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Faye and Sven
Border Reiver:
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There's ways to both have a couple and have them not be completely useless... The problem is, there has to be problems. It's not a question of interestingness exactly so much as it is just realism-- no couple can be 100% happy 100% of the time, and if they are, they're creepy. Martin and Dora have a lot of weirdness they seem to have overcome way to quickly (in my opinion); Martin's done a 180 on what girl he's got the hots for, and Dora has broken the golden rule of BFF-ship (at least in the girl-verse; I dunno about all you man-whores out there). These are serious issues and if they're really ready to move past them as quickly as they are then, dude... That kind of makes me concerned for them.
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Not so certain that marten's done a 180, he always had an eye for Dora early on, and now its more than an eye... The issue between her and Faye is probably more serious and I'm not so certain she's moved beyond it. Witness her neurotic behaviour...
Doug S. Machina:
--- Quote from: Rocketman on 11 Feb 2008, 17:08 ---
--- Quote from: Doug S. Machina on 11 Feb 2008, 16:36 ---Hannelore has mountains to climb too.
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Yeah, Faye's mountains! *rimshot*
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Very good...
Mind you, I can see that as an unlikely punchline to the current arc:
(Faye and Hannelore are in Sven's bed. Sven walks in.)
Sven: What the fuck? Didn't you say she was off-limits?
Faye: Well, to you...
--- Quote from: raoullefere on 11 Feb 2008, 22:02 ---Folks, I'm tellin' ya, there be an iceberg bearin' down on the good ship Mardoranic. Just ye heave to and keep ye weather eye clapped on 'er.
QC's not a soap, (or a soup, despite my fervent wish to type it so)
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It is a soup, a thick and nutritous gumbo of sarcasm, relationships, robots, comedy, "issues", unrequited love, sex, drunkeness and absurdity. :laugh:
--- Quote from: soapbox-paiga on 11 Feb 2008, 17:21 ---
I don't want them unhappy, per say... I just want a narrative. QC is in its heart of hearts a story-- and what's good for a story isn't always so great for reality (see: Stranger than Fiction). All you can hope for is that you hit a happy ending. Some day. Eventually.
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Per se (Sorry to be pedantic.) Yes, that was my point. A happy ending is obviously an end. We need drama and interest to keep a story going. I wasn't meaning to say that fictional characters are invented to be poked with sticks. "Dance for me, paper monkey, dance! Hahahaha!"
--- Quote from: soapbox-paiga on 11 Feb 2008, 17:21 ---I honestly do like Faye/Sven, though ... Right now I'm a lot more concerned with them being static than I am with them being pissed at me.
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If you were writing something and entertained the thought "Will my characters (who only exist in my head) still like me after I make them do this?" you would surely be getting on a fast track to madness. They won't ever come and get you. They don't exist. It was late and I was tired.
(Interesting idea though. Faye would want probably want to give Jeph a beating. Davan and friends from Something Positive would probably do something very slow and painful to their creator. John MacClane (Bruce Willis in Die Hard*) has a good case to sue Fox for millions, for repeatedly putting him the action movie wringer and breaking up his marriage for their profit and our entertainment. Let's not even get into tragedy, say Titus Andronicus.)
--- Quote from: soapbox-paiga on 11 Feb 2008, 17:21 ---No, I don't like it when bad things happen to me, but at least I can say that I've learned from most of them. Even if it was, y'know, to throw small children out windows for fun and profit. (*cue: The More You Know!*)
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You must explain. Or write a book "Throwing Children Out of Windows for Fun and Profit!"
*I could have picked more high-culture examples. But would it mattered?
tomart:
--- Quote from: soapbox-paiga on 11 Feb 2008, 22:28 ---Dora has broken the golden rule of BFF-ship (at least in the girl-verse; I dunno about all you man-whores out there). These are serious issues and if they're really ready to move past them as quickly as they are then, dude... That kind of makes me concerned for them.
