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Burundanga: Colombian Devil's Breath
dennis:
--- Quote from: onewheelwizzard on 09 Jan 2008, 11:26 ---Erowid just taught me that one of the methods of extracting datura alkaloids results in an oil that you spread on your genitals in order to take a dose. It immediately occurred to me that if you are an enterprising and malicious man in the middle ages, you can very easily convince a woman that you are of demonic origin by doing precisely this immediately prior to having sex with her (or vice versa). The power that could be gained from dosing someone with datura BY HAVING SEX WITH THEM would, at the very least, make for a very good piece of fiction (the movie Brotherhood of the Wolf comes to mind as a reference point).
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I learned in my ancient medical history class that this was how witches got their reputation. They would dose themselves on datura and mandrake by smearing it on a stick and inserting it into the vagina. Due to the hallucinogenic effects, it is not inconceivable that the stick would become a broom that they flew on.
onewheelwizzard:
That makes perfect sense to me and in fact one of the thoughts that has been lurking in my head since I heard about that extraction was that it had almost certainly been used for precisely the purpose I mentioned at some point in history.
No wonder the Middle Ages were so goddamn fucked up. This was the only kind of tripping they knew about.
dennis:
I don't think smoking a joint that was dipped in jet fuel (aka kerosene) would be anything special (assuming you let it dry first!). Jet fuel is pretty pure (it would have to be, in order not to foul up jet engines), and would evaporate completely given enough time to dry. It is highly unlikely to react with anything in the joint, either. Even if some of it remained, it would just combust to carbon dioxide and monoxide.
It would, no doubt, dissolve some of the active compounds in the cannabis, but those would just crystallize out of solution as it dried. Since joints burn hot, the extracted compounds would probably denature in the heat, so it would probably make the joint weaker.
Scandanavian War Machine:
maybe someone just told him it was dipped in jet fuel. he is a herion addict, after all. but he did say he got extremely fucked up but it could have just been laced with something. i dunno.
also, thank you to whoever pointed out it was jenkem and not sherm. i knew sherm was not right and i could not figure it out. it's really been bothering me.
also, on a semi-related note; anyone here have anything bad/good to say about salvia? i get mixed reviews from everyone i know whos done it and i've been thinking about heading down to the smoke shop to get some but would rather not waste my money if it's not worth it (although i hear salvia is pretty fuckin cheap).
onewheelwizzard:
Salvia is worth it if you don't mind not having any fun.
No, seriously, I mean that. Salvia is an extremely powerful experience and therefore has a lot of potential value, but it is certainly not a "fun" experience and it really can't be taken in a "recreational" way. It's just too weird to be enjoyed the same way you would enjoy pretty much any other drug.
I personally had the most intensely negative psychedelic experience of my life the last time I used salvia. It would be impossible to accurately describe it in any kind of close detail ... while I remember it quite clearly there really isn't a vocabulary for what it was like and I'd end up using words that would completely fail to offer a correct picture. But in general, I think it would be right to say that I've never been more uncomfortable in my life, although I don't know if that applies to physical comfort, emotional comfort, or both (which is a weird feeling in and of itself). I can say that while it was exceedingly interesting, there was nothing enjoyable about it at all.
I've known people who have had experiences on salvia of equal intensity that they approved of. One friend of mine told me he had crawled to the border of the universe, looked outside, and crawled back, and he was pretty happy about it overall. But he didn't describe it as "fun." He just said he was glad it happened. Basically, it's a crazy ridiculous trip of unheard-of intensity for about 5-10 minutes and it is completely unlike any kind of drug you have ever experienced. It's completely uncontrollable and you're at its mercy for the short time that you're on it.
It's important to note that the above is only true if you take a big enough dose to give you an out-of-body experience. The last time I took it was the only time it did anything like what I just spent three paragraphs talking about, and that was after 3 previous experiences in which it just gave me giggles and a headache, and some faint closed-eye visuals once. The one time I took a strong dose, though, I was tripping for 5 minutes completely elsewhere, with no connection to my physical body whatsoever. What my friends told me was that it had been 5 minutes between when I started tripping and when I did the first thing I did after coming back (which was get up and walk out of the room as if on autopilot, realize halfway down the hall that I was tripping, and walk back into the room and sit down murmuring things for a little while). I didn't believe them at all, but apparently I was even sitting up and laying back down again at points while I'd been in whatever kind of trance state I was in. It wasn't a blackout because I remember what happened in between, but what happened in between lasted about 30 seconds (to me) and was a completely different state of being.
A smoked salvia experience will really only be noticeable if you smoke it extracted and concentrated. 5X is usually the lowest concentration offered and will probably only send you into something crazy if you really try to smoke a lot of it. I did that with 10X the time it kicked my ass. I've seen it sold at 20X and heard of 40X, although to me that just sounds useless because once you get past a certain point it really does just black you out and give you a REALLY weird wakeup. Go for it if your curiosity is enough ... it was for me and I'm not sorry I went for it. But don't be surprised if it gives you a lot of good reasons to stop there.
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