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Poll: Do you see Marten and Dora's relationship lasting?
Clobbersaurus:
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Edit: Department of Gender Studies: I think we have to ultimately admit men and women don't think and feel alike. I've always been all for equality, but sometimes Truth trumps our most fervent wishes. Just another case in point:
Male: "Dora just bitched about Marten having girlfriends ten years ago on the other side of the fucking continent. Insecurity is one thing, this is fucking possession."
Female: "u've got to admit, it would be really awkward for a minute after hearing that your boyfriend still has some feelings for a girl he dated before. Who wants their boyfriend to be thinking about past loves? It's not something to fight over, but it IS something that might give a girl a sad feeling in her heart for a few seconds."
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I wouldn't have made my post and case if the men in the relationships I know of broke up with their girlfriends when their girlfriends had insecurities. The guy in the relationship understands the insecurity, and most of them try to help the girl get over it. I've seen it cause small fights, but all relationships have small fights. It's normal. My post wasn't just about how the female feels about it - if the guy left the girl for being insecure at times, then I wouldn't have any case at all. Besides, the guys I know get insecure at times, too. That kind of breaks the whole male/female perspective thing. Looking in, one might think, "OH MY GOD insecurities they're going to break up," but in a real-life relationship, it just doesn't usually work like that, unless the insecurities are getting out of hand.
Still, a story and real-life are two different things. If Jeph allows them to have short fights and small insecurities, and yet doesn't make them break up over it, it's pretty realistic. If they do break up, then there are 3 possibilities: they're not realistic characters, they're not very good at holding relationships together and compromising, or maybe Dora will have gotten worse by that time. Dora's instances don't seem out-of-hand to me, they seem pretty normal for that stage of relationship.
Like I said, I'm going off of relationships I see around me, including my own. (Well, I'm long distance, so I guess I have a better reason to be temporarily insecure. I won't be much at all once I move in with him in a few months, but that's an entirely different story.) EVERYONE fights a little bit. It's totally natural. If they were married, it would be a little odd for Dora to be acting like this - but they're not married, they're in the "I like you - I love you - I want to be with you" sort of stage. Fighting and insecurities are COMMON in relationships like that. I've seen this in practically every long-term successful relationship around me - people have insecurities and people fight. It's NATURAL.
If Dora gets worse or more often, that might pose a problem. But I've only seen a few instances every so often, and in real life, that's kind of normal.
I hope I'm getting my point across well. Geh. Sorry, people. Maybe I'm just ranting and not making much sense. I hope I am.
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you make total sense.
a couple that doesn't have little arguments and fights over insecurities is a couple doomed to fail. part of developing trust is allowing yourself to be vulnerable and allowing your partner to be vulnerable. without doing that, how would anyone know what their partner's limits are? how would anyone be able to HELP their partner strengthen without knowing about where they squeak and crack?
of course, marten and dora's conflict was waaaayyyyy too perfect. i wish all my arguments could fit in 4-5 panels :laugh:
Rocketman:
--- Quote from: DrizztLink on 08 Feb 2008, 16:56 ---nobody remembers Spider-man's identity anymore.
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I'm really wondering about Venom in that case. "Huh, I was bonded to someone for a year...it was how I got to Earth in the first place....damn, who was it?"
raoullefere:
Rocketman, you're assuming they're, like, thinking at Marble. That nonproductive behavior hasn't gone on since Jim Shooter left. Why're you and I reading QC and not drooling over our latest copy of Whoever that is, The Amazing Spiderman. Cuz Jeph does think.
In fact, I'm pretty sure he often thinks, "Man, these people in the forums need lives. I mean, lookit this whacko who's counting character appearance."
Doug S. Machina:
--- Quote from: raoullefere on 09 Feb 2008, 00:31 ---Rocketman, you're assuming they're, like, thinking at Marble. That nonproductive behavior hasn't gone on since Jim Shooter left. Why're you and I reading QC and not drooling over our latest copy of Whoever that is, The Amazing Spiderman. Cuz Jeph does think.
In fact, I'm pretty sure he often thinks, "Man, these people in the forums need lives. I mean, lookit this whacko who's counting character appearance."
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"And the one writing a metatextual crisis for a character who was only in eight strips? Why do we let these people in?"
Apple Pie:
--- Quote from: Doug S. Machina on 09 Feb 2008, 16:02 ---
--- Quote from: raoullefere on 09 Feb 2008, 00:31 ---Rocketman, you're assuming they're, like, thinking at Marble. That nonproductive behavior hasn't gone on since Jim Shooter left. Why're you and I reading QC and not drooling over our latest copy of Whoever that is, The Amazing Spiderman. Cuz Jeph does think.
In fact, I'm pretty sure he often thinks, "Man, these people in the forums need lives. I mean, lookit this whacko who's counting character appearance."
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"And the one writing a metatextual crisis for a character who was only in eight strips? Why do we let these people in?"
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I'm sure Jeph, like the rest of us, realises that the best kind of love is that obsessive, compulsive stalkerish love that only QC readers know so well. Well...QC lovers and stalkers. But let's stick with the QC lovers for now.
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