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CaptainLorax:
I have observed things when visiting this forum.
little things... little things...
But today the observations come through the eyes of a hater  :x
Ever notice how some people prefer Birght Eyes to Tortoise.
Conor uses his emotion Lavishly.
Tortoise is often more subtle.
Do you agree?


Now if you take the word subtle and define it you get: [1] Be difficult to detect or grasp by the mind
Why do people often prefer music that is so easy to grasp? [NEW INDIE BAND], for example, sounds like anthems for teenagers (and only teenagers) because the music sounds overly corny/cheesey while Nirvana, on the other hand, sounds like anthems for everyone since it obviously deserves the cred.

Tortoise is one of my top 10 favorite bands because the way the music moves me. Now, you may ask, how can something so "boring*" move me? My answer is "how can you say that it is boring?"  People can bounce to its tight beats, and be in awe of the instrumental precision,complexity and originality. They can also lose themself in its' ambience. ( if you listen to A Lazarus Taxon album, its like floating through a picture)

Now back to the point.
My questions to you is, why is your favorite band your favorite band? (is it because of previous favorite bands led you there?)
My other question is "can you tell me a sample song" so I know what you are talking about?


After living 23 years of life, times, and hardship, the same old music formulas get old (the new generation of power rock/metal ) and the music that really means something isn't the blatently EMO crap (like the crap they play on mtv(which I assume that people who need that 'hard' of emo to begin with must have some sort of emotional deficit). I respect that people have different tastes or esthetically pleasing music, but why do people get hung up on music that sounds so utterly crappy to me, the guy who thinks he heard it all? Yeah, this post might sound like snobbery but I am the type of guy who thinks that people can't be broken down into 5 or 6 emotions. I believe there is much much more emotions... some that only certain music can unlock or reopen.

Its just that after returning to this questionable content forum several months later,  I still feel the same despise for many of the 'serious(ly boring)' comics which are mostly tongue in cheek humor and Chick-Lit (why do people like the drama in the QC comics?).
I also feel the same despise for people who mention songs or bands, that are the equivalent to Cher (in my mind), and then recommend them to other people.  I am biased, because I orginally came to this site because some friends of mine told me how they hated it. I would like to know what kinda people you are and what kinda music you all listen to. I might have got the wrong impression of you all because I only have read less than 30 posts. I would like to think that my long road of music selctions over the years has not led me to a place where I cant turn around and try another direction.  I would like to think that even though most of the people in this forum are different than me (a younger generation for instance), we could all find common ground on some song selections (without that song being too neutral)  :-D  I would like to think that I am not biased when I say Tortoise is clearly much much much better than 'equally acclaimed' Bright Eyes.

I do like a couple bright eyes songs btw.

One more thing. As long as everyone is compromising, I think its about time QC experiments with differnt types of humor.  :angel: :-D


edit: if you can't find my other point to this thread... it is that people need to learn to change. or maybe that isnt it. maybe I lost it before I even wrote it down.  maybe I just want to know why the music forum thread-goers tick me off so much here and why no one ever shares musical taste that is real close to mine (and I've met a lot of people on the internets). Maybe you guys tick me off because I don't like your music  :oops:   ooooo that must be why I made this post. I wanted you to change my heart.  :-P

CutMan:
Damn, it's always been tough for me to pick a favorite. But...Maybe I can pick a few of my current favorites, I'll try to give links
for the curious.

Trivium:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=5047134
[I know the majority opinion on here of them  is negative last I checked, so leave me be.]
Reason: I respect them as people, first off. I got into them through an interview
with Matt Heafy, he just seemed really cool. Then I checked them out and
found I really liked them. And their views, they have some awesome topics in
their songs.

Blind Guardian:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=5907838
Reason: They're just brilliant. One of the most original power metal[maybe proggressive?]
bands out there. The guitar work and songwriting is great, and Hansi's probably my favorite
singer.

In Flames:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=4253228
Reason: No matter how much they change, they always come up with a recognizable sound.
I can't quite say why I like them so much, but it's something they do. Obviously.

Pain of Salvation:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=27359008
Reason: Experimental proggressive rock, and they keep me guessing on what they'll do.
The vocalist is diverse as they come, he's crazy.

I could add more... but I need to shutup before this post gets any bigger.

Johnny C:
I quite like Tortoise, actually. A lot of post-rock is very moving music.

"Lavishly" is quite a good term to describe Conor Oberst's stuff, though I would argue that with "Bowl of Oranges" and "Lua," for example, the emotional quality of his music is actually quite understated. Besides, if you want bombast, you go Springsteen.

CaptainLorax:
thanks guys :) I'll check out the links tomorrow

The Eyeball Kid:
The Hold Steady. Take Springsteen and Journey and put them in a blender and then have a 30 year old guy write interlocking stories about the music scene and literary life and fucked up scared kids just trying to find a bit of redemption and have him spit them out beat poet style over 3 albums (plus his old band LifterPuller) and you're in lit student classic rock heaven... they can best be summed up by stuff like the band singing "Tramps like us and we like tramps" and just a hint of 'Born to Run' in the background... or lines that perfectly sum up characters and situations, like "And I can't stand all the things she sticks into her skin/like broken ballpoint pens and steel guitar strings/she says it hurts but its worth it/yeah it hurts but its worth it/tiny little text etched into her lower back says Jesus lived and died but not for me"

Plus all the random Christianity, personal mythology, Craig Finn's sneering voice, and their pure FURY live... i can't stop talking about this band, though i know they ain't for everyone. If i prayed, it'd be like their song Citrus: 'Lost again in love and faithless fear/i've had kisses that make Judas seem sincere'

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