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The whole downloading music thing...
a pack of wolves:
--- Quote from: mberan42 on 19 Oct 2007, 09:47 ---I'd love to hear your argument for that, because in my mind I cannot fathom what the world would be like without intellectual property rights.
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Well, this probably isn't quite the right thread to go into too much detail (or indeed the right forum). But in brief, intellectual property is a means by which wealthy individuals and organisations maintain their wealth at the expense of the rest of us. Personally I think this, and the general economic system it's a part of, are a poor way of running the world. A mix of anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism would, in my view, be a lot better.
--- Quote ---Anyone who thinks intellectual property laws should be eliminated obviously doesn't make their living with their intellectual property. If people couldn't make money off their intellectual property, be it music, inventions, art, etc, then there'd be very little incentive to do so and we'd be going down that wonderful (in spirit) road of Communism, which if you hadn't noticed royally sucks ass in practice.
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I know quite a few people who make their money from their intellectual property but nonetheless would like to see it done away with. I used to work in the banking sector, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have been happy to do away with banks even if they were temporarily providing my income. And if you make things because of the monetary reward then what you make will no doubt be very shoddy. I'd much rather have the music of people who do it for the love of it and might possibly make money as a side-effect of that.
Joseph:
--- Quote from: supersheep on 19 Oct 2007, 14:07 ---Here's a quick question: Has anyone been prosecuted for filesharing anywhere in the world? I've heard of lots of civil actions, but no prosecutions.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071004.wdownloading1004/BNStory/Technology/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20071004.wdownloading1004
supersheep:
That's a civil case, once again. I'm wondering if there have been any criminal cases. I highly doubt it.
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: a pack of wolves on 19 Oct 2007, 14:35 ---Well, this probably isn't quite the right thread to go into too much detail (or indeed the right forum). But in brief, intellectual property is a means by which wealthy individuals and organisations maintain their wealth at the expense of the rest of us. Personally I think this, and the general economic system it's a part of, are a poor way of running the world. A mix of anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism would, in my view, be a lot better.
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Pssht. Market Anarchism and crypto-anarchism are the way forward I say!
But then again, as far as I see it, if there was a genuinely anarchic society, then the various strands of anarchism could easily exist together.
Then again, wrong forum.
CryoSilver:
I'm kind of new here, but I'll throw in my 2 cents. A lot of the music I listen to just isn't available in stores without special ordering it. I listen to a lot of death and black metal, and stores just don't sell much of that. The Heavy Metal section of my local FYE is about 20 feet long, and is populated by mostly pop metal garbage (Linkin Park, etc).
So I download much of my music, essentially at random to see what I like. If I really like what I hear, I'll go out and buy a CD (or vinyl, if I can find it, but that's not so easy) for the better sound quality, even if I have to special order it, or get it secondhand. I buy for two reasons: 128kbps sounds like crap much above a quarter maximum volume, and because if I have the money (which I usually do) and don't pay for what I've gotten, I am depriving someone of what they've worked to create.
Downloading music and never compensating the artist IS stealing based on the definition of "to appropriate without right or acknowledgement." If a local artist says "go ahead and share my music with your friends, he has given you the right to appropriate and share his music, but otherwise, copyright law says that he (or maybe his record company) has the sole right to distribute and reproduce his music. An mp3 is a real, physical thing: it is a series of magnetic impulses that encode the music in question. If you copy that mp3, you are infringing on copyright law.
I care a lot about copyright because I'm a writer, and it would annoy the heck out of me if I wrote a popular book, only to sell about a dozen copies of it because everyone else just got a photocopy, or PDF. What would be my motivation to continue to write, an activity that takes up a lot of time and effort, if I could not expect to be compensated for it because some jackhole said "It isn't like I'm STEALING from this guy, I'm just not paying him for using something he created!"?
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