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Ok, so the golden rule of female BFFs is - don't date each other's BFs..? Even if the one gave him up, let him loose? And (no small point) she never had him in the first place? Would it have been better if some other floozy snapped him up? I'm just a curious man-whore askin'...
As for how quickly they move past issues - - maybe the comic moves past lots of issues, so we're not getting a full relationship-intensive course in that couple's issues...
easilyamused:
Well, some other girl getting Marten would have had a different effect on Faye, but I also doubt that anyone but Dora could have gotten him that quickly. Remember Faye running into Dora's room and saying "two days??" That's a big part of the rule Dora broke. It's not exactly "don't date each other's ex-boyfriends" -- in this situation it's "don't date someone your bff was emotionally involved with until a reasonable amount of time has passed." Whether or not Faye and Marten were officially going out, there was a lot of chemistry and feeling between them, and Dora knew that. Otherwise, she wouldn't be so apologetic and guilty (and rightly so!) when Faye confronts her that night.
And about the Hanners-Faye thing ... I think a much more amusing relationship would be ... hehe. Remember when Penelope and Faye leave the gym together in a loud argument about Penelope's rear end, and the gym employee's assumption? Hehe.
soapbox-paiga:
--- Quote from: easilyamused on 12 Feb 2008, 19:09 ---Well, some other girl getting Marten would have had a different effect on Faye, but I also doubt that anyone but Dora could have gotten him that quickly. Remember Faye running into Dora's room and saying "two days??" That's a big part of the rule Dora broke. It's not exactly "don't date each other's ex-boyfriends" -- in this situation it's "don't date someone your bff was emotionally involved with until a reasonable amount of time has passed." Whether or not Faye and Marten were officially going out, there was a lot of chemistry and feeling between them, and Dora knew that. Otherwise, she wouldn't be so apologetic and guilty (and rightly so!) when Faye confronts her that night.
And about the Hanners-Faye thing ... I think a much more amusing relationship would be ... hehe. Remember when Penelope and Faye leave the gym together in a loud argument about Penelope's rear end, and the gym employee's assumption? Hehe.
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Exactomundo. While there is something intrinsically funky about dating your best friend's ex (not bad, per se-- ah ha, I have learned the ways of the Latin!), it's more of an issue with how fast the relationship blossomed into existence and the fact that Dora never even (as my memory serves) brought up to Faye that she was considering making a move, which creates weird double-dealingness (again, this might be totally wrong-- I haven't read through the archives in a while so it's possible Dora gave her a head's up at some point and it just flew over my head).
--- Quote from: Doug S. Machina on 12 Feb 2008, 16:28 ---If you were writing something and entertained the thought "Will my characters (who only exist in my head) still like me after I make them do this?" you would surely be getting on a fast track to madness. They won't ever come and get you. They don't exist. It was late and I was tired.
(Interesting idea though. Faye would want probably want to give Jeph a beating. Davan and friends from Something Positive would probably do something very slow and painful to their creator. John MacClane (Bruce Willis in Die Hard*) has a good case to sue Fox for millions, for repeatedly putting him the action movie wringer and breaking up his marriage for their profit and our entertainment. Let's not even get into tragedy, say Titus Andronicus.)
--- Quote from: soapbox-paiga on 11 Feb 2008, 17:21 ---No, I don't like it when bad things happen to me, but at least I can say that I've learned from most of them. Even if it was, y'know, to throw small children out windows for fun and profit. (*cue: The More You Know!*)
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You must explain. Or write a book "Throwing Children Out of Windows for Fun and Profit!"
*I could have picked more high-culture examples. But would it mattered?
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Firstly, a pox on high-culture examples! Suffice to say, I think pretty much any literary work ever created could be filed under this category (in varying degrees of seriousness).
Secondly, have you ever seen Stranger Than Fiction? Because seriously, the set up is entirely about this theory.
Thirdly, summer camp theater instructor. Enough said.
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