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adritha:
I think it would've been waaaay better if they hadn't taken the predictable route *shrug* ...apart from that i was pretty neutral

epifreak:
I have two major complaints with the film. The first is symbiote spider-man = the amazing emo-man. I think you all know what I'm talking about.

The second major complaint is that venom was pretty much a bit part before being (possibly) written out for good. Venom is (for me) the defining villain in the Spider Man sagas. He is Spider Man's ultimate foil. Venom vs. Spidey is a big part of the reason this series meshes with me. Sandman is a sideshow at best. I really don't care about the villain, especially when Venom is the other character in play. Oh well, at least it wasn't another fucking goblin; they always bored me.

Oh, so my prediction for Spider-Man 4: Carnage. The reasoning is this: Movie 1 starts things off with a random villain, in this case, the green goblin. Movie 2 steps things up a notch by including the whole questioning of responsibility plot. This movie incorporates Venom, possibly the most important villain in the Spider Man saga. There's a clear escalation of drama here. The only way I can think of to increase that would be to include carnage (and deus-ex-machina venom back in).

0bsessions:
You've obviously never been much of a Spider-Man comic fan if you're calling Venom potentially the most important villain of the Spider-Man saga and "bored" of the Goblins.

Venom had a total of, MAYBE a dozen appearances as a villain and didn't really get much of any real depth until just before they decided to ditch Eddie Brock entirely in favor of Mac Gargan (The new Venom/Old Scorpion).

He was created to be Spidey's arch-nemesis, but he never really did anywhere near as much as the Green Goblin who has, thus far, killed Parker's first love (Gwen Stacy), corrupted his own son to destroy Spider-Man, faked Aunt May's death in order to fuck with Spidey, poisoned MJ to cause her to have a miscarriage, kidnapped and attempted to brainwash Parker into becoming the new Green Goblin, kidnapped Flash Thompson (A recovering alcoholic) and force-fed him liquor then put him behind the wheel of an Oscorp truck and crashed it into the school Peter worked at (Also rendering Flash braindead for a long while), etc...

Venom has tried to kill Spider-Man six or so times and spooked MJ once. There's a reason Raimi didn't use Venom much: he covered pretty much the entirety of Venom's career in that small plot. In practice, both Harry and the Sandman have always been significantly more interesting and fleshed-out. The only depth Venom ever developed was when Paul Jenkins gave him cancer a few years ago.

MattBurns:
That's an interesting observation actually,

Clearly the Green Goblin is spidey's greatest foe, but it's Venom that has been captured by popular culture.

I mean everyone knows who Venom is, and most think he's Spider-man's ultimate nemesis. it's only the die hards that know better.

but in the end. perception is reality. if 90% of the people think something, even if it's wrong. it's right.

0bsessions:
Yeah, but then the public gets all righteously indignant when they feel it was abused, when it is, in fact, true to form. We just saw an example up above. Raimi pretty much nailed Venom perfectly. Instead of people bitching that the movie guys did a poor job on a great character, they should actually look into it and realize he was never much of an interesting character to begin with.

And, actually, Doc Ock has always been the overall public's perception of "Spider-Man's greatest nemesis." Look into the old cartoons and video games, it's always Doc Ock. In practice, he was a major opponent, but never as big as the alternative media portrayed him. If you look around, you really don't see Venom ever having a particularly big role in any medium outside of the Maximum Carnage and Ultimate Spider-Man games.

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