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alongwaltz:
--- Quote from: fish across face on 24 May 2007, 16:37 ---Thought it was interesting that Jack said whatever he said to the new surgeon about going and getting his father.
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Yeah, there's different interpretations to "Get my father down here and if he's drunker than I am, then you can fire me."
a) His father's somehow alive and well and working again.
b) By "down here", he meant down from heaven.
c) The booze and the pills just put Jack in a really f'd up state and it was either dementia or he was delirious.
alongwaltz:
Something I've been pondering:
What is the status of Desmond's visions now?
All his past visions (other than when he traveled back in time) were about Charlie dying. Now Charlie's dead. Does that mean no more visions? Will he start having visions of another person dying? Maybe his own death? Or something else entirely, visions of the future, but not death related?
beat mouse:
the big question is by saving charlie did desmond bring people to the island that should never have found it?
fish across face:
Yeah, the whole flash-forward business opened a shipping container of worms, really. I don't think it ruined the story any more than watching Pulp Fiction or Memento in the intended order ruins those movies.
--- Quote from: alongwaltz on 24 May 2007, 16:14 ----Jack managed to get some people rescued and off the island but not everyone and had to sacrifice something to do so. He deeply regrets this, which is why he desperately wants back, studies maps and flies on planes left and right, hoping that they'll crash.
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The big question this raised for me wasn't actually why Jack was so upset but why he can't get back to the island! If they can get be found and rescued, why can he now not go back? Given his messed up state (tend to think his father was dead at that point, but he was too screwed to remember that) is he trying to go back to a place that's now destroyed? Is he just misguided in believing he needs to crash to get back there? Really, we can't trust anything he said in that flash-forward, including his perception that the whole thing was a mistake (which Kate seemed to disagree with). It's awesomely unreliable narrator time.
Another thing I've been thinking about...
--- Quote from: alongwaltz on 24 May 2007, 16:14 ---Naomi's people are definitely the bad guys
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Didn't Penelope just say she a) wasn't on a ship and b) didn't know who Naomi was? Did Charlie leap to the conclusion that the ship is not Penelope's people? I'm pretty sure Naomi said she'd never met Penelope, does anyone remember? I guess Pen did say "What ship?" but, still, I think it's a possibility.
Also, Ben will have to be forever cast as a bad guy, since he's now connected with images of mass graves and the usual stuff we associate with genocide. A TV show can't really turn around and cast that kind of guy in a favourable light without getting some serious condemnation, can they?
I'm always wary when writing this kind of thing that it's the kind of show where we're never really gonna get many of the answers, the fun's just in mulling stuff over and getting sucked in for a bit.
SilentJ:
--- Quote from: alongwaltz on 24 May 2007, 21:02 ---Something I've been pondering:
What is the status of Desmond's visions now?
All his past visions (other than when he traveled back in time) were about Charlie dying. Now Charlie's dead. Does that mean no more visions? Will he start having visions of another person dying? Maybe his own death? Or something else entirely, visions of the future, but not death related?
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They actually adressed that in the episode. In the Looking Glass Charlie asked Desmond if he had had any more visions, and Desmond said no. Since Charlie is dead, Des' visions have stopped.
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