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James Joyce: What say you??
Narr:
--- Quote from: elcapitan on 06 Dec 2006, 14:48 ---It strikes me as interesting that Orson Scott Card gets held up in (presumably, since you're mentioned that you are one) Mormon circles as a commentator on literature. I wonder if he would be accorded the same respect if he wasn't Mormon too?
Not trying to insinuate anything, I'm legitimately curious.
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He's a professor at my college. I bring him up for that reason more than any other. That is a good question, though. He got his start writing plays that were more or less toward the Mormon community and worked for a number of years as an editor of an LDS magazine.
@Khar:
I've tried reading stream of consciousness and it's all crap.
Manta Ray:
--- Quote from: Ozymandias on 04 Dec 2006, 01:30 ---James Joyce is a fuck and I hope he's getting fucked in his ass in hell.
Portrait is the worst goddamned book I have ever been forced to suffer and it fills me with murderous bored rage.
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That is pretty fucking harsh. Joyce did not force you to read his book. Presumably your teachers did, not Joyce. I don't think Joyce would give a damn for your opinion and would certainly not expect you to read his book.
Guys, Opinion can't really be debated - you either like it or you don't. For those who don't though, take a little time to think about it, and read it some more before judging.
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: Narr on 06 Dec 2006, 19:22 ---@Khar:
I've tried reading stream of consciousness and it's all crap.
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I bet you have not read Illuminatus!
Read it.
ScrambledGregs:
--- Quote from: KharBevNor on 06 Dec 2006, 17:13 ---The authors of my favourite book (Illuminatus!) liked Joyce enough to emulate his writing style, make him a minor character and paraphrase Mollys monologue from the end of Ulysses in its entirety. The book also incoporates the Cthulhu mythos and features a cameo from HP Lovecraft that makes fun of his arrogance and bigotry. Oh, and there's zombie nazis.
Anyone who thinks the modernist stream of consciousness/internal monologue/non-linear narrative style is crap really needs to read it.
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I'm drunk enough that I don't know if that's either the worst idea for a book ever, or the absolute BEST. I do agree with your point wholeheartedly. I don't think all stream of consciousness is awful. I like confusing/hard literature, not to mention outright drug induced or bizarre, but Joyce is just not worth it.
bujiatang:
I wrote a buch of essays on Wilde a while back, and I use the cucumber sandwhiches to confuse people. Why would I make a point with cucumber sandwhiches? becasue I think it is an absurd thing to do. He did it on purpose, and so I go all Ibsen on their asses and bludgeon people with my point. Like slamming a door. And pissed when german theaters have her come back in. Exactly the same. accept we aren't talking about Ibsen, or Wilde.
Confused?
this is all evil in modern thought: poorly written and glossing over major authors.
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