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Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
FireStarter:
Ok, One I went on youtube and started watching Sufjan videos. I detest the man, pretty much in the same way I detest Ayn Rand. He tries so hard to be "artistic" he just ends up babbling and making no fucking sense at all. (Ayn Rand has PERSONALLY STATED she started writing with the intention of making literature, wtf? who the fuck granted you the right to decide what society as a whole considers literature.) I will say the same thing about Sufjan. He tries to do something that JUST FUCKING HAPPENS NATURALLY. Why do we all know who Godel, Escher and Bach are? is it because of some little known book written about them? or is it because they actually WERE great at what they did? Fuck all this pretentious bullshit, fuck all you gun toting hip gangster wannabies. If he is >good< you won't be around when society deems to grant him the label "Classic" There were HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people that had HUGE followings that no body has heard of today. There are some exceptions to things that are considered "classical" that are in fact shitty...Jane Austen? Oh yeah we've all been forced to read the "great" piece of "literature" that is Emma. Know why that's not "classical" because you can find the same type of writing in today's world published primarially by companies like Harliquin. It's a shoddy titilation romance novel, that stayed around because it's old. Elvis is >not< great, why? well perhaps because he's a fucking theif? (I don't need to support this you all know or should know what I'm talking about here)
Sufjan will remain where he is, an overly wordy idolized pretty boy who is popular because he's good looking and pseudo-intellecutal (sp? I don't care I'm not writing a graded paper here) I can garauntee this to you why? because I have way more intelligence than he does, but I don't shroud myself in an aura of Artistic Mystique because I abhor Artistic Mystique, it's a sham, wake up smell the coffee (not that under roasted shit they serve you at starbucks for $10 a cup, and convince all the yuppies it's great coffee.) Lavatazza Coffee, or one of the small European Cafe's in Heidelberg. ESPECIALLY the one that has Samuel Clemmen's own graffiti on the table. If you want to steep yourself in quality, live in Europe for a year, attend a >REAL< Orchestra performing in building that has remained the same since Bach had the privledge have his music INTRODUCED in. Yeah, he's a >REAL< composer, not that poser of one you call Sufjan.
Folk? Beck's fucking "folk" Bob Dylan's folk Blue Grass is folk Sufjan's somewhere between Def Leppard Covering Ode to Joy and some dirty old hobo on the street corner with a 6 string guitar strung wrong with 2 strings missing and a coughing fit for vocals.
Kahr's cat = pwn. (Kaetz sind Kreig?)
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: ScrambledGregs on 01 Dec 2006, 22:19 ---All I ever see Khar post is obscure/underground bands that vaguely fall under the metal genre.
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...and goth rock, and darkwave, and ethereal, and prog rock, and industrial, and ebm, and neo-folk, and folk, and folk-rock, and classic rock, and psychobilly, and punk, and experimental, and power electronics, and krautrock, and avant-garde, and new wave, and post-punk, and classical...
I'm not, in fact, judging Sufjan by the standards of metal at all, but by the standards of folk. By which standards he is clearly found wanting: his work is pretentious, over-prettified, lacks any real emotional power or immediacy, is unoriginal (yet claims originality through pretentious instrumentation and lyrics that add nothing to the quality of the music), is socially irrelevant and claims a false 'man of the people' status through the ridiculous '50 states' device.
supersheep:
Right. So Elvis was a thief because he based his music on those who came before him? OH NOES! Also, people who say "I am more intelligent than X" generally aren't. Thirdly, spelling and punctuation makes things easier to read, so care about them. Hell there is a spell checker on the bloody forums. And finally, you seem to be suggesting that the only people who make music worth listening to is classical music...
FireStarter:
No, I'm just saying when you say someone is a "great" you need to be holding them up to someone ALMOST THE ENTIRE WORLD would agree with you when you say they are "great". And my claim to be more intelligent than Sufjan Stevens is like saying I'm smarter than a bleached cow skull, it's not that big of a leap to claim that. Spelling and punctuation do make things easier to read, I was raised by a math teacher and someone with an english degree. I can write, I can type, hell I can even obfuscate with the best of Sufjan's in accessable works. The problem with me is I actually end up saying something with a point when it's all over, and the silence has claimed the restless dreams of the capable few. Perhaps you all missed the giant neon sign of esoteric references in my previous post. Or perhaps you'd like to go re-read the passage by Elijah written on the tiles at L' Lefant Plaza in D.C.? Or maybe you prefer the pretty words that ring as hollow as the 'o' in God? Wait maybe I am riding this spiral way to far out to the places no one's been before. Pardon me, but the pretentious bullshit some people taut as being great, makes me want to perform the monk flammbe. Or am I refering to things you've never taken the time to actually listen to? Or does it matter if something is inaccessable, so long as it seems greater than it actually is. Just because it makes no sense doesn't mean it's too deep for you to understand, it might just mean it actually doesn't make any sense. I haven't said that Classical is the only music worth listening to, reread my post a few times you might find some hints as to what I listen to. Damn, that's a bit too obvious. Classical can be inaccessable at times, but it still holds a beauty that is hard to match, I don't listen to only classical. Just like I don't just eat 70% cacao chocolate, sometimes it's nice to have something that is as rich, but not as complex. BUT I do not hold Hershey's to the comparison of Lindt.
Did I obfuscate too much? Or should I through in more obscure references to hide what I actually want to say? Even if I did, you would still understand my words even if you don't get the references, Sufjan doesn't do this, he obfuscates and clouds his words to the extent that there IS no content, just words that can be sung strung together in ways that vaguely resemble sentences, though Subject Verbs and Predicates are few and far between, and when they exsist they make NO SENSE when put together. Intricacies excrete like human bile. Wasted unwanted, unflinching smiles. Darkness forboding wandering vastly, nothing connects to the futures passed. Anyone with English Comp (university level) can do the shit Sufjan does, doesn't make him original.
Oh, and elvis wasn't a thief because he based his music off of the forefathers to his genre, he's a thief because he STOLE ALL HIS MUSIC FROM PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF. Elvis was unoriginal, uncreative (except for his dancing) he was just a white face put on the music made by people the record companies didn't want to pay because they were BLACK. ELVIS WAS PRE-CIVIL RIGHTS, ASSHOLE. Don't ever fucking forget that fact either.
Joseph:
--- Quote from: FireStarter on 02 Dec 2006, 06:29 ---Oh, and elvis wasn't a thief because he based his music off of the forefathers to his genre, he's a thief because he STOLE ALL HIS MUSIC FROM PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF. Elvis was unoriginal, uncreative (except for his dancing) he was just a white face put on the music made by people the record companies didn't want to pay because they were BLACK. ELVIS WAS PRE-CIVIL RIGHTS, ASSHOLE. Don't ever fucking forget that fact either.
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Doesn't make his music any less fantastic.
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