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FUCKING TEST MATCH INDIA VS AUSTRALIA!!!!
Caspian:
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--- Quote from: Caspian on 06 Jan 2008, 03:11 ---The Australian Cricket Team is a ruthless unit, but they are not alone in their appealing for dodgy decisions.
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You mean "everybody else is doing it"? That doesn't really make it right. I stand by my assertion that Australia should set an example of sportsmanship to the rest of the world, just as they've set an example in every other facet of the game. In fact it's pretty much the only area they've got left to improve in.
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While I agree with you that it doesn't make it right, I'm saying that attacking them because of it is a bit unfair. Your original rant leaves me the impression that you think Australia is worse then the rest of the world, which doesn't really fly imo.
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--- Quote ---because the Australians simply do not deserve to win.
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False. Well, kinda.
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Well yeah, okay, I was jumping the gun a bit there. It's too early to say if Australia deserves to win the series when we're only half way through the four tests. However nothing anybody could say could possibly convince me that at this stage, Australia deserves to be 2-0 up and to have already retained the Border-Gavuskar trophy (why every single minor sporting contest on the planet has to be a competition for a trophy these days is another irksome issue, but I won't get into that here . . .).
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Again, I find myself agreeing with you regarding the trophy renaming thing. I personally think Australia deserves to be 1-0 up (but I'll be more then happy to take the other win as well.) I'm a big fan of the indian cricket team (indeed, every team except the South Africans seem like a pretty coll bunch of dudes). However, it seems to be pretty clear that Australia is easily the best team, and thus deserves to win.
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--- Quote ---just because Australia are so damn good doesn't mean you should hate them. (You may deny this, I think it's one of the main reasons why so many people dislike them).
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I don't hate them because they're so damn good. I do think it's incredibly dull: thrashings are fun every now and then but sport needs genuine competition in order to be interesting. I don't hate the Australian cricket team for their success, but I do hate them for their attitude and approach to the game: bullying, fibbing, and haranguing their way to victory and yet complaining bitterly when any other team should dare to employ similar tactics against them. The Australian cricket team gives off a strong impression of being petulant and spoiled, and I find it to be incredibly distasteful, extremely disappointing, and deeply embarrassing.
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This is what I was talking about originally! The Australians aren't the only team that bully, fib and intimidate their opponents. Remember Sreeranth in India? Or, (not quite sure what it comes under) the English throwing jellybeans on the pitch against India? I'll admit that the Australian team needs a better image. But to hate them is pretty hypocritical, considering that every team does it to a pretty similiar extent. (Unless if you hate every other cricket team as well.) I don't remember the Australians complaining too much.. or at all.. about Sreeranth crossing the line in india. The whole 'monkey chants' thing may be an issue, but from what I understand the media brought that up, not Symonds himself. The Australians don't complain, because complaining would be a weakness, and the Australian Cricket Team has no time for that.
Caspian:
Maybe, we can just agree that the Australian Cricket Team is a cold, ruthless bunch of very talented professionals? for me that's a good thing, for you, not such a good thing, and I think that sums up both of our arguments quite well. :mrgreen:
öde:
That was the most pointless/worst double post.
Caspian:
--- Quote from: öde on 06 Jan 2008, 05:23 ---That was the most pointless/worst double post.
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It wasn't a double post. I am just trying to prevent an epic quote argument, as it was hard enough to get the formatting right for that one.
SO MANY QUOTES IN SQUARE BRACKETS.
SO.
MANY.
Inlander:
--- Quote from: Caspian on 06 Jan 2008, 05:14 ---The Australians don't complain, because complaining would be a weakness, and the Australian Cricket Team has no time for that.
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I seem to recall Ricky Ponting having a whinge of pretty epic proportions when he was run out by a substitute fielder in the Ashes series in England.
I didn't hate the Australian team until this test, when it became apparent to me just how low they've sunk. When Steve Waugh was captain they also were also utterly ruthless, but at least they seemed to be ruthless with a bit of class, if that's possible. Now they just seem like a bunch of spoiled brats with a born-to-win mentality. You're probably right, other teams are probably no better, but to be honest I don't follow cricket that closely: I watch it every Australian summer, when it's being played in Australia, and the rest of the time I forget about it. Plus, the problem is that the Australian team doesn't need to behave so badly in order to wipe the floor with every other team in the world nine times out of ten: it seems that they choose to win nasty when winning nice would be just as easy for them, and I think that's pretty poor form.
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