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Ballard:
I have a previous generation video iPod and my mom has the new iPod Classic. They're about the same, save for the silver color and thinner body. Screen's the same, artwork is displayed in a really nice way (in a collage on the main screen next to the list of sources. you can also scroll through your artwork to pick an album like you've been able to in the last few versions of iTunes). The firmware's the same save for the collage thing and some kickass new games included.

Basically I'd say go with a 160 GB iPod.

MusicScribbles:
This new 160 GB iPod idea has me drooling. I hate having a Mac that is too old to use Tiger. I need a new Mac.

Statik:

--- Quote from: yossarian07 on 15 Dec 2007, 22:46 ---but if you buy music from the store you're basically paying for songs but never actually owning them, therefore letting Apple screw you over completely.

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(Note: I have not kept super current on pay to D/L services and DRM since I stopped having to know anything about it 2 years ago, so feel free to correct me if I get something wrong)
This statement, IMO, is a common misconception of DRM.  While we could have an entire discussion about how DRM can hinder legal users of downloaded files (and Steve Jobs himself has even criticized DRM, saying it hinders legal users and does nothing against illegal users, hackers break DRM easily, CDs without DRM worked fine, and the only reason iTunes HAS DRM is because the "big 4" record labels essentially forced them to in order to do business with apple, which EMI has stopped requiring, btw) ANYWAY, back on track, DRM can hinder a legal user, but for the most part, for a standard user, its not particularly noticeable (at least with iTunes songs)  with other services, they had ridiculous 3 burn limits and 2 computer limits and shit like that, iTunes does limit the number of simultaneous computers able to play it (with account information and all that) and you can transfer your licenses to other computers as you upgrade and such.  I think DRM is shit, for many of the same reasons Jobs does, but thats besides the point.  You DO own the files (and thereby that copy of the song), but they are attempting to put restrictions in order to keep you from sharing the file, just as there are laws saying you are allowed to make personal use copies, but not distribute copies of CDs you purchase at a store, DRM is in place to attempt to "digitally" enforce said laws. 

In conclusion, yes it feels like you dont "own" the file, but you do (and besides, there are easy ways around the DRM, if you are so inclined to get around it)

Sidonis:

--- Quote from: Spinless on 01 Dec 2007, 18:47 ---For every 1000 iPods sold, maybe 100 will break. Sometimes, the fault of the user.
For every 1000 creative zens sold, I reckon about 700 of these won't work straight out of the box.

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Thank you for basing this post on reliable information!

Seriously, though, I love my Zen to death.  More functional, less expensive, and all-around better than the iPod.  And OP, you do have to do some funky things with naming files -- I've taken to including track numbers in the song titles to make sure it does what it's supposed to do.

Luke C:
Can someone seriously recommend a non-ipod mp3 player.

I don't like ipod's because I don't like the wheel thing. Dont tell me about it's benefits, I know them already.

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