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plans for the inevitable undead uprising
0bsessions:
Dude, nothing short of a fucking grenade has the stopping power to kill a zombie unless you get off a headshot. As long as you're passably capable of getting off said headshot, anything you can sqeueze off a round into their skull with without endangering yourself further is enough.
I repeat, once more, your primary goal in the event of a zombie outbreak should be escape and subsequent survival, not playing at being John fucking Spartan. Outrun, outsmart, outlive.
Alex C:
It's so much easier to teach someone to consistently target a smallish area with a longarm than a sidearm that it borders upon the mind-boggling. Pistols are genuinely terrible weapons compared to other firearms.
Boro_Bandito:
See Hat, this is the part where everyone fucks up. Handguns have all the stopping power in the world you need as long as you aim for the head. You shoot these things in the body and they'd laugh at you if they still had it in them. You aim for the brain, which even for a zombie is the battery of it more or less.
Me and Jon after four of five of these chats for like an hour on gabbly still disagree on several points, but I think he's far more equipped to sruvive than anyone else on here (besides me and my rationale of course). But I still think his plan is doomed to failure. I've explained before that the entire point of my survival plan is to never stop moving, never settle down and "hole up". The moment you commit yourself to one spot and start building up defenses there you're stuck, that's it, goodbye. Give the zombies a chance to build up on you and they will, and then you'll be in a tower under seige. Doesn't matter if there's gas and supplies within a mile of your location if for 200 yards in every direction around you is a solid mass of the undead. Unless you've got tunneling skills or areadily accessible sewer system to get between these points you're still royally fucked. Not to mention that in order to not compromise the entire system you've got to be able to barricade all other places you're hoping to access, because even though zombies aren't the best at sneaking up, it'd be great if while you were at the local home improvement store and they pile up around the doors while you're doing your shopping you're caught away from your main stash of food and water and there's nothing you can do about it.
I do agree with him that a motorcycle would be the perfect way to escape from a major population center. Maneuverable and light, can get through places where cars can't and in many cases where they've tried. But it won't last forever. If you've got a place you're headed for, they'll work, but in my opinion the idea of a permanent locale is just downright stupid anyway, so once you've gotten out you need to find yourself heavier transport. The drawbacks to a motorcycle are the fact that you can't stock up on any significant amount of supplies, so you're forced to stick close to places where you can raid for food and water on a regular basis. Motorcycles and traveling on foot offer absolutely zero protection and armor, and no security when you get tired and need rest, you're like a naked baby plopped out in the middle of the woods when the wolves begin to howl at that point. And suppose this location you're already set for turns out to be a bust? Either the store itself is packed with zombies or someone else has beaten you to the punch and won't let you in, or you don't want to be let in on their rules and forced to try and survive with them when you'd be better off on your own (which you would). Or worse yet these locations are already looted out. Given the last isn't likely since you're counting on an early bird gets the worm scenario anyway. The motorcycle would no longer be a viable option given any of these factors however.
With a properly outfitted heavy vehicle you don't need luck, you have strength. True, gas mileage on a beast like I'm thinking would be horrible, but I would be carrying extra fuel wherever I went as part of the cargo of food, supplies and now possibly an extra lightweight vehicle, like a motorcycle or a dirtbike in case I really did have to abandon ship. Entrance to the vehicle would be restricted to top access only, with ladders on the side of the vehicle (since zombies can't climb ladders) to allow access to the top.This would be dangerous if I needed to get into the vehicle fast, but unlikely since I'll be in low population areas anyway. Windows removed and replaced by heavy wood and sheet metal, plexiglass on the front to allow heavier strength and maintain vision. A constucted plowlike wedge on the front of the vehicle to prevent buildup and blockage in the event of zombie pile-up and possibly to break through otherwise impossible obstacles. and finally solid-rubber wheels, to hold the extra weight and prevent any blowouts from happening ever. Of course, admittedly it'd take quite a bit to get a vehicle like this built up and properly maintained, and that would be the biggest flaw in my plan. I'd have to find a place where I could get the right kind of vehicle and have somewhere to hole up with the tools and supplies in order to properly outfit it. But this is my best-case scenario plan, and even if it takes a long time for me to procure one of these I'm still planning on heading south and west, to open country, to allow for all the escape routes I could ever want, the open freedom, and a nomadic lifestyle to stay forever one-step ahead of the zombies.
0bsessions:
Once again, you don't want to be consistantly shooting to begin with. Thinking in a survivalist mentality, guns should, without exception, be an absolute last resort. If you're far enough away from them that you need anything but a pistol to get off a headshot, you should not be engaging them at all.
I've used a gun once in my life and that was a .357. Relatively unweildy even as handguns go and my hands are far from steady. I was still able to shoot a bottle from at least thirty or forty feet. If they're any further away than that, there is absolutely no reason to engage them, you should be soldiering on.
Also of note: I'm talking primarily your standard ZSG style zombie. If you want to debate 28 Days Later style zombies, well...my entire plan for that would be to run to the roof of my building and jump the fuck off. That's a doomsday scenario that would essentially either render us extinct inside two years or leave the human race so decimated and spread out there'd be almost no hope of ever repopulating. The only reason they survived in the first movie is because it was on an island and even that ending was a bit implausible. Had a dozen or so of those fuckers raided the place, it would've gone exactly like the opening to the sequel.
Boro_Bandito:
Jon's right, you don't want to be looking at guns at all as a primary weapon. They're good for picking off single targets when alone and from a small distance, or once you're holed up for keeping buildup from happening around your territory.
Myself I would probably love to have a rifle with a scope should I be able to fit it into my vehicle for hunting (still living animals), to keep from relying too much on raiding and be able to keep it down to once every two weeks so I don't have to be near cities very often. Dried or salted meat can be kept for months, and as long as I find the occasional fuit grove or plant somewhere I can keep malnutrition and scurvy away.
Speaking of, since your plan is to hold down somewhere I do have the tip Jon that once you are there try and systematically wipe out what native zombie population is in your area, and once you've downed them to separate their heads with your axe and create a mass grave somewhere a couple miles away from where you're actually holed up. The less smell there is of rotting meat about the fewer zombies attracted to the area anyway I'd think. And the separating head from body I think is just a good overall safety precaution anyway, even if the head somehow remains alive its gonna have a much harder time biting you.
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