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Storm Rider:
There was a second Tactics Ogre game for the GBA a few years back. I really wish Atlus would make another sequel though.
BillAdama:
Shin Megami Tensei, Disgaea, Valkyrie Profile, and Star Ocean kick the ass out of anything Square developed.
Xenogears has a lot of the elements from Neon Genesis Evangelion, but it has a far different approach to those elements. I wouldn't be surprised if NGE gave them some of their ideas, but the whole Solaris/lamps class thing, all the different villains going around doing their own thing, Fei's whole struggle with identity and free will, etc aren't anything NGE did in more than a superficial manner.
The second disc would have been better except it's production was rushed. I disagree that the plot is incomprehensible. You just have to take fastidious mental notes in order to put all the pieces together.
Shadow Hearts is okay. The first two have quite good main plots and some good characters, but *incredibly* boring battles.
Suikoden II and V are really good but other than those the series really hasn't done anything really good. Suikoden I is rote and dull, and Suikoden III just has a really confusing battle system that becomes a pain to try to control. And the entire series is notoriously over-easy.
Storm Rider:
You know that Valkyrie Profile and Star Ocean are Square games, right?
Personally, I own a almost completely untouched copy of Valkyrie Profile 2. I dunno if it was necessarily bad, but I didn't really get into it at all.
And I didn't find the combat in Shadow Hearts boring at all. Certainly no more than mashing the 'Fight' command over and over again.
ScrambledGregs:
@StormRider: I forgot about the GBA Tactics Ogre game. I think one of my friends bought it, but as soon as FFTA came out, he forgot all about it.
Also, Valkyrie Profile 1 and Star Ocean were ENIX games, technically, since SquareEnix didn't exist back then.
I'm with you on Valkyrie Profile 2. I bought it the same day that I did FFXII, thinking that once I beat that game I would get more into VP2. Three chapters in, and I don't like VP2 at all. I feel like the game would work so much better as 2D, which is why I think so many people like the first. Also, apparently the first game has actual storylines for the Einherjar (sp??).
BillAdama:
--- Quote from: Storm Rider on 24 Mar 2007, 00:03 ---You know that Valkyrie Profile and Star Ocean are Square games, right?
Personally, I own a almost completely untouched copy of Valkyrie Profile 2. I dunno if it was necessarily bad, but I didn't really get into it at all.
And I didn't find the combat in Shadow Hearts boring at all. Certainly no more than mashing the 'Fight' command over and over again.
--- End quote ---
Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile are Tri-Ace games, which are published by Square. There's a difference. They're not Square games any more than Arc the Lad and Growlanser are Working Designs games.
Shadow Hearts battle system was boring because mostly all enemies die in one or two hits and never pose any kind of threat to you at all. I'd say, it's equally boring as every Final Fantasy in the last ten years. There's absolutely no need to use any kind of strategy at all except in the third game, which has one of the worst character casts ever. You're just kind of attacking enemies over and over, and hardly ever even healing.
Valkyrie Profile games aren't really for people who love Final Fantasy. There's a different approach to storyline and a very different battle system that requires planning and strategy, and a platforming element that adds diversity to the dungeons.
Valkyrie Profile is to Final Fantasy as indie music is to mainstream music. People who like getting the same thing over and over from the latter won't really get into the former because even if they give it a chance, they judge it by whether or not it has the elements they expect from the latter.
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