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[alexalexalex]

Post-hardcore is....

FUGAZI!

[Ernest]

obviously anyone who knows anything likes Refused.

The Fall of Troy have some pretty great qualities.  Their guitarist is ridiculously skilled, and for being pretty poppy, they have some good tunes.

While I hate the vocal style, I love their constant changing of time signatures, and cool beats.  In short, I like the band for their technical qualities.

Now, Refused, I just like because they're awesome.

[ImRonBurgundy?]

I can't believe I never mentioned Kid Dynamite nor Paint it Black in this thread.

[a pack of wolves]

Yeah, I think it's pretty subjective.

I would consider Converge posthardcore because their sound has moved beyond hardcore and their lyrics tend to be more emotional than your average hardcore band. I also include Modern Life Is War (probably unfairly) and Circle Takes the Square (more fairly termed screamo).
Then again most genres are quite subjective.

Bands like MLIW are doing amazing things with hardcore and it's not necessarily "postifying" it.

Circle Takes The Square! Now that's a hardcore band doing something new and exciting. Thanks, you have succeeded in proving me wrong that my beloved core is becoming moribund. They really need to do a new record though.

I see what you mean about Converge, particularly on the last couple of records, but what about tracks like Homewrecker or going back Buried But Breathing? They're pretty traditional hardcore, so I always think of them as widening the scope of the genre rather than moving beyond it (rather like CTTS).

[Ernest]

I love Cursive!  I was going to see them recently, but I had to cancel those plans because of like, papers being due and that garbage.

[Johnny C]

Every scene has its fair share of shitheads...we'e covered that already.? Khar's estimation is as right as it gets, 95% of "my" scene sucks, but probably so does 95% of his.? So does 95% of the indie scene, I could go on and on.

I guess the crucial difference for me is that the cute girls aren't bizarrely attracted to the 95% of guys in the metal scene or the indie scene.

[alexalexalex]

Circle Takes The Square! Now that's a hardcore band doing something new and exciting.

Using big words? 

Sorry, I do quite like them, but in saying that I haven't put the cd on in a year or more. I saw them play in edinburgh once, it was the only time I ever saw people from my town travel to a show. They were all wobbling about with one finger in the air (the audience, not CTTS). T'was a bit of a strange experience

[BillyxRansom]

What about at Prog concerts where people bring foldout chairs with them to sit down in the front row and watch...

 More Kylesa love on this forum please.

YES. kylesa IS love. i need to see them.





NEED.

[a pack of wolves]

Circle Takes The Square! Now that's a hardcore band doing something new and exciting.

Using big words??

Sorry, I do quite like them, but in saying that I haven't put the cd on in a year or more. I saw them play in edinburgh once, it was the only time I ever saw people from my town travel to a show. They were all wobbling about with one finger in the air (the audience, not CTTS). T'was a bit of a strange experience

Yeah, the emo kids do do that. I must confess there have been times when I've done it myself, even though I do know it looks pretty daft. Then again, what dancing doesn't?

Anyway, CTTS. I wasn't thinking of the use of big words, no. After all, Bad Religion did that in their own repetitive artless way. It's the way As The Roots Undo is very much a single piece of work instead of a bunch of songs put together, and the structures they use within it. That's a bad way of putting it but I've never been terribly good at writing about music. All I can say is that when I first heard that record I was a little bored with hardcore in general, and it reaffirmed my faith that people could do new and interesting things within the genre.