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a pack of wolves:

--- Quote from: yelley on 04 Jan 2008, 07:41 ---
--- Quote from: mooface on 03 Jan 2008, 22:33 ---going to live in another country is a great experience, but it won't solve anything.  you may leave behind a hundred things you hate about the city you came from, but you will just find a hundred new things to hate about the new city you live in.

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this is true. no matter where you go, there are going to be things that you won't like about where you live. at least experience some other places in your own country before you decide that it's all junk and go to a different one.

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I don't think this is necessarily true at all, some places are more suited to a person than others. There are innumerable problems with the UK in general (only a handful of which have been listed in this thread) and a ton of extra ones a little more specific to the city I live in (gentrification, high burglary rate, incredibly useless city council) but still, I love this place. There are other cities and they all have their good and bad points but Leeds is one very suited to me and my interests, probably more so than any other place in the UK with the possible exception of Glasgow.

I also think it isn't terribly helpful to keep assuming that the poster of this thread is completely ignorant of the rest of the US aside from the place they live in (particularly since they've said they aren't). Also, they aren't saying they're going to blindly run off the UK and land themselves in all kinds of disappointment because it doesn't solve their woes. All they said was that they were thinking of moving here, and based on the comments they've made it sounds like this is a long term plan they're considering. Good for them I say, the UK might not be the best place in the world but I admire the kind of person who's willing to up sticks and go and find out what living in a whole different country is like.

Sorry about the quote tunnel, but I rather wanted to respond to both those posts.

jhocking:

--- Quote from: a pack of wolves on 04 Jan 2008, 08:56 ---I also think it isn't terribly helpful to keep assuming that the poster of this thread is completely ignorant of the rest of the US aside from the place they live in (particularly since they've said they aren't).

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I do think that is a helpful assumption for many people to make. If that assumption is wrong then whatever, there's plenty of useful information being posted regardless and the person will just ignore the rest of the stuff. If that IS the case however, then the cautionary posts are an important dose of reality for the person to hear.

In other words, I see either a net gain or no net effect, but no net loss.

yelley:
i agree with you (a pack of wolves), some places are more suited to a person than others... the point that i (and i think moo and caiphana) are trying to make is that maybe the OP should try and find one of those places in the US before he (she?) moves to the UK or any other country for that matter.

honestly, i don't know a lot about treefingers. how old this person is, what sort of education/jobs this person already has, anything at all except the limited information i got from a couple posts in this thread. so while it may not be a helpful assumption, it leads me to think that the decision to move to the UK is ill-informed and probably not something that should be considered at this stage in life. true, the OP says that he is not ignorant of other cities in the US, but there is a big difference between liking a city and liking living there. i like chicago, i don't want to live there. it sounds like the OP is a disillusioned 20something that wants to escape the boredom of midwestern US life by moving to a new country... a good idea in theory, but in reality maybe not. this discussion shouldn't be about the binge drinking/bad weather/crime whatever issues in the UK or whether or not the UK is a good place to live... it should be about whether this kind of move would actually solve anything for the OP. i think it wouldn't... moving to a new country at an age/experience level where you can't get a good job (or any at all, maybe) and may not be able to afford anything isn't going to solve your problems. it might make your life more exciting, but exciting doesn't necessarily mean good.

the moral of the story is... moving to a new country is awesome and exciting, but i wouldn't do it unless i knew i could make at least the same quality of life for myself there. it sounds to me like that's not possible for the OP right now, so i think it's a bad idea.

yaaaaaaaaaay.

jhocking:
Of course, yelley is a biased point of view here. After all, we're talking about a person who would never ever ever in a billion years live in a different country.

yelley:
moving to japan solved a lot of my problems. my skin got better, my lungs got better, i lost a lot of weight, my japanese got better, that bit of anger that i feel everyday towards religious people that feel they need to pray for my damned soul was completely gone, and i learned a lot about myself in the process. it really was the best thing that i've done for myself.

that being said, i also was lonely every day, i missed a ton of things about america, and i was living in a country where i would always be considered an outsider. i moved over there with a set job and a set place to live and people to help me out with anything that i'd ever need. it was an easy move.

my plan is to move back someday. once i know that i can get a job and find a place to live on my own over there. my irrational side tells me to save the money and go now. such a bad idea.

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