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Burundanga: Colombian Devil's Breath
Ballard:
--- Quote from: dennis on 08 Jan 2008, 02:50 ---The datura and its active components are pretty well-documented in the medical literature and atropine and scopolamine are widely-used. I think the documentary is basically blowing up a couple of sensationalist stories.
I mean, scopolamine is what they put in motion-sickness patches.
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Yes, there are medical uses for scopolamine that have been heavily documented. It's not a crazy mystery drug. The scary thing here is that it is freely available in a country that is responsible for the production of over three fourths of the world's coke. It grows on the streets.
Furthermore, I'm sure what they put in the motion-sickness patches (as well as sleep-aids and asthma medicine until the FDA forced medicines known to be ineffective off the market) is a drastically weakened form of the drug. Even then, the dose of it in a patch is something like .33 milligrams. An ounce of the drug in the form showed in the documentary is about 29,000 milligrams.
--- Quote from: wikipedia ---In the United States it is called Jimson weed, Gypsum weed, Angel Trumpet, Hells Bells or more rarely Jamestown Weed; it got this name from the town of Jamestown, Virginia, where British soldiers were secretly or accidentally drugged with it, while attempting to suppress Bacon's Rebellion. They spent several days chasing feathers, making monkey faces, generally acting like lunatics, and indeed failed at their mission
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It sounds to me like the soldiers ate of the fruit, or were given it. The effects of that are a days to weeks long trip. To the best of my knowledge, scopolamine only causes minor hallucination.
Fuck you Tommy. :-D
onewheelwizzard:
I knew that ingesting datura (jimsonweed) had extensive and unpleasant results ... blurry vision, hallucinations (of very unpleasant things), delirium, terrible dehydration, tripping for a week etc. ... but I didn't know you could extract a fucking mind control drug from it. That is some fucked up shit.
Basically all the stories I've heard about datura are along the lines of "I was completely delirious, tripping balls but in a really really really bad way, for half a day, I got dehydrated as all hell, and my eyes didn't clear up for a week" ... and those tend to come from people who took the stuff out of curiosity (and did corresponding research into what a reasonable dosage would be). I've heard about some pretty crazy hallucinations, too ... one report I read was from a guy who took the stuff while camping with buddies and at one point jumped up, grabbed the camp machete, and ran into the woods and fought orcs for 3 hours. He said he was being chased by something the whole time. Creepy shit. Up until now, though, I've never heard of people extracting any specific chemical from the plant. It's pretty goddamn terrifying to realize that there's actually a chemical in the world that allows you to make a person do what you want, willingly, no matter what. I hope I never see it in my life.
redglasscurls:
I know people who've attempted to trip on Jimson weed as well, most of them just ended up vomiting loads, feeling completely horrid, and getting their stomachs pumped. Never seemed really worth it, y'know?
onewheelwizzard:
I checked Erowid and the first report I read summed it up really well. It's a hell of a read and it'll definitely convince you never to do something as stupid as trip on datura.
http://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=17700
supersheep:
Man, if it's a drug that even Erowid tells you not to do, I'm out.
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