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Method of Madness:
A Lancaster always pays his debts.

LeeC:
they did in the war of the roses.  :wink:

Method of Madness:
Well done :mrgreen:

Thrillho:
Slightly fuming because someone on another forum I go on's argument is basically 'oh well Cersei and Jamie had consensual sex in the last episode so the other episode clearly wasn't rape.'

THAT'S NOT HOW RAPE WORKS YOU FUCKING JACKASS

Valdís:

--- Quote from: Gareth on 16 Jun 2014, 11:19 --- (click to show/hide)Was not particularly enamoured with Aiya or however you fucking spell it for her leaving him to die. I know they had their differences but he did protect her. A lot.

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(click to show/hide)"I know they had their differences". He murdered her friend. First and foremost no one owes anyone their forgiveness, regardless of what the abusive thing was or how much of a "Good guy" they are to a person afterwards. You don't get to decide when someone has put in enough tokens to make the initial thing not matter any more / ought to be forgiven. Also there is no 'ought'. Also forgiveness is not the same as letting go. One does not require the other.

And.. uh.. Arya's leaving him to die? Presumably you mean that she didn't mercy-kill him? Since they explicitly said it's not like she could've gotten him the help to survive.

It's not like his protection originated from great circumstances, either. He grabbed her in the dark, kidnapped her and was intent on selling her for ransom. So yeah, biding her time or leaving him to die or what-have-you. All seem like pretty reasonable decisions on my end. It's also quite unreasonable to, like, expect the messed-up kid to kill other humans and blame her when she doesn't, just because she's getting numbed to it.

--- Quote from: LeeC on 16 Jun 2014, 11:35 ---
--- Quote from: Gareth on 16 Jun 2014, 11:19 --- (click to show/hide)- Tyrion killing Shae. Not a fan.

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Well, In Tyrion's defense:
(click to show/hide)She grabbed a knife and went at him from the start.
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(click to show/hide)Right, because when an ex (on death-row) who you had a really bad breakup with comes into your bedroom uninvited it's ~totally unreasonable~ to grab something sharp. Let's just not make excuses for him (or worse yet, as I've seen, be sympathetic to him for strangling her to death). It's not even like she wasn't right about him being capable of killing her. He had also already gotten it away from her before knowingly strangling her to death, rather than stopping when she wasn't able to threaten him or whatever.

"I'm sorry.." Well, whoopee, I guess it's all alright, then.

--- Quote from: Gareth on 18 Jun 2014, 10:17 ---Slightly fuming because someone on another forum I go on's argument is basically 'oh well Cersei and Jamie had consensual sex in the last episode so the other episode clearly wasn't rape.'

THAT'S NOT HOW RAPE WORKS YOU FUCKING JACKASS
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That 'reconnecting' between Cersei and Jaime was such a damn nauseating thing to watch. Every scene Jaime is in is gross to sit through. A thousand times more so when they try to portray him in a positive light still (EDIT: not as in "would prefer a monster-caricature", but as in "the fucking showrunners accept that he's a rapist"). Really hoping that in the next season he's present as little as possible.

Though I'm basically not expecting anything decent of any male characters at this point given what's considered character development on their end, so.. Valar Morghulis.

(click to show/hide)I mean, I still remember when people were praising Tyrion's great moral character for... not raping a girl. Gee, how heroic. And, well, now we have him doing this.

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