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The Games We Hate
Ozymandias:
--- Quote from: Scytale on 30 Apr 2007, 03:56 ---As far as the art vs entertainment debate goes thats always going to be contriversal, why do games need to be accepted as a "legitimate art" form, especially when you consider that the vast quanitity of all games are commercial realeases, targeted at the consumer, which reaks of an entertainment product to me. I'm not a philospohy scholar but in my view once you start producing something aimed at achieving commercial success it's no longer art but a commodity.
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So...movies? Not art?
Books? Not art?
Music? Not art?
Johnny C:
The thing is, Scytale, why can't a game deliver both? What's wrong with an action game involving a lot of shooting and explosions and running and deaths and awesome action sequences and plot development, mature themes, complexity, ambiguity and everything that comes along with great art? I don't think there should have to be a separation. That's why I used The Wild Bunch. It's a Western and as such there are multiple scenes with shootin' but they're also heavily balanced with scenes that convey a remarkable amount of intellectual depth. Sgt. Pepper is still pop music, but it's such a visionary records that it extends and surpasses the barriers of what pop music was supposed to be about. I'm trying to say that games can be the same way, and that thinking otherwise is what results in stuff like Clover Studio's shutdown.
The "genre gamer" bit was essentially me saying that I really don't like it when people engage themselves in entertainment because they know what they'll be getting from a certain genre. It's not only way too safe, it's a major artistic deterrent. If people like Dean Koontz, Dan Brown and Tom Clancy didn't consistently pump out garbage genre fiction there might be more interest in better novelists. The same is true for video games.
nihilist:
JC, I know there is a line to marry you, but I'd like my name put on the list.
Blyss:
Uhm, I like Dean Koontz, and the way his stories make me consider alternate possiblities.
As for the rest - meh...
Johnny C:
--- Quote from: mr. mike on 30 Apr 2007, 10:44 ---JC, I know there is a line to marry you, but I'd like my name put on the list.
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You're close to the top because I know what kind of sandwiches you like*.
*they feature "grilled meat"
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