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CamusCanDo:
Man, what?
Such a good episode, I'll post more later when I don't have to get up in 5 hours.
0bsessions:
Major Spoilers:
I am absolutely convinced that Jin survived. Think about it:
*Jin has been blown off a boat before, quite probably almost as far off shore as this one. Anyone else remember the season one finale? Where we thought he was dead and then he turned up, bound by the Tailies calling them Others? The guy was raised in a fishing village. He swam there faster than Michael and Sawyer floated in.
*The explosion was below deck on the bridge end of the ship. He was on the far other side of the top deck. The explosion didn't reach that far. It's possible, even probable by the show's standards, that he was knocked clear of the deck by the explosion.
*Faraday's raft was en route to the freighter when it blew. It's quite possible that, upon seeing the explosion, the rafters keep going to make sure the freight's not salvageable. I wouldn't be surprised to see the season five premiere end with Faraday's group discovering Jin.
Given, this is mostly me hoping that one of my favorite characters survived. They've killed two important characters at once before (Ana Lucia and Libby), they've had situations where there was no body for weeks and then they confirmed it (Danielle and Karl) and they've killed off countless main characters. I'm still not convinced until I see a body or the producers say "he dead."
TheFuriousWombat:
SPOILERS:
Well Michael might not be dead either. I mean, Walt obviously thought he was alive on the island, since he asked Hurley if Michael was one of the people they had to protect by keeping silent and Hurley confirmed it. Of course, they could just be being nice to Walt and sparing him the knowledge that his father is dead but I doubt it. Also, Christian told Michael he could go right before the boat exploded. What if Christian, who obviously can move around in space (teleportation?) can also move other people around in space? Either way, I think Michael might be alive. Jinn has to die at some point, however, since Hurley's and Sun's visit to the graveyard was definitely genuine. I'm not 100% convinced he died in the boat explosion but he'll die later on if he didn't. I actually didn't consider, at the time, that he might have even survived.
Also: Locke in the casket??? That floored me. I thought it might be Ben, but then that seemed to obvious. Then I thought it might be Desmond for some reason. The idea that it might be Claire was obviously thrown out with the Jeremy thing. I guess since the real Jeremy Benthem, the philosopher, was a big advocate of utilitarianism and legal reform, it kinda makes sense that Locke would be adopt that name. Still, I really wasn't expecting to see him in the casket and literally exclaimed something aloud when I did. Did anyone see that coming??
0bsessions:
I think it was pretty obvious Hurley was full of shit when he 'confirmed' it. Watch the scene again, he clearly looks uncomfortable when Walt asks him that question. In terms of the 'you can go' line, that one seemed pretty obvious to me: Tom had told Michael that the island would not let him die until it was finished with him, a fact that Ben later reiterated. I think it's pretty clear that 'you can go now' is Christian telling Michael he can finally die, as he wanted to all along. Christian, I'm convinced, is an apparition of some sort, not a legitimately tangible being.
In terms of Jin's having to die at some point, I think you missed the whole point. As far as Sun is concerned, Jin died on the freighter. That's what she saw and she's yet to be presented with evidence otherwise OFF the island. That doesn't confirm his demise in any way, shape or form, however. I'm banking that he either made it back to the island before it was moved (Clearly there's a perimeter to the island outside it's actual above ground portion, or it'd somehow leave stuff like the Looking Glass station behind), which Sun would have no way of knowing about, or he is in hiding off island so as not to contradict the Ocean Six's story. If he survived, but didn't meet up with them before the story got out, he likely couldn't bring himself to approach Sun, knowing that if they remained together it would out their story, dooming everyone, or ruin Sun's and Ji Yeon's lives as they'd need to go underground with him.
TheFuriousWombat:
Hmm good point. Your first point is definitely convincing so I think you're right. I guess I was just looking for potential ways we could be being fucked with a little too hard. As for point number two, I'm less convinced but it sounds plausible at least.
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