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Spiderman 3 **Possible Spoiler alerts**
qtownstegy:
I saw the movie with a bunch of friends and my gal and the best parts were the commentary we added to the movie. Overall, the movie wasn't bad, but it was a bit dull in parts. None of us really liked the ending to the movie because it was too quick compared to all the relationship drama that the movie contained.
epifreak:
Okay, perhaps I should ammend my statement. Venom is one of the most stylish spider man villains. Sandman is a brute, whereas venom is a foil to spidey in the sense that he is more-or-less spider-man's equal in all the same ways. His skills line up with spider man's making the confrontations between spidey and venom (to me) more interesting than many of the other villains. I've never been much of a comic fan at all, so my perceptions of the saga are primarily driven by a combination of heresay and the cartoon show I grew up with. To me, venom is interesting because he is, in effect, spider man's doppleganger. That, and the whole venom/spider-man/carnage triangle is something I remember being interesting.
I believe my distaste for the goblins stems not from their actual use, but from the re-damn-diculous costume they all wear. Seriously, they look silly. Venom has fashion sense ;)
Manda8706:
--- Quote from: 0bsessions on 07 May 2007, 11:18 ---
--- Quote from: thepugs on 07 May 2007, 08:27 ---Just enjoy the movie for what it is, and read the comics for the actual stories.
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If I was upset about "differing from the comics" I'd bitch about the fact that Harry wasn't addicted to LSD and was riding a glorified flying snowboard as opposed to applauding the incredible job James Franco did with the role.
If it was just about the comics, I'd bitch that Eddie was originally a reporter who didn't even work at the Daily Bugle to begin with and
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Haha...thats so great...I was thinking that as I read this.
I'm not so upset over all this as I am to how easily they killed Harry and Eddie...they were two great characters.
I don't think they made Harry the Green Goblin or Hobgoblin...he was just.....a bad guy...lol....At least thats what I got.
I wish they would have mentioned VENOM....and pumped him up...that was a big thing in the comic, thought Topher did a great job...I think he nailed it...I was not expecting that....I didn't think he could pull it off...but he did, and better than anything I could have expected.
0bsessions:
--- Quote from: epifreak on 10 May 2007, 03:17 ---Okay, perhaps I should ammend my statement. Venom is one of the most stylish spider man villains. Sandman is a brute, whereas venom is a foil to spidey in the sense that he is more-or-less spider-man's equal in all the same ways. His skills line up with spider man's making the confrontations between spidey and venom (to me) more interesting than many of the other villains. I've never been much of a comic fan at all, so my perceptions of the saga are primarily driven by a combination of heresay and the cartoon show I grew up with. To me, venom is interesting because he is, in effect, spider man's doppleganger. That, and the whole venom/spider-man/carnage triangle is something I remember being interesting.
I believe my distaste for the goblins stems not from their actual use, but from the re-damn-diculous costume they all wear. Seriously, they look silly. Venom has fashion sense ;)
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You just unintentionally summed up the problem with comics in the nineties. I'm going to throw up a post about this in the comic forum, too. Anyone who's genuinely interested in my response to this can glance over there, as I don't feel like getting warned for meandering off topic.
That said, I think Venom was one of the better handled parts of this film. He was actually more interesting than his comics counterpart (And about eight times moreso than in the abysmal cartoon) and Grace did a phenomenal job with the role.
Here's hoping the next director asks Grace and Howard to come back to take on the lead roles. They can't do much worse than Maguire and Dunst.
Duchess Tapioca:
This movie really disappointed me. I know I'm being really hard on it just because it is a disappointment in a long string of disappointments, but still. it is DISAPPOINTING! I really expected it to be a good movie because I have heard of this "Spiderman" dude before and so he is supposedly pretty famous, which means somebody somewhere probably put enough of their heart and soul and time and effort in to the character to make him a memorable kind of dude, not just some sort of dude that got bitten by a radioactive spider and is now awesome. Apparently though, these sort of standards of effort are not required in movies right now!
This Spiderman guy is supposed to be some sort of super-hero, a hero that is super. Above and beyond the standards of ordinary hero that fulfills his responsibility of helping people when they are in need when he has the capability of helping and not anything better to do, but SUPER. This Spiderman dude is just a regular dude. This is perfectly alright in real life, because I do not expect anyone to be perfect, or even the slightest bit close, but this dude is a fictional character, on the tv, and a role model for small childerns who need role models.
It seems like today people who are trying to write stories (or rewrite them to put them on the tv) do not seem to be making a "good guy" to put on the tv. A character that is trying to do his or her best to be a good person is not something that I am seeing a lot of right now. Maybe people right now think that a really good guy on the tv is patronizing or people don't want to see it because it's too much to live up to and they want someone realistic to relate to, but gosh if that is the problem just go ahead and try to have more of the traits you admire. Maybe it is just that people don't like to write characters that are even borderline one-sided, because they want to write things that are more complicated, I really don't know!
This Spiderman dude really didn't do anything good except save people from buildings, he is really not a great dude. He is kinda mean to his girlfriend and wants revenge on somebody. I had to have it explained to me by somebody that read the comics that the suit is supposed to make Spiderman a really bad dude, and it's supposed to be a personality change, because really he kept acting a lot like he was before. And he even chose to put the suit on, it wasn't like all "I'm gonna get you Mr. Spider, and there's nothing you can do about it!" and spider man is all "Touche!" It wasn't like that at all. All the "bad" guys were far morally superior to Spiderman!
I guess that is good though, you have some positive role models in a guy made out of sand and a dude on a flying skate board. But the guy on the flying skate board didn't even have a character development type turn-around of him being good, he only stoped wanting revenge on Spiderman because he figured out it wasn't Spiderman's fault, not because he really decided that friendship and lady-rescuing is more important than revenge.
And for girl-type role models. What is up with the MJ lady? She is all "I am so dejected, because I can't sing on broadway anymore and be a big success" Yeah, that's kinda sad, but still you get to sing in front of people in a restaurant where the rest of the staff is nice to you and looks out for you. Gosh, it is not that bad. You are being a role model that says "Other people have to think you are really great at what you love for you to be happy, you can't just do what you love and have that be good enough." That is no good at all.
Otherwise, that sandman dude was awesome, it would have made me happy if he could have gotten some money for his daughter, but it was fun to watch him smash buildings and be a pretty nice guy. Also when Peter was being all "I'm bad, so bad" he was pretty darned funny, especially the part about the cookies. Overall I guess the problem was just all the other characters saying how nice of a guy Peter is, and them him really not being nice one bit. I watched some interviews, and I found out it was really the directors fault that I did not like it. He goes to school with my boyfriend's cousin, and apparently he is a cad.
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