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pistachio_love:
Ah yes. Moshing. The method of dance that requires litte (to no) skill or coordination.

In my experience, it generally ends badly for the flimsy little girls that insist on being right in the dead (pardon the irony) centre of a mosh pit; they usually end up being trampled/stomped/crushed, then end up being whisked off to hospital wrapped in foil to keep them from dying of shock-induced hypothermia. But hey, it makes for a (and I quote), "wikkid myspace story!"... *shakes head with distaste*

Call me boring, but I'd much rather see live bands in open spaces, e.g. The Whitlams concert - there were awesome vintage (70s) couches for dancing a-top! ^^

Muchos funs.

Ballard:
Outdoor shows can be fantastic or shit.

The LCD Soundsystem/Arcade Fire/Blonde Redhead/Les Savy Fav show was outside at Randall's Island. It was fucking epic. Les Savy Fav went first while it was light out and rocked the fuck out. Blonde Redhead played at dusk and their weird lighting effects mixed with the sunset were gorgeous. LCD Soundsystem played just as it got dark, and the disco ball and lights played on the night sky, leaving me mesmerized for an hour and a half. And the Arcade Fire slayed, in the pitch black night with loads of screens and weird effects.

On the other hand, Television outside was boring as hell. It's nice that I got to see them live (not many people from my generation have) but that show was like a sleepy, extended jam on the grass in the sunlight. Bad environment for that band.

Chad K.:
In my teens and early twenties I played in a metal band.  I started out liking moshing and saw it as a way to appreciate the band's music, but we were continually stopping shows to deal with somebody who was hurt badly- broken noses, split foreheads, nasty stuff.  The more metal and hardcore shows I went to the more I realized that, for a large number of people, the band is almost tangential to the experience and they are just there to hurt somebody. 

I started playing with an indie-rock band in my mid-20's.  At first, it was hard getting used to an audience staring at us, but I really came to enjoy it because I knew they were listening and all that hard work meant something.  Now I play in a jazz/rock thing and I get dissapointed if people aren't paying attention.

I think that's the ultimate difference, moshing tends to negate the music in favor of a semi-controlled riot, which is something I have no desire to be a part of.  I go to shows to see bands.

a pack of wolves:
All of these examples of moshing being a negative thing seem to stem from chumps who have no idea how to act in the pit. I've been going to hardcore gigs for years and I've never seen a broken bone or anyone getting taken to hospital. Bust lips, bruises and scrapes sure but nothing nasty. Moshing has never negated the music for me and it's nothing like a semi-controlled riot. It's dancing.

Chad K.:

--- Quote from: a pack of wolves on 27 Nov 2007, 09:38 ---Moshing has never negated the music for me and it's nothing like a semi-controlled riot. It's dancing.

--- End quote ---

I suppose the Karate Kid stuff and older "Picking Up Change" stuff might be dancing.  That wasn't really coming into vogue in the area of the midwest I grew up in until after I was starting to get out of hardcore music.  It was more just flailing arms back and forth and colliding with people, which can get scary.

With regard to the Karate style moves, I personally think its distracting.  But then again, people go to see swing, ska and jazz bands to dance, not to gawk at the musicians, so maybe it has its place at a show as a valid of form of appreciating the music.  It just never did anything for me.  That said, your point is well taken.

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