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[Jackie Blue]

Johnny C, I don't think you read the thread - or at least what I said in it - closely.  Nowhere did I say that I had a flat-out problem with Faye being a bitch.  However, even unlikable characters in a work of fiction are supposed to be entertaining.

And if you look at what I said, I specifically said I originally was drawn to QC because it wasn't just "laff a day" and that my recent disappointment with it had been due to a lack of anything deeper than a quick joke (a point I think is born out by Friday and Monday's strips, incidentally - how is "Oh look, Hannelore forgot her pants" anything more than just a "laff a day" type strip?)

If there were a forum dedicated to my band and I saw a thread titled "The guitar riff in "Telephones" is shit" I would know to either not read it or read it with the knowledge that it might not be all roses and drawn butter.

EDIT: Anyway, I left GD as Jeph wanted and to STOP having this discussion, I'm here to talk about music, RARGH!  I provided the original link purely for the value of satiating Nimrod's curiosity.  So I think we can move along now.

[Johnny C]

I'd rather talk about music than get attacked by angry mobs for saying something remotely critical about the comic.

I am just depressed because this attitude inevitably gets the better of those who express it. The crux of the issue is most visible where he asked you to stop rattling off reasons you didn't like the comic, such as the post halfway up the second page in which you rambled about how the comic has gone downhill, and you responded by essentially calling him thin-skinned.

You are currently in a nation where you appear to have little to no regard for the person in charge, and that inevitably creates problems on a forum like this one.

[Jackie Blue]

You are currently in a nation where you appear to have little to no regard for the person in charge, and that inevitably creates problems on a forum like this one.

I'm not actually sure what that means, but I would say that growing up in the USA, for more liberal, freedom-lovin' fellers like myself, generally means we are eye-rollingly opposed to people telling us not to engage in discourse that is on-topic and non-trolling just because someone might not like it.

By all means, if I were just flaming?  Yep, ban me, chew me out, whatever.  If I were trolling?  Same deal.  You and Tommy seem to have a problem with the level of criticism you perceived me as expressing, but do you actually have a problem with engaging in any kind of criticism when the purpose of the forum is "General Discussion", not "General Praise" or "Creepy Shit Like Which QC Chick Is Hottest?"

Also: RARGH MORE MUSIC TALK RARGH.   

[Johnny C]

that inevitably creates problems on a forum like this one.

As well, if you're not trolling or flaming, why not stop when you're asked to by the person responsible for creating the comic? I don't perceive you as being a troll of any kind, so it puzzles me even further when you - and this has applied to every poster I've ever seen put up this same defense of their actions in critiquing Jeph's work - refuse to stop at a reasonable juncture and instead feel the need to push it just over that border where it becomes rude.

There is plenty of music talk going on at the moment elsewhere in the forum but this thread has effectively run the same course every thread of its ilk, including the two or three I've poster, ever has, so I'm posting to its current topic.

[Jackie Blue]

As well, if you're not trolling or flaming, why not stop when you're asked to by the person responsible for creating the comic?

What the... but... I DID!  I stopped posting in GD after that thread.  I didn't see Jeph asking me to stop posting criticism, the only thing I saw him say was "Stop reading the comic if you don't like it", which I only responded to in order to make clear that I DO still like it.

Why do you hate freedom?  You're making Jesus cry.   

[Inlander]

Well this thread hasn't turned out at all how I expected.

[Jackie Blue]

Well this thread hasn't turned out at all how I expected.

On-topic: I promise never to bitch about how much I think Sufjan Stevens needs to fuck off and die.

[MadassAlex]

I can promise my best not to be an arsehole about it, but with the level of criticism heavy metal gets in general I have a hard time letting it all slide, especially when it's mostly dead wrong.

[kokeyjoe]

If that thread was locked, then I'd say the issue is pretty much dropped.  Please don't change the topic so drastically in this thread.  We're already discussing something rather interesting here and having a decent dialogue about it.

And, not like I'm agreeing with Will because he's my zomg RL friend and worker of the co- variety, but I think his "rant" in this thread is one of the most constructive things he's said on the forums (or even in real life?).  I pretty much echo his sentiments of who are we to smite the music appreciated by others?  If they're genuinely moved by the music they listen to, if it's the music that can make them cry when they're alone or rock out with friends in the car, whatever the case, then it's their right to feel that way about the music.  Now, if they're just being scenesters, if you will, and jumping on a bandwagon, then that's probably room for dismissing their music tastes.  But then I'd say that's more a problem with the person than with the music.  In my opinion, about 90% of the music that exists is at least attempting to be some form of creative expression, and that in itself is a good thing.  The remaining 10% I consider to be things like Britney Spears or Paris Hilton's album, where it's not even created to express...well... creativity.  It's just to perpetuate an image, a lifestyle, a dollar sign.

I could continue, but I'm rambling, and only going on a couple hours of sleep while at work after being sick all night.   So... that's that.

[ScrambledGregs]

I vow to not derail threads with re-visits of older topics or arguments.

[Misereatur]

Well this thread hasn't turned out at all how I expected.

I think it's kind of my fault.

I'm sorry, Inlander.

[Johnny C]

The problem is there's a difference between well-thought-out, constructive, intelligent debate and being a dick for the sake of stirring shit or because you don't feel like expanding past a layer of brevity and pith.

[NiMRoD420]

Well then it's probably a bad idea to get shitty when people tell you to shut the fuck up.

I don't think anyone here ever told me to shut the fuck up. Unless you're telling me to shut the fuck up. Are you?

[Thrillho]

Johnny C, I don't think you read the thread - or at least what I said in it - closely.  Nowhere did I say that I had a flat-out problem with Faye being a bitch.  However, even unlikable characters in a work of fiction are supposed to be entertaining.

And yet you're taking her throwing a guy across a room, clearly a bid for comedy, as being an act of 'physical violence' which is supposed distasteful?

And whether Jeph was right or wrong in locking your thread, the fact remains - this is his forum, he can do what the fuck he wants, and there ain't shit you can do about it.

[Jackie Blue]

And yet you're taking her throwing a guy across a room, clearly a bid for comedy, as being an act of 'physical violence' which is supposed distasteful?

Um, no, I'm not?  My name in that thread was the same as it is here - zerodrone.  I didn't say word one about that in that thread, somebody else did.  Don't keep derailing this thread especially by bringing up a point that you'd realize wasn't even a point if you had carefully read what I said.

Also: RARGH I DID NOT POST THAT LINK TO START THIS ARGUMENT OVER AGAIN RARGH.

[Thrillho]

My second point still stands 

And it's (unintentionally) your fault the thread derailed anyway, hahaha.

As for this thread, I still say it's pointless wishful thinking!

[NiMRoD420]

Well, I'm sure all of us here are artists in some way or another. Jeph seems like a cool motherfucker, but it takes Buddha to listen to criticism all the time and never get pissed off about it. I think you were out of line in asking him not to read the forums, just as he was out of line in asking you not to read the comic. Whatever. He locked the thread so there would be no further hostility. I think it was right.