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Ballard:
Oh my god Phil.

dennis:

--- Quote from: Ballard on 08 Jan 2008, 07:14 ---
--- Quote from: dennis on 08 Jan 2008, 02:50 ---The datura and its active components are pretty well-documented in the medical literature and atropine and scopolamine are widely-used. I think the documentary is basically blowing up a couple of sensationalist stories.

I mean, scopolamine is what they put in motion-sickness patches.

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Yes, there are medical uses for scopolamine that have been heavily documented. It's not a crazy mystery drug. The scary thing here is that it is freely available in a country that is responsible for the production of over three fourths of the world's coke. It grows on the streets.
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Why is that scary?

What is supposed to be scary in that VBS piece is that it's supposed to make people into easily manipulated zombies, with the further danger of easy overdose.

However, I am skeptical of the claims made in the VBS piece because: 1) There is no corroboration of the zombie thing that I can find via Google; 2) Everything I do find on scopolamine states that high doses make people unconscious and amnesic, not zombies; 3) if it were as effective as it's made out to be in the video, its use would be widespread--but for some reason, reports are limited to Colombia; 4) Reports of recreational datura use on sites like Erowid don't mention anything like the claims made in the video; 5) it's Vice. They're sensational.


--- Quote ---Furthermore, I'm sure what they put in the motion-sickness patches (as well as sleep-aids and asthma medicine until the FDA forced medicines known to be ineffective off the market) is a drastically weakened form of the drug. Even then, the dose of it in a patch is something like .33 milligrams. An ounce of the drug in the form showed in the documentary is about 29,000 milligrams.
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It's not "drastically weakened". It's the same chemical, the dose is just smaller. My point was that the effects of scopolamine are well-documented, and those documents really do not reflect the claims made in the video.

Dimmukane:
It's also supposedly the one drug Jim Morrison couldn't handle. 

There are ridiculous amounts of stories on erowid, none of them good.  One guy almost put his niece in the freezer because he thought she was ice cream (an infant), all of them were talking to (supposedly) dead people, smoking cigarettes even though they didn't have a pack and had been non-smokers their entire lives.  I'm talking about Datura, not Scopolamine.

Ballard:
I don't know 'bout you but I make baby ice cream all the time.

OMNOMNOMNOM

Scandanavian War Machine:
i'm glad this thread exists. i was planning on making a thread about stupid drugs, now i don't have to.

i'd like to bring two ridiculous things to your attention. the other day my "friend" asked me this very question: "man...have you ever tried a joint...dipped in jet fuel?" he had a ridiculous name for it but i forgot it. i guess it gets you incredibly high...but that sounds like a bad idea.  (where do you even get jet fuel? espescially if you're a drugged out weirdo.)

also, have you guys heard about "sherm" ? (not sure how to spell it) i guess it's a problem amongst florida teens right now. basically, you piss and shit in a milk jug, put a balloon over the top, put it in a closet or something for a few days until the balloon fills with gas, then inhale said gas.

anyway, those are two of the stupidest things i've heard lately.

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