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The Joker Begins
Spinless:
Common misconceptions about the old Batman movies:
-Jack Nicholson was a great Joker
-The last two weren't completely without merit.
-Casting in general was pretty good.
-The suits in Batman&Robin were pretty cool.
0bsessions:
I don't see why you'd say Nicholson wasn't a "great" Joker. Given, it was Nicholson doing what he does: hamming up the role and not playing the character so much as himself, but he really hit the nail on the head as far as the most common characterization of the Joker: a nutcase, eccentric, sociopathic killer with a really dark and disturbing sense of humor. That's why the Joker's always been one of my favorite comic villains. I like either slightly redeemable villains who aren't evil, just of a different viewpoint, or I like guys who are so batshit fucking loco that the idea of them actually existing is frightening. He'll commit these unforgivable attrocities and then turn around and crack a joke that'll just be so horribly ill-timed to anyone else. I still think Mark Hammill did the best Joker ever in the animated series and movies (Especially the Batman Beyond movie, he was just sick in that), but Nicholson was a great Joker. I never cared for the old campy Joker in the sixties, he bored the Hell out of me. Joker's at his best when he's off his nut and still pretty funny. If Heath Ledger can't both scare me and make me laugh in the span of a a few minutes of each other, I'll consider it an outright and colossul failure on his part.
carrotosaurus:
I really liked Nicholson's joker, personally. But I was much younger the last time I saw that film, so perhaps it's time for a revisit.
Also, I'm not sure I see what everyone's talking about as far as Batman Begins goes. I thought it was ok, but it seems that most people are worshipping the ground Nolan walks on... It was a pretty decent film, but is it really better than the original Tim Burton Batman movies? I'm definately going to have to compare them side by side.
Johnny C:
Nolan chose to forego making a campy and plot-driven film in favour of making an appropriately dark and character-driven film, and more importantly he pulled it off almost perfectly. That's why a lot of people here, myself included, think Batman Begins is the superior movie.
beat mouse:
--- Quote from: Spinless on 25 May 2007, 04:18 ---Common misconceptions about the old Batman movies:
-Jack Nicholson was a great Joker
-The last two weren't completely without merit.
-Casting in general was pretty good.
-The suits in Batman&Robin were pretty cool.
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Say no to bat-nipples :|
I'd rather see Adam West as batman again than Clooney. Either way, I dont know if I can give you that last one.
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