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The whole downloading music thing...
Johnny C:
--- Quote from: schimmy on 20 Oct 2007, 11:38 ---You think that artists lose money through downloads, while I think they don't. I guess we should leave it at that.
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It's not even a matter of think!
Trent Reznor encourages fans to download his music! Radiohead gives away their album for free! It's 2007!
Seriously. I've opened for at least one touring band a month since about June and none of them have any problem with downloading. It brings people out to your shows, and that's where any artist will make the most money. Record sales? Record sales count for shit. After getting the CD recorded and mastered, most bands just want to make that money back. They're working to get back to square one. In probably ninety percent of cases a record is an advertisement for a live set.
If you want to talk about record labels, CDs and theft then the best thing to do is find out how much a major label expects in return from its signees. I bet you'll be surprised.
Besides that, I totally missed the memo when us artists were supposed to become greedy and secretive with our work. Personally when I make a song I want to share it with as many people as I can, not talk about how it's mine, all mine. It's one thing if someone tries to make money by passing my exact work off as their own but it's another thing if someone just wants to have it. Maybe they wouldn't have bought it in the first place. Maybe now that they've downloaded it they will.
To illustrate my last point, here's a list of artists whose LPs I am looking at RIGHT THIS SECOND that I wouldn't have bought if I hadn't heard it based on duplication and downloading first.
Ladyhawk
Ted Leo
Final Fantasy
Sleater-Kinney
Caribou
Slint
Shellac
Young Galaxy
Fugazi
It adds to sales. Maybe it doesn't in every single case but it does in enough that make it a good thing.
CryoSilver:
--- Quote from: schimmy on 20 Oct 2007, 11:38 ---Record labels are superfluous to the art. They have no right to or reason to be making money off of the artists they exploit. And trust me, the artists are being exploited. There's an article written by Steve Albini that I'm looking for that illustrates my point perfectly, but at the moment I can't find it. I'm fairly sure a link's been posted fairly recently on this forum, if anyone can find it, that'd be great.
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They (the artists) have the option not to sign: no one is forcing them to take a contract.
--- Quote ---Admittedly, it might be off the point, but if you so object to copyright infringement, then surely you could have at least voiced your concerns and/or asked to not watch it?
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The last time I watched a movie in school I was about 13 and didn't care.
--- Quote ---But what if someone can improve the recipe for a loaf of bread, or find some way to duplicate that bread for free, so as to feed those in the world with no food. Should they be stopped?
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They should ask first.
--- Quote ---They wouldn't be painting your car pink, though. You would still have your car. They would merely have created a pink version of it. And what if their modification makes the car more environmentally friendly, for example. Should a person be stopped from modifying the designs that your car is based off of, and thereby benefiting everyone, just because you want protection from people doing a better job than you could in designing the car, because the designs are your IP.
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Same thing: they should ask first.
a pack of wolves:
Why should they ask? The only decent response would be "yes" and anything else should be ignored, so the answer ought to have no bearing on the course of action taken. To act as if I needed permission from someone to use something which has entered into the public domain (whether legally or illegally) is an unnecessary infringement on liberty since no-one will be harmed by my doing so.
I have a feeling the Albini essay mentioned before may well be this one: http://www.negativland.com/albini.html
There are quite a few other essays on the Negativland site relavent to this discussion actually: http://www.negativland.com/intprop.html
Johnny C:
--- Quote from: CryoSilver on 20 Oct 2007, 17:50 ---They (the artists) have the option not to sign: no one is forcing them to take a contract.
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Plenty don't and are perfectly fine with their music being downloaded.
The last time I heard any performer say "don't download my stuff" was Will Smith in his song "Switch":
But don't download / Go out and buy the rekkid.
CryoSilver:
--- Quote from: a pack of wolves on 20 Oct 2007, 18:48 ---Why should they ask? The only decent response would be "yes" and anything else should be ignored, so the answer ought to have no bearing on the course of action taken. To act as if I needed permission from someone to use something which has entered into the public domain (whether legally or illegally) is an unnecessary infringement on liberty since no-one will be harmed by my doing so.
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No one harmed except the person whose idea you have appropriated, because he is no longer the sole supplier of the product of that idea.
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