturity and songwriting skill at the time of MAYH, which has been continuing ever since.
amok:
--- Quote from: Scytale on 19 Nov 2006, 10:23 ---To me Morningrise is amazing, the defining moment of their career. "The Night and the Silent Water" is my favorite Opeth song, the last 7 minutes of that is pretty much musical Nirvana for me (From "Am I like them, those who would mourn and then turn away" onwards). Nectar has also got to be up amongst the 5 best songs they've written as well and damn Black Rose Immortal (which was originally meant for Orchid), even Mikael calls that song their Opus...
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Well goddamn, you stole my answer :) yeah, Morningrise is the best. My only gripe with that CD was that "Black Rose Immortal" was 5 minutes too long for the hell of it. They could easily have sliced off the last bit of the track (after he whispers 'Black Rose Immortal') and tacked it on afterwards as a separate song. The whole 20+ minute ensemble just feels a bit too long to my ears, not that there's anything wrong with any of it.
The Night And The Silent Water is by far their best song and the last track from that one is sublime, too.
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